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* Vhagar roasts her at point-blank range, which as we see in the Loot Train Attack in GOT 7.04, turns bodies to cremated ash. What the heck was in that sarcophagus?? Ash and sand? Nothing?
* Vhagar roasts her at point-blank range, which as we see in the Loot Train Attack in GOT 7.04, turns bodies to cremated ash. What the heck was in that sarcophagus?? Ash and sand? Nothing?
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* Vhagar roasts her at point-blank range, which as we see in the Loot Train Attack in GOT 7.04, turns bodies to cremated ash. What the heck was in that sarcophagus?? Ash and sand? Nothing?
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* Why, exactly, is this such a non-issue and why is nobody cutting Rhaenyra any slack for the fact that her husband was literally incapable of fathering a child? Nobody ever noticed that Laenor never had sex with a woman, or presumably never, since he wasn't able to even have sex with Rhaenyra when they say that they did try to conceive, BEFORE they married him to THE HEIR TO THE THRONE? Laenor was somehow the only teenaged boy in Westeros that didn't never went to a brothel? Nobody thought that was weird?? Alicent throws in her face what a good match it was and "how hard" Viserys tried to make it for her. And to that end, was there a good reason they couldn't tell Rhaenys and Corlys that he faked his death because IT'S KIND A BIG DEAL THAT RHAENYRA HAVE SOME TRUEBORN HEIRS??? They both seemed reasonably politically expedient and would have understood.
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* Why, exactly, is this such a non-issue and why is nobody cutting Rhaenyra any slack for the fact that her husband was literally incapable of fathering a child? Nobody ever noticed that Laenor never had sex with a woman, or presumably never, since he wasn't able to even have sex with Rhaenyra when they say that they did try to conceive, BEFORE they married him to THE HEIR TO THE THRONE? Laenor was somehow the only teenaged boy in Westeros that didn't never went to a brothel? Nobody thought that was weird?? Alicent throws in her face what a good match it was and "how hard" Viserys tried to make it for her. And to that end, was there a good reason they couldn't tell Rhaenys and Corlys that he faked his death because IT'S KIND A BIG DEAL THAT RHAENYRA HAVE SOME TRUEBORN HEIRS??? They both seemed reasonably politically expedient and would have understood.
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* Why is Viserys literally ''rotting away alive'' at the rate that he is? Does it have something to do with the cut he recieved from the Iron Throne? Is it some sort of curse?
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* Why is Viserys literally ''rotting away alive'' at the rate that he is? Does it have something to do with the cut he recieved received from the Iron Throne? Is it some sort of curse?
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*** He also could have found out from his mother, Alyssa Velaryon who might've been trusted with the secret as Aenys' wife. Then I presume Jaehaerys passed it to Aemon, Baelon, and Viserys as needed. I'd also bet Maegor was aware of it due to Visenya probably having knowledge of it.
** If we take into account Daenerys's vision of Rhaegar mentioning the Song of Ice and Fire way back in the second book, it seems like some Targaryens felt confidence enough to share details of the prophecy with their significant others as well as their heirs.
** If we take into account Daenerys's vision of Rhaegar mentioning the Song of Ice and Fire way back in the second book, it seems like some Targaryens felt confidence enough to share details of the prophecy with their significant others as well as their heirs.
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*** He also could have found out from his mother, Alyssa Velaryon who might've been trusted with the secret as Aenys' wife. Then I presume Jaehaerys passed it to Aemon, Baelon, and Viserys as needed. I'd also bet Maegor was aware of it due to Visenya probably having knowledge of it.
it. If so, then Maegor could have told his half-grand-niece Aerea, who he chose as his heir in the absence of a son. Aerea then could have told Jaehaerys, as they were evidently close enough that Jaehaerys chose her as his heir as well until he had his first child.
** If we take into account Daenerys's vision of Rhaegar mentioning the Song of Ice and Fire way back in the second book, it seems like some Targaryens felt confidence enough to share details of the prophecy with their significant others as well as their heirs. However, that vision appears only in the books, not the TV series, leaving its canonicity to HOTD unclear. And even if it is, "the song of ice and fire" that Rhaegar mentioned in the vision may turn out to mean something completely different in the book continuity.
** If we take into account Daenerys's vision of Rhaegar mentioning the Song of Ice and Fire way back in the second book, it seems like some Targaryens felt confidence enough to share details of the prophecy with their significant others as well as their heirs. However, that vision appears only in the books, not the TV series, leaving its canonicity to HOTD unclear. And even if it is, "the song of ice and fire" that Rhaegar mentioned in the vision may turn out to mean something completely different in the book continuity.
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* Why, exactly, is this such a non-issue and why is nobody cutting Rhaenyra any slack for the fact that her husband was literally incapable of fathering a child? Nobody ever noticed that Laenor never had sex with a woman, or presumably never, since he wasn't able to even have sex with Rhaenyra when they say that they did try to conceive, BEFORE they married him to THE HEIR TO THE THRONE? Laenor was somehow the only teenaged boy in Westeros that didn't never went to a brothel? Nobody thought that was weird?? Alicent throws in her face what a good match it was and "how hard" Viserys tried to make it for her.
And to that end, was there a good reason they couldn't tell Rhaenys and Corlys that he faked his death because IT'S KIND A BIG DEAL THAT RHAENYRA HAVE SOME TRUEBORN HEIRS??? They both seemed reasonably politically expedient and would have understood.
And to that end, was there a good reason they couldn't tell Rhaenys and Corlys that he faked his death because IT'S KIND A BIG DEAL THAT RHAENYRA HAVE SOME TRUEBORN HEIRS??? They both seemed reasonably politically expedient and would have understood.
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* Why, exactly, is this such a non-issue and why is nobody cutting Rhaenyra any slack for the fact that her husband was literally incapable of fathering a child? Nobody ever noticed that Laenor never had sex with a woman, or presumably never, since he wasn't able to even have sex with Rhaenyra when they say that they did try to conceive, BEFORE they married him to THE HEIR TO THE THRONE? Laenor was somehow the only teenaged boy in Westeros that didn't never went to a brothel? Nobody thought that was weird?? Alicent throws in her face what a good match it was and "how hard" Viserys tried to make it for her. \n And to that end, was there a good reason they couldn't tell Rhaenys and Corlys that he faked his death because IT'S KIND A BIG DEAL THAT RHAENYRA HAVE SOME TRUEBORN HEIRS??? They both seemed reasonably politically expedient and would have understood.
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Why, exactly, is this such a non-issue and why is nobody cutting Rhaenyra any slack for the fact that her husband was literally incapable of fathering a child? Nobody ever noticed that Laenor never had sex with a woman, or presumably never, since he wasn't able to even have sex with Rhaenyra when they say that they did try to conceive, BEFORE they married him to THE HEIR TO THE THRONE? Laenor was somehow the only teenaged boy in Westeros that didn't never went to a brothel? Nobody thought that was weird?? Alicent throws in her face what a good match it was and "how hard" Viserys tried to make it for her.
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* Why, exactly, is this such a non-issue and why is nobody cutting Rhaenyra any slack for the fact that her husband was literally incapable of fathering a child? Nobody ever noticed that Laenor never had sex with a woman, or presumably never, since he wasn't able to even have sex with Rhaenyra when they say that they did try to conceive, BEFORE they married him to THE HEIR TO THE THRONE? Laenor was somehow the only teenaged boy in Westeros that didn't never went to a brothel? Nobody thought that was weird?? Alicent throws in her face what a good match it was and "how hard" Viserys tried to make it for her.
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** Homophobia is just as much of a thing in Westeros as sexism is. Corlys and Rhaenys probably at least suspect that Laenor is gay. They don't care. Nobody does. Probably they rationalize it as "it's just a phase and Laenor will settle down with the right girl," but ultimately nobody gives two shifts about anybody's mental or physical well-being--just that Rhaenyra and Laenor pump out the correct amount of Targaryen-Velaryon heirs. This isn't a love match, it's a political alliance--one that, yes, Rhaenyra is taking a dump on with the Strong kids. Is it a big deal by our standards? No, of course not. Laenor's gay, he and Rhaenyra have an arrangement (and are ''at least'' very fond of each other), Harwin and Rhaenyra are all smitten. Is it a big deal, dangerously so, by Westerosi standards? Yeah, and we see the fallout of that.
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** The evidence that Laenor was murdered is stronger than that a random guard was murdered. Either way, someone has been murdered, and another disappeared. But a witness saw the beginning of Laenor and Qarl's fight and ran to summon he guard. While no one witnessed Daemon killing a lone guardsman. Carlys and Rhaenna can either accept their son died in the game of thrones, or cling on to the possibility that there's been a body switcheroo and their son has chosen to abandon them for no clear reason. Both parents are more inclined to believe the former.
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** The evidence that Laenor was murdered is stronger than that a random guard was murdered. Either way, someone has been murdered, and another disappeared. But a witness saw the beginning of Laenor and Qarl's fight and ran to summon he guard. While no one witnessed Daemon killing a lone guardsman. Carlys and Rhaenna Rhaenys can either accept their son died in the game of thrones, or cling on to the possibility that there's been a body switcheroo and their son has chosen to abandon them for no clear reason. Both parents are more inclined to believe the former.
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** If possible, Laenor could have ordered his dragon to leave him, and find a new rider to bond. He's a man starting a new life in Essos, away from the schemes and baggage of being a half-Targaryen. The last thing he needs is to be identified by everyone as such because there's a giant dragon following him everywhere.
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** The evidence that Laenor was murdered is stronger than that a random guard was murdered. Either way, someone has been murdered, and another disappeared. But a witness saw the beginning of Laenor and Qarl's fight and ran to summon he guard. While no one witnessed Daemon killing a lone guardsman. Carlys and Rhaenna can either accept their son died in the game of thrones, or cling on to the possibility that there's been a body switcheroo and their son has chosen to abandon them for no clear reason. Both parents are more inclined to believe the former.
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** This could be the case in the show, but in the books it is implied that Targaryens being immune to ailments is mere propaganda. Two of Daemon's aunts themselves died of diseases, one of them being Greyscale.
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** This could be the case in the show, but in the books books, it is implied that Targaryens being immune to ailments is mere propaganda. Two of Daemon's aunts themselves died of diseases, one of them being Greyscale.
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** That is a lot of questions that have fairly easy answers.
*** To Laenor's inability to have children, is really his or Rhaenyra's fault if he can't make babies? They did try and it just didn't happen.
*** To Laenor's homosexuality, it was something of an open secret. Most everyone (of importance) in the realm knows or knew, but sexuality seldom plays a hand in dynastic politic (I recommend looking up Philippe I, Duke of Orleans for ready confirmation of that).
*** To Laenor's parents not knowing about his faked death, I highly doubt that Corlys would allow his son to simply run away from their family's shot at the Iron Throne simply because he can't get it up in front of a girl considering that the throne is something that Corlys wanted. Much like Otto, Corlys is ambitious, and his child's happiness does not enter into the equation when that ambition has a chance to be realized.
*** To Laenor's inability to have children, is really his or Rhaenyra's fault if he can't make babies? They did try and it just didn't happen.
*** To Laenor's homosexuality, it was something of an open secret. Most everyone (of importance) in the realm knows or knew, but sexuality seldom plays a hand in dynastic politic (I recommend looking up Philippe I, Duke of Orleans for ready confirmation of that).
*** To Laenor's parents not knowing about his faked death, I highly doubt that Corlys would allow his son to simply run away from their family's shot at the Iron Throne simply because he can't get it up in front of a girl considering that the throne is something that Corlys wanted. Much like Otto, Corlys is ambitious, and his child's happiness does not enter into the equation when that ambition has a chance to be realized.
