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** A couple of jokes imply that Marcy's property value is in the tank due to living next to the Bundys. She probably can't sell her property without taking a massive loss. When Steve left, he didn't take the mortgage with him.
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** Peg is physically attractive (since Katey Sagal is) but her dress sense and personality are ''horrific''. It's enough to put him off her regardless of what she looks like.

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** Peg is physically attractive (since Katey Sagal Creator/KateySagal is) but her dress sense and personality are ''horrific''. It's enough to put him off her regardless of what she looks like.

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* On a different Marcy note, what's a {{Straw Feminist}} - one who uses very [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TqrYhK0Ew liberationist rhetoric]] - being a staunch Republican?
** The Republican Party was not nearly so conservative on those issues as it was to become. Most mainstream Republicans supported the Equal Rights Amendment (that failed) for example.
** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with differences more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.
** Republicans tend to be more opposed to pornography, something Marcy is against. Republicans also have many times promised (but not succeeded) to put more stringent restrictions on access to porn, in spite of how this could violate freedom of speech and the First Amendment.
** Marcy is known not to sympathize with poor people such as the Bundys. She even said it herself that she won't help the Bundys because she's a Republican.
** About a plurality to majority of white American women vote Republican, look up the statistics online.
** Marcy started out as a 80s yuppie (young upwardly-mobile professional) who made a contrast to the working-class Bundy family. As the show became more cartoonish, she turned into a caricature of the yuppie, taking every means to look progressive and better than the Bundys, but being more than willing to demean them to make herself seem better.
* Is there a in-universe reason why Marcy didn't just move away from the Bundys? Being a neighbor of that family must be hell, and if Steve could leave them then so could she.
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* On a different Marcy note, what's a {{Straw Feminist}} - one who uses very [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TqrYhK0Ew liberationist rhetoric]] - being a staunch Republican?
** The Republican Party was not nearly so conservative on those issues as it was to become. Most mainstream Republicans supported the Equal Rights Amendment (that failed) for example.
** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with differences more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.
** Republicans tend to be more opposed to pornography, something Marcy is against. Republicans also have many times promised (but not succeeded) to put more stringent restrictions on access to porn, in spite of how this could violate freedom of speech and the First Amendment.
** Marcy is known not to sympathize with poor people such as the Bundys. She even said it herself that she won't help the Bundys because she's a Republican.
** About a plurality to majority of white American women vote Republican, look up the statistics online.

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* On a different Marcy note, what's a {{Straw Feminist}} - one who uses very [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TqrYhK0Ew liberationist rhetoric]] - being a staunch Republican?
** The Republican Party was not nearly so conservative on those issues as it was to become. Most mainstream Republicans supported the Equal Rights Amendment (that failed) for example.
** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with differences more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.
** Republicans tend to be more opposed to pornography, something Marcy is against. Republicans also have many times promised (but not succeeded) to put more stringent restrictions on access to porn, in spite of how this could violate freedom of speech and the First Amendment.
** Marcy is known not to sympathize with poor people such as the Bundys. She even said it herself that she won't help the Bundys because she's a Republican.
** About a plurality to majority of white American women vote Republican, look up the statistics online.
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*** They didn't inherit the house, Peggy mentioned that they bought the house in one episode. All the other houses in the price range of their house was on fire.

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*** They didn't inherit the house, Peggy mentioned that they bought the house in one episode. All the other houses in the their price range of their house was on fire.



** You're saying houses cost $200,000 today, but this show took place in the 1980s. Houses cost around $70,000 to $80,000 in the 1980s (without taking into inflation). Maybe it might not have been very easy to buy a house as a shoe salesman at that time either, but it was still much easier to at least make a down payment. Also, today's young people aren't having difficulty finding houses because of how how much homes cost but because their wages have stagnated (failed to grow in relation to rising prices) and most young Americans today have more student loans to pay off and lower credit scores than their parents or grandparents. There was far more economic inequality in the 2010s decade than there was in the 1980s.

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** You're saying houses cost $200,000 today, but this show took place in the 1980s. Houses cost around $70,000 to $80,000 in the 1980s (without taking into inflation). Maybe it might not have been very easy to buy a house as a shoe salesman at that time either, but it was still much easier to at least make a down payment. Also, today's today in America young people aren't having difficulty finding houses because of how how much homes cost but because (Millennials, Generation Z, afterwards) are seeing their wages have stagnated (failed to grow in relation to rising prices) and most young Americans today have more student loans to pay off and lower credit scores than their parents or grandparents. There was far more economic inequality in the 2010s decade than there was in the 1980s.
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** Maybe Jefferson stole money from Marcy and funded the shirts with that.
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** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with differences more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.

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** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with differences more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.then.
** Republicans tend to be more opposed to pornography, something Marcy is against. Republicans also have many times promised (but not succeeded) to put more stringent restrictions on access to porn, in spite of how this could violate freedom of speech and the First Amendment.
** Marcy is known not to sympathize with poor people such as the Bundys. She even said it herself that she won't help the Bundys because she's a Republican.
** About a plurality to majority of white American women vote Republican, look up the statistics online.
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*** I figured it was mainly the fact that it was ''[[LazyBum Peg]]'' doing manual labor that turned him on.
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** Al even lampshaded this in an episode attributing it to one of the many curses on the Bundy family. God ensures that they'll never eat, but they'll somehow never starve either.
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*** They didn't inherit the house, Peggy mentioned that they bought the house in one episode. All the other houses in the price range of their house was on fire.
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** You're saying houses cost $200,000 today, but this show took place in the 1980s. Houses cost around $70,000 to $80,000 in the 1980s (without taking into inflation).

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** You're saying houses cost $200,000 today, but this show took place in the 1980s. Houses cost around $70,000 to $80,000 in the 1980s (without taking into inflation). Maybe it might not have been very easy to buy a house as a shoe salesman at that time either, but it was still much easier to at least make a down payment. Also, today's young people aren't having difficulty finding houses because of how how much homes cost but because their wages have stagnated (failed to grow in relation to rising prices) and most young Americans today have more student loans to pay off and lower credit scores than their parents or grandparents. There was far more economic inequality in the 2010s decade than there was in the 1980s.
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** You're saying houses cost $200,000 today, but this show took place in the 1980s. Houses cost around $70,000 to $80,000 in the 1980s (without taking into inflation).
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** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with difference more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.

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** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with difference differences more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.
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** The Republican Party was not nearly so conservative on those issues as it was to become. Most mainstream Republicans supported the Equal Rights Amendment (that failed) for example.

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** The Republican Party was not nearly so conservative on those issues as it was to become. Most mainstream Republicans supported the Equal Rights Amendment (that failed) for example.example.
** Both Republicans and Democrats were on average more moderate in the 80s and 90s, with difference more in topics like taxation and social welfare, than social issues. You could find that it was hard to tell a moderate Republican from a moderate Democrat back then.
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** In my background, I've known people who eat a lot like the Bundy's do. Frankly, that they're not all 400lbs and hardly able to move is astonishing, because that's what their diet would do (and has done) to someone living off of it. You weigh a ton but you're actually starving to death. Not a pleasant existence.
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* On a different Marcy note, what's a {{Straw Feminist}} - one who uses very [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TqrYhK0Ew liberationist rhetoric]] - being a staunch Republican?

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* On a different Marcy note, what's a {{Straw Feminist}} - one who uses very [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TqrYhK0Ew liberationist rhetoric]] - being a staunch Republican?Republican?
** The Republican Party was not nearly so conservative on those issues as it was to become. Most mainstream Republicans supported the Equal Rights Amendment (that failed) for example.
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*** I always thought it was because while Al may love Peggy, he really can only get aroused through his fetish, which seems to be a woman doing some sort of manual labor. I seem to recall seeing Peg do chores was the only thing that stimulated him. It may not be just about looks, but he might actually NEED his fetish in order to perform.
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** There's a saying in my country; every beautiful women have a man tired of having sex with her. Modesty a side this troper had some very attractive girlfriends especially when was a teen/twenty years-old when I had a thing for Goth Girls and even in those cases the sex eventually becames routine, and even when you try to put "kinky" stuffs in it there's always a point when you already did all the positions and all the kinky roleplay and all the BDSM possible. If that can happen with a young couple then imagine what would be in a decades-long marriage with people that dislike each other.
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** Instead of malnutrition I think the Bundies' health issue will be overweight as they seem to have a diet mostly based on junk food. A recent study showed that in Latin America for example poor people survive mostly on junk food causing health problems related to diabetes and weight, an irony for the Western World nowadays is that poor people is fat

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** Instead of malnutrition I think the Bundies' The Bundys' health issue will would most likely be an overweight form of malnutrition, as they seem to have a diet mostly based on junk food. A recent study showed food that severely lacks in Latin America for example poor people survive mostly on junk food causing health problems related to diabetes proper nourishment while being high in fat and weight, an irony for sugar. In the Western World nowadays is Jim Jupiter episode, Al compares his family to the "mighty cockroach" that poor people is fatcan subsist on eating garbage, while the healthy and fit Jupiter died after eating like them for a few days.
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** Instead of malnutrition I think the Bundies' health issue will be overweight as they seem to have a diet mostly based on junk food. A recent study showed that in Latin America for example poor people survive mostly on junk food causing health problems related to diabetes and weight, an irony for the Western World nowadays is that poor people is fat

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** Instead of malnutrition I think the Bundies' health issue will be overweight as they seem to have a diet mostly based on junk food. A recent study showed that in Latin America for example poor people survive mostly on junk food causing health problems related to diabetes and weight, an irony for the Western World nowadays is that poor people is fatfat
*On a different Marcy note, what's a {{Straw Feminist}} - one who uses very [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TqrYhK0Ew liberationist rhetoric]] - being a staunch Republican?
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** Instead of malnutrition I think the Bundies' health issue will be overweight as they seem to have a diet mostly based on junk food. A recent study showed that in Latin America for example poor people survive mostly on junk food caugin health problems related to diabetes and weight, an irony for the Western World nowadays is that poor people is fat

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** Instead of malnutrition I think the Bundies' health issue will be overweight as they seem to have a diet mostly based on junk food. A recent study showed that in Latin America for example poor people survive mostly on junk food caugin causing health problems related to diabetes and weight, an irony for the Western World nowadays is that poor people is fat
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** Because they're very creative with how they get food, and what they're willing to eat. A few episodes imply that they steal food from their neighbors, especially the D'arcys; Al has also stolen the lunches of Griff and at least one other mall employee; they eat food meant for animals (Al, Bud and Kelly have all eaten Buck's dog food, and Al also eats out of Marcy's bird feeder), they eat things not normally considered food ([[{{Squick}} like any mice and other vermin unlucky enough to make its way into the Bundy house]], Kelly is seen cooking "boot soup" for herself and Bud, and Al eats a sandwich made with toothpaste), and Peggy spends money for food on herself, but not on any other member of the family.

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** Because they're very creative with how they get food, and what they're willing to eat. A few episodes imply that they steal food from their neighbors, especially the D'arcys; Al has also stolen the lunches of Griff and at least one other mall employee; they eat food meant for animals (Al, Bud and Kelly have all eaten Buck's dog food, and Al also eats out of Marcy's bird feeder), they eat things not normally considered food ([[{{Squick}} like any mice and other vermin unlucky enough to make its way into the Bundy house]], Kelly is seen cooking "boot soup" for herself and Bud, and Al eats a sandwich made with toothpaste), and Peggy spends money for food on herself, but not on any other member of the family.family.
** Instead of malnutrition I think the Bundies' health issue will be overweight as they seem to have a diet mostly based on junk food. A recent study showed that in Latin America for example poor people survive mostly on junk food caugin health problems related to diabetes and weight, an irony for the Western World nowadays is that poor people is fat
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** There's a saying in my country; every beautiful women have a man tired of having sex with her. Modesty a side this troper had some very attractive girlfriends especially when was a teen/twenty years-old when I had a thing for Goth Girls and even in those cases the sex eventually becames routine, and even when you try to put "kinky" stuffs in it there's always a point when you already did all the positions and all the kinky roleplay and all the BDSM possible. If that can happen with a young couple then imagine what would be in a decades-long marriage with people that dislike each other.
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3N72435zJs Tangwiches]], toaster shakin's and the occasional pizza, of course! Peggy wasn't much of a cook, but they're frequently seen eating a little bit. Kelly and Bud could probably take advantage of school lunch programs, or stealing. Bud was often characterized as an adept thief and Kelly had lots of boyfriends who probably gave her money and bought her meals. Al probably raided the dumpsters at the mall and he's shown stealing condiments. And Peggy is shown to eat (bon-bons, anyway). A better question is not how they don't starve to death, but how it is they're not all losing their hair and suffering from the diseases (scurvy and rickets, for starters) caused by malnutrition.

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3N72435zJs Tangwiches]], toaster shakin's and the occasional pizza, of course! Peggy wasn't much of a cook, but they're frequently seen eating a little bit. Kelly and Bud could probably take advantage of school lunch programs, or stealing. Bud was often characterized as an adept thief and Kelly had lots of boyfriends who probably gave her money and bought her meals. Al probably raided the dumpsters at the mall and he's shown stealing condiments. And Peggy is shown to eat (bon-bons, anyway). A better question is not how they don't starve to death, but how it is they're not all losing their hair and suffering from the diseases (scurvy and rickets, for starters) caused by malnutrition.malnutrition.
** Because they're very creative with how they get food, and what they're willing to eat. A few episodes imply that they steal food from their neighbors, especially the D'arcys; Al has also stolen the lunches of Griff and at least one other mall employee; they eat food meant for animals (Al, Bud and Kelly have all eaten Buck's dog food, and Al also eats out of Marcy's bird feeder), they eat things not normally considered food ([[{{Squick}} like any mice and other vermin unlucky enough to make its way into the Bundy house]], Kelly is seen cooking "boot soup" for herself and Bud, and Al eats a sandwich made with toothpaste), and Peggy spends money for food on herself, but not on any other member of the family.
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* How did the Bundys not ''starve to death''?

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* How did the Bundys not ''starve to death''?death''?
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3N72435zJs Tangwiches]], toaster shakin's and the occasional pizza, of course! Peggy wasn't much of a cook, but they're frequently seen eating a little bit. Kelly and Bud could probably take advantage of school lunch programs, or stealing. Bud was often characterized as an adept thief and Kelly had lots of boyfriends who probably gave her money and bought her meals. Al probably raided the dumpsters at the mall and he's shown stealing condiments. And Peggy is shown to eat (bon-bons, anyway). A better question is not how they don't starve to death, but how it is they're not all losing their hair and suffering from the diseases (scurvy and rickets, for starters) caused by malnutrition.
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** It says right in the name that it's an ''organization''. Everyone pitched in.

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** It says right in the name that it's an ''organization''. Everyone pitched in.in.
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** WordOfGod comes into play here. The cast themselves said that the point was the boredom that settles into the sex life, that it becomes like chore. They even add it a case like that it wouldn't matter who your married to.

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** WordOfGod comes into play here. The cast themselves said that the point was the boredom that settles into the sex life, that it becomes like chore. They even add it a case like that it wouldn't matter who your you're married to.to: a nebbish man at a lingerie store apathetically tells his incredibly hot wife that it doesn't really matter to him which negligee she chooses - they're married. Now, if it was on that hot redhead (Peg) over there...



* If Al is so poor, how could he afford the No Ma'am shirts?

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* If Al is so poor, how could he afford the No Ma'am shirts?shirts?
** It says right in the name that it's an ''organization''. Everyone pitched in.
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** I don't think it was a subconscious crush, so much as subconscious recognition that he was the breadwinner for his family and, despite her feminism, she did owe some respect to what he provided his family [Insert favorite line from Peg, Kelly or Bud here.] She found herself in the same place, once Steve lost his job and basically went nuts, and wound up getting drunk with Al at a bar, complaining about gender-non-specific spouses in general. The two of them could relate to each other in very few ways, but when they found common ground, it was based on mutual respect. This became less of an issue when she married Jefferson and the show became one of the greatest live-action cartoons ever made.
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** And they aren't too fair-dealing either. In one episode they got horrified at the thought of living off only Al's wage.

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** And they aren't too fair-dealing either. In one episode they got horrified at the thought of living off only Al's wage.wage.
* If Al is so poor, how could he afford the No Ma'am shirts?
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** WordOfGod comes into play here. The cast themselves said that the point was the boredom that settles into the sex life, that it becomes like chore. They even add it a case like that it wouldn't matter who your married to.

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