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****Well, personally, I don't like her because without Ciel [[ShallowLoveInterest she doesn't have much personality]], but YMMV
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*** Lizzie broke a single ring, felt sorry afterwards and is hated by the fandom. [[VillainProtagonist Ciel]] ordered Sebastian to kill dozens of people, never felt sorry and the fandom still love him. Well...
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*** Lizzie broke a single ring, felt sorry afterwards and is hated by the fandom. [[VillainProtagonist Ciel]] ordered Sebastian to kill dozens of people, never felt sorry and the fandom still love him. Well...[[DoubleStandard Well]]...
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*** Lizzie broke a single ring, felt sorry afterwards and is hated by the fandom. [[VillainProtagonist Ciel]] ordered Sebastian to kill dozens of people, never felt sorry and the fandom still love him. Well...
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** My impression was that Ciel actually felt bad about it. As soon as he found out that [[spoiler:Sebastian had already completed his part of the contract, he ordered Sebastian to eat his soul immediately.]] He also seemed sad during [[spoiler:the final duel between Sebastian and Claude, when he knew that Sebastian would not be able to have his soul.]] I really don't think he wanted this.
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** Maybe [[spoiler:Ciel]] just doesn't care if [[spoiler:his staff]] gets into embarrassing situations.
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** [[spoiler: Claude was after Ciel's soul and Sebastian was already contracted to Ciel by the time Claude became contracted to Alois, so that made Sebastian something of an "obstacle" to ClaudeClaude]]
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****I suppose it's similar to having chips even if you aren't hungry; they're simply delicious.
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** Then why does Angela say [[spoiler:Sebastian must be starving]] in episode 20?
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** So [[spoiler:Ciel]] is a KarmaHoudini. [[spoiler:He never felt remorse for all the people he ordered Sebastian to kill and instead of being punished, he's going to live forever.]] That's what I dislike about the ending.
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** Well if you paid attention to the lines more you would have noticed that the lady said [[spoiler: "The man with the 'golden' eyes told me.']] Hint: Golden. I have nothing to add about the relevance of 2 I'm lost as to why that's even there.
** Well if you paid attention to the lines more you would have noticed that the lady said [[spoiler: "The man with the 'golden' eyes told me.']] Hint: Golden. I have nothing to add about the relevance of 2 I'm lost as to why that's even there.
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*** I think that bit is supposed to be forgotten, in part because of the sheer absurdity of that to anybody who knows their lapidary work. The most likely explanation for her being able to shatter it is that the ''original'' stone, at some point, was lost (perhaps quietly sold) and a paste gem put into the setting.[[hottip:*:This was actually routine at points, as a way for a noble family to hide that they were having to sell off the family jewels.]] The only thing really in its favor is that it would explain why Sebastian could repair the ring so quickly: he likely keeps a stock of paste gems, for speedy repair since, among the various problems with paste gems, they are not as durable as actual stone. The only real problem with this theory is that, well, Ciel would have known. Unless is trouble dressing himself during the Circus arc is actually ''more'' due to his hands having been damaged...
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** Odd that you bring up the coat, because that's something that really bugged me until I rewatched the third episode of KuroII. Ciel doesn't [[spoiler: have any memories at this point. When they head to London, he mentions not wanting to run into Madam Red, and Sebastian replies, rather morbidly in hindsight, that that won't be an issue.]] When they meet Grell later, Ciel [[spoiler: specifically reacts to the color of Grell's coat. "That red..." He obviously doesn't recognize Grell as Anonymous-Bespectacled-Butler, but he recognizes the color of the coat. He may not make the connection that it is, in fact, the exact same coat, but he recognizes it.]]
** After [[spoiler: Madam Red dies]] in the manga, Elizabeth and her mother come to visit Ciel, and Lizzie mentions [[spoiler: that she's happy to see Ciel enthusiastic about his competition with Elizabeth's mother. She specifically says that Ciel was very close to Madam Red, and she wasn't sure how he'd manage after her death. This being Ciel, of course the answer is "stoic".]]
** After [[spoiler: Madam Red dies]] in the manga, Elizabeth and her mother come to visit Ciel, and Lizzie mentions [[spoiler: that she's happy to see Ciel enthusiastic about his competition with Elizabeth's mother. She specifically says that Ciel was very close to Madam Red, and she wasn't sure how he'd manage after her death. This being Ciel, of course the answer is "stoic".]]
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*** "Not that unusual"? ''We do not have freaking BEARS in Britain!''
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* So at the end of the first season, [[spoiler:London burns down, or at least gets heavy physical damage. Not to mention many, many people die]]. So in the second season, how is everything back to normal so fast? It's only been a few months since the end of season 1!Not 1! Not too mention nobody, not even most of the main cast, seems to act like it never existed. Let alone the extras.
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** In the manga Ciel flashes back to Madame Red taking care of him when he's ill during the Circus Arc. Not so forgotten ...
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** Well, considering that in her first appearance, she acts as a general nuisance, and shatters Ceil's family ring on the floor, your probably in the minority there.
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** This troper is relived that she is not the only one. Of course, the best reason for her existence is to provide Ciel with a love-interest so he can't canonly be paired with anyone else. But hey, try tell that to that [[YaoiFangirl fangirls]]. Maybe that's why she gets so much hate in the first place
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** This troper is relived that she is not the only one. one! Of course, the best reason for her existence is to provide Ciel with a love-interest so he can't canonly be paired with anyone else. But hey, try tell telling that to that [[YaoiFangirl fangirls]]. Maybe that's why she gets so much hate in the first placeplace. But I see nothing wrong wrong with her character.
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* So at the end of the first season, [[spoiler:London burns down, or at least gets heavy physical damage. Not to mention many, many people die]]. So in the second season, how is everything back to normal so fast? Not too mention nobody, not even most of the main cast, seems to act like it never existed. Let alone the extras.
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** This troper is relived that she is not the only one. Of course, the best reason for her existence is to provide Ciel with a love-interest so he can't canonly be paired with anyone else. But hey, try tell that to that [[YaoiFangirls [[YaoiFangirl fangirls]]. Maybe that's why she gets so much hate in the first place
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* Am I the only fan who doesn't outright hate [[TheScrappy Elizabeth]]? Am I the only person who remembers [[NotSoDifferent what THEY were like when they were 12/13?]] Am I the only one who remembers that unlike Ciel, Elizabeth actually is a normal person? Hell, even her admitted lack of character depth has logical basis: since when do we even see Ciel go to her house? Does [[TheHero Ci]][[{{Antihero}} el]] even know what she does all day when she's not hanging all over him?
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* Am I the only fan who doesn't outright hate [[TheScrappy Elizabeth]]? Am I the only person who remembers [[NotSoDifferent what THEY were like when they were 12/13?]] Am I the only one who remembers that unlike Ciel, Elizabeth actually is a normal person? Hell, even her admitted lack of character depth has logical basis: since when do we even see Ciel go to her house? Does [[TheHero Ci]][[{{Antihero}} el]] even know what she does all day when she's not hanging all over him?him?
** This troper is relived that she is not the only one. Of course, the best reason for her existence is to provide Ciel with a love-interest so he can't canonly be paired with anyone else. But hey, try tell that to that [[YaoiFangirls fangirls]]. Maybe that's why she gets so much hate in the first place
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** They were brought almost solely for the purpose of being guards. But when they're not doing that job, they need something to do, so he assigned them tasks. They just happen to be bad at them. (Except when Agni is instructing them) As for Maylene, she strikes me as the type that is TOO relaxed when not under pressure, (or rather, when not working in her field of choice, killing) and that makes her seem clumsy.
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* Am I the only fan who doesn't outright hate [[TheScrappy Elizabeth]]? Am I the only person who remembers [[NotSoDifferent what THEY were like when they were 12/13?]] Am I the only one who remembers that unlike Ciel, Elizabeth actually is a normal person? Hell, even her admitted lack of character depth has logical basis: since do we even see Ciel go to her house? Does Ciel even know what she does all day when she's not hanging all over him?
* Am I the only fan who doesn't outright hate [[TheScrappy Elizabeth]]? Am I the only person who remembers [[NotSoDifferent what THEY were like when they were 12/13?]] Am I the only one who remembers that unlike Ciel, Elizabeth actually is a normal person? Hell, even her admitted lack of character depth has logical basis: since do we even see Ciel go to her house? Does Ciel even know what she does all day when she's not hanging all over him?
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** Logical, although then why would Sebby be after Ciel's soul in the first place?
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* In the Manga in chapter 2; Sebastian's bow hold is incredibly unstable! there is no way he'd be able to play with that incorrect bow hold and sound good. I'm a violinist so the whole position of the instrument looks off to me, I've tried playing positioned like that and it's just painful.
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** I haven't read the manga, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but [[spoiler: i don't think Sebastian ''has'' to eat souls to survive. I never saw him do it during the show.]]
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** I haven't read the manga, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but [[spoiler: i don't think Sebastian ''has'' to eat souls to survive. I never saw him do it during the show.]]]]
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* At the end of season 2 of the anime, [[spoiler:Ciel becomes a demon and Sebastian is bound to serve him forever, and to never eat his soul]]. Does this mean that Sebastian will never be able to [[spoiler:eat anyone's soul ever again, meaning he will starve and eventually die?]] Maybe I'm just missing something.
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** I haven't read the manga, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but [[spoiler: i don't think Sebastian ''has'' to eat souls to survive. I never saw him do it during the show.]]
** I haven't read the manga, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but [[spoiler: i don't think Sebastian ''has'' to eat souls to survive. I never saw him do it during the show.]]
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** I wouldn't put it past Sebastian to do it just so Ciel would get hurt. He's almost had him injected with snake venom in the manga and has expressed a desire to have others teach him a lesson more than once. Sebastian might be affably evil, but he's still evil.
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** I wouldn't put it past Sebastian to do it just so Ciel would get hurt. He's almost had him injected with snake venom in the manga and has expressed a desire to have others teach him a lesson more than once. Sebastian might be affably evil, but he's still evil.evil.
* At the end of season 2 of the anime, [[spoiler:Ciel becomes a demon and Sebastian is bound to serve him forever, and to never eat his soul]]. Does this mean that Sebastian will never be able to [[spoiler:eat anyone's soul ever again, meaning he will starve and eventually die?]] Maybe I'm just missing something.
* At the end of season 2 of the anime, [[spoiler:Ciel becomes a demon and Sebastian is bound to serve him forever, and to never eat his soul]]. Does this mean that Sebastian will never be able to [[spoiler:eat anyone's soul ever again, meaning he will starve and eventually die?]] Maybe I'm just missing something.
