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** In the [[ComicBook/GhostbustersIDWComics IDW Comics]], Dean Yeager is interviewed by Rebecca Morales about the firing after the events of the movie. He stands by his decision but admits the university still benefited as the Ghostbusters' actions led to a huge increase of alumni donations.
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** Small correction on that. Vinz declares "all prisoners will be released" in a manner that implies he is not talking about the ghosts but that freeing all those imprisoned to run rampant as society collapses is part of Gozer's shtick as Gozer maximizes the destruction or suffering involved in its arrival. Vinz just doesn't realize that the horse is a domesticated animal rather then a slave or criminal being used for forced labor.
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** Suming it all up Gozer seems to need four/five things to turn up.
*** First a gateway, being from outside our world Gozer needs a designated way in. Though pointedly form seems to be secondary to symbolism of the gate. It needs to look the way Gozer wants it to look but physically building a gateway and carving the right appearance on a rockwall are both acceptable.
*** Second a pool of PKE, again being from outside our world it takes a lot of power for Gozer to bridge the gap between worlds to enter. So a lot of spiritual turbulence in one spot though the specific form whether it be ghosts or charged mood slime is not important. Quality of the gate and rituals done likely effects the needed amount of power.
*** Third is anchors, a connection that is both of this world and of Gozer allowing the two to mesh so that Gozer can remain stable in whatever world they visit. Vinz and Zuul, the terror dogs, seem to serve this function latching onto a pair of natives then doing something spiritually significant to forge the necessary connection.
*** Fourth a cult of followers to perform necessary rituals. Gozer needs to tailor the gate and specifics of the summoning to each world, as a result there needs to be a cult willing to commune with Gozer who will impart the necessary details as well as taking actions to create the necessary spiritual turbulence with things like human sacrifice.
*** Fifth a native to choose the destroyer, though this might not actually be necessary for Gozer to arrive. In Ghostbusters Gozer does demand someone choose the form of their destruction but Afterlife has her stay in the arrival form instead. It's unclear if this is necessary but still seems to be part of normal operations.
** So Shandor and his followers built Sumervile as a summoning point carving the gateway as well as setting up the summoning pit to naturally collect spiritual turbulence but it was going to take a long time. Somewhere along the line Shandor thought to use modern technology and his understanding of the supernatural to speed things along building a skyscraper that would collect spiritual energy way faster as well as having a better gateway. Only he got his math wrong and Central Park West didn't go off when he expected so he wrote that off as a failure resorting to the Sumerville plan instead.
*** First a gateway, being from outside our world Gozer needs a designated way in. Though pointedly form seems to be secondary to symbolism of the gate. It needs to look the way Gozer wants it to look but physically building a gateway and carving the right appearance on a rockwall are both acceptable.
*** Second a pool of PKE, again being from outside our world it takes a lot of power for Gozer to bridge the gap between worlds to enter. So a lot of spiritual turbulence in one spot though the specific form whether it be ghosts or charged mood slime is not important. Quality of the gate and rituals done likely effects the needed amount of power.
*** Third is anchors, a connection that is both of this world and of Gozer allowing the two to mesh so that Gozer can remain stable in whatever world they visit. Vinz and Zuul, the terror dogs, seem to serve this function latching onto a pair of natives then doing something spiritually significant to forge the necessary connection.
*** Fourth a cult of followers to perform necessary rituals. Gozer needs to tailor the gate and specifics of the summoning to each world, as a result there needs to be a cult willing to commune with Gozer who will impart the necessary details as well as taking actions to create the necessary spiritual turbulence with things like human sacrifice.
*** Fifth a native to choose the destroyer, though this might not actually be necessary for Gozer to arrive. In Ghostbusters Gozer does demand someone choose the form of their destruction but Afterlife has her stay in the arrival form instead. It's unclear if this is necessary but still seems to be part of normal operations.
** So Shandor and his followers built Sumervile as a summoning point carving the gateway as well as setting up the summoning pit to naturally collect spiritual turbulence but it was going to take a long time. Somewhere along the line Shandor thought to use modern technology and his understanding of the supernatural to speed things along building a skyscraper that would collect spiritual energy way faster as well as having a better gateway. Only he got his math wrong and Central Park West didn't go off when he expected so he wrote that off as a failure resorting to the Sumerville plan instead.
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** "Why didn't Vinz torment Louis"? He literally smashes his apartment up and hunts him through a park. I'd call that pretty tormenting. He's just less subtle about it than Zuul.
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* I'd thought it was the opposite, that Gozer trying to enter our dimension was the reason so many ghosts appeared in New York over the previous few months. I'm not sure if anything confirms that though.
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*** Some dates are seen in the temple in ''Film/GhostbustersAfterlife'' that correspond to things like the Krakatoa eruption, TunguskaEvent and World War II. Implying that Gozer might have caused those.
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** This is in fact a common mistake that startups make - wasting initial capital on fun things like air hockey, table football etc. to make the office a fun and cool place to work. It's very tempting - you're dizzy on the freedom from not having a boss, you can do what you want all day long, you can spend this money however you choose - and it seems like a small percentage of the capital.
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*** Please tell me you don't carry Thorazine around for the express purposes of drugging your dates when you get bored with them...
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** Maybe they already owned the machines and just moved them? Or maybe they were left behind in the firehouse--firefighters need to keep entertained in downtime, after all.
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* After Ray points out that their Chinese take-out was purchased with the last of their petty cash, we see a PersonalArcade as the trio head off on their first major job. WHY buy arcade machines and a pinball table when starting up a business and being strapped for cash? Even if we assume they got those machines secondhand, Ray fixing them up and/or Peter using smooth talk to haggle a price, those machines would not have been cheap.
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* After Ray points out that their Chinese take-out was purchased with the last of their petty cash, we see a PersonalArcade as the trio head off on their first major job. WHY buy arcade machines and a pinball table when starting up a business and being strapped for cash? Even if we assume they got those machines secondhand, Ray fixing them up and/or Peter using smooth talk to haggle a price, those machines would not have been cheap.
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** And even if he had a point in the beginning, he's definitely stopped having one when the Con-Ed guy -- who presumably knows a metric fuckton more about complicated electronic systems than a pen-pushing bureaucrat like Peck -- nervously informs him that he's never seen a set-up like this as if to say 'maybe we shouldn't be too hasty about this' before only for Peck to shout "I'm not interested in your opinion!" That's informed advice he's shouting down there. While ignoring the Ghostbsuers' warnings might be justified if he genuinely believes that they're frauds and that they'r opposed to it because they don't want to be exposed, ignoring the Con-Ed guy's warning is less forgivable. He also tells the cop to shoot Venkman if he tries to intervene, to which the cop tells him off. For all his high-and-mighty act, it should be pretty clear by then that Peck's just on a power-trip.
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** And even if he had a point in the beginning, he's definitely stopped having one when the Con-Ed guy -- who presumably knows a metric fuckton more about complicated electronic systems than a pen-pushing bureaucrat like Peck -- nervously informs him that he's never seen a set-up like this as if to say 'maybe we shouldn't be too hasty about this' before only for Peck to shout "I'm not interested in your opinion!" That's informed advice he's shouting down there. While ignoring the Ghostbsuers' Ghostbusters' warnings might be justified if he genuinely believes that they're frauds and that they'r they're opposed to it because they don't want to be exposed, ignoring the Con-Ed guy's warning is less forgivable. He also tells the cop to shoot Venkman if he tries to intervene, to which the cop tells him off. For all his high-and-mighty act, it should be pretty clear by then that Peck's just on a power-trip.
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*** Given the movie's clear pro-capitalism bent, Peck is also supposed to be a caricature of officious government regulators. He's deliberately exaggerated for comic value.
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*** Given the movie's clear pro-capitalism bent, Peck is also supposed to be a caricature of officious government regulators. He's The real EPA was probably not this gung-ho under Reagan but Peck is deliberately exaggerated for comic / satiric value.
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Yes yes, the film's evil Reaganite propaganda, but holy heck someone seems really determined to grind their axe about it on this page. It's a forty-year-old comedy, people.
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*** From a Doylist perspective, Peck is probably a right-wing caricature of what the EPA stands for. WebVideo/RenegadeCut made a strong case that this film is Reaganite propaganda (which [[WordOfGod Ivan Reitman himself admitted]]), and this explains why the film villifies college professors and government officials (with the conspicuous exception of police and military) while lionizing a bunch of guys starting their own business while flouting safety regulations (i.e. the ''nuclear backpacks.''). [[{{Applicability}} On the other hand]], you could also argue that Peck is the sort of person Reagan's Administration would hire to [[SabotageToDiscredit make the EPA look bad]].
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*** From a Doylist perspective, Given the movie's clear pro-capitalism bent, Peck is probably also supposed to be a right-wing caricature of what the EPA stands for. WebVideo/RenegadeCut made a strong case that this film is Reaganite propaganda (which [[WordOfGod Ivan Reitman himself admitted]]), and this explains why the film villifies college professors and officious government officials (with the conspicuous exception of police and military) while lionizing a bunch of guys starting their own business while flouting safety regulations (i.e. the ''nuclear backpacks.''). [[{{Applicability}} On the other hand]], you could also argue that Peck is the sort of person Reagan's Administration would hire to [[SabotageToDiscredit make the EPA look bad]].regulators. He's deliberately exaggerated for comic value.
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** Vinz Clortho isn't exactly the brains of the operation. He may not have the ''imagination'' to pull eerie stunts on Louis like Zuul did on Dana.
