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* I don't know how this was handled in the manga and light novels, but why do the foreign SF operators in the anime lack standard things such as night vision when the JSDF SF has proper kit? I understand this story is a JSDF wank but, for the [[YanksWithTanks Americans]] especially, [[CriticalResearchFailure who have all the assets necessary located in Japan already]], undertaking a politically risky operation without the right gear and aerial/orbital observation to identify hostiles like the JSDF does with their observation helicopter feels ham-fisted.
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* I don't know how this was handled in the manga and light novels, but why do the foreign SF operators in the anime lack standard things such as night vision when the JSDF SF has proper kit? I understand this story is a JSDF wank but, for the [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks Americans]] especially, [[CriticalResearchFailure who have all the assets necessary located in Japan already]], undertaking a politically risky operation without the right gear and aerial/orbital observation to identify hostiles like the JSDF does with their observation helicopter feels ham-fisted.
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** One of the things which irks many non-Far Right Japanese who watch this series is they go quickly from "We defend our nation from hostile forces who come from mysterious gate." to "Let's conquer the land at other end of gate and find resources!"
*** While their stated goal to "Find the ones responsible to attack to Ginza and make them pay" do progress alongside "go there and resources" yet it take "backseat" spotlight. They know the attack must be approved by Emperor or, at least, a bunch of prominent Imperial men and they take diplomatic actions seriously but the military actions are very prominent.
*** While their stated goal to "Find the ones responsible to attack to Ginza and make them pay" do progress alongside "go there and resources" yet it take "backseat" spotlight. They know the attack must be approved by Emperor or, at least, a bunch of prominent Imperial men and they take diplomatic actions seriously but the military actions are very prominent.
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* Briefly addressed in volume 2, chapter 15. Japan is carefully sterilizing all vehicles going through the Gate in either direction. This obviously requires the drivers undergo through hygiene and medical checks as well. So, yes, steps are clearly being taken to prevent "The Plague" from being unleashed on either side. We, the audience, are just simply not having them described in exquisite, exhaustive detail.
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* Goblins don't reside near Alnus. In Manga, [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment after Incident of Ginza you don't see may orcs, trolls, or goblins]]. The reason is the regions where those two races reside are not near Alnus or southern Imperial area. While many both agile CuteMonsterGirl workers are Clan Formal's maids or even mercenaries and agile male PettingZooPeople are mercenaries that guard the trade caravan. Meanwhile, slower goblins and trolls are more suited to Empire's Army that battle like Roman Legion. Further evidence in noble POW's memory of Incident of Ginza, the goblins and trolls also marched back to Gate and captured.
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** Better yet, why did they still execute a risky operation at all infuriates me. They carry on with little intel, few gears, small arms, no body armor at all, no reinforcement, and no clear retreat path, or in hindsight [[AndThenWhat no clear next step]] and, if and only if, they do successful they would get the ire of Earthen nations in general and Japan in particular because of interrupting diplomatic process. I can only think author put Battle at Hakone to make JSDF looks strong not only to people on the other side of gate but also to Earthen forces.
*** Or my point is, the mystery of nobody of those so-called Special Force Group(s) have any thought "Itami and his guests at Hakone" info might be a trap and they still executed risky operation with difficulty that I mentioned above, when people at military are drilled [[KnowWhenToFoldThem to know when to fight and when to call it quits.]]
* Goblins don't reside near Alnus. In Manga, [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment after Incident of Ginza you don't see may orcs, trolls, or goblins]]. The reason isthe regions where those two races don't reside are not near Alnus or southern Imperial area. While many both agile CuteMonsterGirl workers are Clan Formal's maids or even mercenaries and agile male PettingZooPeople are mercenaries that guard the trade caravan. Meanwhile, slower goblins and trolls are more suited to Empire's Army doctrine that battle like Roman Legion. Further evidence in noble POW's memory of Incident of Ginza, the goblins and trolls also marched back to Gate and captured.
*** Or my point is, the mystery of nobody of those so-called Special Force Group(s) have any thought "Itami and his guests at Hakone" info might be a trap and they still executed risky operation with difficulty that I mentioned above, when people at military are drilled [[KnowWhenToFoldThem to know when to fight and when to call it quits.]]
* Goblins don't reside near Alnus. In Manga, [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment after Incident of Ginza you don't see may orcs, trolls, or goblins]]. The reason is
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** Because Gate is an [[{{EvilColonialist}} imperialist]] [[{{PowerFantasy}} fantasy]] where everything is made from the outset to make [[{{CreatorProvincialism}} Japan]] [[{{CulturalPosturing}} look good]]. The series starts by Japan [[{{ItsAllAboutMe}} unilaterally]] [[{{LetNoCrisisGoToWaste}} annexing]] the unknown lands and [[{{UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans}} proceeds]] to [[{{DirtyBusiness}} kill, intimidate and blackmail]] to [[{{TakeOverTheWorld}} control the lands]] and [[{{Plunder}} take]] their natural resources. JSDF is an [[{{TheAce}} absurdly competent]] infallible {{Mary Sue}} that doesn't [[{{Invincible Hero}} ever lose]] any of their [[{{CurbStompBattle}} hilariously one-sided]] battles. There is zero suspense in any action scene, the only question is [[{{NoHoldsBarredBeatdown}} if any]] of their opponents [[{{Senseless Sacrifice}} will survive]]. Their conveniently technologically [[{{EasilyThwartedAlienInvasion}} inferior opponent]] is denied [[{{HomeFieldAdvantage}} most]] [[{{OurMonstersAreDifferent}} assets]] [[{{MagicAndPowers}} that]] a [[{{WizardsAndWitches}} fantasy]] [[{{GeniusLoci}} world]] [[{{PhysicalGod}} might]] [[{{TheChosenOne}} provide]] them and make the conflict [[{{TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot}} interesting]]. [[{{TheAce}} Lelei]] and [[{{StoryBreakerPower}} Rory]] immediately join them to stack the odds further. As if this wasn't enough, everyone going against JSDF is just [[{{IdiotBall}} generally]] [[{{VillainBall}} inept]] to secure futility of their struggle. Natives are either [[{{ForeignCultureFetish}} fawning]] [[{{HollywoodNatives}} simpletons]] or [[{{AttackAttackAttack}} suicidally aggressive]] [[{{TheNativesAreRestless}} savages]] and no tears are shed for the latter as they are [[{{WhatMeasureIsAMook}} unceremoniously slaughtered]]. And [[{{ObstructiveBureaucrat}} nobody]] [[{{StrawmanPolitical}} is allowed]] to mount reasonable [[{{WhatTheHellHero}} criticism]] [[{{ProtagonistCenteredMorality}} against]] [[{{DesignatedHero}} them]], even when it's shown that they will aid natives only when convenient and will make zero sacrifice for them. [[{{LaResistance}} Opposing them]] is never presented as a justifiable action and the carnage they cause is [[{{GoryDiscretionShot}} hardly shown]]. As a result, JSDF come out looking just a bit better than their more [[{{RapePillageAndBurn}} traditional opponents]]. Oh, and they have all-but-explicit endorsement of Emroy, god of war and death.
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** Because Gate is an [[{{EvilColonialist}} imperialist]] [[{{PowerFantasy}} fantasy]] where everything is made from the outset to make [[{{CreatorProvincialism}} Japan]] [[{{CulturalPosturing}} look good]]. The series starts by Japan [[{{ItsAllAboutMe}} unilaterally]] [[{{LetNoCrisisGoToWaste}} annexing]] the unknown lands and [[{{UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans}} proceeds]] to [[{{DirtyBusiness}} kill, intimidate and blackmail]] to [[{{TakeOverTheWorld}} control the lands]] and [[{{Plunder}} take]] their natural resources. JSDF is an [[{{TheAce}} absurdly competent]] infallible {{Mary Sue}} that doesn't [[{{Invincible Hero}} ever lose]] any of their [[{{CurbStompBattle}} hilariously one-sided]] battles. There is zero suspense in any action scene, the only question is [[{{NoHoldsBarredBeatdown}} if any]] of their opponents [[{{Senseless Sacrifice}} will survive]]. Their conveniently technologically [[{{EasilyThwartedAlienInvasion}} inferior opponent]] is denied [[{{HomeFieldAdvantage}} most]] [[{{OurMonstersAreDifferent}} assets]] [[{{MagicAndPowers}} that]] a [[{{WizardsAndWitches}} fantasy]] [[{{GeniusLoci}} world]] [[{{PhysicalGod}} might]] [[{{TheChosenOne}} provide]] them and make the conflict [[{{TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot}} interesting]]. [[{{TheAce}} Lelei]] and [[{{StoryBreakerPower}} Rory]] immediately join them to stack the odds further. As if this wasn't enough, everyone going against JSDF is just [[{{IdiotBall}} generally]] [[{{VillainBall}} inept]] to secure futility of their struggle. Natives are either [[{{ForeignCultureFetish}} fawning]] [[{{HollywoodNatives}} simpletons]] or [[{{AttackAttackAttack}} suicidally aggressive]] [[{{TheNativesAreRestless}} savages]] and no tears are shed for the latter as they are [[{{WhatMeasureIsAMook}} unceremoniously slaughtered]]. And [[{{ObstructiveBureaucrat}} nobody]] [[{{StrawmanPolitical}} is allowed]] to mount reasonable [[{{WhatTheHellHero}} criticism]] [[{{ProtagonistCenteredMorality}} against]] [[{{DesignatedHero}} them]], even when it's shown that they will aid natives only when convenient and will make zero sacrifice for them. [[{{LaResistance}} Opposing them]] is never presented as a justifiable action and the carnage they cause is [[{{GoryDiscretionShot}} hardly shown]]. As a result, JSDF come out looking just a bit better than their more [[{{RapePillageAndBurn}} traditional opponents]]. Oh, and they have all-but-explicit endorsement of Emroy, god of war and death.death.
* Assuming that the new Alnus-Ginza gate that Lelei opens at the end of the first season of the novels has the same dimensions as the previous gate, how are they managing to get an Oyashio-class submarine through the damn thing? And assuming it does fit, how are they going to transport it from....for example, Yokosuka, all the way into the heart of Tokyo, through the Gate, and then from there to the closest body of blue water?
* Assuming that the new Alnus-Ginza gate that Lelei opens at the end of the first season of the novels has the same dimensions as the previous gate, how are they managing to get an Oyashio-class submarine through the damn thing? And assuming it does fit, how are they going to transport it from....for example, Yokosuka, all the way into the heart of Tokyo, through the Gate, and then from there to the closest body of blue water?
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** Because we are talking ''IN'' an about the English-speaking segment of the Internet, which ''is'' heavily dominated by the Americans and their culture? And [[{{Eagleland}} they]] ''[[{{Eagleland}} are]]'' known to be the [[PatrioticFervor fiercely patriotic]] fans of CulturalPosturing (see the whole Manifest Destiny thing), who have a long and complex history with the Japanese. So, for a large nimber of American population, a mere though of Japanese revanchism (even as mild as GATE is) is, understandably, a very controversial thing.
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** Because we are talking ''IN'' an and about the English-speaking segment of the Internet, which ''is'' heavily dominated by the Americans and their culture? And [[{{Eagleland}} they]] ''[[{{Eagleland}} are]]'' known to be the [[PatrioticFervor fiercely patriotic]] fans of CulturalPosturing (see the whole Manifest Destiny thing), who have a long and complex history with the Japanese. So, for a large nimber number of American population, a mere though of Japanese revanchism (even as mild as GATE is) is, understandably, a very controversial thing.
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** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Franchise/{{Transformers}} movies have been derided for over-glorifying the US military. GATE is no different in that respect.
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** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Franchise/{{Transformers}} movies have been derided for over-glorifying the US military. GATE is no different in that respect.respect.
** Because Gate is an [[{{EvilColonialist}} imperialist]] [[{{PowerFantasy}} fantasy]] where everything is made from the outset to make [[{{CreatorProvincialism}} Japan]] [[{{CulturalPosturing}} look good]]. The series starts by Japan [[{{ItsAllAboutMe}} unilaterally]] [[{{LetNoCrisisGoToWaste}} annexing]] the unknown lands and [[{{UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans}} proceeds]] to [[{{DirtyBusiness}} kill, intimidate and blackmail]] to [[{{TakeOverTheWorld}} control the lands]] and [[{{Plunder}} take]] their natural resources. JSDF is an [[{{TheAce}} absurdly competent]] infallible {{Mary Sue}} that doesn't [[{{Invincible Hero}} ever lose]] any of their [[{{CurbStompBattle}} hilariously one-sided]] battles. There is zero suspense in any action scene, the only question is [[{{NoHoldsBarredBeatdown}} if any]] of their opponents [[{{Senseless Sacrifice}} will survive]]. Their conveniently technologically [[{{EasilyThwartedAlienInvasion}} inferior opponent]] is denied [[{{HomeFieldAdvantage}} most]] [[{{OurMonstersAreDifferent}} assets]] [[{{MagicAndPowers}} that]] a [[{{WizardsAndWitches}} fantasy]] [[{{GeniusLoci}} world]] [[{{PhysicalGod}} might]] [[{{TheChosenOne}} provide]] them and make the conflict [[{{TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot}} interesting]]. [[{{TheAce}} Lelei]] and [[{{StoryBreakerPower}} Rory]] immediately join them to stack the odds further. As if this wasn't enough, everyone going against JSDF is just [[{{IdiotBall}} generally]] [[{{VillainBall}} inept]] to secure futility of their struggle. Natives are either [[{{ForeignCultureFetish}} fawning]] [[{{HollywoodNatives}} simpletons]] or [[{{AttackAttackAttack}} suicidally aggressive]] [[{{TheNativesAreRestless}} savages]] and no tears are shed for the latter as they are [[{{WhatMeasureIsAMook}} unceremoniously slaughtered]]. And [[{{ObstructiveBureaucrat}} nobody]] [[{{StrawmanPolitical}} is allowed]] to mount reasonable [[{{WhatTheHellHero}} criticism]] [[{{ProtagonistCenteredMorality}} against]] [[{{DesignatedHero}} them]], even when it's shown that they will aid natives only when convenient and will make zero sacrifice for them. [[{{LaResistance}} Opposing them]] is never presented as a justifiable action and the carnage they cause is [[{{GoryDiscretionShot}} hardly shown]]. As a result, JSDF come out looking just a bit better than their more [[{{RapePillageAndBurn}} traditional opponents]]. Oh, and they have all-but-explicit endorsement of Emroy, god of war and death.
** Because Gate is an [[{{EvilColonialist}} imperialist]] [[{{PowerFantasy}} fantasy]] where everything is made from the outset to make [[{{CreatorProvincialism}} Japan]] [[{{CulturalPosturing}} look good]]. The series starts by Japan [[{{ItsAllAboutMe}} unilaterally]] [[{{LetNoCrisisGoToWaste}} annexing]] the unknown lands and [[{{UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans}} proceeds]] to [[{{DirtyBusiness}} kill, intimidate and blackmail]] to [[{{TakeOverTheWorld}} control the lands]] and [[{{Plunder}} take]] their natural resources. JSDF is an [[{{TheAce}} absurdly competent]] infallible {{Mary Sue}} that doesn't [[{{Invincible Hero}} ever lose]] any of their [[{{CurbStompBattle}} hilariously one-sided]] battles. There is zero suspense in any action scene, the only question is [[{{NoHoldsBarredBeatdown}} if any]] of their opponents [[{{Senseless Sacrifice}} will survive]]. Their conveniently technologically [[{{EasilyThwartedAlienInvasion}} inferior opponent]] is denied [[{{HomeFieldAdvantage}} most]] [[{{OurMonstersAreDifferent}} assets]] [[{{MagicAndPowers}} that]] a [[{{WizardsAndWitches}} fantasy]] [[{{GeniusLoci}} world]] [[{{PhysicalGod}} might]] [[{{TheChosenOne}} provide]] them and make the conflict [[{{TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot}} interesting]]. [[{{TheAce}} Lelei]] and [[{{StoryBreakerPower}} Rory]] immediately join them to stack the odds further. As if this wasn't enough, everyone going against JSDF is just [[{{IdiotBall}} generally]] [[{{VillainBall}} inept]] to secure futility of their struggle. Natives are either [[{{ForeignCultureFetish}} fawning]] [[{{HollywoodNatives}} simpletons]] or [[{{AttackAttackAttack}} suicidally aggressive]] [[{{TheNativesAreRestless}} savages]] and no tears are shed for the latter as they are [[{{WhatMeasureIsAMook}} unceremoniously slaughtered]]. And [[{{ObstructiveBureaucrat}} nobody]] [[{{StrawmanPolitical}} is allowed]] to mount reasonable [[{{WhatTheHellHero}} criticism]] [[{{ProtagonistCenteredMorality}} against]] [[{{DesignatedHero}} them]], even when it's shown that they will aid natives only when convenient and will make zero sacrifice for them. [[{{LaResistance}} Opposing them]] is never presented as a justifiable action and the carnage they cause is [[{{GoryDiscretionShot}} hardly shown]]. As a result, JSDF come out looking just a bit better than their more [[{{RapePillageAndBurn}} traditional opponents]]. Oh, and they have all-but-explicit endorsement of Emroy, god of war and death.
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** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Franchise/Transformers movies have been derided for over-glorifying the US military. GATE is no different in that respect.
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** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Franchise/Transformers Franchise/{{Transformers}} movies have been derided for over-glorifying the US military. GATE is no different in that respect.
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** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Film/Transformers movieshave been derided for over-glorifying the US military. GATE is no different in that respect.
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** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Film/Transformers movieshave Franchise/Transformers movies have been derided for over-glorifying the US military. GATE is no different in that respect.
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** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Transformers have Film/Transformers movieshave been derided for over-glorifying the US military.military. GATE is no different in that respect.
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** Because we are talking ''IN'' an about the English-speaking segment of the Internet, which ''is'' heavily dominated by the Americans and their culture? And [[{{Eagleland}} they]] ''[[{{Eagleland}} are]]'' known to be the [[PatrioticFervor fiercely patriotic]] fans of CulturalPosturing (see the whole Manifest Destiny thing), who have a long and complex history with the Japanese. So, for a large nimber of American population, a mere though of Japanese revanchism (even as mild as GATE is) is, understandably, a very controversial thing.
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** Because we are talking ''IN'' an about the English-speaking segment of the Internet, which ''is'' heavily dominated by the Americans and their culture? And [[{{Eagleland}} they]] ''[[{{Eagleland}} are]]'' known to be the [[PatrioticFervor fiercely patriotic]] fans of CulturalPosturing (see the whole Manifest Destiny thing), who have a long and complex history with the Japanese. So, for a large nimber of American population, a mere though of Japanese revanchism (even as mild as GATE is) is, understandably, a very controversial thing.thing.
** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Transformers have been derided for over-glorifying the US military.
** If this show was about America doing the same thing it would be just as hated. Michael Bay's Transformers have been derided for over-glorifying the US military.
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* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "Painting JSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work compares it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 didn't do or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?
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* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "Painting JSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work compares it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 didn't do or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?protagonist?
** Because we are talking ''IN'' an about the English-speaking segment of the Internet, which ''is'' heavily dominated by the Americans and their culture? And [[{{Eagleland}} they]] ''[[{{Eagleland}} are]]'' known to be the [[PatrioticFervor fiercely patriotic]] fans of CulturalPosturing (see the whole Manifest Destiny thing), who have a long and complex history with the Japanese. So, for a large nimber of American population, a mere though of Japanese revanchism (even as mild as GATE is) is, understandably, a very controversial thing.
** Because we are talking ''IN'' an about the English-speaking segment of the Internet, which ''is'' heavily dominated by the Americans and their culture? And [[{{Eagleland}} they]] ''[[{{Eagleland}} are]]'' known to be the [[PatrioticFervor fiercely patriotic]] fans of CulturalPosturing (see the whole Manifest Destiny thing), who have a long and complex history with the Japanese. So, for a large nimber of American population, a mere though of Japanese revanchism (even as mild as GATE is) is, understandably, a very controversial thing.
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* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "Painting JSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work compares it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 did or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?
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* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "Painting JSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work compares it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 did didn't do or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?
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* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "PaintingJSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work comapres it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 did or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?
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* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "PaintingJSDF "Painting JSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work comapres compares it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 did or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?
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** They don't fully understand the situation, which in itself warrants sending covert scouts. Further, the JSDF don't want to catch innocent civilians in the crossfire, so sending a covert-ops team to spirit him away in the middle of the night is their best option.
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** They don't fully understand the situation, which in itself warrants sending covert scouts. Further, the JSDF don't want to catch innocent civilians in the crossfire, so sending a covert-ops team to spirit him away in the middle of the night is their best option.option.
* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "PaintingJSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work comapres it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 did or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?
* This series has been often derided as a "right-wing propaganda", "Japanesewank" and "PaintingJSDF in better light they really are", to sum up common complaints. Hell, even the description of the work comapres it to LightNovel/OutbreakCompany claiming that Outbreak Company is more "civilized". However, as far as the series actually goes, nothing it does is not something that say, Series/StargateSG1 did or any other "Nation X comes in contact with Y". So why is it that this specific work gets so much hate? Is it because, for once, it doesn't have [[AmericaSavesTheDay Americans]] as the pure and superior protagonist?
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* How do they reconcile the presence of Gods and magic in the other side of the gate when the anime and light novel makes it clear that the Earth there is basically the same as our real life world? Does the light novel franchise imply that magic and God also exists in our world but that we simply focused on science? Or that the magic on the other side can be explained by scientific reasons and the Gods (Hardy, Enloy) are simply powerful creatures worshipped as deities by the population?
** Also worth taking note is that Lelei was able to improve her magic using knowledge of science and chemistry learned from our world, implying that the Special Region's magic has a scientific component on it.
** And that in Episode 18 of the anime, Giselle, a demigoddess and an apostle of the God Hardy was easily defeated by the JSDF. When she tamed two baby dragons named Towato and Mowto, the JSDF was able to easily destroy the two dragons using self-propelled artillery and close air support and Giselle cowered in fear in sight of the the attack helicopters.
** Also worth taking note is that Lelei was able to improve her magic using knowledge of science and chemistry learned from our world, implying that the Special Region's magic has a scientific component on it.
** And that in Episode 18 of the anime, Giselle, a demigoddess and an apostle of the God Hardy was easily defeated by the JSDF. When she tamed two baby dragons named Towato and Mowto, the JSDF was able to easily destroy the two dragons using self-propelled artillery and close air support and Giselle cowered in fear in sight of the the attack helicopters.
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** Volume 8 expands on the above. When Furuta considers assassinating Zorzal, Tyuule calmly tells him that even if he should succeed, not only would doing so completely de-stabilize the situation among those loyal to Zorzal (Helm, Kurastra, etc.) and the pro-war senators, but that it's highly likely that whoever rises up to take Zorzal's place would be worse. Thus, the only way to guarantee change in the corrupt system Zorzal set up is to crush it so completely that it never rises again.
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* During episode 7, the rest of Recon Group 3 perform a covert rescue operation for Itami, who was previously captured by the then unaware Rose Knights. Was it really necessary for them to do so? Itami was taken to Italica, the town they just saved previously, so it would make more sense for them to just drive back to the Formal Mansion and ask Princess Pina to release Itami. Even if the rest of the Rose Knights decided to attack them, all they would be doing is incurring the wrath of their Princess. Also, they have Rory with them. If anything, her presence with the Recon Team would all but assure them that they can just walk back to the mansion without anybody daring to lay a finger on them.
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* During episode 7, the rest of Recon Group 3 perform a covert rescue operation for Itami, who was previously captured by the then unaware Rose Knights. Was it really necessary for them to do so? Itami was taken to Italica, the town they just saved previously, so it would make more sense for them to just drive back to the Formal Mansion and ask Princess Pina to release Itami. Even if the rest of the Rose Knights decided to attack them, all they would be doing is incurring the wrath of their Princess. Also, they have Rory with them. If anything, her presence with the Recon Team would all but assure them that they can just walk back to the mansion without anybody daring to lay a finger on them.them.
** They don't fully understand the situation, which in itself warrants sending covert scouts. Further, the JSDF don't want to catch innocent civilians in the crossfire, so sending a covert-ops team to spirit him away in the middle of the night is their best option.
** They don't fully understand the situation, which in itself warrants sending covert scouts. Further, the JSDF don't want to catch innocent civilians in the crossfire, so sending a covert-ops team to spirit him away in the middle of the night is their best option.
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* During episode 7, the rest of Recon Group 3 perform a covert rescue operation for Itami, who was previously captured by the then unaware Rose Knights. Was it really necessary for them to do so? Itami was taken to Italica, the town they just saved previously, so it would make more sense for them to just drive back to the Formal Mansion and ask Princess Pina to release Itami. Even if the rest of the Rose Knights decided to attack them, all they would be doing is incurring the wrath of their Princess.
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* During episode 7, the rest of Recon Group 3 perform a covert rescue operation for Itami, who was previously captured by the then unaware Rose Knights. Was it really necessary for them to do so? Itami was taken to Italica, the town they just saved previously, so it would make more sense for them to just drive back to the Formal Mansion and ask Princess Pina to release Itami. Even if the rest of the Rose Knights decided to attack them, all they would be doing is incurring the wrath of their Princess. Also, they have Rory with them. If anything, her presence with the Recon Team would all but assure them that they can just walk back to the mansion without anybody daring to lay a finger on them.
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** RevengeBeforeReason. She hates The Empire for what it did to her, and she hates the Warrior Bunnies for thinking she sold them out so basically she wants them all to burn at the hands of the [=JSDF=].
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** RevengeBeforeReason. She hates The Empire for what it did to her, and she hates the Warrior Bunnies for thinking she sold them out so basically she wants them all to burn at the hands of the [=JSDF=].[=JSDF=].
* During episode 7, the rest of Recon Group 3 perform a covert rescue operation for Itami, who was previously captured by the then unaware Rose Knights. Was it really necessary for them to do so? Itami was taken to Italica, the town they just saved previously, so it would make more sense for them to just drive back to the Formal Mansion and ask Princess Pina to release Itami. Even if the rest of the Rose Knights decided to attack them, all they would be doing is incurring the wrath of their Princess.
* During episode 7, the rest of Recon Group 3 perform a covert rescue operation for Itami, who was previously captured by the then unaware Rose Knights. Was it really necessary for them to do so? Itami was taken to Italica, the town they just saved previously, so it would make more sense for them to just drive back to the Formal Mansion and ask Princess Pina to release Itami. Even if the rest of the Rose Knights decided to attack them, all they would be doing is incurring the wrath of their Princess.
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* So why doesn't Tyuule just kill Zolzal instead of [[spoiler: going through a complicated revenge scheme to take down the entire Empire?]] I get that she would probably get executed on the spot, but it doesn't seem like she values her own life that much. Why not take the straightforward
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route and spare innocent lives?
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* So why doesn't Tyuule just kill Zolzal instead of [[spoiler: going through a complicated revenge scheme to take down the entire Empire?]] I get that she would probably get executed on the spot, but it doesn't seem like she values her own life that much. Why not take the straightforward
straightforward route and spare innocent lives?
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* So why doesn't Tyuule just kill Zolzal instead of [[spoiler: going through a complicated revenge scheme to take down the entire Empire?]] I get that she would probably get executed on the spot, but it doesn't seem like she values her own life that much. Why not take the straightforward route and spare innocent lives?
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* So why doesn't Tyuule just kill Zolzal instead of [[spoiler: going through a complicated revenge scheme to take down the entire Empire?]] I get that she would probably get executed on the spot, but it doesn't seem like she values her own life that much. Why not take the straightforward straightforward
route and spare innocentlives?lives?
** RevengeBeforeReason. She hates The Empire for what it did to her, and she hates the Warrior Bunnies for thinking she sold them out so basically she wants them all to burn at the hands of the [=JSDF=].
route and spare innocent
** RevengeBeforeReason. She hates The Empire for what it did to her, and she hates the Warrior Bunnies for thinking she sold them out so basically she wants them all to burn at the hands of the [=JSDF=].
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** Just [[spoiler: [[JerkassGods Hardy having fun]]]], as usual. The Gate actually opened significantly earlier than the Ginza Incident, if I remember the manga correctly, just tucked into some shadow backstreet, instead of a major intersection. [[spoiler:Hardy]] specifically did that so that the Imperials [[BatmanGambit would be lured by the prospect of a rich and defenceless world beyond and attack in force]] and get their comeuppance later —(s)he's been stated to be bored with [[MedievalStasis the state of their world]], and wanted to spice the things a bit.
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** Just [[spoiler: [[JerkassGods Hardy having fun]]]], as usual. The Gate actually opened significantly earlier than the Ginza Incident, if I remember the manga correctly, just tucked into some shadow backstreet, instead of a major intersection. [[spoiler:Hardy]] specifically did that so that the Imperials [[BatmanGambit would be lured by the prospect of a rich and defenceless world beyond and attack in force]] and get their comeuppance later —(s)he's been stated to be bored with [[MedievalStasis the state of their world]], and wanted to spice the things a bit.bit.
* So why doesn't Tyuule just kill Zolzal instead of [[spoiler: going through a complicated revenge scheme to take down the entire Empire?]] I get that she would probably get executed on the spot, but it doesn't seem like she values her own life that much. Why not take the straightforward route and spare innocent lives?
* So why doesn't Tyuule just kill Zolzal instead of [[spoiler: going through a complicated revenge scheme to take down the entire Empire?]] I get that she would probably get executed on the spot, but it doesn't seem like she values her own life that much. Why not take the straightforward route and spare innocent lives?
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** Another one for expansion. [[spoiler:Part of the reason why Hardy gets bored all the time? The world MedievalStasis is brought about by the other deities partly because they are opposed to sudden shifts in technology based on outside help. During the zombie arc, Rory forbids Itami from taking samples of a zombie for testing purposes. In the later novels, she is ordered by Emroy to destroy an oil well and refinery that the JSDF have set up in the kingdom of Elbe.]]
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** Another one for expansion. [[spoiler:Part of the reason why Hardy gets bored all the time? The world MedievalStasis is brought about by the other deities partly because they are opposed to sudden shifts in technology based on outside help. During the zombie arc, Rory forbids Itami from taking samples of a zombie for testing purposes. In the later novels, she is ordered by Emroy to destroy an oil well and refinery that the JSDF have set up in the kingdom of Elbe. Lelei, after having dodged multiple assassination attempts and survives being stabbed by Shandy, is told by Hardy herself in no uncertain terms that should she demonstrate her science-boosted magical powers again, Hardy will send apostles after her with orders to kill on sight.]]
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** Another one for expansion. [[spoiler:Part of the reason why Hardy gets bored all the time? The world MedievalStasis is brought about by the other deities partly because they are opposed to sudden shifts in technology based on outside help. During the zombie arc, Rory forbids Itami from taking samples of a zombie for testing purposes. In the later novels, she is ordered by Emroy to destroy an oil well and refinery that the JSDF have set up in the kingdom of Elbe.]]
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** The Gate existence is explained in the Anime episode 19. [[spoiler: The gods open the portal once in a while to bring in new souls to the pool from other worlds. Every race that came to the Special Area point back to Alnus as their land of origin. The Empire, one of the most recent additions to the Special Area, consider it sacred land, so they know about the portal.]]
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** The Gate Gate's existence is explained in the Anime episode 19. 19 and expands on the above spoiler [[spoiler: The gods open Whenever Hardy gets bored with the stasis of the world, she opens the portal once in a while to bring in new souls to the pool from other worlds. Every race that came to the Special Area point back to Alnus as their land of origin. The Empire, one of Humans are the most recent additions addition to the Special Area, world, when a thousand or so Franco-Romans crossed over some time in 9th century [=AD=]. The Empire that they form in the new world consider it Alnus sacred land, so they know about the portal.]]
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** The Gate existence is explained in the Anime episode 19. [[spoiler: The gods open the portal once in a while to bring in new souls to the pool from other worlds. Every race that came to the Special Area point back to Alnus as their land of origin. The Empire, one of the most recent additions to the Special Area, consider it sacred land, so they know about the portal.]]
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** When you are negotiating, you always ask for more than you want (or offer less than you are willing to give). Otherwise you have no room to move and no way to suss out what the other side is thinking.
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** Suguwara stated that the demands are based on post-war precedents, so it may not be entirely thought out for the Empire's state of economics. Its also said that he just thought of the concessions right there as the actual conditions was "Reparations are undetermined".
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** Suguwara Sugawara stated that the demands are based on post-war precedents, so it may not be entirely thought out for the Empire's state of economics. Its also said that he just thought of the concessions right there as the actual conditions was "Reparations are undetermined".
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****** At that point of time, there is no information about the enemy besides what is initially shown. Since the enemy are riding wyverns, there is no guarantee there is nothing more dangerous in the mix. There is no information about magic either. The JSDF fought defensively and only engage after the enemy proved to be aggressive and have entered into threatened territory. All countries will put their people, and by extension soldiers, first before other countries. Especially if said country just raided your cities.
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****** At that point of time, there is no information about the enemy besides what is initially shown. Since the enemy are riding wyverns, there is no guarantee there is nothing more dangerous in the mix. There is no information about magic either. The JSDF fought defensively and only engage engaged after the enemy proved to be aggressive and have entered into threatened territory. All countries will put their people, and by extension soldiers, first before other countries. Especially if said country just raided your cities.
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** Maybe its one of those things done in the background that we never see. Like EasyLogistics, its boring to actually see them do it, so they just skip over those stuff. As for isolation, well they did build a refugee camp just for the refugees. I'm sure that's not really up to standard with proper medical isolation, but its still separate than say the troop housing area.
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** Maybe its it's one of those things done in the background that we never see. Like EasyLogistics, its boring to actually see them do it, so they just skip over those stuff. As for isolation, well they did build a refugee camp just for the refugees. I'm sure that's not really up to standard with proper medical isolation, but its still separate than say the troop housing area.
