History Headscratchers / JurassicWorldFallenKingdom

* Given that the Indoraptor is "defective" and "sickly" due to its unstable genetic structure, isn't it odd how the worst it got from the genetic mishmashing is basically dinosaur asthma? You'd think such a creature would end up with far more serious birth defects like malformed limbs, missing eyes, cancerous growths and all sorts of BodyHorror deformities...best case scenario, they end up with a horribly mutated stillborn specimen, worst case scenario, they create something far more nightmarish than even ''Film/ShinGodzilla''...

** The ''Indoraptor'' we see is a "prototype" Wu explicitly states that it isn't intended for sale and needs more work to be viable, it's why they wanted Blue, her genetics are stable and she is the most "docile" predator they know of, presumably Blues genes would be used as a template to "upgrade" the Indoraptor and that one would be discarded.
** Breathing problems wasn't the only issue the Indoraptor had. He had mental problems, as well-he was probably insane, and most definitely sadistic, enjoying killing his prey and even toying with it beforehand. He also had neurological issues. His movements were erratic and jerky, and he suffered from constant muscle spasms and twitches.

** Pachycephalosaurs at the park probably ''did'' try to break through walls that way when confined, only they learned not to ''keep'' doing so after a collision or two with unyielding concrete gave them a headache. Without a human's whistles to make her hit the same spot repeatedly, Stiggy wouldn't have the smarts to realize that continuing to hit the same wall was accomplishing something.

* The one biggest issue in the film: ''why the hell did Rexy stop to fight a Carno when THE ISLAND WAS BLOWING UP?'' Given that the franchise really took lots of care to make sure that the dinos think and act as much like real animals as possible, this scene sticks out like a sore thumb, as it was basically a TooDumbToLive moment on Rexy's part! She wasn't territorial, she didn't seem to be hungry, she didn't even finish off the Carno...what was the point of wasting a few precious seconds in a life threatening situation just to pick fights and look cool?
** Animals fall back on their reflexive natural tendencies when they're frightened, even if it's not what will actually help. A rabbit caught in the middle of a busy road will freeze to avoid the "predator" cars' notice, and get squashed. A wild bird in a cage will batter its wings into ruin trying to take off. Rexy, faced with a danger she can't possibly attack (a volcano), resorts to taking down a threat that she ''can''.

** Prevent it from being pulled back into the freight elevator, where it would be shipped out to make god only knows what trouble, and deal with the full consequences later. If it can't go to shipping it wasn't going to be going anywhere because the only way to safely move it was disable. Owen didn't plan on some idiot deciding to open the cage though.

* How are there pterosaurs on the island if in the first film they were gunned down after attacking the visitors when they were released by the ''I. rex''?
** From what I remember, ACU and the park rangers used tranquilizer rifles against them. Owen and Claire were also shown shooting them with tranqs. Only the [=InGen=] soldiers, who arrived later, used lethal force, and even then we only saw them kill one ''Dimorphodon''.

* I kinda call bullshit on the whole "Blue empathy" thing. I mean, in the first film, she straight up ''tries to kill Owen'' the first chance she gets, and as soon as he turns his back Blue immediately jumps him as he barely escapes through the gate. And then later, she actively ditches him for the ''I. rex'' once she realizes she's a stronger alpha, and only fights back once Owen reestablishes his dominance. So the whole scene where Baby Blue is seen being sweet and comforting to Owen just kind of seems contrived just to make her more "sympathetic"?
** Empathy is there but it doesn't mean it's 100% successful. Owen was learning about this when she was a baby but by the time she's grown up, Owen sees there are a lot of holes in taming raptors, hence, why he is so hesitant in bringing these animals to the field. When the ''Indominus rex'' presents herself to the raptors and actually communicates with them, it was Owen's fears coming true. He did made the raptors empathetic to him, but he didn't count on them being empathetic towards something that was similar to their own species. However, Owen rectifies that by showing his role as pack leader not by dominance but by showing the same empathy as his daughters. When the ''Indominus rex'' forces them to attack Owen, the raptors are enraged and switch sides to attack the ''I. rex''.

** One thing to remember is that Owen raised each of the raptors ''from birth''. He stated as much in the first film that he "imprinted" on them when the hatched, and worked with them ''for years'' after that. He knows these raptors better than almost anyone else for that very reason. It's also one the main flaws that Hoskins didn't see. Like K-9s in Police and Military units the world over, the person training to use the animal would have to train with the animal from the moment it hatched. Hoskins, and by extension, Dr. Wu and Mills, only cared that the animals could be ''controlled'', never bothering to consider what it would take to gain that level of control in the first place. To put it simply, here's what would have to happen:

*** 2. Once the raptor hatches, the handler would have to begin teaching the animal ''basic'' behaviors (like sit, stay, speak, etc), and associate those with specific words or another language.
*** 3. During the several ''weeks'' of these basic commands, the handler would have to expose the animal to different sights and smells in the real world. You'd need to do this to socialize the animal with random people, and to ensure that it doesn't try to attack anyone it's not supposed to.
*** 4. When the raptor has reached a point where the handler feels comfortable, it will then begin its specialized training for either search, or capture. As before, the handler would have to train the animal to obey these commands to specific key words or in another language, and also to only follow them when certain gestures or sounds are used (such as when Owen whistled in ''JW''). This would serve to prevent confusion when the raptor is doing this for real.

** That was when Blue was a baby and Owen was far bigger then her making it easier for her prey-reactionary instincts to allow his presence. As she grew up into the equivalent of a teenager when the Jurassic World incident happened, she went through a moody aggressive phase where her instincts ramped up, making it harder for her to control herself around him, not unlike humans and their hormonal years. Finally, around ''Fallen Kingdom'', the events of the incident and a few years for her biology to stabilize have left her more in control of her predatory urges.
** The [[Fridge/JurassicWorld Fridge]] and [[Headscratchers/JurassicWorld Headscratchers]] for the first film answer a lot of these questions. Raptors have insanely high prey drive, so if something runs, they ''have'' to chase it, it's pure instinct. As for turning on Owen with the ''Indominus'', it's more complicated then it seems at first blush. Basically, the ''I. rex'' tells the raptors she's in charge now, the raptor's look to Owen, their current Alpha, to see if he'll rise to this challenge or not, but before Owen can do anything, Hoskins' mercs open fire, forcing the raptors into "fight or die" mode, so they start taking out the humans. Notice how none of the raptors ''directly'' attack Owen in that scene, Charlie stops when she sees him and even kind of smiles at him, Blue stops going after Barry when he calls her name, and Delta completely ignores Owen, Claire, and the kids in favor of getting Hoskins. It's only when they're pretty much literally the only people left that the raptors actually confront Owen, and when Owen reaches up to take Blue's camera off, the snap she gives him is so halfhearted she needed have even bothered (her head doesn't move at all and her jaws as ''feet'' away from Owen's hand, so it's useless as a threat display). When Owen removes her gear, petting her head softly, he re-establishes that empathic bond, not a dominant one, and the raptors all turn on the ''I. rex'' for their daddy. Blue's empathy with Owen isn't in the forefront in the first film, but it is there, if you read between the right lines.

* How is a blood transfusion between Rexy and Blue even viable? Even if they're closely related species (actually not that close, even), there is a risk of complications: if even human blood transfusions from the same species (human-to-human) are known to fail, what more with an inter-species transfusion?

** It's presumed that scientists have learned that Rexy and Blue have a slightly similar genetic make up but Zia mentioned that Rexy is the closest, not most compatible.
** It should be remembered they're not real dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were mentioned as being part frog all the way back to ''Film/JurassicPark'' for instance (whether or not Masrani Corporations used other ways to revive dinosaurs without needing frog DNA is up in the air). As such, they would almost certainly be a lot closer genetically than the real dinosaurs were, because they were working off a template.
** Xenotransfusions are actually employed with significant success in real life. In places without adequate blood stores, dog blood has even been transfused to cats. Same with birds, which dinosaurs are related to: They can often receive cross-species transfusions because they do not have blood types.

** Arguments could be made that Masrani was the key figure responsible as he presumably arranged for the ''Indominus'' to be created in the first place; it would be easy enough for Claire's defense lawyers to shift the blame to him while Claire (as they claim) was given inadequate information to make her decision.
** Because Hoskins and Wu's interference with the ''Indominus'' creation makes it really hard to pin on her. Like it wasn't her that greenlit the dinosaur being smart enough to remove tracker and use camouflage some weird private military did. Hoskins even said he wanted the dinosaur to break loose so they can use the raptors.

** Since the movie caters to the audience, who grew up with Jurassic Park and would naturally want to save the dinosaurs, it stands to reason that the movie would only show the pro-dinosaur side of the conflict. Besides, the overall message of the movie can be interpreted as 'Was saving them really the right decision?' Claire's character arc reflects this, wanting to save them all, but in the end can't bring herself to do it because of the ramifications it would bring.

** And just like the film caters to an audience who grew up with the Jurassic Park movies, the world of Jurassic Park has had living, breathing dinosaurs in it for decades, and a full ten years of a functioning theme park where you could go visit them, see them, pet them and ride them and feed them. People in this world have grown up with dinosaurs as living breathing facts of life, not just bones on display in museums. Imagine the number of people who's fondest childhood memories are their first visit to Jurassic World and getting to ride a baby ''Triceratops'', hug a baby ''Apatosaurus'', feed a baby ''Brachiosaurus''. How many of these people, now teens or young adults, would react viscerally to the idea that these magical creatures are about to all die out yet again? That number likely pales in comparison to those directly traumatized by previous dinosaur incidents, or even those like Dr. Malcolm who pause to think "Uh, is this really such a good idea?"

** A ready source of geothermal power

** Simple answer is this: in the first film, we saw that ''Mosasaurus'' was perfectly capable of jumping out of the water to eat low-flying ''Pteranodons'', similar to the way a Great White can leap from the water. That's probably been their main food source.
*** Or just plain seagulls, for that matter. No shortage of them.
** Predation on large herbivores that flock to the lagoon unaware it was salt water until after the fact, flying dinos hunting fish in its area, the automated feeder until it ran out of food to dispense, and the occasional stray predator that wandered too close to the water's edge.
** WordOfGod states that the beginning portion with the ''Mosasaurus'' escape only takes place a few weeks after the last film but that just raises the question on how nobody found the 60ft SeaMonster swimming in open waters until recently, something that large should at least show up on radar.
** The intakes for seawater probably allow curious sharks, bony fishes, turtles and seals from the surrounding ocean to enter the Lagoon, not realizing it's home to something that can gulp down a great white whole. There wouldn't have to be many, just a few every month or two.

* The fourth Season of ''WesternAnimation/JurassicWorldCampCretaceous'' confirms the ''Mosasaurus'' escaped around six months after the collapse of the park. Ignoring the possibIlity of any automated feeders, the campers could have thrown some food into the lagoon occasionally and she had the ''Indominus'' remains to keep her going for a while and may have also grabbed the occasional stray pterosaur that got too close. For comparison, Humpback Whales can go 6 months without food and modern Crocodiles can go 1 or 2 years in extreme cases without feeding by going into hibernation, which the ''Mosasaurus'' may have done as mentioned above.

** Also note that pterosaurs had been visiting locations far from the islands even ''before'' the events of ''The Lost World: Jurassic Park''. Releasing a handful would not do much more damage.

** If I recall correctly, Franklin and Zia had to restart the system but they still failed to do something about the ventilation system, so it's possible that part of the system wasn't up, yet. I guess it just boils down to they weren't thinking, if that isn't case.

*** Dr. Wu noted this himself as a reason why the ''Indoraptor'' is a failed experiment. He wanted to fix the control problem, which would indeed leave you with a terrifying military weapon. A controllable ''Indoraptor'' is a mostly bullet proof murder machine, and could be further augmented by armor plating and quite possibly it's own long ranged weaponry.

*** Actually it wouldn't, because it'd take 18 years for an enhanced human to reach the age of military service, and you'd have no guarantee they'd be willing to enlist when they do. This isn't a Verse where you can augment existing lifeforms, you have to start from scratch.
*** Plus there's also the fact that people tend to get rather uppity when you clone humans, that makes alot of people their enemy just on principle.

*** The reason why armies don't just bomb the crap out everything is because they don't want excessive collateral damage. A military commander could just sick an ''Indoraptor'' on an enemy base so they can kill the soldiers while leaving the enemy supplies intact and without expending his/her own troops.
*** What if the Indoraptor just starts biting into non combatant or wrecking the supplies? Unless they train it to the point it's a drone with knives it's never gonna be a clean plan to throw a wild animal and hope for the best. And if it is trained that way just send a drone with knives, it's less likely to pass as a war crime if caught.
*** That was actually stated in the film - the Indoraptor was genetically flawed and completely untrainable... which was why they needed Blue in the first place, both to use her DNA to stabilise the genome and to give them a parental figure to imprint upon.


But I think we’re missing the main point here, the Indoraptor is the most inefficient and rubbish weapon the army has ever come up with. It’s a dinosaur that attacks a target when you shine a laser on it and make a specific sound. To take each objection in turn:
* You need to have the dinosaur within seeing range of the target. If it can’t see the laser on the person it won’t attack.

* Even if the target somehow misses the dinosaur, a laser light shone on someone’s chest will definitely be a sign of danger, alerting them
* The Indoraptor does not understand stealth. Or silent assassination. Everyone in earshot will know something has gone down due to screams. A lot of screams.

* What happens if the target gets in a helicopter? If the Indoraptor is designed to chase a target until its dead and the target can move quickly (possibly in those incredibly rare items known as cars) then you’ve lost your raptor. Now it can be shot or captured and turned against you.

* We are not shown the end product just a prototype presumably the target would be painted much farther away for instance and as someone else mentioned this gmo could potentially replace a military dog and it's handler.

*** First off, given the overall theme in this franchise, that would mean cloning dire wolves, which, on the face of it, would actually make more sense - more easily obtainable DNA (dire wolf DNA has actually been obtained from subfossils), with domestic dogs as a viable "gap-filler" (with the plus that it would lead to increased trainability) and a higher likelihood of success. However, the problem with using giant-breed dogs (e.g. mastiffs) as surrogates isn't obtaining them - it's ''replacing them''. Mastiffs don't live very long (7 years) - and should be stopped breeding at about 5. That basically gives a pretty small time window (2-3 years) to have a viable dire wolf litter - either synthetic eggs or unfertillised crocodile/ostrich eggs are much easier to obtain and replace. As well as this... why obtain subfossil DNA from dire wolves when you have DNA from living (or recently dead) dinosaurs at hand?

* AND ALL OF YOU ARE MISSING THE ULTIMATE POINT OF THE WHOLE THING! Didn't ANYONE noticed how DEADLY the Indoraptor was INDOORS? That's the true use of it. Don't waste it outside. Use it inside, where it's prey has next-to-no-chance of escaping.

* The ''Indoraptor'' was far from a finished product - it was a proof-of-concept that was the best thing Wu had come up with at that point. It was smart enough to be taught a single trick (thus, proving that it could be controlled ''to an extent''), and as we saw, it ''was'' legitimately dangerous, taking out multiple armed guards with frightening ease. However, it wasn't intended as anything more than another step on a road that would lead to something bigger and better. It was initially displayed as an ''advertisement'' intended to keep a few ears open to hear what would come next, and then Mills got greedy when a few rich, violent assholes decided they liked it as it was.

* Hoskins pointed out the primary reason to use dinosaurs as a base for their attack animals in the previous movie. They are extinct, which means that they have no rights. Neglect or abuse of animals is a crime in many countries, and they are not considered 'property' in the same way as your boots or your couch. The genetically engineered dinosaurs, in the Jurassic Park/World setting, are.

** You guys would be surprised to find out how difficult it can be to get rid of an invasive species once it's established in the wild. Governments worldwide have wasted fortunes in futile attempts to do so. But it depends of the species, really. Some are easier to kill. We got rid of wolves, but coyotes only got smarter and tougher the more we killed them, and even profited from us and spread to the areas we had cleaned of wolves. The larger, slower reproducing species like ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' would in fact be by far the easiest to deal with, because they're pretty easy to find and target. But if Blue manages to reproduce asexually -- as her genetic makeup foreshadows -- and her offspring get a foothold in the North American nature, it will be a tough job trying to eradicate them.
*** Honestly the comparison to invasive species wouldn't apply to any but the smallest dinosaurs. In reality no large animals in history have proven immune to eradication in developed areas (indeed the opposite is true, they tend to be the first to go); it's the small ones like insects and rodents that are fairly futile to get rid of thanks to their ability to hide in so many spaces, reproduce rapidly, benefit form human-made habitats, etc. Even coyotes are not exactly "large" by human standards. Where large animals do survive in suburbs and such, its due to them not being very dangerous/there not being enough desire in the populace to get rid of them.

** To be fair, they will probably try and hunt down the more "dangerous" species such as the Rex and the Carno, probably won't find Blue as she is small and will probably stick to woodlands, the Mosasaurus will definitly be hunted down if it snacks on some surfers, some of the more aggressive Herbivores will either be hunted or relocated (think about how much a set of horns from a Trike will fetch from a trophy collector)but that are calmer and gentler (as gentle as a dino can be) things like a Brachy and a para will probably be left alone or again relocated after capture, they are off the island and are now more endangered than ever, public support will probably ramp up to protect the few left, though Roberta (the Rex) might be captured by the government after they find out that Dr. Wu is now essentially creating Hybrid Monster weapons rather than dinos for an amusement park.

* PlayedForLaughs, yes, but how does the ''Indoraptor'' smirk maliciously? How does he have such a humanlike reaction, almost a sense of humor in fact, and with his bony crocodilian face even manage a facial expression?

** Simple. RuleOfCool
** Human DNA included in its makeup for greater reasoning skills, socialization instincts, and better developed tool using hands. As a side effect it developed the basic facial musculature for simple expressions and thanks to the socialization instincts one hell of a sadist streak that actively enjoyed causing pain.

** Technically I agree - humans are incredibly good at killing things and bringing things to extinction - look at us wiping out entire species with only a few humans trying. There's only eleven species and a few each of them. Those dinosaurs are going to be captured rapidly for various uses - but suggesting they're going to breed and survive is ridiculous.

** For similar reasons why scientists IRL haven't cloned humans, as the subject opens up a can of interdimensional hyper-mutant fire ants, or, in simpler terms, has more ethical and legal ramifications and concerns, whereas cloning extinct animals doesn't, rather, have as much. To further break it down, since he called cloning Lockwood's daughter an "unholy thing", Hammond took Lockwood's use of the tech to be "playing God" in a way that cloning the dinosaurs isn't.

*** It was meant to be a RedHerring.

** At the point where the lights went off, they were on the other side of plate glass in a diorama of dinosaur behavior. It isn't like it would have been able to smell them directly nor with its size follow their trail directly. Furthermore, it's likely that with its faulty genes leading to breathing issues the ''Indoraptor'' couldn't fully make use of its enhanced sense of smell.

** (This also goes along with three points above.) In all the movies I've seen that a dog tracks a person, the dog is given a piece of that person's clothing; assumedly this is the human handler telling the dog "look for this" and the dog understanding which smell its looking for. There might have been other smells going on in that room too; Maisie and Iris were in there earlier as were Eli and Eversol. Or more. Maisie's smell is probably all over. The ''Indoraptor'' may have to figure out which scents are what, how old, and lead where. Tracking dogs can be tricked and it's also possible that the ''Indoraptor'''s sense of smell wasn't trained (well) because this was a prototype and they wanted to show off with the gun to the auctioneers.
** There is also the possibility that due to the fact that it was a degenerated creature and it seems to have the dino equivilent of asthma, that its much touted sense of smell had degraded too, all the great features the Indo was supposed to have, were infact what the ''next generation of Indoraptors'' would have, seeing as they seemed to think using blue would sort out all the crap wrong with Indo, essentially Indo was the showroom model, great to look at but not fully functional, the next generation would look somewhat the same but have all the special features.

** You also assume the sanctuary island actually ''exists''. Lockwood doesn't seem to have the health to follow up on everything. That whole part could have been faked to keep him pacified while planning the capture and sale of the dinosaurs.

* Shouldn't Claire and Owen realize that Lockwood's dinosaur relocation scheme can't possibly work? Eli points out that transporting endangered animals is illegal. So they'd have to do it totally in secret to avoid going to prison, and just sort of hope that nobody ever goes onto Dinosaur Sanctuary Island.
** What's the world going to do? Ship in soldiers and gun down the last surviving dinosaurs or lock up what amounts to a group of conservationists? Not likely, public support was already shifting in favor of saving the dinosaurs and it's not certain that they count as endangered species given the grey area as to their status. They seem to be falling somewhere between property and animals with rights already.
*** To answer some of this, while the ESA states it's illegal to transport them, there are exceptions to that rule, otherwise, you wouldn't have too many animals in zoos---In simple enough terms, it's illegal to transport them without proper permits. However, legally, as mentioned [[https://bit.ly/3IE6qi3 here]], the dinosaurs and their rescue falls more in the realm of LoopholeAbuse.

* Apart from a general veterinarian and a computer guy, the only specialist that Lockwood's group calls in is Owen, to track down Blue. Didn't any of the other species in Jurassic World have special trainers or behavioral scientists? Trainers that Lockwood would have wanted to call in?
** OneRiotOneRanger. Also, apparently Blue is the only successful model of imprinting a human onto a ''Velociraptor''. The others dinosaurs don't matter as much, as seen with how many were left to die on the island.

** The additional material in the Dinosaur Protection group page reveals that all the dinosaurs on Isla Sorna have died out and the ones that survived were transported to Isla Nublar between movies.

*** Mills does mention Sorna once when he takes Claire to Lockwood's private "museum" and tells her the manor was the place where Hammond and Lockwood began their de-extinction experiments, "before Isla Sorna and Jurassic Park" IIRC. That said, the Dinosaur Protection Group site claims that the introduction of certain invasive species (namely, the new dinos we saw in Film/JurassicParkIII) caused Sorna's ecosystem to suffer an imbalance, so maybe that's why they decided that moving the dinosaurs to Sorna wasn't a good plan.
** Sorna was likely taken of the table fairly early as a relocation option by Claire and Lockwood because the only two places on earth that the dinosaurs are known to be found are on Nublar and, based off the DPG information, formally on Sorna, it had to be an unknown island and could not be somewhere that anyone with the desire and resources to steal the dinosaurs (as Mills is revealed to be) would think to look.

* There's also something to be said for technological progression the next generation with niftier features would be snapped up by early adopters at wonkier prices.

** Exaggerated predatory features for the park resulting in ramped up aggression just like the ''Indominous rex''. Like Wu said in the first movie you can't just increase the size of teeth and claws without effecting the related hormonal triggers for aggressive behavior.

** The ''Indoraptor'' seems to be suffering from a neurological degradation, if you look at when it moves, it is almost constantly having twitches and spasms, as though its nervous system isn't getting the right signals through, that could have effected the lungs ability to breathe right.

* Why does Claire suddenly care about dinosaurs so much in this movie? In the previous one, she viewed them as essentially profit numbers, and her experiences through it don't quite explain the change. I can get her becoming more empathic with herbivores, but predators? 'Now I'm going to dedicate my life to saving these beings, who nearly ate me and my nephews and killed a bunch of people, including some I knew personally' doesn't quite sound like the most natural character evolution.
** It seemed natural to me. Over the course of the last film, she witnessed the dying moments of an ''Apatosaurus'', and the distinction between Hoskins' cruelty getting him killed by Delta and Owen's kindness towards Blue getting the raptors back on their side. She's come to see what Owen sees: these are living, breathing creatures that deserve respect, and they will be as kind to us as we are to them. Further underlining this is the fact that she herself was responsible for the ''Indominus rex'' being such a psycho, something that has likely weighed on her mind for several years. I'll grant that Claire's arc isn't the most smoothly written, but it does at least follow an internal logic.
** She's also the one who aimed Rexy at the ''I. rex''. The hands-down most fearsome and dangerous predator ever to walk the Earth ''saved her, her nephews', and her boyfriend's asses'' when worst came to worst. That's bound to instill some respect and admiration for the dinosaurs as a whole. And if you want to get Fridgey, one of Claire's big personality traits is responsibility. It manifests mostly in the first film as negatively portrayed workaholicness and dismissiveness to the little things, because she feels it's her responsibility to keep the park open and making money, and she has her eye on ''that'' ball. Once she realizes her nephews are missing, she takes the responsibility on herself to find them and bring them back safely, refusing to let Owen leave her behind even though she's tromping through the jungle in high heels. Once the park is closed and Masrani is probably going bankrupt dealing with the fallout, it makes sense that she considers the dinosaurs themselves her responsibility, since no-one else is.

[[folder:The Trouble with Tranquilization]]

** Do we even know for certain that Lockwood's daughter died ''before'' Hammond? The film initially avoided stating precisely ''what'' line of research Lockwood had proposed that'd alienated Hammond, presumably to hold back TheReveal about Maisie's origin until later. So it's feasible that Lockwood had simply advocated human cloning in general and Hammond rejected the notion on principle, preferring to stick with dinosaurs. Some years later, Maisie's genetic progenitor died in the car crash and Lockwood revived his old human-cloning program to create his "granddaughter", albeit in secrecy because of how Jurassic Park's failure had stigmatized cloning in general.

* Shouldn't most of the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar already have been long dead anyway? We see a bunch of predators who have to eat regularly and, after their handlers are gone, don't have a huge population of suitable prey, or much room (I seen sources that put Nublar's size at about 30 square miles) to avoid stumbling into someone else's hunting grounds. For that matter, how did Blue last so long? Shouldn't a pack hunter be at a huge disadvantage with no pack?

* Nublar Tuffed Deer, native to the island and plentiful enough to feed a few carnivores.

** It's presumed that the samples taken have made too-unstable Hybrids compared to the ''Indoraptor'' who is already an unstable prototype.

** He probably figures he's got a much better chance of getting a viable sample from blood than, say, toenail clippings or scales. And expecting a raptor to tolerate something as invasive as a tissue biopsy when you don't have time to tranquilize it first is just asking for trouble.
* He initially got her DNA from a ''preserved mosquito''. Sure, the blood was "contaminated", but that shouldn't have been more than a mild inconvenience -- some extra work in the lab, a few more hours of computing time. What's even odder is that he doesn't have her DNA sequence anywhere else, and needs to get a sample to sequence.

* What is the deal with the ''Indoraptor'''s fascination with Maisie, anyway? In the scene with her backing towards his cage, he reaches out a claw and... inspects her hair?... instead of, oh I don't know, dragging her closer to the cage so he could eat her? And then later, when he has Claire and Owen, two larger, completely immobilized targets, pinned down and totally helpless, he prioritized chasing Maisie, even climbing around to the ''outside of the building to find a way to her,'' and then slowly and carefully ''opening'' her balcony door (instead of simply breaking it) to enter her room, and then slowly reaching out to her in her bed instead of immediately going for the kill when he ''knows'' that she's there. What's with all the care and precision? And yes, I already have considered the idea of "the filmmakers wanted it to be like a horror movie monster," but in a series that really drills home how bestial and unpredictable dinosaurs are, it seems incredibly odd that they would give this monster a clear fascination with a specific human character and then neglect to explain why.

** In the film, the ''Indoraptor'' seemed a little hyperactive, probably due to being cooped up in a cage constantly, if you notice when the elevator closed up when it first got out, it instantly lost interest, also it has a sonic trigger noise to start hunting, which is high pitched, so maybe some wires got crossed when Maisie screamed as she ran away, note that it doesn't take a lot for it to lose interest, so maybe it just found it fun to hunt the only prey it could smell nearby.

[[folder:Military Attack Raptors, really?...]]
* Why would a military with access to actual artillery want something like this? Even with every single one of its flaws ironed out, the Indoraptor is still little more than a super-formidable attack dog, right? Granted that ''does'' sound kinda like something that private investors might be interested in for security purposes (but even then I don't know how lucrative selling them to such people would even be) but the military? Even taking into account the argument of wanting to use them to improve kill efficiency without substantial property damage, what about stealth? Hell, what about them running into ''any threat'' anymore dangerous than people armed with firearms - explosives, higher caliber ammunition, vehicles (particularly armored ones), fire, poison..? As it stands, it seems like quite possibly the only practical use these things could have in any military situation, is to employ them in a ZergRush where there's no threat whatsoever that's worse than humans with firearms. And is that ''really'' worth all the trouble of buying, developing, raising, training, maintaining, and breeding them?
** I think you're overestimating just how common explosives, higher caliber ammunition, and armored vehicles are. Each one is immensely expensive and difficult to produce, far more so than a domesticated animal. Also, deploying said assets is another challenge; explosives need to be handled impeccably or they're liable to do more damage to your own forces, and armored vehicles can't go everywhere and require constant (and expensive) maintenance.
*** Are they more expensive than genetically engineering dinosaurs, though? Not even just that, but expenses for training, breeding programs, housing & feeding, etc. Because for this sort of tactic to be effective in life-threatening situations, you'll need a ''lot'' of raptors on reserve, with all the space & facilities necessary to keep them battle-ready. Animals - especially ones expected to perform well in combat settings - ''do'' need constant maintenance. Furthermore, you can't just set them loose either; the raptors would need to be deployed as well, likely requiring an armed escort. So it's likely there'd be vehicles and guns there anyway. Why not just use those? And while they aren't quite as volatile as explosives, they still pose the possible threat of backfiring & attacking the people supervising them. You'd also need to worry about either recapturing them, or just banking on having enough on reserve to not need to, both of which would costly.

*** I know that a mid sized dog generally costs about $2,000 - $1,000 a year [[note]] https://www.petfinder.com/pet-adoption/dog-adoption/how-much-does-a-dog-cost/ [[/note]]. A cursory search on the web pegs an RPG at about the same price, with each grenade about $100 - $500. (The Syrian civil war has made it a sellers market though). The catch is that each bullet and explosive you fire must eventually be replaced. You can't exactly tell soldiers to hold back from using them while their lives are on the line, all for the sake of being cheap. In a best case scenario, Ammo costs should exceed that of the weapon that fires them several dozen times. Conversely, you don't need to reload a Raptor.

*** If an animal is loyal enough to follow you into combat on your command, chanches are they're loyal enough to return to their "pack" when the dust settles.
** Combat is also highly varied and situational. Lets say you need to flush a large number of hostiles out of a tunnel system or a claustrophobic urban environment; tanks can't travel through tight alleyways or cave systems, high caliber bullets aren't that much more useful if you're engaging targets just a few meters away, and employing explosives in close quarters is a BAD IDEA. The raptors however excel at melee combat and have much sharper hearing and scent. With greater situational awareness, a propensity for ambush, greater expendability, and being natural melee fighters, a loyal pack of raptors could really prove their worth in both urban and tunnel warfare.
*** Would the expenses of developing, rearing and maintaining the raptors really be worth it for such a specific application? If the aim is to flush people out of a confined area, it seems like chemical or incendiary weapons could do the trick instead. Presumably the a goal of doing this would be to apprehend those of interest for something other than just killing them, but if that's the case then either of those options seems about as non-lethal as using a genetically enhanced predator.
*** Regarding their use being overly situational; Urban areas are more valuable than wilderness; it's why those areas were developed in the first place. Thus, Urban combat is a common reality in war, as such areas are often worth defending. competent Guerrillas exploit tunnels as often as possible precisely because of the reasons stated above. Specific or not, any military worth it's salt is prepared to tackle those two scenarios at all times.
*** If captives are a priority for whatever reason, an animal that can heed a ''"subdue, don't kill"'' command is more likely to take prisoners than a blazing inferno or a toxic haze. Also, Incendiary and Chemical weapons have no IFF, and can't chase after a fleeing target.
The Raptors would be disposable. Sure a human soldier has greater survivability in the long term but if they die you have to pay benefits, back salary, etc. You might need to pay about the same to create and house a pack of raptors as to feed a squad of soldiers once you have a breeding program but they aren't paid, get no benefits, and if they die it isn't a big deal. Plus their smart enough to fill the combat rolls in a way dogs can't and without evoking any of the automatic sympathy dogs do to their handlers.
* The concept of genetically engineered military dinos may have some legitimacy under the right circumstances, but the way it was done in the movie was absurd. Basically, you have to position the Indoraptor on standby relatively near the target without anybody noticing, and have a soldier with a designator gun paint the target so the Indo goes and kill it. Obviously, a sniper could do the same job much more efficently at a fraction of the cost.

* You could make an argument that the Russian dude who bought Ol' Yellow is just a rich violent idiot who plans on using it for something stupid, but if he actually did intend to have any long-term use for the Indoraptor, did he not realize he'd quite literally have to just pick up research on it where they left off? He's buying it from the only people in the world who have any information on it whatsoever, and also possibly the only people in the world with substantial information on how to even ''raise'' raptors, yet he plans to not only resume development of the species just as it was going, but also fix the problems the freakin' creators themselves were still trying to figure out how to fix? Who was he even going to get to do all of this?

*** But as it stood he only had the ''one'' Indoraptor - he'd need to make more (and better) in order for it to be a feasible advantage of arms, right? With what resources, is what I'm asking?
** I think the mentality was ''"we need every advantage we can get to have a prayer of catching up"'', not ''"we're so far behind lets not even bother."'' Given how fond this franchise is of showcasing the "power of genetics", it's definitely an avenue of research worth investing in (at least in this setting).
*** Perhaps, but the point is that in order to pull this off he'd have to pick up right where the original team started, and go beyond that, so I'm asking how? Who is he that he'd even be able to do something like that? Unless his plan was really to just sell it to someone else, in which case, fair enough.
*** I think that's the point; we're not ''supposed'' to know who he is, or why he's so keen on getting the Indoraptor. His interest in the I.R. could well be sinister foreshadowing that there's more to this man than meets the eye. Since there is bound to be sequel, this seems to be more of a set-up for a new character than an open and shut case.

In the photo Maisie finds of her 'mother', revealing that they are identical, the original Maisie is either sat next to or on the lap of a woman. Based on the dialogue between Iris and Mills it's assumed that the woman is Iris, but does anyone know who the model for the photo was? it clearly wasn't present day Iris. To me it resembled Creator/KristinKreuk but IMDB has no results, so who is it?

* What was the purpose of creating Benjamin Lockwood? It was established in the novel that John Hammond founded [=InGen=] with the help of a geneticist named Norman Atherton. What was to keep the makers from simply using Norman, and making Maisie Atherton's [[spoiler:clone]] daughter?

* What happened to Isla Sorna? Did everyone forget about it? was it destroyed? even if the Sorna dinos were wiped out the infrastructure to keep dinos there might still be in place.

** Information from the DPG explains that the dinosaurs on Sorna have either died off or the remaining dinosaurs were moved to Isla Nublar by Masrani to be exhibited in Jurassic World. (Although the state of Isla Sorna and the dinosaurs that are alive there could be retconned in the future).

* Why exactly does Ian Malcolm testify at the U.S senate hearing against rescuing the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar but in ''The Lost World'' he is willing to risk his life to save the Buck Rex and not allow the authorities to simply gun it down after it got loose in San Diego? Is this simply a case of BecameTheirOwnAntithesis or is there something else going on?
** It's been 21 years. Not to mention, that one example is more a case of taking a quick and clean way of solving that problem. If the problem of a rampaging T-Rex can be solved through simple capture, then it makes total sense to take that route. I see it as more pragmatism than outright sympathy. And that's the thing, that example was one where he was stopping a rampage more than it was saving the life of a Dinosaur that is going to and did kill innocent civilians. It's overly complex and just shooting the rex would have been less risky, but it's still a case of preserving life on all accounts. Malcolm didn't become a lover of Dinos in that film, he just became more of a generally heroic and less self-absorbed/distancing guy. I can see the events of Jurassic World affirming his mindset of "these dinosaurs should not exist" too.

** Because it honestly feels like they took every opportunity they could to rip on the [[Disney/Dinosaur]] and its inaccurate version. Didn't it? Its not just me?

** The Indoraptor seems to be suffering from a neurological degradation, if you look at when it moves, it is almost constantly having twitches and spasms, as though it's nervous system isn't getting the right signals through, that could have effected the lungs ability to breathe right.

** She's also the one who aimed Rexy at the ''I. rex''. The hands-down most fearsome and dangerous predator ever to walk the Earth ''saved her, her nephews', and her boyfriend's asses'' when worst came to worst. That's bound to instill some respect and admiration for the dinosaurs as a whole. And if you want to get Fridgey, one of Claire's big personality traits is responsibility. It manifests mostly in the first film as negatively-portrayed workaholicness and dismissiveness to the little things, because she feels it's her responsibility to keep the park open and making money, and she has her eye on ''that'' ball. Once she realizes her nephews are missing, she takes the responsibility on herself to find them and bring them back safely, refusing to let Owen leave her behind even though she's tromping through the jungle in high heels. Once the park is closed and Masrani is probably going bankrupt dealing with the fallout, it makes sense that she considers the dinosaurs themselves her responsibility, since no one else is.

** But they weren’t trapped the entire time, they got out. What little trouble it would’ve been to find a phone would’ve been worth it. They are in a mansion, not to mention everyone who attended the auction most likely had a cell phone (I honestly cannot imagine ''any'' of them not having one).

* He initially got her DNA from a ''preserved mosquito''. Sure, the blood was "contaminated", but that shouldn't have been more than a mild inconvenience - some extra work in the lab, a few more hours of computing time. What's even odder is that he doesn't have her DNA sequence anywhere else, and needs to get a sample to sequence.

** in the film, the ''Indoraptor'' seemed a little hyperactive, probably due to being cooped up in a cage constantly, if you notice when the elevator closed up when it first got out, it instantly lost interest, also it has a sonic trigger noise to start hunting, which is high pitched, so maybe some wires got crossed when Maisie screamed as she ran away, note that it doesn't take alot for it to lose interest, so maybe it just found it fun to hunt the only prey it could smell nearby.

* I didn't quite get the opening scene in terms of the amount of flooding that seemed to be present. I've skimmed some of the other headscratchers and I don't think this has been asked, but I did see someone mentioning that the film makers played loose with the lagoon and it's location on the island (they moved it to coastline in this film), so maybe that justifies the problem I'm having. But the problem was, it looked like the gates and a significant portion of the surrounding area (e.g. the visitor centre, it looked like?) was flooded. In fact I was immediately thinking global sea levels must have significantly increased by climate change in-universe, so indeed it would suggest that most of the island (and what about the continents?) was submerged. I thought poor Rexy was confined to higher ground and wouldn't have much access to prey animals, so she must have been starving! But instead, when the movie returns to Nublar in a few years, the threat is volcanic activity rather than flooding. So did anyone else get a flooding vibe from the first scene? And if not, can you try to explain the sense that there were high water levels which didn't seem to carry over to later scenes?
** It's mud, not water, covering the walkways. Tropical rainstorms tend to turn the ground into a morass pretty quickly - indeed, we saw as much in the stuck-vehicle scenes from ''both'' the first two films - so it's likely that the weather has left a coating of mud all over the low-lying park areas. It's also possible that some of the adult brachiosaurs cracked the pavements underfoot and knocked down some flood-prevention barriers while wandering around the abandoned facilities, making the mud problem worse.
*** The opening would have taken place shortly after Hurricane Pali swept through the area, it would have left water everywhere and caused the destruction we see.

** Because this movie and all it’s predecessors have been continually reaffirming Malcolm’s old mantra '''”Life will find a way”''' and now the dinosaurs are no longer even confined to an island, they are now loose on the North American continent, that gives them plenty of space to evade capture or people aiming to hunt them.

[[folder: The hypocrisy of Ian Malcom’s testimony.]]

* Why exactly does Ian Malcolm testify at the U.S senate hearing against rescuing the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar and instead leaving them to die but in ''The Lost World'' is willing to risk his life to save the Buck Rex and not allow the authorities to simply gun it down after it got loose in San Diego? Is this simply a case of BecameTheirOwnAntithesis or is there something else going on?

* Why exactly does Ian Malcolm testify at the U.S senate hearing against rescuing the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar and instead to leave them to die but in ''The Lost World'' is also willing to risk his life to save the Buck Rex and not allow the authorities to simply gun it down after it got loose in San Diego? Is this simply a case of BecameTheirOwnAntithesis or is there something else going on?

* Why exactly does Ian Malcolm testify at the U.S senate hearing against rescuing the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar and instead to leave them to die but is also willing to risk his life to save the Buck Rex and not allow the authorities to simply gun it down after it got loose in San Diego? Is this simply a case of BecameTheirOwnAntithesis or is there something else going on?

* Why exactly does Ian Malcolm testify at the U.S senate hearing against rescuing the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar and instead to leave them to die but at is also willing to risk his life to save the Buck Rex and not allow the authorities to simply gun it down after it got loose in San Diego? Is this simply a case of BecameTheirOwnAntithesis or is there something else going on?

* Why exactly does Ian Malcolm testify at the U.S senate hearing against rescuing the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar and instead to leave them to die but at the same time was also willing to risk his life to save the Buck Rex and not allow the authorities to simply gun it down after it got loose in San Diego?

* Why exactly does Ian testify at the U.S senate hearing against rescuing the dinosaurs on Isla Nublar and instead to leave them to die but at the same time was also willing to risk his life to save the Buck Rex and not allow the authorities to simply gun it down after it got loose in San Diego?

* The fourth Season of ''WesternAnimation/JurassicWorldCampCretaceous'' confirms the ''Mosasaurus'' escaped around six months after the collapse of the park. Ignoring the possibIlity of any atoumated feeders that may have been lasted a few days or weeks, the campers could have thrown some food into the lagoon occasionally and she had the ''Indominus'' remains to keep her going for a while and may have also grabbed the occasional stray pterosaur that got too close. For comparison, Humpback Whales can go 6 months without food and modern Crocodiles can go 1 or 2 years in extreme cases without feeding by going into hibernation, which the ''Mosasaurus'' may have done as mentioned above.

* The fourth Season of ''WesternAnimation/JurassicWorldCampCretaceous'' confirms the ''Mosasaurus'' escaped around six months after the collapse of the park. The campers could have thrown some food into the lagoon occasionally and the fact that she had the ''Indominus'' remains to keep her going for a while and may have have grabbed the occasional stray pterosaur that got too close. For comparison, Humpback Whales can go 6 months without food and modern Crocodiles can go 1 or 2 years in extreme cases without feeding by going into hibernation, which the ''Mosasaurus'' may have done as mentioned above.

* The fourth Season of ''WesternAnimation/JurassicWorldCampCretaceous'' confirms the ''Mosasaurus'' escaped six months after the collapse of the park. On top of the fact that it had the ''Indominus'' remains to keep it going for a while. For comparison, Humpback Whales can go 6 months and modern Crocodiles can go 1 or 2 years in extreme cases without feeding by going into hibernation, which the ''Mosasaurus'' may have done as mentioned above.

* They didn’t count on Owen being there to direct Stiggy in the right direction, Owen realized he could get Stiggy to charge the wall repeatedly until it eventually broke, the same thing for the steel cage door, Stiggy may have the strength and the right noggin to bust through it with its head but it was Owen who knew he need it to hit the right spot.

* The fourth Season of ''WesternAnimation/JurassicWorldCampCretaceous'' confirms the ''Mosasaurus'' escaped six months after the collapse of the park, on top of the fact that it had the ''Indominus'' remains to keep it going for a while. For comparison, Humpback Whales can go 6 months without feeding and modern Crocodiles can go 1 or 2 years in extreme cases by going into hibernation, which the ''Mosasaurus'' may have done as mentioned above.

* The fourth Season of ''WesternAnimation/JurassocWorldCampCretaceous confirms the ''Mosasaurus'' escaped six months after the collapse of the park, on top of the fact that it eatiboahed she had the ''Indominus'' remains to keep her going for a while. For comparison, humpback whales can go 6 months and modern crocodiles 1 or 2 years in extreme cases without food by going into hibernation, which the ''Mosasaurus'' may have done as mentioned above.

** For similar reasons why scientists IRL haven't cloned humans, as the subject opens up a can of interdimensional hyper-mutant fire ants, or, in simpler terms, has more ethical and legal ramifications and concerns, whereas cloning animals doesn't, rather, have as much. To further break it down, since he called cloning Lockwood's daughter an "unholy thing", Hammond took Lockwood's use of the tech to be "playing God" in a way that cloning the dinosaurs isn't.

*** Mills does mention Sorna once when he takes Claire to Lockwood's private "museum" and tells her the manor was the place where Hammond and Lockwood began their de-extinction experiments, "before Isla Sorna and Jurassic Park" IIRC. That said, the Dinosaur Protection Group site claims that the introduction of certain invasive species (namely, the new dinos we saw in Jp3) caused Sorna's ecosystem to suffer an imbalance, so maybe that's why they decided that moving the dinos to Sorna wasn't a good plan.

** For similar reasons why scientists IRL haven't cloned humans, as the subject opens up a can of interdimensional hyper-mutant fire ants, or, in simpler terms, has more ethical and legal ramifications and concerns, whereas cloning animals doesn't, rather, have as much much. To further break it down, since he called cloning Lockwood's daughter an "unholy thing", Hammond took Lockwood's use of the tech to be "playing God" in a way that cloning the dinosaurs isn't.

*** To answer some of this, while the ESA states it's illegal to transport them, there are exceptions to that rule, otherwise, you wouldn't have too many animals in zoos---In simple enough terms, it's illegal to transport them without proper permits. However, legally, as mentioned [[https://bit.ly/3IE6qi3 here]], the dinosaurs and their rescue falls more in the realm of LoopholeAbuse.

** Because this movie and all it’s predecessors have been continually reaffirming Malcolm’s old mantra '''”Life will find a way”''' and now the dinosaurs are no longer even confined to an island, they are now loose on the North American continent, that gives them plenty of space to evade humans and avoid capture or people aiming to hunt them.