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*** In other words, if it isn't spelled out for you, it doesn't count as [[Foreshadowing]]. Because after all, [[ViewersAreIdiots everyone is an idiot and all plot twists must be hammered into a reader's brain with the force of an eighty-ton sledgehammer]]. Look, man, there've been [[WildMassGuessing WMG theories]] for ''ages'' about the Mata Nui robot, and the official BZP topic I saw had plenty of evidence in its favor. If you didn't get the memo, that's fine, but it doesn't mean that the memo never existed in the first place.
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** He's an honorary Toa Nuva, so he gets to add the Nuva to his name.
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** 'Cause originally, Voya Nui was part of the Southern Continent, right above Karda Nui. When the Great Cataclysm happened, Voya Nui got ripped out and thrown up onto the surface of Aqua Magna. And it wasn't actually the radiation from Karda Nui, it was radiation from the Mata Nui robot interacting with the Aqua Magna water. Some of that irradiated water fell through the hole Voya Nui had made and into the Pit and Karda Nui. Hope that helps! https://biosector01.com/wiki/Pit_Mutagen This article has more on it.
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* Why are the waters around Voya Nui mutagenic? I've read that it has something to do with Karda Nui radiation, but Karda Nui is very far from Voya Nui and its air seems okay.
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* Why didn't they make any movies for the 2006-8 story arcs? Why didn't the producers think it was kinda important to show ''how'' Mata Nui got his life saved and subsequently woken up?
** The first three movies didn't really make a huge amount of money, so it's likely that the producers were reluctant to try again. By the time of The Legend Reborn, they were willing to give it another go with another studio. Plus TLR is sort of a mild reboot, so they probably figured they could draw in new fans without having to explain the backstory.
** The first three movies didn't really make a huge amount of money, so it's likely that the producers were reluctant to try again. By the time of The Legend Reborn, they were willing to give it another go with another studio. Plus TLR is sort of a mild reboot, so they probably figured they could draw in new fans without having to explain the backstory.
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** The various islands and landmasses exist in individual biodomes separated by various vein-like tunnels filled with liquid protodermis, it's not a consistent landmass inside of Mata Nui. The domes most likely have some kind of gyroscopic factor that keeps them upright during Mata Nui's movement.
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** From what I learned at BioSector01, earth is Bionicle is soil and dirt while stone in Bionicle is rocks and minerals.
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** From what I learned at BioSector01, earth is in Bionicle is soil and dirt dirt, while stone in Bionicle is rocks and minerals.
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** From what I learned at BioSector01, earth is Bionicle is soil and dirt while stone in Bionicle is rocks and minerals.
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* Something that I have been thinking about: why does the Toa's code against killing only apply to sapient creatures? They seem to have no qualms about killing animals, which in some cases is justified (like when the Toa Hordika and later the Mahri killed countless evil Visorak spiders), but what about that new Toa (whose name escapes me) casually frying a lizard and burning down trees? Back in the '01 story, harming wildlife was treated as a serious issue. Of course, those were other, more naive Toa back then, but still.
** The general opinion in the fandom is that that scene was just badly handled. Greg needed a quick way for Chiara to subvert the gender stereotypes that Orde was talking about, so he made her sizzle the lizard. Which, of course, the fans interpreted as a blatant KickTheDog moment, since it's eerily similar to some of the things the Piraka were doing back in '06. She could have just as easily given Orde a harmless 20 volts, and it would probably have a more positive influence on her characterization, since Greg has said she's not a PsychoElectro . Interestingly, Greg hasn't updated TYQ in almost half a year... I expect the backlash may have had something to do with it.
*** A related reason The Yesterday Quest has taken so long to update may have to do with another backlash. The characters for this serial were determined by the fans through a poll. They were given 8 options for what powers the characters would have (and as many fans know the powers carry certain character defining characteristics, such as gender, [[ColorCodedElements coloration]], and cookie cutter personalities (YMMV on the last one)) and were told to pick their favorite 6. Not only were fans enamored with the chance to finally subvert [[TheSmurfettePrinciple The Smurfette Principle]] by choosing both of the female options given, but also the fact that the female options were Lightning AND Psionics made them favorites among Iron, Magnetism, Plasma, etc. so clearly fans were voting for them more than most of the others. However, for whatever reason (The common theory being that [[UnfortunateImplications Greg prefers writing for males than females]]) Greg decided to change one of the females into a male to fit the standard 5 males and 1 female team that many fans had been decrying as formulaic. This in turn completely tossed out the rule made years before that "People of Element X are ONLY Gender Y" where he had constantly been telling people that there were NO EXCEPTIONS (except for the Av-Matoran which got enough backlash for subverting the rule to begin with). Needless to say, the fans weren't amused, especially since he didn't announce it before the serial was released resulting in it feeling underhanded. He quickly responded to the issue with the second chapter which had a conversation between two characters on why Orde was male (In a series where gender is strictly cosmetic and a device to allow us to connect to the characters (don't ask why there are genders to begin with, you won't get anywhere)) which resulted in an explanation that he was the first Toa of Psionics and [[UnfortunateImplications his destructive male tendencies]] caused the Great Beings to make the Matoran and Toa of Psionics female [[UnfortunateImplications as they would be gentle]]. After offending both side of the gender fence with stereotypical gender roles in a series that usually avoids genderization and [[NoHuggingNoKissing romance]] [[WordOfGod like the plague]], it's understandable that he's taking a bit of a break. Fans would probably be happier if he did a few Ret Cons while he's at it (or at least agreed to never touch upon the issue ever again).
*** It's also important to note that while Greg did seem to try to subvert the Gender Stereotype by having Chiara fry the lizard, it leads to all of the problems that occur because of [[PositiveDiscrimination authors trying to avoid seeming stereotypical]] (the same principle that works behind the "It's okay, I have friends that are X."), which wouldn't be a problem if this series didn't use females as [[TokenMinority a way to round out the group]]. Instead, you not have a character (or arguably, Greg) trying to prove that she's the polar opposite of the stereotype... which does nothing to resolve the fact that she's still the Smurfette of the group and her actions still reflect on her gender more than her male counterparts. Then there's the fact that Greg has handwaved the issue by stating that the Great Beings are the ones who are sexist, which only raises the question of why sexism needs to be addressed in such a non-black and white way when the series doesn't allow romance and other "complex adult themes" because "this is a series directed at 9 year olds".
*** I see Greg as being quite aware of Bionicle's glaring gender issues, but he sees himself as being unable to do much about it. It wasn't his decision to have genders assigned to the elements, and he has stated that it probably would have been better if they hadn't. The backstory about the Great Beings making the genders the way they did seems to be Greg's way of [[RealitySubtext acknowledging]] that the story team didn't think things through, and that their decisions were informed by outdated gender stereotypes. As for Orde... I don't think I will ever understand why Greg did it. He has been known to forget certain story details, so I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt. But if that is the case, I honestly wish he'd just admitted it and gone back and edited the chapter. Another problem Greg seems to have with female characters is that he avoids stereotypes, but he uses the averted stereotypes as a substitute for complex characterisation, meaning that a female character's gender is [[MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial still one of the most important things about her]].
*** Actually, the reason for Greg's lack of updating is to do with him busy with a child.
** The general opinion in the fandom is that that scene was just badly handled. Greg needed a quick way for Chiara to subvert the gender stereotypes that Orde was talking about, so he made her sizzle the lizard. Which, of course, the fans interpreted as a blatant KickTheDog moment, since it's eerily similar to some of the things the Piraka were doing back in '06. She could have just as easily given Orde a harmless 20 volts, and it would probably have a more positive influence on her characterization, since Greg has said she's not a PsychoElectro . Interestingly, Greg hasn't updated TYQ in almost half a year... I expect the backlash may have had something to do with it.
*** A related reason The Yesterday Quest has taken so long to update may have to do with another backlash. The characters for this serial were determined by the fans through a poll. They were given 8 options for what powers the characters would have (and as many fans know the powers carry certain character defining characteristics, such as gender, [[ColorCodedElements coloration]], and cookie cutter personalities (YMMV on the last one)) and were told to pick their favorite 6. Not only were fans enamored with the chance to finally subvert [[TheSmurfettePrinciple The Smurfette Principle]] by choosing both of the female options given, but also the fact that the female options were Lightning AND Psionics made them favorites among Iron, Magnetism, Plasma, etc. so clearly fans were voting for them more than most of the others. However, for whatever reason (The common theory being that [[UnfortunateImplications Greg prefers writing for males than females]]) Greg decided to change one of the females into a male to fit the standard 5 males and 1 female team that many fans had been decrying as formulaic. This in turn completely tossed out the rule made years before that "People of Element X are ONLY Gender Y" where he had constantly been telling people that there were NO EXCEPTIONS (except for the Av-Matoran which got enough backlash for subverting the rule to begin with). Needless to say, the fans weren't amused, especially since he didn't announce it before the serial was released resulting in it feeling underhanded. He quickly responded to the issue with the second chapter which had a conversation between two characters on why Orde was male (In a series where gender is strictly cosmetic and a device to allow us to connect to the characters (don't ask why there are genders to begin with, you won't get anywhere)) which resulted in an explanation that he was the first Toa of Psionics and [[UnfortunateImplications his destructive male tendencies]] caused the Great Beings to make the Matoran and Toa of Psionics female [[UnfortunateImplications as they would be gentle]]. After offending both side of the gender fence with stereotypical gender roles in a series that usually avoids genderization and [[NoHuggingNoKissing romance]] [[WordOfGod like the plague]], it's understandable that he's taking a bit of a break. Fans would probably be happier if he did a few Ret Cons while he's at it (or at least agreed to never touch upon the issue ever again).
*** It's also important to note that while Greg did seem to try to subvert the Gender Stereotype by having Chiara fry the lizard, it leads to all of the problems that occur because of [[PositiveDiscrimination authors trying to avoid seeming stereotypical]] (the same principle that works behind the "It's okay, I have friends that are X."), which wouldn't be a problem if this series didn't use females as [[TokenMinority a way to round out the group]]. Instead, you not have a character (or arguably, Greg) trying to prove that she's the polar opposite of the stereotype... which does nothing to resolve the fact that she's still the Smurfette of the group and her actions still reflect on her gender more than her male counterparts. Then there's the fact that Greg has handwaved the issue by stating that the Great Beings are the ones who are sexist, which only raises the question of why sexism needs to be addressed in such a non-black and white way when the series doesn't allow romance and other "complex adult themes" because "this is a series directed at 9 year olds".
*** I see Greg as being quite aware of Bionicle's glaring gender issues, but he sees himself as being unable to do much about it. It wasn't his decision to have genders assigned to the elements, and he has stated that it probably would have been better if they hadn't. The backstory about the Great Beings making the genders the way they did seems to be Greg's way of [[RealitySubtext acknowledging]] that the story team didn't think things through, and that their decisions were informed by outdated gender stereotypes. As for Orde... I don't think I will ever understand why Greg did it. He has been known to forget certain story details, so I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt. But if that is the case, I honestly wish he'd just admitted it and gone back and edited the chapter. Another problem Greg seems to have with female characters is that he avoids stereotypes, but he uses the averted stereotypes as a substitute for complex characterisation, meaning that a female character's gender is [[MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial still one of the most important things about her]].
*** Actually, the reason for Greg's lack of updating is to do with him busy with a child.
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* Something that I have been thinking about: why Why does the Toa's code against killing only apply to sapient creatures? They seem to have no qualms about killing animals, which in some cases is justified (like when the Toa Hordika and later the Mahri killed countless evil Visorak spiders), but what about that new Toa (whose name escapes me) casually frying a lizard and burning down trees? Back in the '01 story, harming wildlife was treated as a serious issue. Of course, those were other, more naive Toa back then, but still.
** The general opinion in the fandom is that that scene was just badly handled. Greg needed a quick way for Chiara to subvert the gender stereotypes that Orde was talking about, so he made her sizzle the lizard. Which, of course, the fans interpreted as a blatant KickTheDog moment, since it's eerily similar to some of the things the Piraka were doing back in '06. She could have just as easily given Orde a harmless 20 volts, and it would probably have a more positive influence on her characterization, since Greg has said she's not a PsychoElectro . Interestingly, Greg hasn't updated TYQ in almost half a year... I expect the backlash may have had something to do with it.
*** A related reason The Yesterday Quest has taken so long to update may have to do with another backlash. The characters for this serial were determined by the fans through a poll. They were given 8 options for what powers the characters would have (and as many fans know the powers carry certain character defining characteristics, such as gender, [[ColorCodedElements coloration]], and cookie cutter personalities (YMMV on the last one)) and were told to pick their favorite 6. Not only were fans enamored with the chance to finally subvert [[TheSmurfettePrinciple The Smurfette Principle]] by choosing both of the female options given, but also the fact that the female options were Lightning AND Psionics made them favorites among Iron, Magnetism, Plasma, etc. so clearly fans were voting for them more than most of the others. However, for whatever reason (The common theory being that [[UnfortunateImplications Greg prefers writing for males than females]]) Greg decided to change one of the females into a male to fit the standard 5 males and 1 female team that many fans had been decrying as formulaic. This in turn completely tossed out the rule made years before that "People of Element X are ONLY Gender Y" where he had constantly been telling people that there were NO EXCEPTIONS (except for the Av-Matoran which got enough backlash for subverting the rule to begin with). Needless to say, the fans weren't amused, especially since he didn't announce it before the serial was released resulting in it feeling underhanded. He quickly responded to the issue with the second chapter which had a conversation between two characters on why Orde was male (In a series where gender is strictly cosmetic and a device to allow us to connect to the characters (don't ask why there are genders to begin with, you won't get anywhere)) which resulted in an explanation that he was the first Toa of Psionics and [[UnfortunateImplications his destructive male tendencies]] caused the Great Beings to make the Matoran and Toa of Psionics female [[UnfortunateImplications as they would be gentle]]. After offending both side of the gender fence with stereotypical gender roles in a series that usually avoids genderization and [[NoHuggingNoKissing romance]] [[WordOfGod like the plague]], it's understandable that he's taking a bit of a break. Fans would probably be happier if he did a few Ret Cons while he's at it (or at least agreed to never touch upon the issue ever again).
*** It's also important to note that while Greg did seem to try to subvert the Gender Stereotype by having Chiara fry the lizard, it leads to all of the problems that occur because of [[PositiveDiscrimination authors trying to avoid seeming stereotypical]] (the same principle that works behind the "It's okay, I have friends that are X."), which wouldn't be a problem if this series didn't use females as [[TokenMinority a way to round out the group]]. Instead, you not have a character (or arguably, Greg) trying to prove that she's the polar opposite of the stereotype... which does nothing to resolve the fact that she's still the Smurfette of the group and her actions still reflect on her gender more than her male counterparts. Then there's the fact that Greg has handwaved the issue by stating that the Great Beings are the ones who are sexist, which only raises the question of why sexism needs to be addressed in such a non-black and white way when the series doesn't allow romance and other "complex adult themes" because "this is a series directed at 9 year olds".
*** I see Greg as being quite aware of Bionicle's glaring gender issues, but he sees himself as being unable to do much about it. It wasn't his decision to have genders assigned to the elements, and he has stated that it probably would have been better if they hadn't. The backstory about the Great Beings making the genders the way they did seems to be Greg's way of [[RealitySubtext acknowledging]] that the story team didn't think things through, and that their decisions were informed by outdated gender stereotypes. As for Orde... I don't think I will ever understand why Greg did it. He has been known to forget certain story details, so I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt. But if that is the case, I honestly wish he'd just admitted it and gone back and edited the chapter. Another problem Greg seems to have with female characters is that he avoids stereotypes, but he uses the averted stereotypes as a substitute for complex characterisation, meaning that a female character's gender is [[MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial still one of the most important things about her]].
*** Actually, the reason for Greg's lack of updating is to do with him busy with a child.still.
** The general opinion in the fandom is that that scene was just badly handled. Greg needed a quick way for Chiara to subvert the gender stereotypes that Orde was talking about, so he made her sizzle the lizard. Which, of course, the fans interpreted as a blatant KickTheDog moment, since it's eerily similar to some of the things the Piraka were doing back in '06. She could have just as easily given Orde a harmless 20 volts, and it would probably have a more positive influence on her characterization, since Greg has said she's not a PsychoElectro . Interestingly, Greg hasn't updated TYQ in almost half a year... I expect the backlash may have had something to do with it.
*** A related reason The Yesterday Quest has taken so long to update may have to do with another backlash. The characters for this serial were determined by the fans through a poll. They were given 8 options for what powers the characters would have (and as many fans know the powers carry certain character defining characteristics, such as gender, [[ColorCodedElements coloration]], and cookie cutter personalities (YMMV on the last one)) and were told to pick their favorite 6. Not only were fans enamored with the chance to finally subvert [[TheSmurfettePrinciple The Smurfette Principle]] by choosing both of the female options given, but also the fact that the female options were Lightning AND Psionics made them favorites among Iron, Magnetism, Plasma, etc. so clearly fans were voting for them more than most of the others. However, for whatever reason (The common theory being that [[UnfortunateImplications Greg prefers writing for males than females]]) Greg decided to change one of the females into a male to fit the standard 5 males and 1 female team that many fans had been decrying as formulaic. This in turn completely tossed out the rule made years before that "People of Element X are ONLY Gender Y" where he had constantly been telling people that there were NO EXCEPTIONS (except for the Av-Matoran which got enough backlash for subverting the rule to begin with). Needless to say, the fans weren't amused, especially since he didn't announce it before the serial was released resulting in it feeling underhanded. He quickly responded to the issue with the second chapter which had a conversation between two characters on why Orde was male (In a series where gender is strictly cosmetic and a device to allow us to connect to the characters (don't ask why there are genders to begin with, you won't get anywhere)) which resulted in an explanation that he was the first Toa of Psionics and [[UnfortunateImplications his destructive male tendencies]] caused the Great Beings to make the Matoran and Toa of Psionics female [[UnfortunateImplications as they would be gentle]]. After offending both side of the gender fence with stereotypical gender roles in a series that usually avoids genderization and [[NoHuggingNoKissing romance]] [[WordOfGod like the plague]], it's understandable that he's taking a bit of a break. Fans would probably be happier if he did a few Ret Cons while he's at it (or at least agreed to never touch upon the issue ever again).
*** It's also important to note that while Greg did seem to try to subvert the Gender Stereotype by having Chiara fry the lizard, it leads to all of the problems that occur because of [[PositiveDiscrimination authors trying to avoid seeming stereotypical]] (the same principle that works behind the "It's okay, I have friends that are X."), which wouldn't be a problem if this series didn't use females as [[TokenMinority a way to round out the group]]. Instead, you not have a character (or arguably, Greg) trying to prove that she's the polar opposite of the stereotype... which does nothing to resolve the fact that she's still the Smurfette of the group and her actions still reflect on her gender more than her male counterparts. Then there's the fact that Greg has handwaved the issue by stating that the Great Beings are the ones who are sexist, which only raises the question of why sexism needs to be addressed in such a non-black and white way when the series doesn't allow romance and other "complex adult themes" because "this is a series directed at 9 year olds".
*** I see Greg as being quite aware of Bionicle's glaring gender issues, but he sees himself as being unable to do much about it. It wasn't his decision to have genders assigned to the elements, and he has stated that it probably would have been better if they hadn't. The backstory about the Great Beings making the genders the way they did seems to be Greg's way of [[RealitySubtext acknowledging]] that the story team didn't think things through, and that their decisions were informed by outdated gender stereotypes. As for Orde... I don't think I will ever understand why Greg did it. He has been known to forget certain story details, so I suppose we can give him the benefit of the doubt. But if that is the case, I honestly wish he'd just admitted it and gone back and edited the chapter. Another problem Greg seems to have with female characters is that he avoids stereotypes, but he uses the averted stereotypes as a substitute for complex characterisation, meaning that a female character's gender is [[MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial still one of the most important things about her]].
*** Actually, the reason for Greg's lack of updating is to do with him busy with a child.
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* The revelation in Bionicle Legends ten that [[spoiler:The Bohrok were once Av Matoran]] brings up a lot of unsettling FridgeLogic. for example Nuparu built the Boxor out of Bohrok so that means its made out of [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. The Toa killed the [[spoiler:Bohrok Kal]] so they were killing [[spoiler: innocent Av-Matoran!]] Poor little [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. [[spoiler:Nuparu and the Toa Nuva are murderers!!!]]
** But technically, [[spoiler:the Av-Matoran are already dead when they become Bohrok.]] The Bohrok are just suits of armor for the Krana, which are by extension part of the Bahrag's hive mind and unrelated to the original [[spoiler:Av-Matoran that their Bohrok were]]. Thus they aren't [[spoiler:murderers]], because all they did was [[spoiler:dismantle/destroy the Av-Matoran's corpses.]] Which is still pretty {{Squick}}y when you think about it. And the Kal weren't [[spoiler:Av-Matoran]] to begin with. They were original creations last I heard (it may have changed since then, things apparently got really convoluted after I left the fandom at the end of '08).
*** So my theory that [[spoiler:the Bohrok are undead]] is true.
** But technically, [[spoiler:the Av-Matoran are already dead when they become Bohrok.]] The Bohrok are just suits of armor for the Krana, which are by extension part of the Bahrag's hive mind and unrelated to the original [[spoiler:Av-Matoran that their Bohrok were]]. Thus they aren't [[spoiler:murderers]], because all they did was [[spoiler:dismantle/destroy the Av-Matoran's corpses.]] Which is still pretty {{Squick}}y when you think about it. And the Kal weren't [[spoiler:Av-Matoran]] to begin with. They were original creations last I heard (it may have changed since then, things apparently got really convoluted after I left the fandom at the end of '08).
*** So my theory that [[spoiler:the Bohrok are undead]] is true.
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* The revelation in Bionicle Legends ten that [[spoiler:The the Bohrok were once Av Matoran]] Matoran brings up a lot of unsettling FridgeLogic. for example Nuparu built the Boxor out of Bohrok so that means its made out of [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. Matoran. The Toa killed the [[spoiler:Bohrok Kal]] Bohrok Kal so they were killing [[spoiler: innocent Av-Matoran!]] Poor little [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. [[spoiler:Nuparu and the Toa Nuva are murderers!!!]]
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** But technically,[[spoiler:the the Av-Matoran are already dead when they become Bohrok.]] Bohrok. The Bohrok are just suits of armor for the Krana, which are by extension part of the Bahrag's hive mind and unrelated to the original [[spoiler:Av-Matoran Av-Matoran that their Bohrok were]]. were. Thus they aren't [[spoiler:murderers]], murderers, because all they did was [[spoiler:dismantle/destroy dismantle/destroy the Av-Matoran's corpses.]] corpses. Which is still pretty {{Squick}}y when you think about it. And the Kal weren't [[spoiler:Av-Matoran]] Av-Matoran to begin with. They were original creations last I heard (it may have changed since then, things apparently got really convoluted after I left the fandom at the end of '08).
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*** So my theory that[[spoiler:the the Bohrok are undead]] undead is true.
** But technically,
*** So my theory that
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*** With Matoran dying, Greg Farshtey has revealed that if Matoran Universe beings die, [[spoiler: they get transported to the Red Star, which was designed to fix the "dead" beings, only that it malfunctioned a long time ago. This only works if there are any physical parts of the body left though, so characters like Matoro and the Makuta that were vaporised in Karda Nui wouldn't have been transported]].
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*** With Matoran dying, Greg Farshtey has revealed that if Matoran Universe beings die, [[spoiler: they get transported to the Red Star, which was designed to fix the "dead" beings, only that it malfunctioned a long time ago. This only works if there are any physical parts of the body left though, so characters like Matoro and the Makuta that were vaporised in Karda Nui wouldn't have been transported]].
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* [[spoiler: How Tuma appeared in ''The Legend Reborn''. Man, after his laughable death, I was wondering whether they'd have a capable enemy waiting somewhere for an awesome exciting climax. But no, he was apparently the BigBad for the main hero to fight. The real Big Bad, of course, was the traitor [[TheManBehindTheMan Metus]] but, being a fragile Agori, he couldn't possibly have put up a fight. So there, Tuma was wasted. Wasted shamefully, while spouting the cheesiest of lines.]]
** [[spoiler: Okay, so he isn't dead... but you can't tell from the movie. Which bugs me too.]]
** [[spoiler:Seconded. Tuma was badass and smart, and the movie should've treated him as the BigBad that he is instead of just TheDragon.]]
* More ranting about the Legend Reborn. Where the heck is [[spoiler: [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Malum]]]]? He's been pretty important in the source material. It's bad enough that he doesn't make an appearance, but then the [[spoiler: bug monster]] looks like a GIANT PURPLE TUMA, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION.
** A quick glance at the [[spoiler: scarabax monster shows a rounded helmet-shaped head and paired claws; it's supposed to resemble Malum.]]
** Also, what happened to [[spoiler: Strakk?]] Was he banished? If so, how did he do out in the wild?
** [[spoiler: Okay, so he isn't dead... but you can't tell from the movie. Which bugs me too.]]
** [[spoiler:Seconded. Tuma was badass and smart, and the movie should've treated him as the BigBad that he is instead of just TheDragon.]]
* More ranting about the Legend Reborn. Where the heck is [[spoiler: [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Malum]]]]? He's been pretty important in the source material. It's bad enough that he doesn't make an appearance, but then the [[spoiler: bug monster]] looks like a GIANT PURPLE TUMA, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION.
** A quick glance at the [[spoiler: scarabax monster shows a rounded helmet-shaped head and paired claws; it's supposed to resemble Malum.]]
** Also, what happened to [[spoiler: Strakk?]] Was he banished? If so, how did he do out in the wild?
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* [[spoiler: How Tuma appeared in ''The Legend Reborn''. Man, after his laughable death, I was wondering whether they'd have a capable enemy waiting somewhere for an awesome exciting climax. But no, he was apparently the BigBad for the main hero to fight. The real Big Bad, of course, was the traitor [[TheManBehindTheMan Metus]] but, being a fragile Agori, he couldn't possibly have put up a fight. So there, Tuma was wasted. Wasted shamefully, while spouting the cheesiest of lines.]]
** [[spoiler: Okay, so he isn't dead... but you can't tell from the movie. Which bugs me too.]]
** [[spoiler:Seconded. Tuma was badass and smart, and the movie should've treated him as the BigBad that he is instead of just TheDragon.]]
* More ranting about the Legend Reborn.Where the heck is [[spoiler: [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Malum]]]]? Malum]]? He's been pretty important in the source material. It's bad enough that he doesn't make an appearance, but then the [[spoiler: bug monster]] monster looks like a GIANT PURPLE TUMA, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION.
** A quick glance at the[[spoiler: scarabax monster shows a rounded helmet-shaped head and paired claws; it's supposed to resemble Malum.]]
Malum.
** Also, what happened to[[spoiler: Strakk?]] Strakk? Was he banished? If so, how did he do out in the wild?
** [[spoiler: Okay, so he isn't dead... but you can't tell from the movie. Which bugs me too.]]
** [[spoiler:Seconded. Tuma was badass and smart, and the movie should've treated him as the BigBad that he is instead of just TheDragon.]]
* More ranting about the Legend Reborn.
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* It bugs me how [[spoiler: the BigBad Makuta Teridax was finally killed. You'd think that a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] like him would meet his end in a more honorable manner, rather than being simply banged on the head by a moon. Perhaps it's just the comic that makes it look so un-epic, since the gigantic moon (the water planet of Aqua Magna) was drawn to look like an everyday asteroid the size of his head. Seeing a whole planet bear down on him would have looked much better. Of course, that raises the question: How did he not see or sense it coming, given that he had been staring upward just seconds prior to that?]]
** This Troper saw it as more of a case of [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]. It would only be fitting that Makuta, [[spoiler:the one who wreaked havoc on the inhabitants of Aqua Magna, would end up meeting his demise at the hands of said planet.]]
** And about the size issue, Greg clarified that [[spoiler:he wasn't hit by the whole of Aqua Manga, only a fragment that broke off of it.]] Besides, [[spoiler:keep in mind that if he got flattened completely, everyone inside him would die as well.]]
** This Troper saw it as more of a case of [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]. It would only be fitting that Makuta, [[spoiler:the one who wreaked havoc on the inhabitants of Aqua Magna, would end up meeting his demise at the hands of said planet.]]
** And about the size issue, Greg clarified that [[spoiler:he wasn't hit by the whole of Aqua Manga, only a fragment that broke off of it.]] Besides, [[spoiler:keep in mind that if he got flattened completely, everyone inside him would die as well.]]
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* It bugs me how [[spoiler: the BigBad How did Makuta Teridax was finally killed. You'd think not see or sense the moon coming, given that a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] like him would meet his end in a more honorable manner, rather than being simply banged on the head by a moon. Perhaps it's he had been staring upward just the comic that makes it look so un-epic, since seconds prior to that? Also the gigantic moon (the water planet of Aqua Magna) was drawn to look like an everyday asteroid the size of his head. Seeing a whole planet bear down on him would have looked much better. Of course, that raises the question: How did he not see or sense it coming, given that he had been staring upward just seconds prior to that?]]
** This Troper saw it as more of a case of [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]. It would only be fitting that Makuta, [[spoiler:the one who wreaked havoc on the inhabitants of Aqua Magna, would end up meeting his demise at the hands of said planet.]]
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** And about the size issue, Greg clarified that[[spoiler:he he wasn't hit by the whole of Aqua Manga, only a fragment that broke off of it.]] it. Besides, [[spoiler:keep keep in mind that if he got flattened completely, everyone inside him would die as well.]]
** This Troper saw it as more of a case of [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]. It would only be fitting that Makuta, [[spoiler:the one who wreaked havoc on the inhabitants of Aqua Magna, would end up meeting his demise at the hands of said planet.]]
** And about the size issue, Greg clarified that
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*** It's still ridiculously lame, though.
*** Not to mention everyone ''should've'' died, considering that killing [[spoiler: the Great Spirit robot should've cut off its artificial gravity, and seeing as the islands were right side up when he was on his back, but he didn't ''land'' on his back... Now that I think of it, how the hell was it built standing up, anyways? Artificial gravity ''definitely'' shouldn't have worked back then.]]
** If you really wanted to see [[spoiler: the Makuta]] get hit by a whole planet rather than the asteroid, there is such official artwork ion Bionicle.com's Mata Nui Saga
* Am I the only one who thinks they kind of shot themselves in the foot with Takanuva? "Here's a character who is advertised as the seventh Toa! He has armour that looks exactly like the armour worn by the Toa Nuva! His name has the word nuva in it, also just like the Toa Nuva! But don't for one second think that he actually ''is'' a Toa Nuva!" I mean I know the movie was the what titled him the seventh Toa, and I know the whole thing about new Toa choosing their armour based on their own personal images of Toa, but why put nuva in his name? If they'd left it out, it could have saved some confusion.
*** Not to mention everyone ''should've'' died, considering that killing [[spoiler: the Great Spirit robot should've cut off its artificial gravity, and seeing as the islands were right side up when he was on his back, but he didn't ''land'' on his back... Now that I think of it, how the hell was it built standing up, anyways? Artificial gravity ''definitely'' shouldn't have worked back then.]]
** If you really wanted to see [[spoiler: the Makuta]] get hit by a whole planet rather than the asteroid, there is such official artwork ion Bionicle.com's Mata Nui Saga
* Am I the only one who thinks they kind of shot themselves in the foot with Takanuva? "Here's a character who is advertised as the seventh Toa! He has armour that looks exactly like the armour worn by the Toa Nuva! His name has the word nuva in it, also just like the Toa Nuva! But don't for one second think that he actually ''is'' a Toa Nuva!" I mean I know the movie was the what titled him the seventh Toa, and I know the whole thing about new Toa choosing their armour based on their own personal images of Toa, but why put nuva in his name? If they'd left it out, it could have saved some confusion.
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* What happens to all of the water when [[spoiler: Mata Nui/Makuta stands up?]]
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* What happens to all of the water when [[spoiler: Mata Nui/Makuta stands up?]]up?
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** Direct quote from the novelization is "This united all the powers of the other six--only it was even stronger!", so presumably it merely increases each mask's individual power. It also didn't require one to switch their mask to use its respective power, so that might give a split-second advantage.
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** Direct quote from the novelization is "This united all the powers of the other six--only it was even stronger!", so presumably it merely increases each mask's individual power. It also didn't require one to switch their mask to use its respective power, so that might would give a split-second advantage.
** Right. In the middle of a fight, a split second is an awfully long time.
** Right. In the middle of a fight, a split second is an awfully long time.
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* It's been bugging me for years: The island of Maith the Barraki other than just kill them outright, and Helryx may well have figured that they could be useful in the ta Nui is above Metru Nui, because Metru Nui is the Mata Nui robot's brain, and the Mata Nui island is his face. But how did the Toa Metru get there just by floating across the sea? How does that work? Building airships to fly makes some sense, but floating on water in a Vahki transport? How would that take them to an island above them?
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* It's been bugging me for years: The island of Maith the Barraki other than just kill them outright, and Helryx may well have figured that they could be useful in the ta Mata Nui is above Metru Nui, because Metru Nui is the Mata Nui robot's brain, and the Mata Nui island is his face. But how did the Toa Metru get there just by floating across the sea? How does that work? Building airships to fly makes some sense, but floating on water in a Vahki transport? How would that take them to an island above them?
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** First, Botar works for the Order, whose primary rule is to stay secret. Random criminals and fallen Order members are one thing, but if a member of the Brotherhood (especially its leader) disappears, people will start wondering and investigating. Secondly, there is nothing else to do wfuture (or she prefers a FateWorseThanDeath to killing outright). Botar, it seems, is only called in for the really bad guys for whom there's no other option. Secondly, it doesn't seem that there's any PowerLimiter in the Pit. Teridax or another Makuta could always just teleport straight back home, or swim up and out.
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** First, Botar works for the Order, whose primary rule is to stay secret. Random criminals and fallen Order members are one thing, but if a member of the Brotherhood (especially its leader) disappears, people will start wondering and investigating. Secondly, there is nothing else to do wfuture in the future (or she prefers a FateWorseThanDeath to killing outright). Botar, it seems, is only called in for the really bad guys for whom there's no other option. Secondly, it doesn't seem that there's any PowerLimiter in the Pit. Teridax or another Makuta could always just teleport straight back home, or swim up and out.
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** In Makuta's Guide to the Universe, he states that he wanted to slow down and frustrate the Nuva, presumably so that he could wait until that moment when Mata Nui was actually dead and then pull his GrandTheftMe. He didn't expect the Piraka to actually be able to beat the Nuva. Also, [[EvilIsPetty Teridax is a petty jerk]].
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** I think that, internally, Mata Nui's artificial gravity is oriented towards his back.
** I'm pretty sure it's meant to be Mata Nui's Core Processor under Metru Nui. I think it appears briefly at the beginning of ''The Legend Reborn'' filled with Av-Matoran, which could suggest it's a part of Karda Nui.
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* So okay, in 2010, it was revealed that Mata Nui is actually a giant research satellite and a cleaning robot, with Matorans and other species being it's maintanence workers and life-force, living inside a ecosystem the Great Beings created.
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* So okay, in 2010, it was revealed that Mata Nui is actually a giant research satellite and a cleaning robot, with Matorans Matoran and other species being it's maintanence workers and life-force, living inside a ecosystem the Great Beings created.
** There was a whole controversy over this when Bionicle first came out, which is probably why the Polynesian-inspired elements were toned down significantly in later arcs. However, I don't see even early Bionicle as racist because these Polynesian-inspired elements are portrayed in a badass light. I'm not Maori and can't speak on their behalf, but if a major toy company came out with a series of epic robots named after my language's word for "warrior," I would be flattered. It seems the controversy died down when LEGO changed some of the more offensive names (such as "Tohunga,") while keeping the cooler ones (like "Toa").
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** The out-of-universe explanation would be that the story pre-2006 was in the hands of people other than Greg Farshtey, and these LEGO execs had different ideas about how romance would work in the Matoran Universe than Farshtey did. This is also why Vakama rather than Matau turned traitor in 2005, a decision Greg had no hand in.
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** I assumed that this was impossible because the past self became a mindless drone when sent to the future, at the mercy of their future self, and therefore would not have the mental capacity to carve such a message.
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* It's been bugging me for years: The island of Mata Nui is above Metru Nui, because Metru Nui is the Mata Nui robot's brain, and the Mata Nui island is his face. But how did the Toa Metru get there just by floating across the sea? How does that work? Building airships to fly makes some sense, but floating on water in a Vahki transport? How would that take them to an island above them?
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* It's been bugging me for years: The island of Mata Maith the Barraki other than just kill them outright, and Helryx may well have figured that they could be useful in the ta Nui is above Metru Nui, because Metru Nui is the Mata Nui robot's brain, and the Mata Nui island is his face. But how did the Toa Metru get there just by floating across the sea? How does that work? Building airships to fly makes some sense, but floating on water in a Vahki transport? How would that take them to an island above them?
** It's my understanding that there were a series of tunnels beyond the Great Barrier that led up to Mata Nui.
** It's my understanding that there were a series of tunnels beyond the Great Barrier that led up to Mata Nui.
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** First, Botar works for the Order, whose primary rule is to stay secret. Random criminals and fallen Order members are one thing, but if a member of the Brotherhood (especially its leader) disappears, people will start wondering and investigating. Secondly, there is nothing else to do with the Barraki other than just kill them outright, and Helryx may well have figured that they could be useful in the future (or she prefers a FateWorseThanDeath to killing outright). Botar, it seems, is only called in for the really bad guys for whom there's no other option. Secondly, it doesn't seem that there's any PowerLimiter in the Pit. Teridax or another Makuta could always just teleport straight back home, or swim up and out.
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** First, Botar works for the Order, whose primary rule is to stay secret. Random criminals and fallen Order members are one thing, but if a member of the Brotherhood (especially its leader) disappears, people will start wondering and investigating. Secondly, there is nothing else to do with the Barraki other than just kill them outright, and Helryx may well have figured that they could be useful in the future wfuture (or she prefers a FateWorseThanDeath to killing outright). Botar, it seems, is only called in for the really bad guys for whom there's no other option. Secondly, it doesn't seem that there's any PowerLimiter in the Pit. Teridax or another Makuta could always just teleport straight back home, or swim up and out.
* Why did Makuta plant the idea of the Mask of Life in the Piraka's minds? If his plan was to use the Mask of Life to resurrect Mata Nui and take over his body, why trip up the team of Toa sent to do precisely that?
* Why did Makuta plant the idea of the Mask of Life in the Piraka's minds? If his plan was to use the Mask of Life to resurrect Mata Nui and take over his body, why trip up the team of Toa sent to do precisely that?
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** First, Botar works for the Order, whose primary rule is to stay secret. Random criminals and fallen Order members are one thing, but if a member of the Brotherhood (especially its leader) disappears, people will start wondering and investigating. Secondly, there is nothing else to do with the Barraki other than just kill them outright, and Helryx may well have figured that they could be useful in the future (or she prefers a FateWorseThanDeath to killing outright). Botar, it seems, is only called in for the really bad guys for whom there's no other option. Secondly, it doesn't seem that there's any PowerLimiter in the Pit. Teridax or another Makuta could always just teleport straight back home, or swim up and out.
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*Botar has been seen to banish several villains such as the Barraki to the Pit in canon. What is stopping him from banishing Makuta or any other bad guy? What is the point of the Toa if he could just banish anyone he wanted?
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* It's been bugging me for years: The island of Mata Nui is above Metru Nui, because Metru Nui is the Mata Nui robot's brain, and the Mata Nui island is his face. But how did the Toa Metru get there just by floating across the sea? How does that work?
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* It's been bugging me for years: The island of Mata Nui is above Metru Nui, because Metru Nui is the Mata Nui robot's brain, and the Mata Nui island is his face. But how did the Toa Metru get there just by floating across the sea? How does that work?work? Building airships to fly makes some sense, but floating on water in a Vahki transport? How would that take them to an island above them?
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