History Headscratchers / Daredevil2015

** That makes perfect sense...within the confines of Season 1. Come Season 2, it's revealed that Nobu survived the incident, or he died, and got resurrected by the same means through which the Hand revived Harold Meachum and Elektra. Matt is shocked and was seemingly 100% convinced the guy was dead saying he saw him burn to death. And Stick implies that it's not the first time Nobu survived something fatal like that. Which means the only explanation is that Matt considered it an accident and feels little guilt about his involvement in quite a grisly burning.
** Well I think Matt blamed Fisk for the incident, because Fisk or Wesley or one of his other men could have used a fire extinguisher or something to put out the flames, but didn't since Fisk didn't want to work anymore with Nobu. In fact if Fisk didn't beat up Matt and forced him to run, maybe he would have tried extinguishing Nobu's flame (though that is a wild guess). It's a bit of shifting blame to pin Nobu's torching on Fisk, but since he was the guy who wanted Nobu out of the way, it's not like he didn't have responsibility in Nobu getting torched.

** It all boils down to premeditated intent. Matt didn't go into the dockhouse looking for Nobu. He went there looking for Fisk. But when Nobu showed up, it was all about self-preservation at that point. You could argue that him going out into the streets as Daredevil is premeditated, but aside from roughing up baddies and throwing them off rooftops, he's not really trying to kill them. With Fisk, on the other hand, I think Matt felt that ultimately, the only way to end Fisk's pervasive control over Hell's Kitchen was to kill him. Ultimately, he was right as we saw in season 2, Fisk was very much still in control of things from behind bars despite the power vacuum created by his arrest and Frank Castle's killing spree.

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** Besides: SpousalPrivilege would only have meant that Vanessa couldn't be compelled to testify against Fisk. It wouldn't give her immunity from being prosecuted as an accomplice if they were able to prove she was involved. And by threatening to prosecute her, they likely could have gained some leverage over Fisk (as Matt does, once he finds out about Vanessa ordering Nadeem's murder). I think the better explanation is simply that they didn't know in advance who she was or that she would be there, and they didn't have an arrest warrant for her. They were serious people sent in to face a very dangerous man, and they had a specific objective. I imagine that in that position you are trained to focus solely on the objective you've been given, and not try to improvise new objectives.

** Season 3 suggests that it was to keep Vanessa from going to jail. To Nadeem, the reason Fisk decides to flip on the Albanians for Agent Nadeem at the beginning of the season is because he learns that the FBI are going to have Vanessa arrested and charged as an accessory to his crimes if they're able to track her down. There might be a kernel of truth to this being one of Fisk's motives for becoming an informant. Although considering Fisk already had several agents at the FBI in his pocket before he was arrested, and has been manipulating Nadeem for three years, it could be argued Vanessa was always in the clear to come back to the United States and Donovan was kept in the dark about certain details that Fisk instead trusted Felix Manning with (for plausible deniability purposes). So it's more likely he primarily gave up the Albanians to manipulate Nadeem into letting him out of prison (combined with his own shanking by Jasper Evans), then manipulate the FBI into taking out any potential competitors who don't want to pay his new extortion tax, while using Vanessa's freedom to justify his means.

** Matt actually does change his voice when "in character." Well, more of a change of cadence. As himself in public, Matt has a jovial, easy going cadence, even in court. When in costume, he is much more terse and direct, which is noticeably different. Also, there's the "beneath suspicion" thing. Brett knows Matt, he's known him for years. And Matt's always been blind. Like Ben Urich said in season one, no one suspects the blind man.

*** An alternate interpretation is that Brett definitely knows Nelson & Murdock have connections to Daredevil. There was the whole case with Fisk, after all. There's also no way he'd be calling Foggy with the implicit expectation that Daredevil would show up otherwise. But whether or not he knows Matt is Daredevil is unclear. Because other than Matt's voice, there probably wasn't much else that would have realistically sent bells ringing for Brett.
*** Brett probably knows Matt is Daredevil as of season 3 episode 12. Matt was dressed in his black Daredevil clothes when he and Foggy brought Ray Nadeem's family to Brett and his mother, and Brett presumably was aware of the other details regarding Matt and Daredevil's disappearances at Midland Circle. And if Brett didn't know it then, then he might have put two and two together when Foggy approached him at the scene where Matt interrogated Felix Manning and warned him about Daredevil maybe planning to kill Fisk.

** They weren't married. He was only proposing to her when the police entered and were handcuffing her. Unless a marriage license was acquired offscreen, spousal privilege does not quite yet apply. The fact that Vanessa is not a US national (when Matt visits Fisk in prison for info on Frank Castle's escape, he threatens to contact Customs to bar Vanessa from ever being allowed to set foot in the United States) may also complicate matters.
** Besides: Spousal Privilege would only have meant that Vanessa couldn't be compelled to testify against Fisk. It wouldn't give her immunity from being prosecuted as an accomplice if they were able to prove she was involved. And by threatening to prosecute her, they likely could have gained some leverage over Fisk. (Admittedly, that's a very dangerous strategy). I think the better explanation is simply that they didn't know in advance who she was or that she would be there, and they didn't have an arrest warrant for her. They were serious people sent in to face a very dangerous man, and they had a specific objective. I imagine that in that position you are trained to focus solely on the objective you've been given, and not try to improvise new objectives.

[[folder: How does Wilson Fisk's entire operation run?]]
* I'm somewhat lost at how Fisk's syndicate works. Madame Gao supplies the heroin and the Russians distribute it, fine. Owlsley handles/launders the money. Okay. What do the Japanese provide? And what's Wilson Fisk's role here? If he's just the middle man, that can't work, because the other three are subservient to him. So he clearly has to have an established power base and money network. What do they all get from working under him? And with that, okay, Fisk's plan is to buy up Hell's Kitchen and rebuild it in both a better way, and a way that he profits from, through Union Allied Construction and the other companies he runs. He's funding this through heroin deals? What exactly is he up to?

** From my understanding, it's less of a criminal enterprise and more like a criminal syndicate. Owlsley, Nobu, Fisk, Madame Gao, Anatoly and Vladimir share equal authority, which is why they (in theory) have to consult with one another before doing big decisions. It's a sort of "mutual benefit" partnership they are supposed to have, but of course, they keep trying to sabotage one another. Owlsley is the money-launderer who moves their money and covers their tracks. Madame Gao manufactures (and probably smuggles) drugs of varied sorts on behalf of the Hand as well as curry favor with Fisk; Anatoly and Vladimir distribute Gao's drugs and seem to provide [[TheBrute brute strength]] in the form of manpower to cover the operations. Nobu (as noted by Wesley) does nothing per se, as he only serves as an ambassador of Murakami's authority and along with Gao is there to make sure the Hand's acquisition of the property for Midland Circle goes smoothly, and if need be, enforced (as seen with his fight with Matt).\\

Fisk's purpose is more generic. He is a man of connections, politicians, crooked cops, journalists, accountants, you name it. He's basically TheFixer in this operation. Now, over the course of the season, the system changed: Anatoly and Vladimir were killed, along with the rest of the Russians, and Fisk absorbed their duties (distributing drugs and providing legbreakers). Nobu is seemingly killed (temporarily leaving Murakami's faction of the Hand without an ambassador in New York City until partway through season 2). Madame Gao's operation was dismantled, causing her to relocate to Chinatown to regroup and later resume her smuggling operation through Rand Enterprises with help from Harold Meachum. Fisk murdered Owlsley (basically leaving them without a man to cover their tracks), and finally Hoffman sold out what he knew about Fisk's operation to the FBI, and Fisk winds up in jail. By the end of season 1, the entire chain of authority has collapsed and Fisk is the last piece standing. Fortunately, he's got some backup plans, since he's already implemented his plans to manipulate Ray Nadeem and he's got some FBI agents in his back pocket already. In season 2, he picks up a new revenue stream by taking over Dutton's underground prison ring. Then in season 3, whatever assets Fisk had that weren't seized when he was arrested, he has Felix Manning launder them through Red Lion Bank. And those assets, combined with any revenue that Fisk picked up as a result of taking over Dutton's ring, are where he obtains the money to buy the Presidential Hotel.

** Fisk knew full well that Hoffman had been rescued, since he would know that the team he sent in failed. From that point on he should have either taken steps to kill Hoffman (do something akin to what Fisk had done to Rance), discredit him (like he'd later have done with Nadeem had Vanessa not decided to have him killed) and / or taken the opportunity to flee, since it would realistically have taken more than a day for Hoffman to confess everything ''and'' for the Feds to have it all checked out. Certainly in RealLife this would never have happened, since it can take weeks, months or years for information from an informant like that on an organization [[TheSyndicate like this]] to be taken, researched and verified and for all the warrants to be attained, not to mention (as shown) he had to be debriefed by his lawyers first. The difference is that in those cases the criminals generally do not know that someone is ratting them out, nor do they have the resources and connections that Fisk is shown to possess throughout the series, so the odds of him not having a chance to escape (or for that matter, to take action to cover his tracks or shut the guy up) are extremely low.

** And season 2 shows that the government did freeze most of Fisk's bank accounts. He set up a protection fund for Vanessa, but he didn't exactly leave much for himself. So when Fisk recruited Frank to take out Dutton, he might very well have been in a bit of a financial hole, needing to not only pay off Stewart Finney and Valdez brothers for his inside protection, but also continue payments to any guys carrying out his street stuff on the outside, as well as raise the money necessary to buy the Presidential Hotel via dummy corporations.

** Fisk's leverage doesn't always take the form of threatening peoples' lives, as evidenced in season 3 by the fact that his leverage over Foggy was the threat of sending his family to prison for fraud. It's more likely that Fisk is threatening Betsy's career and her freedom. Betsy isn't just Melvin's girlfriend, she's also his parole officer. Parole officers are strictly prohibited from having sexual or strong intimate relationships with the parolees under their charge, because of the great potential for abuse and the power imbalance that exists, not to mention it's a potential parole violation for the parolee. In that regard, Betsy is more useful alive than dead. Fisk knows Melvin loves her, and can use the threat of sending evidence to her superiors showing her engaging in misconduct to keep him in line.

** Vanessa has dealt with a lot of shady people in the past. She made some assumptions based on how Fisk asked about 'what he really does'. What he 'really does' is organized crime. She doesn't need a deeper understanding than that to bring some protection. Also, what happened when Anatoly crashed their first date certainly gave a lot away. Notice how the moment Anatoly shoves his way past Wesley to enter the restaurant's seating area, almost everyone at all the other tables begins to get up and appears to be reaching for a weapon: everyone at the restaurant was one of Fisk's bodyguards.

** Matt ''took his phone''; we see a scene of Matt in his apartment showing it to Claire. When Blake woke up with his burner phone missing, he had to have known Matt saw the addresses. If anything, Blake must have been panicking that whole night between when he recovered and when he got shot. Because he had to know Fisk would not take him losing his phone lightly.
*** Fisk wasn't mad about Blake losing his phone. He was actually more than willing to forgive that. What he wasn't happy about was that Blake had failed to notify Wesley in a timely fashion about having been compromised (which isn't exactly Blake's fault since he must've spent an hour or so in the hospital getting a cast for his broken arm before the thought of notifying Fisk ever came to mind). By the time they learned it, Matt had already found Vladimir.

** The scee seems to imply that some sort of EMP did occur during the incident, but i doubt that this would eradicate all the data. The reason this happened at the Bulletin is most likely that, as a small local business, their equipment was possibly not up to date and backup routines not as strictly followed as they should have been. Bigger corporations would store their data more secured and have multiple means of backup (CD copies for example would be safe from EMP damage) to keep losses at bay. And with the Internet, many such data are not sored on location at all. Also, as the example of the Bulletin shows, the data is not lost entirely - many businesses still keep the paperworks, so it is just a bit harder to access and it might take some time to restore it digitally. Okay, lots of cellphones and laptops got grilled in the process, but if you don't store your data properly, that's your fault. Overall I imagine the fallout might be limited, and as always, there are those who lost and those who came out clean.

*** At a story level, that's probably because Fisk has a lot more respect for women. Obviously, Fisk is not above having them killed (he has Julie killed, and he tries to have Karen killed on multiple occasions, although Karen was intentionally causing more problems for Fisk's operation), but it's clear he prefers not to.[[note]]Notice that until he learned about Karen's part in Wesley's death, Fisk only targeted her for death as a last resort. It's clear his attempts to have her killed for the Union Allied fiasco were because Matt and Foggy got to her before his people could, and if they hadn't shown up, blackmail would be in order. Wesley's first action upon learning Karen spoke to Fisk's mother was also try to blackmail her, not kill her, further reinforcing this.[[/note]] It's also possible that Fisk ''did'' investigate Marci, only to realize that she's smart, skilled and sophisticated enough that going after her would be more work than it's worth, especially compared to going after Foggy's family members.

** Yes, it makes absolutely no sense. It implies that the only way Matt perceives people is by hearing their heartbeats, and that he needs to be told how to pick up on other sensory input… and clearly, I don’t need to explain how silly that is. Logically, Matt should not be able to stand five feet from Elektra and not know she’s there. He should not be getting his ass kicked by a crowd of ninjas and not be able to find them. People are loud and smelly and impact space in all kinds of obvious ways, so regardless of the status of your heartbeat, and no matter how sneaky you are, unless you’re not actually corporeally present, Matt is going to know you’re there. The only likely explanation is magic. In the comics, the Hand have all kinds of powers beyond raising the dead, and these occasionally (depending on the writer) extend to an ability to supernaturally cloak themselves. Given their telepathic and other mental abilities, they may do this by impacting the minds of those who would otherwise perceive them. This allows them to hide, to a certain degree, from Matt, who has not been trained to break through this type of cloaking. It's possible that the Hand ninjas in the show also have this cloaking ability, and I think that is what Elektra is referring to when she says the ninjas are “trained to hide themselves”, training that Elektra clearly has as well, considering how she's able to appear in Matt’s apartment without him noticing she's there until she speaks up. [[FridgeBrilliance It would even explain why Matt's "listen to someone's heartbeat to see if they're lying" ability fails when it comes to any lies that come out of Elektra's mouth]].
*** In Elektra's case, it seems that she can, to an extent, hide her lies from Matt. She may have a “loud and strong” heartbeat, but if she can effectively suppress changes in her heartrates and perspiration, she may be able to occasionally bluff Matt in the same way a person can throw off a polygraph. But in some instances, like when she confessed she did fall in love with Matt, she may be too emotional to effectively lie to Matt. That and there might be a degree of Matt just not wanting to hear the truth. Also, as a student of Stick's, Elektra is very good at telling the truth, but not the ''whole'' truth, and being very misleading.

** A highly-trained marine sniper and some gun-toting gangbanger are on two whole other levels. Not to mention that he ''does'' take care to avoid aiming at innocents. The fact that "others" in the Kitchen Irish case, applies to exactly one innocent dog in a meeting reserved for professional scumbags doesn't exactly carry much weight. From his perspective, the relatively low chance of one of his, a trained and experienced sniper's bullets not only ricocheting, but hitting ''and'' mortally wounding someone he's actively ''not'' aiming for is worth taking if it means a very high chance of ending the guy who kills(or rapes/tortures/mutilates) innocents on purpose. As for the undercover cop problem, it's simple. He does his homework. He knows exactly who he's aiming at when he's aiming at them. Hell, he knew everything about Grotto, from his name to his darkest secret before anyone, including the DA and Daredevil did.

** Fisk also ran an incredibly tight operation. People were so scared of him that one committed suicide to prevent Fisk from going after his family. We don't know much about the Dogs or the Mexicans but the Irish got soft in their own words. By the time the realized Fisk was a threat it was probably too late to move against him.

** One of the episodes shows Fisk beginning to establish control: From inside, he identifies inmates and guards who would be useful to him. When he talks to his lawyer, he has him use Fisk's money (since apparently there's still a lot of it) to track down those peoples' families/homes/etc. and either help them out or threaten him. As long as the money lasts, Fisk has the perfect carrot and stick: he's the guy who can get stuff done outside the prison, whether it's paying your mother's rent or having her beat to within an inch of her life. That's a lot of leverage.

** The training scenes in ''Arrow'' were a last-minute addition when Stephen Amell's trainer sent the producers a video of him doing the salmon ladder, and it impressed them so much they decided to show him off. Later season largely dropped them in favor of story and character development (let's not go into whether or not the show was better off for it). ''Daredevil'' was much more story-focused from the start, so there wasn't any room for gratuitous fanservice if it didn't drive the plot. That's why training scenes only work for instances like at the start of season 3 when Matt's recuperating from his Midland Circle injuries.

** Urich was also pretty close to the comics personality-wise, a reporter with more nose for news than political sense who'd "tilt at windmills" no one else wanted to take on, kept around because, for as much of a pain in the ass as he is, he tells a damn good story that sells papers. Ellison in the series finally got fed up with Urich and fired him, and it's more or less a running gag in the comics that JJJ fires Ben Urich at least once a week, but never really means it. Even the idea of Urich finally, permanently, losing his job and starting up a blog has roots in the comics, specifically the Civil War arc if memory serves. Father Everett was, as mentioned, only a character in film, and really could have been cut completely for all the impact he has. Father Lantom, on the other hand, really helps Matt deal with the moral and ethical implications of vigilante justice, and brings up some of the series' most hard-hitting philosophical questions. Leland Owlsley is, indeed, apparently intended be the father of "The Owl" from the comics, since he rather frequently mentions his own son Lee (presumably Leland Owlsley, Jr.) who would likely take on the mantle of The Owl should they ever decide to use that particular villain. Can't speak much to Wil Simpson/Frank Simpson, as I know little about Nuke from the comics, but he was certainly a very scary secondary villain to Kilgrave in Jessica Jones, and is still out there. But point of fact, the comics have been running more or less constantly since the 1960s, there's only so much they can do with a 13 hour TV season or a three-hour movie. Truly doing ''any'' character "justice" would require 50+ years of storytelling, which the TV and films just don't have.

** He did have one guy. The only reason the others went along is because now that Dutton is dead, Fisk is the one that can fill their pocket with a bigger offer and had a safe plan. The guards wouldn't have killed Dutton because there are 10 of his guys in the cell block to kill next so they don't say a guard stabbed him. After that he can try using one of the Valdez brothers, but any investigation would see the obvious connection between Fisk and the brothers. Frank had all the qualities: crazy enough that it's just him killing a guy that was linked to his family, no one will think he wants anything to do with Fisk, expendable enough to let Dutton's men go to isolation or be too injured to take back their boss's place by killing Frank and tough enough to kill Dutton and his cellmate. If he didn't have the Punisher, Fisk couldn't have a good plan so the guards decide to join him.

** Season 3 establishes that Fisk was convicted of five RICO counts in federal court. While they never say which crimes of his explicitly made up those five counts, WMG has to be used to speculate. Everything Marci smuggled out of Landman & Zack was able to implicate Fisk in a variety of fraud charges, and if Parish Landman turned state's witness, he probably testified to the connection between Fisk and Owlsley. Senator Cherryh likely linked Fisk to political corruption and gave up the names of other people receiving bribes from Fisk. And while Fisk is known by the press to be a cop killer who ordered the murders of Detective Blake and the other cops (as evidenced by some of the protesters' signs outside the Presidential Hotel), he never was convicted of that, as evidenced by the conversation between Hattley, Nadeem, the Police Commissioner and Blake Tower prior to Fisk's transfer. When the Commissioner snorts "Good, he's a cop killer" after learning Fisk had been shanked, Hattley fires back "That wasn't proven in court." What we're probably meant to imply from this is that Fisk's lawyers were able to suppress Hoffman's testimony (which is pretty understandable, seeing as with Blake's murder, the only evidence of Fisk directly ordering Hoffman to kill Blake is Hoffman himself, since the only other person in the room when the order was given--Wesley--is inconveniently dead), but weren't able to discredit other witnesses and evidence they could produce.

** After shooting in a hospital pretty sure the Punisher has an use of lethal force order on him since can pretty much count as a domestic terrorist at this point. The police also probably assumed that the Punisher was the kind of guy who probably wouldn't be taken alive.

** An elaborate way of rephrasing the saying is "Sometimes, to get someone to help you further your own goals, you have to trick them into helping you, and use false pretenses to convince them to help you, while keeping them in the dark about what you really are doing." In this case, the saying is exactly how Reyes is using Grotto. Reyes wants to use Grotto as bait to lure the Punisher out into the open. She also knows that the Punisher [[Film/TheTerminator can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with, and doesn't feel pity, remorse, or fear, and he absolutely will not stop, EVER, until Grotto is dead]]. Thing is, her office can't just tell Grotto "We want to use you as bait for the Punisher" because most criminals would probably never agree to such a deal on their own. Thus, Reyes instead fed him shit by tricking him into thinking that he was going to make a drug buy with one of his associates, and kept him in the dark about she was really doing.

** Well, for the most part, their actions are in self-defense or direct defense of others. There's a big difference, morally and legally between justifiable homicide, and murder. Granted, there ''is'' still a moral dissonance here, as Tony Stark personally went after criminals himself in the first and third Iron Man movies, and in both, did what could very well be described as murder by leaving Raja's second-in-command in the hands of a lynch mob and leaving a guard he knocked out submerged headfirst in a fountain. In which cases, however, the public doesn't know about either incident, they only know Stark set out to fight terrorists, and terrorist casualties resulted. No one can conclusively say whether or not said casualties were out of self-defense, and given what they were up to, no one's gonna be shedding tears for them. No one knows that Karen killed James Wesley until season 3, but it's pretty much a clear cut "it was him or her" situation. With Castle, the public ''knows'' and has conclusive ''proof'' that he murdered dozens.

** It's probably just a special effect failure. It would have been harder to fake the iron's elasticity or find a Donofrio stunt who can bench press 500 pounds on cue than just shrug it off as the bar can take it and move on.

** Fisk already decided that Blake was incompetent for losing his phone to the man in the mask. Also, Blake knows too much for Fisk to simply have him fired or even just moved to a non-administrative position, since either of those moves would likely just lead to Blake spilling his story to the press out of spite. Plus, Fisk really wanted to kill some cops for the sake of spinning the press, which was the whole reason his sniper shot those two uniformed cops after shooting Blake. So it’s more likely that Fisk would try to manipulate Hoffman like he later did Nadeem, whereas he would’ve still found a way to kill Blake after Blake’s failure with the addresses that wouldn't raise suspicion with the non-corrupt elements of the NYPD (it would probably necessitate something like bribing a nurse to administer drugs to Blake to poison him in a way that looks like he had a heart attack), and also intimidate Hoffman into getting in line.

** Just as Matt and Karen had many good reasons why they should defend Frank, Foggy had a number of good reasons why they should not: for starters, Frank as a client goes against everything that Nelson & Murdock stands for. Nelson & Murdock stands for the helpless people and just borderline-criminals in Hell's Kitchen who can't afford high-price lawyers. Frank is not as innocent as those people, considering the crimes he’s committed (and can he even pay them anything?). Plus Foggy knows from his conversation with Marci that Reyes plans to use the Punisher case to advance her own career and she clearly has a grudge against Nelson & Murdock, so defending Frank feels more like career suicide.

** When it comes down to it, Frank's methods put people at risk, and even more so. The debate of if people deserve a chance or can be saved is kind of shown through events in the last episode or so of season 2. Turk, a low level thug that Frank would probably kill (and only lives because Turk has PlotArmor), is convinced by Karen to turn on his ankle bracelet so the cops know where the Hand hostages are. If Matt was the kind of person that Frank is, that would never happen because he would've killed Turk a long time ago, and chances are those people never get found or saved. But at the same time, Matt throws Nobu off the rooftop without a care in the world for what happens to him, because Nobu's done this already. He's had his second chance, he's not going to change. Seasons 1 and 3 had lengthy amounts of time dedicated to exploring the idea of whether or not Matt should kill Fisk.

** It's clear from an audience standpoint that Matt is not responsible for the final outcome of the trial. Either Frank or Elektra alone could arguably be enough to ruin things (since Matt had no idea of Fisk's machinations until right before Frank had his outburst). Now, it's worth pointing out that although Matt can't be blamed for not knowing what Elektra was planning, he ''can'' be blamed for not setting clear boundaries with her. It's unclear if it would've made a difference, but it's certainly something he could have done (although Elektra having never met a boundary she wasn't willing to violate, it's hard to say would've differed there). Meanwhile, Foggy and Karen blaming Matt for the trial going down in flames? Well, even though their perspective is wrong, it's certainly reasonable why they would blame him rather than stop to consider all other factors. Foggy's got his co-counsel, on whom both he and his client are depending, who insisted that they take this case...and then this co-counsel ducks out of discovery, and planning sessions, and misses his opening statement...all of which together certainly could expose Nelson & Murdock to a malpractice lawsuit. So Foggy can easily be led to think, "I can't say for sure that having Matt around would've changed anything. It might have, but we'll never know because he wasn't there." E.g., ''Maybe'' if Matt had worked together with Karen, they could've convinced Frank to cooperate. ''Maybe'' if Matt had been around for planning sessions, he could've come up with another strategy that Elektra couldn't have tanked. ''Maybe'' if Matt had been around for the whole trial, things would've gone such that they wouldn't have felt a need to call Frank to the stand.

** Knowing Elektra, and knowing her clear desire to get out of there as quickly as possible and to not be followed by Matt, she probably took the car. The seventh episode of ''The Defenders'' opens with a flashback that appears to take place directly after the scene at the mansion, in which Elektra meets up with Stick at the waterfront and tells him what happened. She’s driving a different car from the car that was taken to the mansion (Matt and Elektra arrive at the mansion in a black Ferrari 360 Modena, while Elektra is driving a white Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG when she meets with Stick), suggesting that she traded vehicles. This seems like the most likely scenario due to the fact that Matt didn’t actually find her afterward. Despite his shattered emotional state, it seems like he would have at least tried, and as quick and clever as Elektra is, she would have smelled strongly of blood and alcohol and other things that would have made her easy to locate. It's possible also that Elektra hitchhiked/stole some other rich guy's car/had her Mercedes stashed nearby. Heck, the Mercedes might even belong to Sweeney.\\

** As for the lack of retaliation from Sweeney, there are two possible scenarios. One scenario is that Elektra and/or Stick cleaned up the situation soon afterward by sending a hitman to the jail where Sweeney was being held, and killed him and his known associates. This would have protected Matt and Elektra, and avoided any other inconvenient consequences from the botched murder attempt. It's also possible that Sweeney decided to keep quiet to protect his own reputation. Despite his threats to Matt, sending a hitman to kill him would have been admitting that some blind college kid beat him up, and thus showing weakness to anyone looking to take his place in the criminal underworld.

*** At a story level, that's probably because Fisk has a lot more respect for women. Mind you, he's not above going after them (he has Julie killed, and he tried to have Karen killed, although Karen was intentionally causing more problems for Fisk's operation), but it's clear he prefers not to.[[note]]notice that until he learned about Karen's part in Wesley's death, Fisk only targeted her for death as a last resort. It's clear his attempts to have her killed for the Union Allied fiasco were because Matt and Foggy got to her before his people could, and if they hadn't shown up, blackmail would be in order. Wesley's first action upon learning Karen spoke to Fisk's mother was also try to blackmail her, not kill her, further reinforcing this[[/note]] It's also possible that Fisk ''did'' investigate Marci, only to realize that she's smart, skilled and sophisticated enough that going after her would be more work than it's worth, especially compared to going after Foggy's family members.

** It's more likely that Fisk is threatening Betsy's career, not her life. Season 3 establishes that Betsy Beatty isn't just Melvin's girlfriend, but also his parole officer. Parole officers are strictly prohibited from having sexual or strong intimate relationships with the parolees under their charge, because of the great potential for abuse and the power imbalance that exists, not to mention it's a potential parole violation for the parolee. In that regard, Betsy is more useful leverage alive than dead: if Melvin balks at doing Fisk's dirty work, all Fisk has to do is threaten to report Betsy to her bosses at the NYDOC.

*** It gave them time to regroup. Karen’s new job at the ''Bulletin'' gave her the freedom to fight injustice that she so desperately needs, with a boss who knows her backstory and understands her. Foggy’s new firm allowed him to build his confidence as a lawyer, giving him the high-powered legal career he dreamed of in college and offering him an opportunity to finally step out of Matt’s shadow. Matt finally had a minute to, well, figure things out in general, with the events of ''The Defenders'' and season 3 giving him some perspective on how he wants to live, and on how he might balance the two sides of his life. And all of this being an opportunity for them to reflect on their relationships with each other outside of the emotional whirlwind of season 2.

** Foggy is probably at least partially referring to Elektra, but he says it in a way that suggested he was being far more general than that. Foggy is criticizing Matt’s Daredevil identity as a whole, and the danger he’s referring to is every risky situation (Wilson Fisk, Frank Castle, Elektra, the Hand…) that Matt chooses to throw himself into, and which he then escalates and drags back with him into the other parts of his life. Foggy's not accusing Matt of actually creating the danger, he's saying that Matt has a habit of getting himself involved in dangerous situations that wouldn’t have otherwise affected him– and thus the people around him. Matt, by the very nature of his behavior as a superhero, makes violent situations worse, and he is notoriously bad at keeping the two sides of his life separate. Foggy is making solid points… though it does mean he has to be a bit of a hypocrite since he's also ignoring his and Karen’s aptitude for getting into dangerous situations without Matt’s help.

** Things are made more confusing by the flashbacks in season 2 to Matt's college relationship with Elektra, which supposedly happened "ten years ago". But that makes no sense, since undergrad takes four to five years, and law school takes three. If you start undergrad at eighteen, then when you graduate you'll be roughly 21-23 depending on if you do a fifth year. If you go into law school right after, that's another three years, then you'll be roughly 25-26 when you get out. Even if Matt and Foggy spent a full year interning for L&Z, there's no way they'd be any more than 27 years old at the start of the series, from what the show has implied. So having Elektra and Matt be a thing ten years ago is a) insane, b) illogical, and c) impossible, because if Matt nearly bombed out of his Torts and Civ Pro classes while dating her, that sets it in law school, which should only have been a few years before. It's more likely that Matt's old relationship with Elektra was five years before the start of season 1 at most. Season 3 seems to think that, going off the 2012 graduation date printed on Foggy's Bar card when Matt is using it to pose as Foggy at the prison. The "ten years ago" thing is probably beccause the writers were trying to give the audience the feeling that Matt and Elektra have been separated for a long time, which wouldn't work as well if they had broken up in 2011-2012 which is only a couple years prior, without thinking through the details.

** Bill was in debt to the mafia. The mafia also had friends in the police department. If a police report was filed, the mob would know that Bill was dead within a couple of days at the most, and they would most likely demand that the debts be taken up by Marlene and Wilson. Disposing of the body quietly gave them more time to figure out an escape plan. As traumatizing as it must have been to help dispose of his dad's corpse, Marlene probably reckoned it'd be better than having Wilson be made an example of by the mob.

** It's dependent on your interpretation of Don Rigoletto. On one hand, it's possible that if the mafia is after him for a debt, then hiding the fact he's dead might be the worst thing to do because the mob would then positively put pressure on his family. Threatening loved ones to get him to pay is classic LoanShark 101.

** Wilson Fisk was a panicking twelve-year-old child armed with a hammer; how was he to gauge what level of violence was necessary to defend both himself and his mother? Though it's almost certain that the district attorney's office would be no more likely to see things that way than if it were Marlene who struck the blow, it should be noted that there are plenty of women in prison in the United States for killing men under similar circumstances, especially poor women. Furthermore, this was 1972. It's possible Marlene may well have suspected (or at least feared) that if word of Bill's death got out, Wilson would end up institutionalized or worse, rather than receiving appropriate psychiatric care. The fact that she followed up by sending Wilson away to live with relatives suggests she was trying to shield him from negative consequences, whether legal ones or by way of mob retaliation.

** I don't really see the issue here. If they admitted to killing Bill, then his debts would only transfer to them since they are the reason he's not paying. If he disappears, well, I doubt Rigoletto would've touched Wilson or Marlene. Remember that in Ben Urich's first scene, when he meets with Silvio Manfredi at the docks, Silvio says that "back in the day" (which would mean late 1960s/early 1970s) at least the the old mob bosses preferred to see themselves as {{noble demon}}s who left women and children in peace. It was the arrival of new blood like Wilson Fisk that don't respect the old ways that drove Silvio to retire. So they leave the two innocents alone and target Bill alone. They admit they killed him and they don't seem so innocent anymore. And there's no guarantee that Wilson, being a poor Irish-Catholic kid, wouldn't end up in jail if they went to the cops since the legal system may be biased against him (same reason that Matt's father's murder went unsolved).
** Maybe they did file a police report, and the police did investigate, only to find no one really wanted to cooperate since Bill was a complete asshole. They decided it wasn't really worth it, due to this being the 1970s when New York City was going through a massive crime wave, they decided to focus their efforts on more solvable cases.
** In ''The Man Without Fear'' (the Frank Miller alternate retelling of Matt's origin story that most directly inspired season 1, Matt's season 1 and season 3 costumes, and Matt and Elektra's relationship in season 2), Fisk was Rigoletto's bodyguard until he murdered him and took over his operations. Season 1 implies a similar backstory, as Silvio says to Ben Urich that Rigoletto was chopped to pieces. It's entirely possible that Rigoletto had Fisk come work for him to repay the debts that Fisk's father owed him. This makes the most sense of any theories, since Fisk would need someone like Rigoletto in his corner to ensure that all records of his father were erased, and erase almost all records of his mother that could prove that Marlene Waller (and later Marlene Vistain) was Marlene Fisk.

** There's a lot of blind people in Hell's Kitchen alone, not to mention all of New York City a whole. Just because ''one'' blind lawyer happens to be opposing legally you doesn't mean he's also the Man in Black kicking your ass physically. Murdock doesn't have a choice to oppose him as a lawyer either. His client says 'Go to court' so he has to take it to court. It's the same reason people don't realize Bruce Wayne is Batman; there's no reason to go looking for Batman around Wayne. Also there are fabrics thin enough that you can see through them up close but yet thick enough people can't see through them at a distance. And he's not the first superhero to wear a mask with no visible eyes. [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110921210232/marvel_dc/images/7/79/Batgirl_Cassandra_Cain_0051.jpg Case in point.]]

** That's assuming this was the end game. Assuming Creel was on the mob payroll (or if they just assumed they could put him on the payroll), Jack taking a dive to Creel could have just been planned as the lead-in for a later fight against an underdog that they planned to have Creel throw for a major upset. We don't know how much Jack was getting paid, but it probably wasn't a huge amount of money. Jack had a pretty good reputation as a fighter himself, so even if they thought Creel would win, it would be worth it to guarantee it.

*** We don't really know what endgame the mob had in mind for Creel's career. They may have lost an opportunity bigger than the amount of money riding directly on the fight. Not to mention, [[AnOfferYouCantRefuse disobeying the mob generally is what gets you a bullet to the head.]]

** And then Turk's house arrest allowed the Hand's plan to fail and Daredevil not killing Castle and saving him when he was too deep in with the Kitchen Irishis the reason Punisher helped him in the finale. Even Stick's killing routine bit him in the ass and almost made ''Elektra willfully joining the Hand''. It's easy to go "at least this criminal won't bother us", yes, but what if the other criminals get wind of a psycho ready to track them to put a bullet in your head? The show already answered: You have the likes of Finn Cooley ordering to torture store owners for info, or the likes of Wilson Fisk who uses Castle to dispose of Dutton and take over the prison drug trade.

** Matt doesn't believe in the justice system that's why he is clearly working outside of it. Most of what he does is justice as much as police brutality and torture is part of the justice system. Even Potter points out that while not a villain, Daredevil does not have a shield either. The only reason the NYPD gives Daredevil more leeway than Castle, is that unlike Castle, Daredevil doesn't gut Mexican Cartel members on meat hooks or machine-gun Kitchen Irish bosses with armor-piercing ammunition. It's only starting in season 2 that Matt really tries to make it look like the justice system is effective (asking Brett to take the credit for the collar so it wouldn't look like a vigilant turf war at worst, or that the cops are over their heads and they need less ethical groups to fight crime at best, and again, restore public trust in the NYPD after the revelation of how deep Fisk's corruption went). Plus since shooting when you're blind is a terrible idea the only way he could kill someone would be horribly messy and slow (if he caves Turk's head with his baton no one will be ok with that).

-->'''Matt Murdock:''' The people you murder deserve another chance.
-->'''Frank Castle:''' What, to kill again? Rape again? Is that what you want?
-->'''Daredevil:''' No, Frank. To try again, Frank. To try. And if you don't get that, there's something broken in you that you can't fix.

** In the ''Daredevil'' and ''Punisher'' comic ''The Devil in Cell Block D'' (which incidentally was a source of inspiration for the Wilson Fisk subplot in season 2), Matt goes to jail and is beaten daily for being Daredevil. When he witnesses Foggy getting stabbed, that's almost enough to break him. You know who saves him from going down that path? Its Frank Castle because Frank doesn't want Matt to become him. Because he knows there's no turning back. Matt actually kills in the comics (though he wasn't himself when he committed the act) and it completely destroys him. He could easily have chalked it up to the Beast possessing him but no, he took full responsibility of his actions to the point that he gives up being Daredevil to find atonement and asks T'Challa to take his place. To understand Matt is to understand how the character functions in the gray areas of morality and how he tried to balance the dark and light.

** Actually the plan was never to hang Karen in her cell. That was a last-minute change when things didn't go as planned, as Matt suggested to Karen when she was in his apartment. Likely Rance left evidence that forensics found. Going to court means giving that up and Karen may get off on reasonable doubt if someone else was in the apartment. They can't hold it since too many non-corrupt people would know of it and hiding evidence is a BIG Brady violation. Thus the suicide plan. If things had gone right, likely Karen would be tried and gone though hell. And just when thing seem hopeless, someone, likely Wesley or even Donovan, appears and offers to make it all go away if she gives up the file she stole. So the cops were never intended to kill Karen. Likely it was just a coincidence that made for a dramatic shot.

** That's why Wesley insists on "my employer" and hushes anyone who says Fisk's name, and why Healy kills himself after he gives the name up to Matt. At first, until that press conference that Fisk held, he puts a lot of effort into remaining so far behind the scenes that only a trusted number of Fisk's inner circle guys know he even exists, let alone is the man calling the shots. He attempts to control his underlings through a combination of fear and respect. But he's starting to lose that fear (primarily among the Russians), which is part of why he has cops on the payroll to take care of anyone who blabs (thus increasing the fear of his other underlings.) But there's still a lot of alarm among Fisk's higher-ups that someone gave up the name, and Wesley and Fisk indeed ponder what would have happened if Fisk's loyal cops hadn't been there. It's the first cracks in the foundation of Fisk's empire, cracks Matt sets out to find and exploit, since he was there and overheard Blake and Hoffman murdering Piotr.

[[folder:Brett can't recognize Murdock's voice?]]

*** Brett probably knows Matt is Daredevil as of season 3 episode 12, seeing as Matt was dressed in his black Daredevil clothes when he and Foggy delivered Nadeem's family to Brett and his mother, and Brett presumably was aware of the other details regarding Matt and Daredevil's disappearances at Midland Circle. And if Brett didn't know it then, then he might have put two and two together when Foggy approached him at the scene where Matt interrogated Felix Manning and warned him about Daredevil maybe planning to kill Fisk.

--->'''Elden Henson:''' It is changing, but it’s also much of the same. Matt and Foggy have a brotherly kind of relationship. Ultimately, Foggy just really cares about his well-being, no matter what he’s doing. He just wants him to be safe and he wants to protect this thing that they’ve built together. And now that Karen has entered their lives, he just really wants to keep everything the same. He gets a little bit stressed out with change.

*** When Foggy found out Matt’s secret in the comics, it was after Daredevil had been in action for years, and had shown himself to be a capable and formidable superhero. He discovers Matt-as-Daredevil while Matt is in a state of emotional shock, but not in any kind of imminent danger[[note]]To elaborate, Matt has faked his own death for the umpteenth time, and is operating almost exclusively as a new, tougher version of Daredevil, and for the everyday activities that require a civilian identity, he comes up with a new persona with the [[SarcasmMode not-at-all-conspicuous name]] of "Jack Batlin". Life for “new” Daredevil is going about as well as Matt had hoped, until some guy shows up wearing the original yellow DD outfit, claiming to be the real Daredevil. Matt becomes increasingly confused and unsure of his own identity. This, combined with the sudden death of his ex-girlfriend Glorianna O'Breen, and the triggering of some suppressed memories from his childhood, causes him to have a huge mental breakdown. These are the less-than-ideal circumstances in which Karen and Foggy find him[[/note]]. In the show, when Foggy discovers Matt’s secret, it is while he is unconscious and bleeding on the floor of his apartment after trying some unsuccessful amateur heroics. And he has to discover Matt unconscious and bleeding ''again'' in the second episode of season 2 after trying to take on Frank Castle. Essentially, the show's Foggy reacts similar to how the comics' Karen reacted when finding out Matt's secret. Comics!!Karen discovered that Matt was Daredevil when Daredevil was still a relatively new superhero[[note]]That time around, Matt had faked his death– to throw off a supervillain who had discovered his secret identity, and he was operating as Daredevil full-time. At this point, one of his major life goals was marrying Karen, and with Matt “dead”, he planned to propose to her as Daredevil and then make up a permanent new civilian identity for himself. Fortunately, the supervillain in question died, the threat to his secret identity passed, and he was free to use his real name again. He decided that he was going to propose to Karen once and for all, and to do that, he needed to let her know that he was still alive… and he also needed to tell her about his secret superheroics. He bid his time, and in Vol. 1 #57 he broke the news to her in the least romantic situation possible: right after her father’s funeral.[[/note]]. There are clear similarities here between the show's version of Foggy and the early comics version of Karen. Unsurprisingly, both are insistent upon the idea of "You're going to get yourself killed if you keep this up. You know that, right?" Karen and Matt have similar arguments to those between Matt and Foggy in the show, and they have a major falling out over Matt’s refusal to give up his life as a superhero. Karen does eventually come to accept that Matt knows what he’s doing, but it takes a very long time before she is completely convinced that he isn’t going to end up dead in an alley somewhere.

** Think of it with something that [[Series/{{Castle}} Richard Castle]] said in the pilot of his show: "At one death you look for motive, at two you look for connection...at three you look for someone like Kyle; at three you don't need motive because mentally unstable serial killers don't usually have one." So if the sniper shot just Blake, they'd look for a motive and whatnot. With two collateral victims (three if you count Officer Sullivan), there's less of a need to look for motive.

** Through the windshield, not the guy's chest. The stick is lodged in the glass and he retrieves it later. [[RealityEnsues Although, crashing a large vehicle in that way should lead to several, potentially life-threatening injuries.]]

** Add to that the fact that immediately prior to his escape, he was in solitary after he (as the outside world sees it) somehow gaining access to a secure wing of Riker's, and killing the prison kingpin and his gang. Another thing that could only have been accomplished with inside help. There would be a thorough investigation. Fisk may have many of the guards at Riker's in his control, but he probably doesn't have any NYDOC investigators in his pocket and certainly no longer has anyone in the NYPD in his pocket.

** He wasn't being 100% literal, he meant he wanted to make a deal that would put him in witness protection and out of the city, away from the Punisher. Just leaving Kell's Kitchen would just mean he wold die somewhere else once the Punisher finds him, he needed some sort of protection.

** Well, for the most part, their actions are in self-defense or direct defense of others. There's a big difference, morally and legally between justifiable homicide, and murder. Granted, there ''is'' still a moral dissonance here, as Tony Stark personally went after criminals himself in the first and third Iron Man movies, and in both, did what could very well be described as murder by leaving Raja's second-in-command in the hands of a lynch mob and leaving a guard he knocked out submerged headfirst in a fountain. In which cases, however, the public doesn't know about either incident, they only know Stark set out to fight terrorists, and terrorist casualties resulted. No one can conclusively say whether or not said casualties were out of self-defense. With Castle, they ''know'' and have conclusive ''proof'' that he murdered dozens.

** I think they wanted to scapegoat Matt for Vladimir's murder and whole gang war that happened. They can say they broke out the fight, the masked men took one of their guns, and shot Vladimir while they were cuffing them. Fisk wasn't personally gunning for Daredevil and the media circus around the vigilante trial would have kept the press occupied for when Fisk starts doing nasty business practice.

** Fisk already decided that Blake was incompetent, for losing his phone to the man in the mask. Also, Blake had too much knowledge for Fisk to afford to simply have him fired or even just moved to a non-administrative position. Plus, Fisk really wanted to kill some cops for the sake of spinning the press, which was the whole reason his sniper shot those two uniformed cops after shooting Blake. So it’s more likely that Fisk would try to manipulate Hoffman like he later did Nadeem, whereas he would’ve still found a way to kill Blake after Blake’s failure with the addresses that wouldn't raise suspicion with the non-corrupt elements of the NYPD (it would probably necessitate something like bribing a nurse to administer drugs to Blake to poison him in a way that looks like he had a heart attack), and also intimidate Hoffman into getting in line.

** When it comes down to it, Frank's methods put people at risk, and even more so. The debate of if people deserve a chance or can be saved is kind of shown through events in the last episode or so of season 2. Turk, a low level thug that Frank would probably kill (and only lives because Turk has PlotArmor), is convinced by Karen to turn on his ankle bracelet so the cops know where the Hand hostages are. If Matt was the kind of person that Frank is, that would never happen because he would've killed Turk a long time ago, and chances are those people never get found or saved. But at the same time, Matt throws Nobu off the rooftop without a care in the world for what happens to him, because Nobu's done this already. He's had his second chance, he's not going to change. Season 1 had an entire episode and then some more dedicated to exploring the idea of whether or not Matt should kill Fisk.

** Frank's headshot on Matt was likely to HandWave why he gets surprised by non supernaturally stealthy people (which, come to think of it Elektra kind of is, since she has the same ability to cloak herself that ninjas like the Hand's do) in future episodes and series: his ear drums are messed up. And that's not counting regular beatings he gets, and cold night conditions, which make it more difficult for Matt to use his senses passively.

** Perhaps the bigger question is why didn't Marci end up incurring Fisk's wrath in season 3? Fisk was willing to blackmail Foggy by leveraging his brother and parents, but he could just as much have gone after Marci, and used dirt on her (how privy was she to the other corruption that was going on at Landman & Zack? We don't know) to blackmail Foggy as part of a two-tiered attack.

** Season 3 establishes that Fisk was convicted of five RICO counts in federal court. While they never say which crimes of his explicitly made up those five counts, WMG has to be used to speculate. Everything Marci smuggled out of Landman & Zack was able to implicate Fisk in a variety of fraud charges, and if Parish Landman turned state's witness, he probably testified to the connection between Fisk and Owlsley. Senator Cherryh likely linked Fisk to political corruption and gave up the names of other people receiving bribes from Fisk. And while Fisk is known by the press to be a cop killer who ordered the murders of Detective Blake and the other cops (as evidenced by some of the protesters' signs outside the Presidential Hotel), he never was convicted of that, as evidenced by the conversation between Hattley, Nadeem, the Police Commissioner and Blake Tower prior to Fisk's transfer. When the Commissioner snorts "Good, he's a cop killer" after learning Fisk had been shanked, Hattley fires back "That wasn't proven in court." What we're probably meant to imply from this is that Fisk's lawyers were able to suppress Hoffman's testimony (which is pretty understandable, seeing as with Blake's murder, the only evidence of Fisk directly ordering Hoffman to kill Blake is Hoffman himself, since the only other person in the room when the order was given--Wesley--is dead).

** Matt throws one of his escrima sticks at Nobu's oncoming attack, which deflects the stick into the lightbulb. The stick leaves Matt's hand at a straight angle towards Nobu, not upward towards the light. It was almost certainly an accident.

** That makes perfect sense...within the confines of Season 1. Come Season 2, it's revealed that Nobu survived the incident, or he died, and got resurrected by the same means through which the Hand revived Harold Meachum and Elektra. Matt is shocked and was seemingly 100% convinced the guy was dead saying he saw him burn to death. And Stick implies that it's not the first time Nobu survived something fatal like that. Which means the only explanation is that Matt considered it an accident and feels little guilt about his involvement in quite a grizzly burning.

** Matt feels he didn’t break his code because he didn’t actually pull a finishing move on Nobu. He fought Nobu, Nobu caught fire unintentionally, and Matt didn’t exactly rush to put the fire out. Still incredibly sketchy, but definitely not murder, in the sense that it wasn’t pre-meditated (and Matt would probably have a legal justice system definition of murder). Let's remember that none of the Defenders (except for when Jessica Jones killed Kilgrave) have ever pulled finishing moves. They fight and then the bad guy dies by some other way - usually killed by a non-Defender character (like how Stick decapitated Nobu, Karen killed Wesley, Fisk killed the Russians, Colleen killed Bakuto, Ward shot Harold Meachum, Elektra killed Alexandra, Trish killed Jessica's mom, Mariah killed Cottonmouth, Tilda killed Mariah, etc.). In the MCU, the Marvel superheroes can’t kill, but certain villains require killing. So it's always ancillary characters who actually do the killing, or the killing proves to be non-fatal.[[note]]The only exception to this has been Jessica, and her show made it super clear that she had to be the one to do it, and that murdering Kilgrave in her first season was the right way to go and she had already exhausted her other options. And she was torn up about it, so it didn't help when she killed Dale in her second season in what was very reasonable self-defense[[/note]].

** Who said it doesn't have eye holes? [[http://www.newsarama.com/24070-netflix-reveals-daredevil-s-red-costume.html Case in point.]] Further, the promotional artwork, like [[http://herocomplex.latimes.com/tv/daredevil-see-charlie-cox-don-the-red-costume-in-new-netflix-image/ this example]], suggests reflective pieces. All of that suggests, to me, standard eye-pieces in standard eye holes. That makes sense for keeping part of the secret--that the man beneath the mask doesn't ''need'' them. Further supporting the idea that the eye pieces are normal ones is the fact that in season 3, Fisk forces Melvin to build a copy of the costume for Dex to wear and there's no indication Melvin did any alteration to the designs he made for Matt other than slight adjustments to accommodate Dex's physique (which also explains why the costume looks weird on Dex).

** It's really strange, considering that Matt does still have the black costume, and in fact he has to use it in season 3 because of the rest of the red suit being damaged in Midland Circle and him having to borrow materials from the donation bins at the church (then he has to continue doing so out of necessity because of Fisk making Melvin produce a Daredevil suit for Dex).

** Melvin Potter is a prime example of a man who went from working for Fisk to helping Matt. Granted, Fisk was threatening him but it's stated more than once that Melvin had a history of violence and that Betsy Beatty is his parole officer (as firmly revealed in season 3). He seems like a nice guy these days and Matt was likely thinking of him when he made that statement.