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"How'd none of the boys impregnate any of the girls?" isnt a headscratcher. It's just stating "There's no way I personally would've had any self control in their situation". Headscratcher pages are not for opinions, much less gross ones.


* The students have been living together at Hope's Peak Academy for two years. Problem is, they're in the right age range to reasonably assume they are going through puberty. How is it possible that 15 hormone-filled teenagers live together for two years without, y'know, one of the guys impregnating one of the girls? In chapter 2, Monokuma even says he doesn't care what happens in the dorm rooms.
** They just didn't have sex? That's an entirely valid possibility.
** Before the killing game started, there were teachers to control the public order. After it did, well... [[https://lparchive.org/Danganronpa-Trigger-Happy-Havoc/Update%20133/62-550.png give them ten years]].
** I ''really'' do not understand what this is asking. Before the "The Tragedy" happened and the "killing game" started, the character were living a normal school life on a normal school campus. Plus they were just one class out of the school of many other classes, all of whom lived on the same campus. You know...like any other private high school. Are you seriously asking how a bunch of ''high school kids'' managed to make it through two school years without giving their classmates teenage pregnancies? I honestly cannot comprehend why you think this would be the norm, let alone impossible to ''not'' occur. That goes double in Japanese society.
** Hope's Peak stocked up on condoms and made sure to teach good sex-ed?
** We have long term contraceptive implants for women. Perhaps the girls were given them, with or without their knowledge.
** Short answer: Pretty much all the girls in the cast have either professional or personal reasons to avoid getting pregnant. Long version:
*** Sakura and Asahina are both athletes who wouldn't want to risk their ability to compete by getting pregnant.
*** Sayaka and Junko (in her persona, anyway) have PR-heavy careers, and a pregnancy would cause a potentially career-ending scandal.
*** Toko wouldn't want to have a kid with anybody but Byakuya, and he's decidedly not into that prospect.
*** Mukuro, as a soldier, would likely want to stay in top fighting form.
*** Kyoko has an almost "married to the job" approach to her detective work. Even if she did decide to have sex with someone, she's absolutely meticulous enough to make sure there wouldn't be any unexpected outcomes.
*** Celeste seems to prefer emotionally manipulating people and getting people to validate her persona over actually engaging in anything physically, but even if she did, as a gmbler she'd probably identify "having a baby" as coming down firmly on the "con" side of the pro vs. con scale.
*** Also, if any of them ''did'' get knocked up, they know they'd have to deal with Kiyotaka getting on their case about it, and nobody wants that.
** The students attened the school for 2 years, but were only trapped in it for 1 of them (when the tragedy started outside). For a normal real life high schooler, the simple act of attending high school for 2 years doesnt necessarily mean being sexually attracted to your classmates, regardless of puberty. "How'd none of the boys impregnate any of the girls?" isnt so much a "problem" as much as it's stating "There's no way I personally would've had any self control in their situation".
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* Are there more schools like Hope's Peak or Ultimate Academy for Gifted Juveniles in Japan? If there are, where the hell are they? Is the concept of SHSL/Ultimate talents a Japanese thing, or do these schools exist in other countries? Sonia came to Hope's Peak to study as the Ultimate Princess, so either A) This kind of school doesn't exist in her home country, or B) Hope's Peak is just a really good ultimate academy. Why the hell does DRV3 take place in a school, anyway? Couldn't it have been filmed in a different facility? Where did the other 51 killing games take place? Why are the killing game contestants ALWAYS ultimate?

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* Are there more schools like Hope's Peak or Ultimate Academy for Gifted Juveniles in Japan? If there are, where the hell are they? Is the concept of SHSL/Ultimate talents a Japanese thing, or do these schools exist in other countries? Sonia came to Hope's Peak to study as the Ultimate Princess, so either A) This kind of school doesn't exist in her home country, or B) Hope's Peak is just a really good ultimate academy. Why the hell does DRV3 [=DRV3=] take place in a school, anyway? Couldn't it have been filmed in a different facility? Where did the other 51 killing games take place? Why are the killing game contestants ALWAYS ultimate?
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** That is true but since the game is broadcasted and Monokuma doesn't want the game to be boring, he'll probably continue to ramp up the motives until something happens.

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** *** That is true but since the game is broadcasted and Monokuma doesn't want the game to be boring, he'll probably continue to ramp up the motives until something happens.
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** Monokuma claims that if no one commits murder, then all of them can just live in the school with their basic needs taken care of.

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** Monokuma claims that if no one commits murder, then all of them can just live in the school with their basic needs taken care of.of.
** That is true but since the game is broadcasted and Monokuma doesn't want the game to be boring, he'll probably continue to ramp up the motives until something happens.
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* Even if that is the case, no one's going to be concerned about how affably someone relays information, but rather, what they're saying and the evidence behind it. Even then, Kyoko isn't mean or anything, so the cast wouldn't mind listening to her, unlike Byakuya. Whether Makoto or Kyoko gives the cast a push in the right direction, they'll listen.

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* *** Even if that is the case, no one's going to be concerned about how affably someone relays information, but rather, what they're saying and the evidence behind it. Even then, Kyoko isn't mean or anything, so the cast wouldn't mind listening to her, unlike Byakuya. Whether Makoto or Kyoko gives the cast a push in the right direction, they'll listen.
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* Even if that is the case, no one’s going to be concerned about how affably someone relays information, but rather, what they’re saying and the evidence behind it. Even then, Kyoko isn’t mean or anything, so the cast wouldn’t mind listening to her, unlike Byakuya. Whether Makoto or Kyoko gives the cast a push in the right direction, they’ll listen.
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** The existence of the walls just brings up another question: why did they bother planting trees if they know there won’t be any sunlight to keep them alive? (AND HOW HAVE THE TREES SURVIVED THAT LONG?!) Maybe this is just Junko fucking with us? I have so many questions…
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*** With the localized UsefulNotes/PSVita release and the bonus Dangan Academy sim, there is now solid support to this theory. Some of the character endings include using information that Makoto couldn't get from free time events like Celeste's dream of a luxurious life. More directly, Sayaka's ending has her mentioning a promise she knows Makoto didn't make. Makoto then gets a flashback of that promise from the main story after the first motive was given. Considering that Dangan Academy makes it clear that it takes place in an alternate universe where the killings didn't even have a chance to get started, the idea of Makoto getting psychic powers is suddenly not so ridiculous.

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*** With the localized UsefulNotes/PSVita Platform/PSVita release and the bonus Dangan Academy sim, there is now solid support to this theory. Some of the character endings include using information that Makoto couldn't get from free time events like Celeste's dream of a luxurious life. More directly, Sayaka's ending has her mentioning a promise she knows Makoto didn't make. Makoto then gets a flashback of that promise from the main story after the first motive was given. Considering that Dangan Academy makes it clear that it takes place in an alternate universe where the killings didn't even have a chance to get started, the idea of Makoto getting psychic powers is suddenly not so ridiculous.
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*** Even if someone could kill Kyoko, she’s too smart to die as she could probably figure out who wants her dead. Plus, as the motives strictly drive people to kill certain players (Sayaka specifically killing Leon for bait, Mondo killing Chihiro in a fit of jealous rage, Celeste targeting Taka and Hifumi since they’re the only one she could kill for her plan to work), wouldn’t she realize that as long as she doesn’t ruffle some feathers, she’d be safe, and that the cast isn’t smart enough to target people like her, Makoto, Byakuya, or Celestia?
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** The motivations only worked on the specific people that ended up killing over it. No one else had a reason to kill people over the motive that was given, so they don't. That's supposed the game's logic on it anyhow. The first motive freaked out the others, but only Sayaka had a fear of abandonment and emotional dependence on outside persons that would drive her to murder. The Dark Secrets motive explicitly stated it wouldn't be a problem after someone killed (which ended up being Mondo). The money motive only worked on Celestia because a)she was utterly desperate to escape from the beginning and cracking further the longer she stayed (and it's possible her motive video would've contributed to her decision although she never said it), and b) she had a very specific desire she needed that money for; The others are either not interested in money (Kyoko, Sakura, Aoi), already rich enough for their own desires (Byakuya and Toko, who's probably fairly wealthy through her writing career), or just can't be persuaded to kill (Jack, Yasuhiro, Makoto). Sakura's suicide was specifically meant to stop the fourth motive from ever working, and that's the last one Monokuma has.

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** The motivations only worked on the specific people that ended up killing over it. No one else had a reason to kill people over the motive that was given, so they don't. That's supposed the game's logic on it anyhow. The first motive freaked out the others, but only Sayaka had a fear of abandonment and emotional dependence on outside persons that would drive her to murder. The Dark Secrets motive explicitly stated it wouldn't be a problem after someone killed (which ended up being Mondo). The money motive only worked on Celestia because a)she was utterly desperate to escape from the beginning and cracking further the longer she stayed (and it's possible her motive video would've contributed to her decision although she never said it), and b) she had a very specific desire she needed that money for; The others are either not interested in money (Kyoko, Sakura, Aoi), Aoi, Kiyotaka), already rich enough for their own desires (Byakuya (Byakuya, Hifumi and Toko, who's Toko- the latter two are probably fairly already independently wealthy through her writing career), from their artistic careers), or just can't be persuaded to kill (Jack, Yasuhiro, Makoto). Sakura's suicide was specifically meant to stop the fourth motive from ever working, and that's the last one Monokuma has.
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** The motivations only worked on the specific people that ended up killing over it. No one else had a reason to kill people over the motive that was given, so they don't. That's supposed the game's logic on it anyhow. The first motive freaked out the others, but only Sayaka had a fear of abandonment and emotional dependence on outside persons that would drive her to murder. The Dark Secrets motive explicitly stated it wouldn't be a problem after someone killed (which ended up being Mondo). Th money motive only worked on Celestia because a)she was utterly desperate to escape from the beginning and cracking further the longer she stayed (and it's possible her motive video would've contributed to her decision although she never said it), and b) she had a very specific desire she needed that money for; The others are either not interested in money (Kyoko, Sakura, Aoi), already rich enough for their own desires (Byakuya and Toko, who's probably fairly wealthy through her writing career), or just can't be persuaded to kill (Jack, Yasuhiro, Makoto). Sakura's suicide was specifically meant to stop the fourth motive from ever working, and that's the last one Monokuma has.

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** The motivations only worked on the specific people that ended up killing over it. No one else had a reason to kill people over the motive that was given, so they don't. That's supposed the game's logic on it anyhow. The first motive freaked out the others, but only Sayaka had a fear of abandonment and emotional dependence on outside persons that would drive her to murder. The Dark Secrets motive explicitly stated it wouldn't be a problem after someone killed (which ended up being Mondo). Th The money motive only worked on Celestia because a)she was utterly desperate to escape from the beginning and cracking further the longer she stayed (and it's possible her motive video would've contributed to her decision although she never said it), and b) she had a very specific desire she needed that money for; The others are either not interested in money (Kyoko, Sakura, Aoi), already rich enough for their own desires (Byakuya and Toko, who's probably fairly wealthy through her writing career), or just can't be persuaded to kill (Jack, Yasuhiro, Makoto). Sakura's suicide was specifically meant to stop the fourth motive from ever working, and that's the last one Monokuma has.
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** The motivations only worked on the specific people that ended up killing over it. No one else had a reason to kill people over the motive that was given, so they don't. That's supposed the game's logic on it anyhow. Regarding the first motive, Sayaka had a specific 'complex' regarding her group that the motive tapped into. Whereas everyone else was just traumatised as you might expect, but not enough for it to drive them to kill. Only Mondo and Chihiro's secrets were big enough for it to cause a murder to happen (don't forget that Makoto's 'secret' was about him wetting the bed. The rest of the cast just seem to consider their secrets "embarrassing" as apposed to something that'll ruin their lives). And as for the money, only Celeste was desperate enough for the money to bring herself to kill for it, due to her big dream that she was desperate to achieve. No one else had any ''specific'' reason for wanting a lot of money, outside of any typical frivolous desires any person would have (and in Byakuya's case, he had no need for money in the first place). Basically, all the motives specifically targeted the people that it did. The killings were calculated, and planned via this method.

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** The motivations only worked on the specific people that ended up killing over it. No one else had a reason to kill people over the motive that was given, so they don't. That's supposed the game's logic on it anyhow. Regarding the The first motive, motive freaked out the others, but only Sayaka had a specific 'complex' regarding her group fear of abandonment and emotional dependence on outside persons that the would drive her to murder. The Dark Secrets motive tapped into. Whereas everyone else was just traumatised as you might expect, but not enough for explicitly stated it to drive them to kill. Only Mondo and Chihiro's secrets were big enough for it to cause wouldn't be a murder to happen (don't forget that Makoto's 'secret' was about him wetting the bed. The rest of the cast just seem to consider their secrets "embarrassing" as apposed to something that'll ruin their lives). And as for the money, only Celeste was desperate enough for the problem after someone killed (which ended up being Mondo). Th money to bring herself to kill for it, due to her big dream that she motive only worked on Celestia because a)she was utterly desperate to achieve. No one else escape from the beginning and cracking further the longer she stayed (and it's possible her motive video would've contributed to her decision although she never said it), and b) she had any ''specific'' reason a very specific desire she needed that money for; The others are either not interested in money (Kyoko, Sakura, Aoi), already rich enough for wanting a lot of money, outside of any typical frivolous their own desires any person would have (and in Byakuya's case, he had no need for money in the first place). Basically, all the motives (Byakuya and Toko, who's probably fairly wealthy through her writing career), or just can't be persuaded to kill (Jack, Yasuhiro, Makoto). Sakura's suicide was specifically targeted meant to stop the people that it did. The killings were calculated, fourth motive from ever working, and planned via this method.that's the last one Monokuma has.
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**** ''Goodbye Despair'' reveals that one of the Despairs was Ultimate Mechanic Kazuichi Soda, so it's entirely possible that he built execution machines for everyone in advance.
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**** Just because nobody ''does'' doesn't mean that nobody ''could''. Byakuya, for example, had explicitly declared his intent to commit murder and has proven himself to be smart and a fairly competent planner, making it likely that he'd try to kill the person he judged as the biggest threat during trials, instead of the person he judged most likely to fall for a trap like Sayaka and Celestia.
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** I've never gotten this idea that Kyoko goes into every class trial knowing exactly who the killer is. Likely as not she herself is still piecing it together as the trial is progressing. I would think she figures it out shortly before Makoto does. As for why she lets Makoto take the lead... there could be many reasons but I think the biggest one is that she just realizes Makoto is more charismatic than she herself is, more of a natural leader. She could lay down the facts, but Makoto can lay down the facts ''with feeling.''
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* So what would've happened if no one murdered anyone else? Was that option even possible?

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* So what would've happened if no one murdered anyone else? Was that option even possible?possible?
** Monokuma claims that if no one commits murder, then all of them can just live in the school with their basic needs taken care of.
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* We know all the details of the chapter 5 murder by the end of the game, but there are two very obvious points of investigation that the characters just seems to not consider at all. The first is Toko/Genocide Jack as a suspect. She goes off alone and returns saying she found the body, but it seems entirely possible she could have either killed the victim or arranged the body when she was discovering it. I mean, she didn't, but not a single character suspects her even though she literally is a serial killer. This could have easily been remedied by having another character go with her. The other potential suspect that is entirely logical is Byakuya. He was the only one with the key to Kyoko's room where the damning evidence for her is found (and he had it a full day before the murder). Even with the reveal that Kyoko has a key that can open any door that doesn't mean Byakuya couldn't have tried to set her up. He seems to be way more suspicious than Makoto by the sudden end of the trial. And if he was accused at this point it actually would have added to the chaotic and uncertain end of that trial.

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* We know all the details of the chapter 5 murder by the end of the game, but there are two very obvious points of investigation that the characters just seems to not consider at all. The first is Toko/Genocide Jack as a suspect. She goes off alone and returns saying she found the body, but it seems entirely possible she could have either killed the victim or arranged the body when she was discovering it. I mean, she didn't, but not a single character suspects her even though she literally is a serial killer. This could have easily been remedied by having another character go with her. The other potential suspect that is entirely logical is Byakuya. He was the only one with the key to Kyoko's room where the damning evidence for her is found (and he had it a full day before the murder). Even with the reveal that Kyoko has a key that can open any door that doesn't mean Byakuya couldn't have tried to set her up. He seems to be way more suspicious than Makoto by the sudden end of the trial. And if he was accused at this point it actually would have added to the chaotic and uncertain end of that trial.trial.
* So what would've happened if no one murdered anyone else? Was that option even possible?
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*** Still, no one tries to kill her at all even though they all know how smart she is. Can’t she just say who the killer is?
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**** She was targetted because she was poking around an off-limits area, not because she was helping Makoto with the Trials.
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** Well, for one thing, ''none'' of the options in the 5th trial are the truth, since the whole thing was staged. Secondly, aside from Kyoko lying, a major theme of the killing game is friendships being betrayed. When that happens, the game progresses as normal, and when it ''doesn't'', the game breaks, as shown by the aftermath of Sakura's suicide. Makoto is probably the closest think Kyoko has to a friend and she did save his life, so by allowing her to be framed he plays into Junko's hands. By doing what Junko doesn't expect and sacrificing himself to save her, he forces things OffTheRails.

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** Well, for one thing, ''none'' of the options in the 5th trial are the truth, since the whole thing was staged. Secondly, aside from Kyoko lying, a major theme of the killing game is friendships being betrayed. When that happens, the game progresses as normal, and when it ''doesn't'', the game breaks, as shown by the aftermath of Sakura's suicide. Makoto is probably the closest think Kyoko has to a friend and she did save his life, so by allowing her to be framed he plays into Junko's hands. By doing what Junko doesn't expect and sacrificing himself to save her, he forces things OffTheRails.OffTheRails.
*We know all the details of the chapter 5 murder by the end of the game, but there are two very obvious points of investigation that the characters just seems to not consider at all. The first is Toko/Genocide Jack as a suspect. She goes off alone and returns saying she found the body, but it seems entirely possible she could have either killed the victim or arranged the body when she was discovering it. I mean, she didn't, but not a single character suspects her even though she literally is a serial killer. This could have easily been remedied by having another character go with her. The other potential suspect that is entirely logical is Byakuya. He was the only one with the key to Kyoko's room where the damning evidence for her is found (and he had it a full day before the murder). Even with the reveal that Kyoko has a key that can open any door that doesn't mean Byakuya couldn't have tried to set her up. He seems to be way more suspicious than Makoto by the sudden end of the trial. And if he was accused at this point it actually would have added to the chaotic and uncertain end of that trial.
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** They're saying that when it's revealed that the body found was the same person impaled with spears, why were they so certain that this person was Mukuro and not Junko? Aside from the tattoo (which wouldn't be hard to fake) it's entirely logical that Junko was a regular student killed and then had her body reused by the mastermind Mukuro. The logical leap to the fact that the Junko they met was actually Mukuro is a bit stretched and depends entirely on evidence that isn't all that solid.
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**She very easily could have been sleeping on the second floor of the dorms. That would still very much count. In fact, there even is a room on the second floor dorms you can enter that your are never required to (I think) that could exist just to answer this question. On the subject of sleep though,
*Everyone except Makoti should be pretty wrecked by Chapter 6. They stayed up the entire night in Chapter 5 when Monokuma stopped working, then did a class trial and then summerly started searching the school for any changes and Makoto shows up and they learn about the second trial which investigation phase begins when it's already night time and goes pretty much throughout the night as the ending seem to suggest they leave at dawn. That's like 48 hours without sleep. Even if they had a quick power nap after Makoto's execution before searching the school they still should be exhausted during the second trial.
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* If Kyoko has information about the trial and/or straight-up know who the culprit is, why doesn’t she tell everyone instead of giving hints to Makoto? Doesn’t she know that her life is on the line if her classmates get it wrong? At least Byakuya does it to make things interesting.
** It’s a visual novel. It’d be boring if another character did everything.
*** Yes, but what about an in-universe explanation?
** She does this to avoid having a target painted on her back.
*** And yet, even with the breadcrumbs she provides for the player, the Mastermind still targets her.
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**** That Mukuro didn't think that through is excusable though, as up to the moment she had Monokuma pinned, everything had gone exactly to plan. Right before Monokuma started waddling at her (at least in the NISA translation), he says "I might... I dunno, throw you in a deep, dark, scary prison or something", keying Mukuro in that the plan was still on. Worse comes to worst, Junko could have said that since Monokuma made it physical and Mukuro's resistance was minimal (stepping on him to stop him as opposed to, say, punting him away or picking him up to throw him), the punishment was lessened. Since Junko's in control, there's no way that situation would ever happen again, and indeed, Monokuma never tries to start a fight like this again (Sakura's fight against him was almost definitely started by her).

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