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*** Actually that exact riddle is used in one of his Asylum interview tapes, though he uses a morbid alternate answer (a baby that gets mutilated). Probably it's his own arrogance shining through. We see, particularly in Knight, that Nigma has such a high opinion of his intelligence that he labels everyone around him imbeciles, he likely merely thought that Waller wouldn't know it because he assumed she was far dumber than she really is.
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*** Actually that exact riddle is used in one of his Asylum interview tapes, though he uses a morbid alternate answer (a baby that gets mutilated). Probably it's his own arrogance shining through. We see, particularly in Knight, that Nigma has such a high opinion of his intelligence that he labels everyone around him imbeciles, he likely merely thought that Waller wouldn't know it because he assumed she was far dumber than she really is.is.
** It could be a meta-joke on how the Riddler's writers don't always write original riddles for him to say. Of course, one could just say that Riddler did make up those riddles in the DC Universe. Alternatively, some versions of Riddler are compelled to leave clues in the form of riddles as their crimes out of OCD, a compulsion that could be satisfied by leaving preexisting riddles (though the Arkham verse Riddler is driven by his desire to prove his brilliance, so it'd make less for him.)
** It could be a meta-joke on how the Riddler's writers don't always write original riddles for him to say. Of course, one could just say that Riddler did make up those riddles in the DC Universe. Alternatively, some versions of Riddler are compelled to leave clues in the form of riddles as their crimes out of OCD, a compulsion that could be satisfied by leaving preexisting riddles (though the Arkham verse Riddler is driven by his desire to prove his brilliance, so it'd make less for him.)
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** The physiological readings would show elevated agitation in any case, given that Harley was in a scuffle with Batman. Even a Batman-designed lie detector might not be able to tell the difference between "readings from someone who's just been in a fight" and "readings from someone who's just been in a fight and is now lying".
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** Bulletproof glass isn't completely bulletproof. It is resistant to bullets, and some higher grade types can shrug of anti-material rifles, but it still has its limits. Deadshot was also using an assault rifle, and considering his skills, even if one bullet wouldn't be enough, he could have focused in his fire on a tight spot to cause it to crack, ala Golgo 13.
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*** As far as Scarecrow: Arkham is an asylum for the mentally unsound first, and a supermax prison for super-criminals second. At least on paper, the purpose of the asylum is to rehabilitate the criminally insane. It might be part of Scarecrow's rehabilitation that he keeps his costume. Maybe he has a Rorschach thing going on where he continues his costume his true skin, and his flesh face the costume, so to keep him placid or willing to undergo treatment, they give him the relatively harmless thing of getting to dress as he wants. We do see several of the criminals have a few personal items, such as Dent having a "Vote for Harvey" flier and the Calenderman usually has hundreds of calendars in it. I can't remember if he had his fear toxin when the doors to the cells first opened, but if he did, that can be explained he simply concocted a fresh batch in his cell, using everyday cleaning supplies he stole or smuggled.
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** One theory is that the USB stick ''was'' real, but Batman took it from him at the start, so Waller was sending them in for the USB, while having Frost kill Riddler, since Waller assumed she was the most likely to just shrug and do what she was asked to where someone more suspicious like Floyd might ask questions.
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*** Honestly the idea that some of the employees of Arkham are as twisted as the inmates (remember Warden Sharp)
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** Whose to say she ''didn't'' want to get the doll? There were times Harley did act quite childish (she was watching Loony Toons, the way she sat to attention for Waller, etc) perhaps she did want the doll and figured she might as well try and get it while trying to get Batman's attention.
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**** Perhaps this is why he was moved to Blackgate.
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** Having given it some more thought and watching the movie again, I withdraw my issue. It makes sense she was topless to ensure that nothing would seem out of place until the bag was open far enough for her to climb out. If she had been fully clothed, whoever opened her bag could have noticed something was off after barely opening it enough to expose her neck, at which point she'd have been fucked unless she could tear the bag open with her bare hands (or far more dangerously, her powers) from the inside, which would have been much slower and much more likely to go wrong.
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Headscratchers for BatmanAssaultOnArkham.''WesternAnimation/BatmanAssaultOnArkham''. Ask questions here regarding things that confuse you about the movie.
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** She could be researching riddles similar and then give their responses. If Riddler was to give, say, the riddle "what has two legs, then three, then four" it can be written by somebody else as "what has two legs during the day, three during the afternoon, and four at night" but the answer for either will always be 'man'. If Riddler gave her the riddle of "what has two legs, then three, then four" she could Google it and find the response to be 'man' only because there's likely to be a similar riddle with the same answer to it.
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** She could be researching riddles similar and then give their responses. If Riddler was to give, say, the riddle "what has two legs, then three, then four" it can be written by somebody else as "what has two legs during the day, three during the afternoon, and four at night" but the answer for either will always be 'man'. If Riddler gave her the riddle of "what has two legs, then three, then four" she could Google it and find the response to be 'man' only because there's likely to be a similar riddle with the same answer to it.it.
*** Actually that exact riddle is used in one of his Asylum interview tapes, though he uses a morbid alternate answer (a baby that gets mutilated). Probably it's his own arrogance shining through. We see, particularly in Knight, that Nigma has such a high opinion of his intelligence that he labels everyone around him imbeciles, he likely merely thought that Waller wouldn't know it because he assumed she was far dumber than she really is.
*** Actually that exact riddle is used in one of his Asylum interview tapes, though he uses a morbid alternate answer (a baby that gets mutilated). Probably it's his own arrogance shining through. We see, particularly in Knight, that Nigma has such a high opinion of his intelligence that he labels everyone around him imbeciles, he likely merely thought that Waller wouldn't know it because he assumed she was far dumber than she really is.
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*** Bane might have a medical need for ongoing doses of his serum, but that still doesn't explain the "remote-control turbocharge" part.
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*** If you look closely, his daughter has something on her belt that looks like a music player. It's possible that the earmuffs are headphones ''and'' hearing protection; that would avoid awkward "wear these while Daddy shoots somebody" explanations.
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** The coroner's predilections might have been mentioned in the files the team was given at the Iceberg Lounge just before the infiltration, particularly if he'd gotten himself reprimanded for it before (but still has his job because better candidates aren't exactly lining up around the block to work at Arkham).
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*** How do we know if Joker is human, or some super natural being taking the form of a clown?
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*** How do we know if Joker is human, or some human? Maybe he's a super natural being taking the form of a clown?
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** Most villains in Gotham like to accomplish their goals using complex methods. For instance, Joker would much rather have Batman killed in a Laughterhouse of Doom instead of just taking the easy way out and shoot him when he's off guard. Frost might be like most of the other villains and take this route.
** Boomerang or Deadshot may have gotten her to do it in order to stay more in character as a corpse.
** Boomerang or Deadshot may have gotten her to do it in order to stay more in character as a corpse.
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** Most villains in Gotham (or comic books overall) like to accomplish their goals using complex methods. complex, intricate methods and schemes. For instance, Joker would much rather have Batman killed in a Laughterhouse of Doom instead of just taking the easy way out out, and shoot him in the head when he's off guard. Frost might be like is likely the same as most of the other villains and would probably take this route.
** Boomerangor Deadshot may have gotten her to do it in order to stay more in character as a corpse.
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** Maybe he doesn't make up ''every'' riddle by himself, and he just figured that one was obscure enough that she wouldn't have heard it before.
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** Maybe he doesn't make up ''every'' riddle by himself, and he just figured that one was obscure enough that she wouldn't have heard it before.before.
** She could be researching riddles similar and then give their responses. If Riddler was to give, say, the riddle "what has two legs, then three, then four" it can be written by somebody else as "what has two legs during the day, three during the afternoon, and four at night" but the answer for either will always be 'man'. If Riddler gave her the riddle of "what has two legs, then three, then four" she could Google it and find the response to be 'man' only because there's likely to be a similar riddle with the same answer to it.
** She could be researching riddles similar and then give their responses. If Riddler was to give, say, the riddle "what has two legs, then three, then four" it can be written by somebody else as "what has two legs during the day, three during the afternoon, and four at night" but the answer for either will always be 'man'. If Riddler gave her the riddle of "what has two legs, then three, then four" she could Google it and find the response to be 'man' only because there's likely to be a similar riddle with the same answer to it.
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** Most villains in Gotham like to accomplish their goals using complex methods. For instance, Joker would much rather have Batman killed in a Laughterhouse of Doom instead of just taking the easy way out and shoot him when he's off guard. Frost might be like most of the other villains and take this route.
** Boomerang or Deadshot may have gotten her to do it in order to stay more in character as a corpse.
** Boomerang or Deadshot may have gotten her to do it in order to stay more in character as a corpse.
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** Oh he definitely at least ''shot'', or there would be no reason to put those earmuffs on his daughter.
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*** Of corse, since she had Deadshot under her thumb, Waller could've made sure her windows were made to handle Deadshot's specialized rounds. At that point, it's really just a wager of who has better stuff.
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* Doesn't Nigma make up his own riddles? Amanda telling him that she found the answer from google.com seems rather odd. I can't see an intelligent man like Nigma stealing riddles from the internet.
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* Doesn't Nigma make up his own riddles? Amanda telling him that she found the answer from google.com seems rather odd. I can't see an intelligent man like Nigma stealing riddles from the
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** Maybe he doesn't make up ''every'' riddle by himself, and he just figured that one was obscure enough that she wouldn't have heard it before.
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* Doesn't Nigma make up his own riddles? Amanda telling him that she found the answer from google.com seems rather odd. I can't see a smart man like Nigma stealing riddles from the internet.
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* Doesn't Nigma make up his own riddles? Amanda telling him that she found the answer from google.com seems rather odd. I can't see a smart an intelligent man like Nigma stealing riddles from the internet.
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* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole thing about using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, putting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?
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* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole thing about using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, putting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?fanservice]]?
* Doesn't Nigma make up his own riddles? Amanda telling him that she found the answer from google.com seems rather odd. I can't see a smart man like Nigma stealing riddles from the internet.
* Doesn't Nigma make up his own riddles? Amanda telling him that she found the answer from google.com seems rather odd. I can't see a smart man like Nigma stealing riddles from the internet.
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* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole thing about using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, letting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?
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* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole thing about using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, letting putting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?
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* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, letting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?
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* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole thing about using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, letting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?
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** The whole point of Waller is that she does the dirty work for the U.S government, or 'off the books' as she describes it to the Suicide Squad members. She knows she's acting like a villain in the ethical sense. Batman's main conflict with her is their respective methods. While Batman is a hero in-universe and to the audience, he is still a criminal in the sense that he is a vigilante. Waller, on the other hand, has the legal clearance to do this, no matter how morally wrong she is. It's a question of Ethics vs Legality.
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** The whole point of Waller is that she does the dirty work for the U.S government, or 'off the books' as she describes it to the Suicide Squad members. She knows she's acting like a villain in the ethical sense. Batman's main conflict with her is their respective methods. While Batman is a hero in-universe and to the audience, he is still a criminal in the sense that he is a vigilante. Waller, on the other hand, has the legal clearance to do this, no matter how morally wrong she is. It's a question of Ethics vs Legality.Legality.
* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, letting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?
* So, about Killer Frost's "entry method"... So I get the whole using her naturally nonexistent body heat to fool the people at the morgue into thinking she's a corpse, but why was she naked? I realize that corpses taken to morgues are naked, but all she did was pull down the top of her swimsuit-leotard to expose her breasts. Obviously the machine couldn't tell that she had clothes on or she wouldn't have worn any at all. If her plan was to leap out at the coroner to give him the kiss of death, how did being topless aid that plan? Why didn't she just leap out at the guy the second he opened the bag? And if we're going to argue "[[DistractedByTheSexy distraction]]" purposes, letting him off guard... how could they have possibly known that the coroner was a total sicko who got off from the sight of naked female corpses? Because that was ''not'' a normal reaction to a dead body there. [[AllMenArePerverts I don't care what the stereotype is]], normal men draw the line well before that and at the very least wouldn't be caught dead with that creepy look on their face in front of others. Was this just a [[RuleOfSexy not-particularly-well-thought-out excuse for fanservice]]?
