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* Even as a kid I was always questioning this. These Titans are depicted as elemental monsters that represent natural disasters like earthquakes, blizzards, volcanoes, and tornadoes. And considering that they were said to CAUSE natural disasters in the earths beginning, that seems legit. But the Cyclops clearly doesn't fit this criteria. Which leaves me to wonder if he's really a titan, or just some monster who was imprisoned in the same underground cell as the others. (probably in a later time when more "organic" beings started to inhabitant Greece)
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* Even as a kid I was always questioning this. These The Titans are depicted as elemental monsters that represent natural disasters like earthquakes, blizzards, volcanoes, and tornadoes. And considering that they were said to CAUSE natural disasters in the earths beginning, that seems legit.tornadoes. But the Cyclops clearly doesn't fit this criteria. Which leaves me one to wonder if he's really a titan, or just some monster who was imprisoned in the same underground cell as the others. (probably in a later time when more "organic" beings started to inhabitant Greece)
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** Hades is the ruler of the dead and the underworld, and while he does have some power over the subject, he’s not the god ''of'' death, the one who makes death happen. It was Thanatos who did that. All that happens while Hades is stuck in the river of souls is that the underworld has no leader.
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* It’s understandable that the movie would want to avoid having Hercules born as a result of Zeus’s extramarital affair, hence why they couldn’t make Hera his enemy like in the myths. But couldn’t they have had Zeus sire him with Alcmene before he and Hera were married?
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Even as a kid I was always questioning this. These Titans are depicted as elemental monsters that represent natural disasters like earthquakes, blizzards, volcanoes, and tornadoes. And considering that they were said to CAUSE natural disasters in the earths beginning, that seems legit. But the Cyclops clearly doesn't fit this criteria. Which leaves me to wonder if he's really a titan, or just some monster who was imprisoned in the same underground cell as the others. (probably in a later time when more "organic" beings started to inhabitant Greece)
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* Even as a kid I was always questioning this. These Titans are depicted as elemental monsters that represent natural disasters like earthquakes, blizzards, volcanoes, and tornadoes. And considering that they were said to CAUSE natural disasters in the earths beginning, that seems legit. But the Cyclops clearly doesn't fit this criteria. Which leaves me to wonder if he's really a titan, or just some monster who was imprisoned in the same underground cell as the others. (probably in a later time when more "organic" beings started to inhabitant Greece)
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Even as a kid I was always questioning this. These Titans are depicted as elemental monsters that represent natural disasters like earthquakes, blizzards, volcanoes, and tornadoes. And considering that they were said to CAUSE natural disasters in the earths beginning, that seems legit. But the Cyclops clearly doesn't fit this criteria. Which leaves me to wonder if he's really a titan, or just some monster who was imprisoned in the same underground cell as the others. (probably in a later time when more "organic" beings started to inhabitant Greece)
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* Pain and Panic note that Hades will be really mad ''[[UncertainDoom if]]'' he escapes the River Styx. This raises an interesting question, what happens if the God of '''Death''' loses his soul? Does somebody else take over duties? Does the concept of death cease to exist? Or does the concept of life and death remain with Hades [[AndIMustScream simply trapped in the river for all eternity]]?
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**Just an issue of continuity,I guess. Besides,Hercules had met Zeus by the time of the animated series,and I would suspect his mortal parents taught him about the Pantheon (hard to miss with all the various temples). Even if he had never met Hades at that point,it doesn't mean he didn't know who he was.
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** Hades is not a good boss -- Pain and Panic had two choices: telling him the truth and may get a punishment, or not telling him the truth and SURELY not get a punishment. They chose the latter.
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with his smoke, and even then it seems to be an effort, since Hades' specialty isn't strength.
** The Fates have specially told Hades that if Hercules chose to fight him, he would fail. Therefore Hades had a reason to not try to kill Hercules by his own hands, but using monsters and Cyclop instead.
** The Fates have specially told Hades that if Hercules chose to fight him, he would fail. Therefore Hades had a reason to not try to kill Hercules by his own hands, but using monsters and Cyclop instead.
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** Hades still does, probably. He's still an immortal god. At worst, he'd just have to swim his way up and out of the river, and he would be fine.
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** Hades's intention was presumably to have Hercules kidnapped and killed before Zeus found out he was gone. It would not have taken that long for the gods to find the baby after he became mortal, especially since he was probably found by his mortal parents near the base of Mount Olympus. And once they found him, Zeus undoubtedly would have watched over him, and kept him safe from any monsters that may have posed a threat. In that regard, waiting 18 years turned out to be a benefit to Hades, since by then Herc had resorted to fighting monsters on his own and was trying to become a true hero without Zeus's direct help.
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** Hades's intention was presumably to have Hercules kidnapped and killed before Zeus found out he was gone. It would not have taken that long for the gods to find the baby after he became mortal, especially since he was probably found by his mortal parents near -- Pain and Panic appear to have left him in the base immediate vicinity of Mount Olympus. And once they found him, Zeus undoubtedly would have watched over him, and kept him safe from any monsters that may have posed a threat. In that regard, waiting 18 years turned out to be a benefit to Hades, since by then Herc had resorted to fighting monsters on his own and was trying to become a true hero without Zeus's direct help.
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** Hades's intention was presumably to have Hercules kidnapped and killed before Zeus found out he was gone. It would not have taken that long for the gods to find the baby after he became mortal, especially since he was probably left somewhere near the base of Mount Olympus. And once they found him, Zeus undoubtedly would have watched over him, and kept him safe from any monsters that may have posed a threat. In that regard, waiting 18 years turned out to be a benefit to Hades, since by then Herc had resorted to fighting monsters on his own and was trying to become a true hero without Zeus's direct help.
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** Hades's intention was presumably to have Hercules kidnapped and killed before Zeus found out he was gone. It would not have taken that long for the gods to find the baby after he became mortal, especially since he was probably left somewhere found by his mortal parents near the base of Mount Olympus. And once they found him, Zeus undoubtedly would have watched over him, and kept him safe from any monsters that may have posed a threat. In that regard, waiting 18 years turned out to be a benefit to Hades, since by then Herc had resorted to fighting monsters on his own and was trying to become a true hero without Zeus's direct help.
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** Hades's intention was presumably to have Hercules kidnapped and killed before Zeus found out he was gone. It would not have taken that long for the gods to find the baby after he became mortal, especially since he was probably left somewhere near the base of Mount Olympus. And once they found him, Zeus undoubtedly would have watched over him, and kept him safe from any monsters that may have posed a threat. In that regard, waiting 18 years turned out to be a benefit to Hades, since by then Herc had resorted to fighting monsters on his own and was trying to become a true hero without Zeus's direct help.
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** In real life, the ancient Greeks had their theory about where the entrance to the underworld was, which in the movie's universe would probably prove to be true. Barring that, Hercules might've just asked Zeus about how to get there.
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* At the end of the film, Hercules bursts into the Underworld to rescue Meg’s soul. How did he know where the entrance was?
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* Aside from how taboo the plot would have gone for a Disney movie, why DIDN'T Pain and Panic just tell Hades the truth about why they failed to kill baby Hercules? They did successfully kidnap Herc, and feed him 99% of the potion to turn him mortal. 1.99/3 steps completed isn't anything Hades would hold a grudge over, especially since they still had 18 YEARS to finish the job. Just have a much bigger monster attack. A strong baby can kick the butts of two snakes, but something as big as the Hydra? Hades really has nothing to worry about. He was probably mad at Pain and Panic for lying to him years ago about killing Herc, and he has now grown into a fit young man who's trained to kick monster ass, when the deadline to conquer Olympus is nearing.
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*** He offered to give Meg her freedom if she discovered Herc's weakness. But she didn't actually ''do'' that, did she? She attempted to, at one point. She asked if he had any weaknesses, and he said no, and she gave up. ("Wonderboy, you are perfect"). Attempting to find a weakness isn't good enough; she actually has to succeed at it, or the deal's off. Hades realizes that Meg ''is'' Herc's weakness, but this isn't something Meg discovered and then revealed to Hades; it's something that Hades figured out all by himself. So again, it's not enough to trigger the deal. And when Hades uses this to get Herc to trade away his freedom, Meg is completely uncooperative. ("Don't listen to him!") So no, she was never entitled to freedom under the terms of that deal. If Hades ever lost ownership of Meg, it was under a separate prexisting clause along the lines of "I will serve you until my time has expired or until the end of my life, whichever comes first."
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** He's not annoyed that the underworld keeps him ''busy''; all the talk about being busy was just an excuse to leave the party early. (The simple fact was that he hated everybody there and couldn't stand to spend more than a few minutes with them). I think he actually hates his job not because it's tedious but because it's ''powerless''. He doesn't get to ''do'' anything. He just stands around all day while souls drift in. Other Gods get to raise the sun or toss huricanes around. Other gods get to aid people in war or build mountains or whatnot. Other Gods get to mess around with stuff and people ''worship'' them for it. Meanwhile Hades gets to sit around all day and he never gets any worship. He's jealous.
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*** But it couldn't ''simply'' be a matter of age, or else Zeus would have shown up the instant he thought Hercules was old enough. Instead he waits for Herc to journey to his temple and pray to his statue, and he only ''ever'' talks to Herc via that same statue while Herc is on Earth. I think the "only Gods can live on Mount Olympus" bit actually works both ways, to some extent. It's not just that mortals can't live on Mount Olympus; it's also a rule that Gods can't live on Earth! Granted this is very vague, because obviously Hades hangs around on Earth all the time, and Herc himself is on Earth right after he regains his Godhood, but they might be the exceptions to the rule. For whatever magical reason, Zeus can't just show up on Earth whenever he likes. He can only show up in special places an circumstances, like when he animates the statue of himself in his temple. So I think he was waiting for that circumstance to occur all this time, and the "your old enough now" remark was mostly incidental.
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*** But it couldn't ''simply'' be a matter of age, or else Zeus would have shown up the instant he thought Hercules was old enough. Instead he waits for Herc to journey to his temple and pray to his statue, and he only ''ever'' talks to Herc via that same statue while Herc is on Earth. I think the "only Gods can live on Mount Olympus" bit actually works both ways, to some extent. It's not just that mortals can't live on Mount Olympus; it's also a rule that Gods can't live on Earth! Granted this is very vague, because obviously Hades hangs around on Earth all the time, and Herc himself is on Earth right after he regains his Godhood, but they might be the exceptions to the rule. For whatever magical reason, Zeus can't just show up on Earth whenever he likes. He can only show up in special places an circumstances, like when he animates the statue of himself in his temple. So I think he was waiting for that circumstance to occur all this time, and the "your "you're old enough now" remark was mostly incidental.
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*** But it couldn't ''simply'' be a matter of age, or else Zeus would have shown up the instant he thought Hercules was old enough. Instead he waits for Herc to journey to his temple and pray to his statue, and he only ''ever'' talks to Herc via that same statue while Herc is on Earth. I think the "only Gods can live on Mount Olympus" bit actually works both ways, to some extent. It's not just that mortals can't live on Mount Olympus; it's also a rule that Gods can't live on Earth! Granted this is very vague, because obviously Hades hangs around on Earth all the time, and Herc himself is on Earth right after he regains his Godhood, but they might be the exceptions to the rule. For whatever magical reason, Zeus can't just show up on Earth whenever he likes. He can only show up in special places an circumstances, like when he animates the statue of himself in his temple. So I think he was waiting for that circumstance to occur all this time, and the "your old enough now" remark was mostly incidental.
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** I think the rule here is that promises among Gods are not magically (or morally) binding unless they physically shake hands on it. That's what we saw when Hercules gave up his powers earlier; nothing happened until the handshake. But in the second deal Herc was in such a rush that he didn't bother with a handshake, and Hades assumed that Herc would die anyway so he didn't bother to insist on it. Once Herc attained godhood and got Meg out, there was technically no deal for him to break, because technically they never had a deal in the first place.
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** It's possible Zeus can't even do it himself. Hercules's aura appears by itself without any apparent intervention by Zeus, so it could be assumed it's all down to him. It vanishes as he goes to Meg, which counted as the indicator that he wanted to give up his godhood.
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** It's possible Zeus can't even do it himself. Hercules's aura appears by itself without any apparent intervention by Zeus, so it could be assumed it's all down to him. It vanishes as he goes to Meg, which counted as the indicator that he wanted to give up his godhood.
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** I always thought that Hercules ''didn't'' give up his godhood in the end. I figured that the glow only faded because he consciously turned it off, to indicate that he had decided to live on earth with Meg. So now he's just a god who doesn't look like a god.
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** They might not have checked with Hades at all, since they first searched the earth for Hercules, and Hades's dominion is the Underworld - so they might have avoided checking there out of AdultFear. And time might move differently to the Gods on Olympus. They're immortal, so maybe eighteen years is a drop in the bucket to them, and they hadn't mentioned it to Hades yet.
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** They might not have checked with Hades at all, since they first searched the earth for Hercules, and Hades's dominion is the Underworld - so they might have avoided checking there out of AdultFear.Adult Fear. And time might move differently to the Gods on Olympus. They're immortal, so maybe eighteen years is a drop in the bucket to them, and they hadn't mentioned it to Hades yet.
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*If Hades fell down the river of souls at the end, who runs the underworld now?
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*** Novel? Do you mean "Go to the distance"?
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***Novel? Do you mean "Go to distance"?
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Don't accuse me of making things up. As I stated in the entry, I read somewhere that that's how the series ended in order to rectify this plot hole.
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** I've heard that they fixed this at the end of the series by having Hades, Pain, and Panic (and possibly Hercules - I don't recall) all be doused with water from the River Lethe, only a single drop of which would cause you to forget even who you were
*** No that didn’t happen. Why make up something that can be verified?
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*** No that didn’t happen. Why make up something that can be verified?
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** I've heard that they fixed this at the end of the series by having Hades, Pain, and Panic (and possibly Hercules - I don't recall) all be doused with water from the River Lethe, only a single drop of which would cause you to forget even who you were.
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** I've heard that they fixed this at the end of the series by having Hades, Pain, and Panic (and possibly Hercules - I don't recall) all be doused with water from the River Lethe, only a single drop of which would cause you to forget even who you were.were
***No that didn’t happen. Why make up something that can be verified?
***No that didn’t happen. Why make up something that can be verified?
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** It's also possible that Meg simply didn't think of it at the time; she was more concerned over the fact that Hercules is rushing off on a suicide mission. Not to mention that she could have assumed that Hades would have something set up to ''actively'' prevent her from getting hurt; sure, she's been working for Hades long enough to know that LoopholeAbuse is a thing, but considering just how much work Hades had been putting into his Titan plan, it's pretty reasonable to make the assumption that he would be taking precautions to ensure that his end of the deal doesn't get broken.
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Meg clearly does want freedom; Hades gets her to do things by shortening and lengthening her sentence depending on how she performs them, and she's clearly annoyed whenever the latter happens as she wants to get off sooner rather than later. And right as he offers her her freedom in exchange for helping take out Hercules, he says it's what she wants most in the entire cosmos.
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** Meg doesn't necessarily ''want'' freedom so much as she wasn't expecting to be offered it. She traded her soul to Hades in exchange for her boyfriend's life. And after having her heart broken, she was content to just do as Hades asked. Hades probably didn't need to do anything to keep her in line, because what else would she do? It's only when she fell for Hercules that she started to consider a life outside of Hades's service.
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