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** In Tyler's view, society is ''so'' stupid that it's ''obviously'' a giant house of cards that will inevitably collapse as soon as somebody gives it a strong kick. That said, the movie provides no evidence that Tyler succeeded at rebooting society. Maybe society is stronger than he thought. Maybe there's some actually meaning and logic amidst all the nonsense. The fact that the Narrator defeats Tyler demonstrates that Tyler is not all-powerful and not everything goes his way, so the fate of society after the bombings is a big unknown.
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** In Tyler's view, society is ''so'' stupid that it's ''obviously'' a giant house of cards that will inevitably collapse as soon as somebody gives it a strong kick. That said, the movie provides no evidence that Tyler succeeded at rebooting society. Maybe society is stronger than he thought. Maybe there's some actually actual meaning and logic amidst all the nonsense. The fact that the Narrator defeats Tyler demonstrates that Tyler is not all-powerful and not everything goes his way, so the fate of society after the bombings is a big unknown.
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** In Tyler's view, society is ''so'' stupid that it's ''obviously'' a giant house of cards that will inevitably collapse as soon as somebody gives it a strong kick. That said, the movie provides no evidence that Tyler succeeded at rebooting society. Maybe society is stronger than he thought. Maybe there's some actually meaning and logic amidst all the nonsense. The fact that the Narrator defeats Tyler demonstrates that Tyler is not all-powerful and not everything goes his way, so the fate of society after the bombings is a big unknown.
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* How exactly does wiping everyone's credit data result in the complete reset of society Tyler wants? Sure, it means that debt centers are basically screwed out of their loans, but it's not like it will bring the government crumbling to the ground or kickstart some anarcho-primitivist society.
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*** Bit of a bad example there, since the one saying that, Sue Norton, is TooDumbToLive and is presented as a massive AgentScully that only says that to wave away that the very real threat of vampires is happening, and Ben refutes that idea by pointing out that insanity has markers, no matter what, and that even if you don't seem them in the moment, you see them once you know what to look for. As for a doctor seeing them, it's possible that the Narrator hasn't been around a professional who would notice those sorts of signs, or not around them ''enough'' or a number of other possibilities.
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*** Irresponsible doctors exist in Real Life. In fact this fits perfectly with the story; the Narrator was unfortunate enough to encounter an irresponsible doctor who didn't take his symptoms seriously, and thus he didn't get the help and compassion he clearly needed, and thus his mental health problems got worse.
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** Not every fighting club is as insane as Fight Club from the movie. Some people enjoy bare-knuckle boxing or judo or whatever, and they do it safely and it's not about nihilism or anarchism and they don't end up turning into terrorists. I can imagine some people saw the movie and said "Ok, I get it, Tyler is insane. But incidentally, it would be cool to practice fighting as a hobby. Maybe I should join a club."
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** I think most of them interpreted the rules as "Don't tell anyone about Fight Club unless they're cool enough to actually join it."
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** Psychologically speaking, this is by far the most intense thing The Narrator has ever done outside the Tyler persona. Tyler is something the Narrator subconsciously invented to express inexpressible things. Once the Narrator embraces the intensity of his own feelings, the Tyler persona is no longer necessary. Therefore, Tyler disappears. (Obviously this is way more complicated in Real Life and people with DID are ''not'' advised to shoot themselves in the cheek.)
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** The "sweetness" of the ending is that the Narrator regains his sanity. Sure, he's about to go to jail, but that's actually a step up from his previous gig of being an insane nobody/terrorist. He's also in a position to rat on the entire Project Mayhem organization, preventing any number of future crimes. He won't have a normal life by any means, but he'll have his sanity and a genuine purpose, and that's something he's never really had before.
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** There’s a simpler way to explain it - profanities. Those words originate as a challenge to society. The whole purpose of saying an obscene word is to defy a taboo.
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** There’s There's a simpler way to explain it - profanities. Those words originate as a challenge to society. The whole purpose of saying an obscene word is to defy a taboo.
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** The ironic thing is that you say this setup belongs in [[Film/MeMyselfAndIrene a Jim Carrey movie]] but said film came out after this and is arguably loosely parodying it, so yeah the serious take was done first, not after.
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** Or it is possible that there is a real soap salesman named Tyler Durden who happened to sit next to the Narrator and since he was everything that the Narrator wasn't the Narrator simply used this cool seeming guy he met on a plane as the basis for his hallucination also this would explain how Tyler was able to steal a car while the Narrator wasn't present.
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** Or it is possible that there is a real soap salesman named Tyler Durden who happened to sit next to the Narrator and since he was everything that the Narrator wasn't wasn't, the Narrator simply used this cool seeming guy he met on a plane as the basis for his hallucination also hallucination. Also this would explain how Tyler was able to steal a car while the Narrator wasn't present.
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** There seems to be a little bit of time displacement going on in the Narrator's dissociation between him and Tyler. It's likely that the things we see the Narrator doing is what he's doing at that time--he fucked Marla earlier, and "hears" it later. Or vice verse.
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** There seems to be a little bit of time displacement going on in the Narrator's dissociation between him and Tyler. It's likely that the things we see the Narrator doing is what he's doing at that time--he fucked Marla earlier, and "hears" it later. Or vice verse.versa.
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*** Yeah, but he confessed to the police chief, who wasn't a part of the titular fight clubs, that he was the one who set those buildings to blow up only a few hours, at most, beforehand. The police have a record of his actual identity, even if we never learn what it is (though there's a few names hinted at both in the film and its script), so they'd still be looking for him, since the chief would've likely informed the feds afterwards. At that point, he'd ''have'' to use his position with the fight clubs to go on the lamb or something, possibly with Marla, to escape detection...[[FridgeHorror unless the two cops that tried to cut his nuts off from earlier in the film kill the chief before he can call the feds]].
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*** Yeah, but he confessed to the police chief, who wasn't a part of the titular fight clubs, that he was the one who set those buildings to blow up only a few hours, at most, beforehand. The police have a record of his actual identity, even if we never learn what it is (though there's a few names hinted at both in the film and its script), so they'd still be looking for him, since the chief would've likely informed the feds afterwards. At that point, he'd ''have'' to use his position with the fight clubs to go on the lamb lam or something, possibly with Marla, to escape detection...[[FridgeHorror unless the two cops that tried to cut his nuts off from earlier in the film kill the chief before he can call the feds]].
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*** This troper just thought it was because Tyler is shorter than the narrator.
*** This troper always thought that Tyler didn't really die...instead, the narrator and Tyler stopped being separate, and merged together. After he gets shot, the narrator stops panicking, starts being a lot more assertive, and bosses around the project mayhem guys like he's used to it. He also stops worrying about the bombs in the buildings and calmly watches them exploding. The personality disorder the Narrator has has been known to be cured by a traumatic event, and I'd say a gunshot wound to the face qualifies.
*** This troper always thought that Tyler didn't really die...instead, the narrator and Tyler stopped being separate, and merged together. After he gets shot, the narrator stops panicking, starts being a lot more assertive, and bosses around the project mayhem guys like he's used to it. He also stops worrying about the bombs in the buildings and calmly watches them exploding. The personality disorder the Narrator has has been known to be cured by a traumatic event, and I'd say a gunshot wound to the face qualifies.
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*** This troper I just thought it was because Tyler is shorter than the narrator.
***This troper Whereas I always thought that Tyler didn't really die...instead, the narrator and Tyler stopped being separate, and merged together. After he gets shot, the narrator stops panicking, starts being a lot more assertive, and bosses around the project mayhem guys like he's used to it. He also stops worrying about the bombs in the buildings and calmly watches them exploding. The personality disorder the Narrator has has been known to be cured by a traumatic event, and I'd say a gunshot wound to the face qualifies.
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** This troper has always seen those scenes as nothing more than RuleOfFunny and that any scene with Tyler and the narrator was really just "Jack" imagining it. For instance, if he and Tyler were drinking, then it was really just "Jack" sitting alone drinking and having a conversation in his mind.
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** This troper has I have always seen those scenes as nothing more than RuleOfFunny and that any scene with Tyler and the narrator was really just "Jack" imagining it. For instance, if he and Tyler were drinking, then it was really just "Jack" sitting alone drinking and having a conversation in his mind.
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* We see Jack come home from work or work out while Tyler is, to put it in the tone of the film, fucking Marla. So, which is it? Since [[LateArrivalSpoiler they're the same person]] what was Jack doing? fucking Marla or doing his other stuff?
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* We see Jack come home from work or work out while Tyler is, to put it in the tone of the film, fucking Marla. So, which is it? Since [[LateArrivalSpoiler they're the same person]] what was Jack doing? fucking Fucking Marla or doing his other stuff?
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* We see Jack come home from work or work out while Tyler is, to put it in the tone of the film, fucking Marla. So, which is it? since [[LateArrivalSpoiler they're the same person]] what was Jack doing? fucking Marla or doing his other stuff?
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* We see Jack come home from work or work out while Tyler is, to put it in the tone of the film, fucking Marla. So, which is it?
