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** Large military submarines carry torpedoes to attack ships and other submarines. They don't really have any weapon that can target divers. Real-life divers aren't a threat to subs because subs move too fast and dive too deep...but this doesn't apply to the Talokanil. They could easily destroy any ship or submarine that came anywhere near their cities. Wakanda, the most technologically advanced country on land, didn't have any way to fight the Talokanil underwater, so it's unlikely any other country could either.
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** Ramonda in recent years has grieved the loss of her husband, her son, and her daughter has just been abducted. Is it really a headscratcher why she's lashing out irrationally?
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** Nakia killed that one with a sonic gun, which the Talokans are shown to be very vulnerable to in the final battle.
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** Nakia killed that one with a sonic gun, which the Talokans are shown to be very vulnerable to in the final battle.
battle. This makes sense, as their mutations are derived from a similar plant to the Heart-Shaped Herb, both of which were formed by proximity to vibranium, so it should be no surprise when they share similar drawbacks.
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*** Not to mention, Killmonger was a former US covert operative who was actively working with Ulysses Klaw on his plans to infiltrate Wakanda. There's a pretty good chance he was tracking any and all developments related to Wakanda and the royal family...such as the assassination of T'Chaka (his father's killer).
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*** Not to mention, Killmonger was a former US covert operative who was actively working with Ulysses Klaw Klaue on his plans to infiltrate Wakanda. There's a pretty good chance he was tracking any and all developments related to Wakanda and the royal family...such as the assassination of T'Chaka (his father's killer).
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**** That has not stopped people from trying at any point in history to put the "genie back in the bottle" as it were. There are plenty of real life examples of something getting invented and groups of people trying to get it "un-invented". But again that leads credence to the fact they are dealing with a mind set in the 1600-1700's. Yes, this thing has been invented, but if we kill the person who invented it that solves the problem. That solution would be very effective if it takes months, years, or decades for information to spread. Kill the one person and even if some one hears about the new invention months or years later if they try to keep it going now they have to start from scratch because the original inventor is dead and all records destroyed.
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** Ramonda and her family are kings and queens, not elected officials. The station traditionally confers a position of mysticism and divine authority, probably doubly so with Wakanda's factually-grounded spirituality. Both Ramonda and Shuri treat their concerns and grief as being the concerns and grief of Wakanda itself. In that light, it'd be easy for Ramonda to assert that Killmonger was a false king, whatever his legitimate claims to the throne, by dint of the fact that she wears the crown and he's underground. Is it rational? No, but neither is the concept of monarchy.
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** It's probably a bit of both. Talokan's armies employ a lot of guerilla warfare, which suggests they don't have the numbers to engage another army in direct combat. On the other hand, Namor's seat of power is identified as the capital city, meaning he has a proper empire that spans an undisclosed territory. Mobilizing an army across an empire can take time, perhaps more time than Namor had in the limited span of the film.
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** Humanity has been using submarines for over a century. Underwater warfare is not some brave new frontier for us in the real world, nevermind the crazy world of power armor, alien technology, robot drones, living gods, and gamma mutants that is the MCU. Like Wakanda in the previous film, Namor understands that the rest of the world has advanced to the point where they can't just rest on their laurels and assume their advantages and isolation will keep them safe.
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** Talokan has already been exposed when the United States found the underwater vibranium. Namor surmises (and nothing in the movie suggests he's wrong) the US will keep coming back for the vibranium, considering how invaluable it is. And they definitely have enough submarines to pose a threat to Talokan. So Namor probably thinks that his only option now is a show of strength to make anyone think twice before they try to rob his nation of its riches.
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* As Riri, Shuri and Okoye are fleeing from the FBI, Namor's people show up and attack everybody. Why? Namor ''specifically asked'' the Wakandas to find Riri, and here they are with Riri! For all he knows, the Wakandans are doing exactly what he told them to do and they're planning to report in (via that shell he gave them earlier) just as soon as they escape the FBI. So why do Namor's people ''lead off'' with a deadly water grenade against people who appear to be ''cooperating'' with Namor's request?
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* As Riri, Shuri and Okoye are fleeing from the FBI, Namor's people show up and attack everybody. Why? Namor ''specifically asked'' the Wakandas Wakandans to find Riri, and here they are with Riri! For all he knows, the Wakandans are doing exactly what he told them to do and they're planning to report in (via that shell he gave them earlier) just as soon as they escape the FBI. So why do Namor's people ''lead off'' with a deadly water grenade against people who appear to be ''cooperating'' with Namor's request?
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* Given Talokan's ridiculous power and placement, even the Avengers and Thanos' forces will just anti-climatically drown underwater if they try to invade. The biggest hypothetical threat to his kingdom would be the wizards (who pretty much fold anyone if the plot allows it), a fleet of submarines or someone recreating Homer Simpson's fishing with a bug zapper method. Given how isolated Talokan is from the rest of the world, outside of seeing his people or even himself get Snapped, I seriously doubt that Namor is aware enough of the world's events to realize that his reckless actions in the movie will just lead to Talokan's exposure. How much of his actions is for staying hidden and how much of it is his hate towards the surface? One half wants the world to drown against his walls, the other half wants to stay hidden until the end of time. It is just one huge contradicting mess.
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* Given Talokan's ridiculous power and placement, even the Avengers and Thanos' forces will just anti-climatically drown underwater if they try to invade. The biggest hypothetical threat to his kingdom would be the wizards (who pretty much fold anyone if the plot allows it), a fleet of submarines or someone recreating Homer Simpson's fishing with a bug zapper method. Given how isolated Talokan is from the rest of the world, outside of seeing his people or even himself get Snapped, I seriously doubt that Namor is aware enough of the world's events to realize that his reckless actions in the movie will just lead to Talokan's exposure. How much of his actions is for staying hidden and how much of it is his hate towards the surface? One half wants the world to drown against his walls, the other half wants to stay hidden until the end of time. It is just one huge contradicting mess.
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** T'Challa the 2nd had a hereditary claim to the Wakandan throne, but obviously was (and is) also too young to actually win the throne at Warrior Falls. When T'Challa was snapped in IW, it would be the ideal time for the mother of the heir to make herself and the child scarce, and since the nature of T'Challa's illness was intentionally vague, the character may have battling it behind the scenes for some time. The prince couldn't live in Wakanda anonymously, as any random child being raised by Nakia would be an obvious source of interest.
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** Safety, maybe? She's playing it cool so that nobody else knows he's the crown prince of Wakanda, just to be safe. Doubly so since she's asking Nakia to go on a mission, which leaves him even MORE exposed
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* Before Namor shows up, Ramonda is clearly about to tell Shuri about T'Challa's secret son with Nakia. Yet, when she actually meets up with him in Haiti, she doesn't react with any sort of familiarity when Toussaint runs up to her and leads her to his mother. Why wouldn't she acknowledge him?
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* Before Namor shows up, Ramonda is clearly about to tell Shuri about T'Challa's secret son with Nakia. Yet, when she actually meets up with him in Haiti, she doesn't react with any sort of familiarity when Toussaint runs up to her and leads her to his mother. Why wouldn't she acknowledge him?
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*** Another consideration is that Wakanda is a regular target of intrigue and battle, so T'challa decided that Haiti was far safer in the wake of Killmonger and Thanos
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*** It's still a pretty weak explanation that they'd have no plans, no prototypes, and no back-up for the detector tech. Even getting the custom parts reverse engineered is just a matter of time, not possibility.
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*** But at the same time they have technologically advanced deep-sea diving suits, so Talokan clearly has some exposure to modern tech. And even if they simply stole Shuri a diving suit from their vibranium detector raid, they have to have some concept of the scientific method and that once tech is invented it's nigh impossible to get it un-invented.
