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* In the post credits scene of WandaVision, Wanda hears her children calling to their mother (seemingly her) for help. At the end of this film, the same thing happens though this time they are calling for their own Wanda. It might not be the same audio or words, but the same thing happens. So did the DarkHold give her a preview of what would happen if she went to another universe with them actually existing, an actual vision of the future or was it just a hint to make her try to find them? Or was it just mindfuckery? Or was it even connected?
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** Maybe the universes where Wanda is with Vision and the universes where she has children are mutually exclusive. Vision can't be their biological father, after all.
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** There may be no way of knowing for sure, but it seems likely they're real for any number of reasons. If Wanda would settle for having fake children she'd just pull another Westview, for example. When Strange says her children aren't real she contests that, implying she believes the ones in other universes are real.
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** Those cuffs are not explained enough for us to know if they would even work. Sure, they completely blocked Strange's and Mordo's powers, but they were made specifically to counter ''that'' type of magic, and the movie shows many times that different types of magic work on different rules and limitations. We even see the cuffs failing to contain America's powers, which are also treated as some form of magic.
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** Could be that she was trying, even if subconsciously, minimise the amount of grief her kidnapping would cause. She was clearly shaken when confronted with the thought of what her actions would do to another Wanda, maybe if there was a Vision in the equation, the thought of making her husband suffer through the loss of their kids would have been enough to push her over the edge.
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*** She only dreamwalks when possessing the other Wanda. She's been observing and listening to other universes using other spells of the Darkhold.
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*** She only dreamwalks when possessing the other Wanda. She's been observing and listening to other universes using other spells of the Darkhold.Darkhold since the last shots of ''Series/WandaVision''.
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*** She only dreamwalks when possessing the other Wanda. She's been observing and listening to other universes using other spells of the Darkhold.
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** Wanda didn't specifically pick 838. America randomly opened portals until she and Strange ended up there and Wanda had no choice but to follow her. America also purposefully brought her back to that same universe in the climax to help show the mess she'd already made. It's likely that Wanda would have chosen a universe that resembled Westview if she had gotten America's powers.
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* By the end of the movie, Reed Richards, her employer, is dead, the organization she works for has been utterly decimated, and most of her colleagues are also dead. So why on Earth would Strange send her back to that world where she has nothing now? I understand the obvious reason why he can’t bring her back to Earth-19999, but at least take her somewhere better.
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* By the end of the movie, Reed Richards, her employer, is dead, the organization she works for has been utterly decimated, and most of her colleagues are also dead. So why on Earth would Strange send her back to that world where she has nothing now? I understand the obvious reason why Obviously, he can’t bring her back to Earth-19999, but at least take her somewhere better.
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*** Her children probably wouldn't react well to a new mother showing up after their old one died.
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** Who says she has nothing? Losing a job and colleagues is hard, sure, but that still leaves an entire world she grew up and lived in. Family, friends, a city, culture. Moreover, displacing Christine would risk incursions, which was a big part of stopping Wanda in the first place.
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* By the end of the movie, Reed Richards, her employer, is dead, the organization she works for has been utterly decimated, and most of her colleagues are also dead. So why on Earth would Strange send her back to that world where she has nothing now?
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* In this film, the Darkhold is portrayed as so evil that it turned Wanda into a mass murderer and did the same to Strange's variant; even using it once is enough to make our Stephen grow a third eye. But in ''Series/WandaVision'', Agatha Harkness was using the Darkhold, was implied to have had it for centuries, yet she was sane and rational and didn't kill indiscriminately (didn't kill anyone in Westview except a dog who may not even have been totally real). While it's clear the movie didn't pay much attention to the show except in BroadStrokes, anyone watching both is bound to wonder if there's smething specific about Wanda and Strange that make them especially easy to corrupt.
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** Wanda and Strange aren’t that out of character, Strange Supreme destroyed his universe without any help from the Darkhold. And it’s not like Agatha isn’t a tiny bit pointlessly evil, she gets a villain song where she boasts about murdering a puppy. There’s also the fact that Agatha isn’t really capable of that much evil without attracting more attention than she can handle, where as whereas Steven and Wanda are universal threats.
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*** In regards to the idea of Wanda trying to take the place of a deceased counterpart, keep in mind that her only shown method of traversing the multiverse is through dreamwalking; in other words, there needs to be a version of her in her target universe for her to know if her children are there in the first place. It's similar to the observation that there may have been other futures where the heroes defeated Thanos, but Strange couldn't see those futures when he used the Time Stone to look ahead because his counterpart died before the final victory.
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** Strange flat out stated Mordo has tried to kill him. So it would appear that, yes, they have.
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* When Strange and America meet Mordo on Earth-838, Strange is noticably hostile towards Mordo and mentions the latter's FaceHeelTurn and talks about the villainous acts he's comitted. Wait, when did that happen? The last time we saw Mordo was in the first movie's post-credits scene, where he was still being villainous in secret. Did I miss something?
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** She probably thought he wouldn't trust her if he found about what she did, so to avoid the risk she picked a universe where he wasn't in the picture.
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** Strange and Wanda are also much more powerful than Agatha. The whole reason Agatha came to Westview was that Wanda had accidentally pulled off a feat of magic that was way beyond anything Agatha could have done after centuries of study. If Agatha was ever fully corrupted by the Darkhold, she might have gotten over it without having committed any large-scale crimes, because she doesn't have the power to commit them.
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* What it says on the tin. Wanda scoured the multiverse to look for one she could settle down in and raise her children. Why didn't she pick one where Vision is still alive?
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* What it says on the tin. Wanda scoured the multiverse to look for one she could settle down in and raise her children. Why didn't she pick one where Vision is still alive?
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** Wanda was already one or two steps away from insanity. It wasn't going to be very hard for the Darkhold to corrupt her.
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** To be fair, Wanda and Strange aren’t that out of character, Strange Supreme destroyed his universe without any help from the Darkhold. And it’s not like Agatha isn’t a tiny bit pointlessly evil, she gets a villain song where she boasts about murdering a puppy. There’s also the fact that Agatha isn’t really capable of that much evil without attracting more attention than she can handle, where as Steven and Wanda are universal threats.
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* So in this film, the Darkhold is portrayed as so evil that it turned Wanda into a mass murderer and did the same to Strange's variant; even using it once is enough to make our Stephen grow a third eye. But in ''Series/WandaVision'', Agatha Harkness was using the Darkhold, was implied to have had it for centuries, yet she was sane and rational and didn't kill indiscriminately (didn't kill anyone in Westview except a dog who may not even have been totally real). While it's clear the movie didn't pay much attention to the show except in BroadStrokes, anyone watching both is bound to wonder if there's smething specific about Wanda and Strange that make them especially easy to corrupt.
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** We haven't seen anything of Agatha's life between the time she killed her coven (in self defense) and when she popped up in Westview. It could be that the Darkhold did have that effect on her at one time and she eventually learned to control it.
** We haven't seen anything of Agatha's life between the time she killed her coven (in self defense) and when she popped up in Westview. It could be that the Darkhold did have that effect on her at one time and she eventually learned to control it.
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* So in this film, the Darkhold is portrayed as so evil that it turned Wanda into a mass murderer and did the same to Strange's variant; even using it once is enough to make our Stephen grow a third eye. But in ''Series/WandaVision'', Agatha Harkness was using the Darkhold, was implied to have had it for centuries, yet she was sane and rational and didn't kill indiscriminately (didn't kill anyone in Westview except a dog who may not even have been totally real). While it's clear the movie didn't pay much attention to the show except in BroadStrokes, anyone watching both is bound to wonder if there's smething specific about Wanda and Strange that make them especially easy to corrupt.
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* So in this film, the Darkhold is portrayed as so evil that it turned Wanda into a mass murderer and did the same to Strange's variant; even using it once is enough to make our Stephen grow a third eye. But in ''Series/WandaVision'', Agatha Harkness was using the Darkhold, was implied to have had it for centuries, yet she was sane and rational and didn't kill indiscriminately (didn't kill anyone in Westview except a dog who may not even have been totally real). While it's clear the movie didn't pay much attention to the show except in BroadStrokes, anyone watching both is bound to wonder if there's smething specific about Wanda and Strange that make them especially easy to corrupt.
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** To be fair, no one in the movie truly comprehends how powerful she is until it’s demonstrated to them. To get cuffs on her would require them to get through her energy shields, and even Captain Marvel didn’t even dent them. Even then, I’m not going to bet on them holding her for long.
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** They get arrogant, [[UnderestimatingBadassery dismished Wanda as just a "little witch"]], [[IdiotBall and Mr. Fantastic even made the mistake to tell Wanda how Black Bolt's powers work]].
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* Why didn't the Illuminati use tech similar to the magic-suppressing handcuffs to try and subdue Wanda? They could've very well had some prepared given the fact they previously dealt with a Darkhold-influenced Strange and have cells literally built for that very purpose.
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* Why didn't the Illuminati use tech similar to the magic-suppressing handcuffs to try and subdue Wanda? They could've very well had some prepared given the fact they previously dealt with a Darkhold-influenced Strange and have cells literally built for that very purpose.
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