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* What exactly is the deal with the seals? I assumed that they would be broken one-by-one as Man achieved certain milestones on the way to becoming strong enough to fight the End War, but it seems like none of them have been broken by the time Abaddon got his hands on them. Surely a modern industrial mankind warrants at least two seals being broken, right? If that's not the case, and they're just to be broken all at once when it's time for the End War, then why have seven at all? Do the individual seals have any particular meaning or purpose, or is the "seventh seal" just whichever one is arbitrarily broken last? I know that breaking the seventh seal signals that the End War is to begin and recalls the Horsemen, even from non-existence, but does anything happen when the others are broken? If so, then why did Abaddon think that he could get away with re-forging the seals after breaking them?
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* What exactly is the deal with the seals? I assumed that they would be broken one-by-one as Man achieved certain milestones on the way to becoming strong enough to fight the End War, but it seems like none of them have been broken by the time Abaddon got his hands on them. Surely a modern industrial mankind warrants at least two seals being broken, right? If that's not the case, and they're just to be broken all at once when it's time for the End War, then why have seven at all? Do the individual seals have any particular meaning or purpose, or is the "seventh seal" just whichever one is arbitrarily broken last? I know that breaking the seventh seal signals that the End War is to begin and recalls the Horsemen, even from non-existence, but does anything happen when the others are broken? If so, then why did Abaddon think that he could get away with re-forging the seals after breaking them?
them? The whole point of breaking the seals was to scare the leaders of Hell into gathering for a war meeting, but if Hell would just know that most of the seals were broken, then surely the Council would also know, meaning that the Council would immediately doubt that the seals hadn't been tampered with, which makes it even more inexplicable that Abaddon thought that his plan was going to work.
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** Or perhaps it was the location of the seals - I don't remember if it was ever stated, but I think it was at least implied that they were kept in a secret place that only the Council knew of to prevent shenanigans exactly like what Abaddon attempted.
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* What is the plan for the End War, anyway? If the conflict between Heaven and Hell had been getting so bad that it risked all of creation, then wouldn't adding in a third power make it even worse? What is the Horsemen's part in this? Are they to act as a fourth faction? To ensure that each side remains equal throughout the War? If that's the case, then what's the point of even having a war if the Horsemen will ensure that it ends in a three-way tie? Some dialog indicates that the Horsemen will be charged will destroying the wicked... are they to ensure that only good people end up fighting to the death, or just act as an anti-war crimes unit? When does the war end? When one side is gone? When there's only one left? What circumstances in the post-war world will each side be fighting for? Is the Council trying to set up a stable peace afterwards, or do they intend for factions, either the same old ones or new ones, to grow strong again and eventually fight another End War? In that case, what's the point? Just seems like not enough attention was given for why the player should want to get things back on track or dislike the people who derailed it.
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* What is the plan for the End War, anyway? If the conflict between Heaven and Hell had been getting so bad that it risked all of creation, then wouldn't adding in a third power make it even worse? What is the Horsemen's part in this? Are they to act as a fourth faction? To ensure that each side remains equal throughout the War? If that's the case, then what's the point of even having a war if the Horsemen will ensure that it ends in a three-way tie? Some dialog indicates that the Horsemen will be charged will with destroying the wicked... are they to ensure that only good people end up fighting to the death, or just act as an anti-war crimes unit? When does the war end? When one side is gone? When there's only one left? What circumstances in the post-war world will each side be fighting for? Is the Council trying to set up a stable peace afterwards, or do they intend for factions, either the same old ones or new ones, to grow strong again and eventually fight another End War? In that case, what's the point? Just seems like not enough attention was given for why the player should want to get things back on track or dislike the people who derailed it.
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* What exactly is the deal with the seals? I assumed that they would be broken one-by-one as Man achieved certain milestones on the way to becoming strong enough to fight the End War, but it seems like none of them have been broken by the time Abaddon got his hands on them. Surely a modern industrial mankind warrants at least two seals being broken, right? If that's not the case, and they're just to be broken all at once when it's time for the End War, then why have seven at all? Do the individual seals have any particular meaning or purpose, or is the "seventh seal" just whichever one is arbitrarily broken last? I know that breaking the seventh seal signals that the End War is to begin and recalls the Horsemen, even from non-existence, but does anything happen when the others are broken? If so, then why did Abaddon think that he could get away with re-forging the seals after breaking them?
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[[folder:Seals?]]
* What exactly is the deal with the seals? I assumed that they would be broken one-by-one as Man achieved certain milestones on the way to becoming strong enough to fight the End War, but it seems like none of them have been broken by the time Abaddon got his hands on them. Surely a modern industrial mankind warrants at least two seals being broken, right? If that's not the case, and they're just to be broken all at once when it's time for the End War, then why have seven at all? Do the individual seals have any particular meaning or purpose, or is the "seventh seal" just whichever one is arbitrarily broken last? I know that breaking the seventh seal signals that the End War is to begin and recalls the Horsemen, even from non-existence, but does anything happen when the others are broken? If so, then why did Abaddon think that he could get away with re-forging the seals after breaking them?
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* Why does War arrive on Earth 100 years after the beginning of the invasion of Earth? The Council wants War to hunt down those responsible for the invasion, they should want him to accomplish this in a timely fashion. Having him arrive a century after the fact gives the culprits plenty of time to get away scot-free, destroy evidence as to what really happened, make the consequences of the invasion even more irreversible, and launch other plans that make the situation entirely worse. The dialog while War is in the Council's chamber indicates that the scene is taking place 100 years after the invasion, as there have been power shifts and political intrigue in the demonic ranks since the invasion started. Later games have scenes of War chained up, but there doesn't seem to be any point where this could possibly happen, as from his perspective, he was plucked straight from the invasion to get the third degree from the Council, and then immediately sent to Earth. Was he chained up unconscious, and the Council just put off waking him up and confronting him for a century? Just... '''WHY!?'''
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* Why does War arrive on Earth 100 years after the beginning of the invasion of Earth? The Council wants War to hunt down those responsible for the invasion, they should want him to accomplish this in a timely fashion. Having him arrive a century after the fact gives the culprits plenty of time to get away scot-free, destroy evidence as to what really happened, make the consequences of the invasion even more irreversible, and launch other plans that make the situation entirely worse. The dialog while War is in the Council's chamber indicates that the scene is taking place 100 years after the invasion, as there have been power shifts and political intrigue in the demonic ranks since the invasion started. started (and we later learn that he was kept in the Abyss for those 100 years). Later games have scenes of War chained up, but there doesn't seem to be any point where this could possibly happen, as from his perspective, he was plucked straight from the invasion to get the third degree from the Council, and then immediately sent back to Earth. Was he chained up unconscious, and Did the the Council just put off waking not feel like pulling him up out of the Abyss and confronting him for a century? Just... '''WHY!?'''
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* What is the plan for the End War, anyway? If the conflict between Heaven and Hell had been getting so bad that it risked all of creation, then wouldn't adding in a third power make it even worse? What is the Horsemen's part in this? Are they to act as a fourth faction? To ensure that each side remains equal throughout the War? If that's the case, then what's the point of even having a war if the Horsemen will ensure that it ends in a three-way tie? When does the war end? When one side is gone? When there's only one left? What circumstances in the post-war world will each side be fighting for? Is the Council trying to set up a stable peace afterwards, or do they intend for factions, either the same old ones or new ones, to grow strong again and eventually fight another End War? In that case, what's the point? Just seems like not enough attention was given for why the player should want to get things back on track or dislike the people who derailed it.
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* What is the plan for the End War, anyway? If the conflict between Heaven and Hell had been getting so bad that it risked all of creation, then wouldn't adding in a third power make it even worse? What is the Horsemen's part in this? Are they to act as a fourth faction? To ensure that each side remains equal throughout the War? If that's the case, then what's the point of even having a war if the Horsemen will ensure that it ends in a three-way tie? Some dialog indicates that the Horsemen will be charged will destroying the wicked... are they to ensure that only good people end up fighting to the death, or just act as an anti-war crimes unit? When does the war end? When one side is gone? When there's only one left? What circumstances in the post-war world will each side be fighting for? Is the Council trying to set up a stable peace afterwards, or do they intend for factions, either the same old ones or new ones, to grow strong again and eventually fight another End War? In that case, what's the point? Just seems like not enough attention was given for why the player should want to get things back on track or dislike the people who derailed it.
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* Why does War arrive on Earth 100 years after the beginning of the invasion of Earth? The Council wants War to hunt down those responsible for the invasion, they should want him to accomplish this in a timely fashion. Having him arrive a century after the fact gives the culprits plenty of time to get away scot-free, destroy evidence as to what really happened, make the consequences of the invasion even more irreversible, and launch other plans that make the situation entirely worse. The dialog while War is in the Council's chamber indicates that the scene is taking place 100 years after the invasion, as there have been power shifts and political intrigue in the demonic ranks since the invasion started. Later games have scenes of War chained up, but there doesn't seem to be any point where this could possibly happen, as from his perspective, he was plucked straight from the invasion to get the third degree from the Council, and then immediately sent to Earth. Was he chained up unconscious, and the Council just put off waking him up and confronting him for a century? Just... '''WHY!?'''
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* Why does nobody seem to care that the entire plan for this universe is shot? The Council was convinced that humanity was essential for the balance and it really seems like their participation in the End War is really important. Yet nobody seems too concerned that this pillar of existence is completely gone and that the universe is, as far as the audience has been led to believe, completely doomed. The Council apparently did nothing to actually stop the illegal war between the demons and angels that was tearing Earth apart; why didn't they summon the other Horsemen to bring a stop to it? Or do... ''anything at all'' to try to salvage the situation? It seems like their only goal is to punish those responsible. Even Death in the sequel is mostly trying to restore humanity to help War by "erasing his crime" (not that that makes any sense, either, just because your brother returns money you stole doesn't make it so that you never stole that money) rather than any duty to the Council or the balance. Hell, Death is depowered in ''II'' specifically because his quest to revive humanity "isn't in service of the balance". Why are everyone's priorities so inexplicable?
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[[folder:Why trick War?]]
* Why did the Council feel the need to screw over War to give him motivation to hunt down whoever was behind this? Regardless of who did it, the truce between Heaven and Hell was violated, and the Council was entirely within their rights and duties to launch an investigation that would doubtless end with heads rolling, and War would've dutifully carried it out. Even if they were confident in their ability to do so, deceiving War is a completely unnecessary risk, not to mention that it involves depowering him, making it less likely that he'd succeed.
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* Why did Abaddon think that his plan would work? The Council wants the End War to consist of an equal three-way fight between Heaven, Hell and Man. There is an enforced truce between Heaven and Hell to ensure that they don't tear each other apart before Man is ready. Abaddon wants to break six of the seals to get Hell's leaders to gather, take them all out at once, then re-forge the seals. Then... what? The Council sides with them? Wouldn't the Council be really pissed at the angels for annihilating the forces of Hell? Even if the Council thought that there was something fishy about the demon commanders gathering, unless the demons actually attacked either Heaven or Man, the angels have no justification for fighting them, and especially not rendering them incapable of fighting back. And even if the demons did attack, couldn't the Council just send in the Horsemen to put a stop to it, making the angel attack illegal vigilantism? And even if it did work and the Council deemed the angel's actions justified, it wouldn't matter because they'd just place Hell under the same non-intervention protection as Man until they're ready for the End War again, while keeping Heaven on a VERY tight leash. So long as Heaven is incapable of overcoming the Horsemen, the Horsemen remain loyal to the Council, and the Council remains invested in the End War, there is no way for Heaven to truly triumph over Hell, so why even try?
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* What is the plan for the End War, anyway? If the conflict between Heaven and Hell had been getting so bad that it risked all of creation, then wouldn't adding in a third power make it even worse? What is the Horsemen's part in this? Are they to act as a fourth faction? To ensure that each side remains equal throughout the War? If that's the case, then what's the point of even having a war if the Horsemen will ensure that it ends in a three-way tie? When does the war end? When one side is gone? When there's only one left? What circumstances in the post-war world will each side be fighting for? Is the Council trying to set up a stable peace afterwards, or do they intend for factions, either the same old ones or new ones, to grow strong again and eventually fight another End War? In that case, what's the point? Just seems like not enough attention was given for why the player should want to get things back on track or dislike the people who derailed it.
[[folder:100 year gap]]
* Why does War arrive on Earth 100 years after the beginning of the invasion of Earth? The Council wants War to hunt down those responsible for the invasion, they should want him to accomplish this in a timely fashion. Having him arrive a century after the fact gives the culprits plenty of time to get away scot-free, destroy evidence as to what really happened, make the consequences of the invasion even more irreversible, and launch other plans that make the situation entirely worse. The dialog while War is in the Council's chamber indicates that the scene is taking place 100 years after the invasion, as there have been power shifts and political intrigue in the demonic ranks since the invasion started. Later games have scenes of War chained up, but there doesn't seem to be any point where this could possibly happen, as from his perspective, he was plucked straight from the invasion to get the third degree from the Council, and then immediately sent to Earth. Was he chained up unconscious, and the Council just put off waking him up and confronting him for a century? Just... '''WHY!?'''
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[[folder:Everyone's screwed and nobody cares]]
* Why does nobody seem to care that the entire plan for this universe is shot? The Council was convinced that humanity was essential for the balance and it really seems like their participation in the End War is really important. Yet nobody seems too concerned that this pillar of existence is completely gone and that the universe is, as far as the audience has been led to believe, completely doomed. The Council apparently did nothing to actually stop the illegal war between the demons and angels that was tearing Earth apart; why didn't they summon the other Horsemen to bring a stop to it? Or do... ''anything at all'' to try to salvage the situation? It seems like their only goal is to punish those responsible. Even Death in the sequel is mostly trying to restore humanity to help War by "erasing his crime" (not that that makes any sense, either, just because your brother returns money you stole doesn't make it so that you never stole that money) rather than any duty to the Council or the balance. Hell, Death is depowered in ''II'' specifically because his quest to revive humanity "isn't in service of the balance". Why are everyone's priorities so inexplicable?
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[[folder:Why trick War?]]
* Why did the Council feel the need to screw over War to give him motivation to hunt down whoever was behind this? Regardless of who did it, the truce between Heaven and Hell was violated, and the Council was entirely within their rights and duties to launch an investigation that would doubtless end with heads rolling, and War would've dutifully carried it out. Even if they were confident in their ability to do so, deceiving War is a completely unnecessary risk, not to mention that it involves depowering him, making it less likely that he'd succeed.
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[[folder:Abaddon's plan]]
* Why did Abaddon think that his plan would work? The Council wants the End War to consist of an equal three-way fight between Heaven, Hell and Man. There is an enforced truce between Heaven and Hell to ensure that they don't tear each other apart before Man is ready. Abaddon wants to break six of the seals to get Hell's leaders to gather, take them all out at once, then re-forge the seals. Then... what? The Council sides with them? Wouldn't the Council be really pissed at the angels for annihilating the forces of Hell? Even if the Council thought that there was something fishy about the demon commanders gathering, unless the demons actually attacked either Heaven or Man, the angels have no justification for fighting them, and especially not rendering them incapable of fighting back. And even if the demons did attack, couldn't the Council just send in the Horsemen to put a stop to it, making the angel attack illegal vigilantism? And even if it did work and the Council deemed the angel's actions justified, it wouldn't matter because they'd just place Hell under the same non-intervention protection as Man until they're ready for the End War again, while keeping Heaven on a VERY tight leash. So long as Heaven is incapable of overcoming the Horsemen, the Horsemen remain loyal to the Council, and the Council remains invested in the End War, there is no way for Heaven to truly triumph over Hell, so why even try?
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[[folder:End War?]]
* What is the plan for the End War, anyway? If the conflict between Heaven and Hell had been getting so bad that it risked all of creation, then wouldn't adding in a third power make it even worse? What is the Horsemen's part in this? Are they to act as a fourth faction? To ensure that each side remains equal throughout the War? If that's the case, then what's the point of even having a war if the Horsemen will ensure that it ends in a three-way tie? When does the war end? When one side is gone? When there's only one left? What circumstances in the post-war world will each side be fighting for? Is the Council trying to set up a stable peace afterwards, or do they intend for factions, either the same old ones or new ones, to grow strong again and eventually fight another End War? In that case, what's the point? Just seems like not enough attention was given for why the player should want to get things back on track or dislike the people who derailed it.
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* Okay, I know War's boots are pretty heavy duty, but they don't seem to bend at the toes whatsoever, which can't be comfortable. When he's pulling objects, he literally gets up on tip toe like a majestic ballerino. Death also seems to lack toes, or his boots do the same thing as War's. So what, do Nephilim just have no toes? Why on Earth would the devs not bother to animate their boots bending like every other person's footwear? It's just always struck me as jarring.
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* Okay, I know War's boots are pretty heavy duty, but they don't seem to bend at the toes whatsoever, which can't be comfortable. When he's pulling objects, he literally gets up on tip toe like a majestic ballerino.ballerina. Death also seems to lack toes, or his boots do the same thing as War's. So what, do Nephilim just have no toes? Why on Earth would the devs not bother to animate their boots bending like every other person's footwear? It's just always struck me as jarring.
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*** They're definitely not gone, the Hunter features in one of Darksiders II]{DLC}s.
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*** They're definitely not gone, the Hunter features in one of Darksiders II]{DLC}s.
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** Considering that [[spoiler:Strife was busy at Earth killing demons, helping out Ulthane and saving what's left of humanity. It atleast explains where Ulthane got the idea to make a copy of his gun at such a time...]]
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** Considering that [[spoiler:Strife was busy at Earth killing demons, helping out Ulthane and saving what's left of humanity. It atleast at least explains where Ulthane got the idea to make a copy of his gun at such a time...]]
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* Ok, death will be the protagonist of the sequel. but how will that work? he's said to be nigh invulnerable which would lead to boring invicible hero. Unless he gets stuck with a power nullifier or something and the goal of the game is it to get that thing off again.
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* Ok, death Death will be the protagonist of the sequel. but how will that work? he's said to be nigh invulnerable which would lead to boring invicible invincible hero. Unless he gets stuck with a power nullifier or something and the goal of the game is it to get that thing off again.
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** From speaking to producer personally, Death doesn't block because of his arrogance. He's not willing to show pain or even acknowledge that someone could hit him which is why he doesn't block. He prefers to zip around, using his speed and skill to dominate his foes instead of crassly standing toe to toe with them like equals like some common warrior. He called him the Raphael (Ninja Turtles) of the Horsemen family to put it in perspective. And, this part is conjecture, but it's possible that Death might not be nigh invulnerable, just impossible to permanently kill. In the comic it also looked like there was some magic at play when he let War impale him (the purple mist... tentacle... things) so that may have helped.
** Most of the powers the Horseman posses were granted to them by the Charred Council who, as evidenced in the beginning of the first game, can take them away if they want to. Trying to proof his brothers innocence could be in direct violation of the Councils orders so they may have have stripped Death of most of his powers, invurnerability included, which would also explain why he's starting out on level 1.
** Most of the powers the Horseman posses were granted to them by the Charred Council who, as evidenced in the beginning of the first game, can take them away if they want to. Trying to proof his brothers innocence could be in direct violation of the Councils orders so they may have have stripped Death of most of his powers, invurnerability included, which would also explain why he's starting out on level 1.
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** From speaking to producer personally, Per WordOfGod, Death doesn't block because of his arrogance. He's not willing to show pain or even acknowledge that someone could hit him which is why he doesn't block. He prefers to zip around, using his speed and skill to dominate his foes instead of crassly standing toe to toe with them like equals like some common warrior. He called him the Raphael (Ninja Turtles) of the Horsemen family to put it in perspective. And, this part is conjecture, but it's possible that Death might not be nigh invulnerable, just impossible to permanently kill. In the comic it also looked like there was some magic at play when he let War impale him (the purple mist... tentacle... things) so that may have helped.
** Most of the powers the Horseman posses were granted to them by the Charred Council who, as evidenced in the beginning of the first game, can take them away if they want to. Trying to proof his brothers innocence could be in direct violation of the Councils orders so they may have have stripped Death of most of his powers,invurnerability invulnerability included, which would also explain why he's starting out on level 1.
** Most of the powers the Horseman posses were granted to them by the Charred Council who, as evidenced in the beginning of the first game, can take them away if they want to. Trying to proof his brothers innocence could be in direct violation of the Councils orders so they may have have stripped Death of most of his powers,
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** Exactly. Well, being able to attack the Third Kingdom without humanity being ready was probably also a point - it's better to fight a war against the Angels you know how to fight, then against them AND humans that know how to defend themselves.
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** Exactly. Well, being able to attack the Third Kingdom without humanity being ready was probably also a point - it's better to fight a war against the Angels Demons you know how to fight, then against them AND humans that know how to defend themselves.
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** Considering that [[spoiler:Strife was busy at Earth killing demons, helping out Ulthane and saving what's left of humanity. It atleast explains where Ulthane got the idea to make a copy of his gun at such a time...]]
