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* After her leg injury Florence mentions [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff600/fv00573.htm wanting crutches or a cane]] to walk during her recovery. Why didn't she use the one she was [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3500/fc03462.htm later revealed to have]] during their trip to the space station?
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* After her leg injury Florence mentions [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff600/fv00573.htm wanting crutches or a cane]] to walk during her recovery. Why didn't she use the one she was [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3500/fc03462.htm later revealed to have]] during their trip to the space station?
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** Considering Blunt literally says "better half a billion robots be destroyed than a single human" I'm pretty sure Blunt never considered the long term results of the genocide of the robots at all. Blunt got the idea of robots eventually becoming a threat to any humans at all into his head and it seems that he doesn't consider the fact that the elimination of the robots would be far more likely and much more immediately harm humans than having the robots. Its only afterward, when the Gardener in the Dark didn't go out and Blunt had to switch tactics to accomplish what he wanted that he started thinking about what the long term effects of the robot population would be and thus incorporating that into his arguments. Even then, Blunt is so fixated on the idea that Robots=Threat to Humanity to such an extent that he can't conceive of any solution that doesn't involve killing them all. Nor can he consider that the robots would be beneficial to humanity.
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** As for the direct order device, it seems like its an aborted ChekovsGun. Its introduced and Sam steals it, but it never comes up again.
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** Ignoring those messages turned out to be a very good thing. Had she been at the meeting or read those messages, she would have been told everything was fine, and she wouldn't have known differently until Gardener in the Dark went out and lobotomized the entire robot race.[[NiceJobFixingItVillain Nice job trashing her, Mr. Kornada]].
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** He wasn't in cold sleep, he was hibernating like a bear, something that his spacer genes allow.
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* Winston had himself put in cold sleep for the trip to the space station because he doesn't handle space travel well. But it's already been said that it's not safe for someone to go into cold sleep more often than once every five years. What's he going to do on the return trip?
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* Winston had himself put in cold sleep for the trip to the space station because he doesn't handle space travel well. But it's already been said that it's not safe for someone to go into cold sleep more often than once every five years. What's he going to do on the return trip?
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** And it's now brought up that robots would render the entire Bowman's wolf project completely pointless, and the response? "Please don't kill the one reason my species exists."
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** Best answer to this is that reverse-chirality is likely to be *extremely* hostile to humans; imagine a planet where everything organic triggered a severe allergic reaction and/or was poisonous! Arguably, uplifting is a way to gain colonists you can sell things to who won't be hurt by the environment (Remember, Ecosystems Unlimited isn't strictly in the business of making planets for humans- they're about making new economies to exploit) Of course, robots could be used in the place of uplifted animals, but it's clear no one was thinking of this as a possibility when colonizing Pfouts was being discussed.
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****It might just be my reading, but it seems strongly implied that a lack of empathy was an intentional feature, not a bug- they were to be super-soldiers, and you don't want those empathizing with the enemy.
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** Trying to increase the rate at which time passes for an entire colony is likely unfeasible, but even if it could be done, it would be a disaster. Consider that from the colony's perspective, the amount of incoming solar radiation would drop dramatically - and that's just the first consequence that comes to mind. It takes a tremendous amount of development for a colony to be truly self-reliant, and speeding up time would just mean more support was needed.
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*** And, for his Kudzu analogy? It's less like the man trying to torch the entire acre of Kudzu, then start murdering any traders who attempt to come to his place, because they MIGHT have Kudzu...
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** Oh, it would definitely be useful for that...if, it wasn't both DANGEROUS and very expensive.
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** Having actually seen Doctor Bowman, it's entirely possible that the Pfouts project was just an excuse, and the real reason was ALWAYS to gain access to the tech and resources to eventually create fully sentient robots in Jean's star system.
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** Having met Doctor Bowman, it's also possible he manipulated high ranking corporate types into funding the invention of his neural net design by saying it would let them make a colony of Pfouts, when the real reason was always to create a star system of fully sentient robots.
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** Sometimes the correct answer is that when you make over 3000 comic strips, a few of them have to be bloody stupid. As we saw with Sparkle Hitler, that works best when they're also preachy and dumb. You're looking for a way to create Watsonian sense of the event when the Doylist reason precludes it: the author just kind of screwed up that day.
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** Sometimes the correct answer is that when you make over 3000 comic strips, a few of them have to be bloody stupid. As we saw with Sparkle Hitler, that works best when they're also preachy and dumb.pretentious. You're looking for a way to create Watsonian sense of the event when the Doylist reason precludes it: the author just kind of screwed up that day.
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** Sometimes the correct answer is that when you make over 3000 comic strips, a few of them have to be bloody stupid. As we saw with Sparkle Hitler, that works best when they're also preachy and dumb. You're looking for a way to create Watsonian sense of the event when the Doylist reason precludes it: the author just kind of screwed up that day.
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** The REAL core of Blunt's argument is that no matter how well controlled, fully sentient robots would render humanity totally obsolete. Making life more difficult for the people on Jean (a state of affairs they have already proven able to survive, mind you) is a very small price to pay compared to preventing the TRILLIONS of current and FUTURE human lives that could be lost by allowing a complete societal takeover into one by robots, for robots. Having functional robots is not a concern. Having planet Jean be functional is not a concern. Making sure humans remain the dominant species and the universe never devolves into automated galaxies bereft of organic life is the concern. Florence said her biggest idea was that they should start disassembling stars... and Blunt thinks a little bigger than she does. Calling Blunt an idiot for this would be like calling the man who came across the first patch of kudzu planted on American soil an idiot if he had tried to torch the entire acre. The kudzu is a problem to a significantly greater degree than that acre is worth protecting.
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***No. As the person a couple points above said, humans did not evolve from chimps; humans and chimps instead have a common ancestor which was neither human nor chimp (and which is now extinct). And evolution is not the same thing as uplifting at all. Uplifting is a deliberate, engineered process. Evolution is driven by accidental mutations, and "good" (meaning: helps survival) mutations are kept. Also, most (onscreen) human characters in the comic are decent people; the worst ones being Mr. Kornada and (to a lesser degree) Varroa Jacobsoni. We even get good executives in Mr. Raibert and Mr. Ishiguro, who are both intelligent and practical. The "sterile environment" vs "regular families" is a better idea, but Dr. Bowman reveals that the chimps were created to be soldiers - the creators wanted aggression, so they didn't "tone down" the chimps' aggression when creating them (and real life chimps actually are aggressive).
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** Simple if they set up a human colony to obtain resources they have to ship in everything human life needs, such as food, and medical supplies this means that you have to dedicate a lot of resources into transporting that cargo, as the only method of FTL travel would take years to reach there and the vast amount of energy required to accelerate mass up to the speed of light or beyond this is going to require a lot of resources just to keep the colony alive, by uplifting native lifeforms the reduce the need to transport all these supplies and instead can focus on more profitable trade such as refined metals and the likes. granted they could send robots but without bowman architecture their brains would not be flexible enough to operate independently (which people are only now realising) and adapt to unexpected situations, while a living being with bowman architecture overlay on their brain(like the bowman's wolves) is more adaptable having natural instincts to operate on in such situations
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** Actually, that's "right"-handed.
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** Also keep in mind that he is actually brain-damaged as a result of that solar flare.
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*** They also weren't properly socialized. Chimps are primates, and [[TearJerker we've seen what happens]] when [[ChildSodiers human children are trained for nothing but warfare without proper socialization.]]
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** According to [[http://home.comcast.net/~ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.html This Page]] it's because the chimps, real or uplifted I have no idea, have so small frontal lobes, which deal with turning thought into action. When the uplifted chimps thought about hurting an annoying person, they were already halfway to acting on the thought. Florence has bigger frontal lobe that keeps thought and action more distinctly separate.
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** According to [[http://home.comcast.net/~ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.[[http://theoldwolf.com/ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.html This Page]] it's because the chimps, real or uplifted I have no idea, have so small frontal lobes, which deal with turning thought into action. When the uplifted chimps thought about hurting an annoying person, they were already halfway to acting on the thought. Florence has bigger frontal lobe that keeps thought and action more distinctly separate.
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** The big reveal of Feb. 28, 2014 gives credence to a few of the remarks above. So far the WordOfGod remarks about small frontal lobes from [[http://home.comcast.net/~ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.html the backstory page]] seem to be very relevant ([[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2500/fc02468.htm Mar. 3, 2014]]). The UnpredictableResults theory mentioned above for the first model uplifted species may be true as well, as the lab vs. family upbringing. One thing worth remarking, however, is that it's worth sking whether the word "sociopath," at least in its human sense, really fits the situation here.
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** The big reveal of Feb. 28, 2014 gives credence to a few of the remarks above. So far the WordOfGod remarks about small frontal lobes from [[http://home.comcast.net/~ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.[[http://theoldwolf.com/ccdesan/Freefall/Freefall_Backstory.html the backstory page]] seem to be very relevant ([[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2500/fc02468.htm Mar. 3, 2014]]). The UnpredictableResults theory mentioned above for the first model uplifted species may be true as well, as the lab vs. family upbringing. One thing worth remarking, however, is that it's worth sking whether the word "sociopath," at least in its human sense, really fits the situation here.
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** TheTerminator: A cautionary tale of the over-development of technology, or an example of the Three Laws GoneHorriblyRight?
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** TheTerminator: Film/TheTerminator: A cautionary tale of the over-development of technology, or an example of the Three Laws GoneHorriblyRight?
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** More importantly, Pfouts is a left-handed amino acid planet, where nothing short of complete genetic overhaul would allow humans to adapt to it.
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*** I know I would probably wake up if somebody tried to steal my skeleton. Mind you, most of Sam's skeleton is an artificial add-on, with the possible exception of his beak, like other (Terran) cephalopods, whereas mine is entirely internal, depending on how you define teeth.
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* there's also the fact they were engineered as living weapons/ "super soldiers" that were supposed to be cryogenically frozen whenever they were actively in combat. some bright spark probably thourght that reducing/minimising their empathic responses was a good idea for "efficiency" or somesuch.
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** First of mining operations, it will take hundreds if not thousands of years to mine all the resources from the planet so it's not really a short term thing. second shipping in food for a colony would cost a lot more than creating a work force that can survive on the planet, just ask NASA how much it costs to ship a gram of something into orbit, then work out how much it would cost to ship enough food, and materials for a mining operation and support personel across several star systems, using robots would seam like a cheeper alternitive until you realise that most (read non bowman designed) robots don't have the ability to adapt and learn meaning they can not deal with unusual situations that are likely to arrise not to mention the vast infrastructure needed to maintain the robots. by creating a native workforce that can eat the available food on the planet, build and adapt to their situation and do not require maintenance you'll end up with a self sustaining workforce.
