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* What was the point of having the past Avatars tell Aang to off Ozai if the writers are going to hand Aang a solution on a silver platter anyway? Why not have them say, "Yeah, Ozai is crazy dangerous and keeping him alive is the worst possible move you can make(on account of them not knowing about energybending), but your moral well-being is more important than the safety of the world. By the way, we're sitting on a Lion Turtle, talk to him and he'll tell you how to stop Ozai without killing him."
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* What was the point of having the past Avatars tell Aang to off Ozai if the writers are going to hand Aang a solution on a silver platter anyway? Why not have them say, "Yeah, Ozai is crazy dangerous and keeping him alive is the worst possible move you can make(on account of them not knowing about energybending), but your moral well-being is more important than the safety of the world. By the way, we're sitting on a Lion Turtle, talk to him and he'll tell you how to stop Ozai without killing him.""
** Presumably, the other Avatars he spoke to simply didn't know any more than Aang did where they were or that Energy Bending even existed. From what the Lion Turtle said, it was something like Greek Fire, ancient, but nobody knows about it anymore; maybe if he'd gone further back, to one of the first Avatars, they might've been able to clue him in. As for why they did it, RuleOfDrama. Aang ''does'' waver on the decision even after he's given energy bending, and comes very near to offing Ozai anyway while in the Avatar state before he gains control over it.
** Presumably, the other Avatars he spoke to simply didn't know any more than Aang did where they were or that Energy Bending even existed. From what the Lion Turtle said, it was something like Greek Fire, ancient, but nobody knows about it anymore; maybe if he'd gone further back, to one of the first Avatars, they might've been able to clue him in. As for why they did it, RuleOfDrama. Aang ''does'' waver on the decision even after he's given energy bending, and comes very near to offing Ozai anyway while in the Avatar state before he gains control over it.
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* What was the point of having the past Avatars tell Aang to off Ozai if the writers are going to hand Aang a solution on a silver platter anyway? Why not have them say, "Yeah, Ozai is crazy dangerous and keeping him alive is the worst possible move you can make, but your moral well-being is more important than the safety of the world. By the way, we're sitting on a Lion Turtle, talk to him and he'll tell you how to stop Ozai without killing him."
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* What was the point of having the past Avatars tell Aang to off Ozai if the writers are going to hand Aang a solution on a silver platter anyway? Why not have them say, "Yeah, Ozai is crazy dangerous and keeping him alive is the worst possible move you can make, make(on account of them not knowing about energybending), but your moral well-being is more important than the safety of the world. By the way, we're sitting on a Lion Turtle, talk to him and he'll tell you how to stop Ozai without killing him."
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** The only female character the Duke regularly hung out with previously was Smellerbee, and so he probably forms a natural attachment to driven, rugged girls like that. Out of all his new friends, Toph's presence probably grants him the most comfort because of her tough nature being so similar to that of his freedom fighting buddies.
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** The only female character the Duke regularly hung out with previously was Smellerbee, and so he probably forms a natural attachment to driven, rugged girls like that. Out of all his new friends, Toph's presence probably grants him the most comfort because of her tough nature being so similar to that of his freedom fighting buddies.buddies.
* What was the point of having the past Avatars tell Aang to off Ozai if the writers are going to hand Aang a solution on a silver platter anyway? Why not have them say, "Yeah, Ozai is crazy dangerous and keeping him alive is the worst possible move you can make, but your moral well-being is more important than the safety of the world. By the way, we're sitting on a Lion Turtle, talk to him and he'll tell you how to stop Ozai without killing him."
* What was the point of having the past Avatars tell Aang to off Ozai if the writers are going to hand Aang a solution on a silver platter anyway? Why not have them say, "Yeah, Ozai is crazy dangerous and keeping him alive is the worst possible move you can make, but your moral well-being is more important than the safety of the world. By the way, we're sitting on a Lion Turtle, talk to him and he'll tell you how to stop Ozai without killing him."
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** The G rated version of GladToBeAliveSex, in other words.
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** The G rated version of GladToBeAliveSex, in other words.words.
** The only female character the Duke regularly hung out with previously was Smellerbee, and so he probably forms a natural attachment to driven, rugged girls like that. Out of all his new friends, Toph's presence probably grants him the most comfort because of her tough nature being so similar to that of his freedom fighting buddies.
** The only female character the Duke regularly hung out with previously was Smellerbee, and so he probably forms a natural attachment to driven, rugged girls like that. Out of all his new friends, Toph's presence probably grants him the most comfort because of her tough nature being so similar to that of his freedom fighting buddies.
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* White lotus showed some extremely poor strategic judgment in the GrandFinale. They went to Ba Sing Se, despite completely uselessness of its liberation. If Aang succeed Zuko will simply recall Fire Nation's troops from there, if he fail - then there won't be Ba Sing Se anymore. And its not like any Gaang faction have overwhelming power against Ozay, Azula or airships.
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* White lotus showed some extremely poor strategic judgment in the GrandFinale. They went to Ba Sing Se, despite completely uselessness of its liberation. If Aang succeed Zuko will simply recall Fire Nation's troops from there, if he fail - then there won't be Ba Sing Se anymore. And its not like any Gaang faction have overwhelming power against Ozay, Ozai, Azula or airships.
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*** Zuko implies that Iroh is more powerful than Ozai.
** It's also a question a symbol. As Iroh states, the Avatar killing the Fire Lord, then crowning Zuko as the new Fire Lord is the only way to end the war. If Zuko kept [[spoiler:a non-depowered]] Ozai in jail, he would quickly have to handle a civil war with Ozai's supporters.
** It's also a question a symbol. As Iroh states, the Avatar killing the Fire Lord, then crowning Zuko as the new Fire Lord is the only way to end the war. If Zuko kept [[spoiler:a non-depowered]] Ozai in jail, he would quickly have to handle a civil war with Ozai's supporters.
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* Along with teaching Aang how to redirect lightning,couldn't Zuko have shown Aang the motion of creating lightning? Surely The Avatar would have the raw power to seperate the energies and he's certainly not in turmoil.
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* Along with teaching Aang how to redirect lightning,couldn't lightning, couldn't Zuko have shown Aang the motion of creating lightning? Surely The Avatar would have the raw power to seperate the energies and he's certainly not in turmoil.
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** Everytime he tried it literally ''exploded in his face''. He could never succeed at creating it while training with Iroh, so how's he going to teach it?
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*** When you remember Zuko failing to bend lightning in season two because of internal conflict, it's surprising that Azula was still able to do it after her Breakdown.
** Everytime he tried it literally ''exploded in his face''. He could never succeed at creating it while training with Iroh, so how's he going to teachit?
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*** Yes, but it came from his internal conflict. After he learnt Firebending without rage, he should have tried it. But Aang would surely have failed, for the same reason Zuko did before.
** Everytime he tried it literally ''exploded in his face''. He could never succeed at creating it while training with Iroh, so how's he going to teach
*** Yes, but it came from his internal conflict. After he learnt Firebending without rage, he should have tried it. But Aang would surely have failed, for the same reason Zuko did before.
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** Point taken. I guess I've been watching too many movies and games where [[AxCrazy ax crazy characters]], heroes and villains alike, use their insanity to [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill make extra sure their target feels their wrath and dies...]]
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** Making sure Zuko was dead ASAP would be the logical, rational decision to make in Azula's position, and at that point Azula is anything ''but'' logical and rational. She's a cackling madwoman during that fight, not the careful tactician.
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*** The very first episode of season 2 dealt with Aang having nightmares about that specific incident.
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is quite a distance away. Katara also hides for quite a while. Azula has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP. Unless Katara can always bring people who died (from energy wounds) back from the dead...???
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is quite a distance away. Katara also hides for quite a while. Azula has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP. Unless Katara can always bring people who died (from energy attack wounds) back from the dead...???
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is quite a distance away. Katara also hides for quite a while. Azula has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP.
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is quite a distance away. Katara also hides for quite a while. Azula has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP.
ASAP. Unless Katara can always bring people who died (from energy wounds) back from the dead...???
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is both quite a distance away. Katara also hides for quite a while. Azula has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP.
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is both quite a distance away. Katara also hides for quite a while. Azula has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP.
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is for quite a while. She has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP.
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is both quite a distance away. Katara also hides for quite a while. She Azula has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP.
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* If Azula is so psychotically intent on killing Zuko, why the hell doesn't she just finish him off after she chases Katara away into the building? He's right there like a sitting duck, and she even takes time to taunt him while Katara is taking cover, which is for quite a while. She has a perfect shot, being on a roof of a building, and would have had plenty of time and reason to make sure he was dead. I understand that she's lost her mind, but I would think that if someone was manically intent on killing you, they would make sure you were dead ASAP.
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*** On the topic of Chin. Kyoshi doesn't think that Chin falling to his death was Chin's own fault, she accepts responsibility for killing him, as even if she didn't technically kill him - she was the primary cause of his DisneyVillainDeath
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*** Also, IT'S OZAI. Would you want to risk him having even the TINIEST chance of getting out and wreaking havoc?
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***** As stated before, Azula is quite literally, mentally unstable. How would you feel if you had that kind of disability and your mother thought you were a monster? Azula has feelings. Just because she doesn't show them doesn't mean they aren't there. The fact that she went insane is even more proof she has feelings.
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***** As stated before, Azula is quite literally, mentally unstable. How would you feel if you had that kind of disability and your mother thought you were a monster? Because Azula has feelings. Just because she doesn't show them doesn't mean they aren't there. The fact that she went insane is even more proof she has feelings.
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***** As stated before, Azula is quite literally, mentally unstable. How would you feel if you had that kind of disability and your mother thought you were a monster? Azula has feelings. Just because she doesn't show them doesn't mean they aren't there. The fact that she went insane is even more proof she has feelings.
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**** Monarchs always want to have more than one child, in case something happens to their first kid. Sozin and Azulon probably had siblings, so I'm sure that Ozai has cousins, second cousins, etc. who could claim the throne.
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***** These are interesting points, but this troper would like to add in something. In the Beach Episode, she sat there looking vulnerable and bothered by the fact that her mother thought she was a monster. A psychopath/sociopath, as this troper understands the concept, does not care about a lot of things, including people's opinions of them. So the question this troper would like to raise is this: if Azula is truly a psychopath/sociopath, then why would she care about her mother's opinion of her (Something that evidently occurred years ago, as opposed to a few minutes or seconds ago)?
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**** Possibly because while he'd trained and been re-assured by his friends and the last-ditch invasion plan that he'd have a shot at defeating Ozai, Aang hadn't actually confronted the reality of doing so. It takes until The Southern Raiders for someone, Zuko, to give him a reality check on the subject. And only after he'd spent the whole episode claiming that violence is never the answer.
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*** It must have been quite the performance, probably backed up by Iroh's general persona, for them to see Iroh as the kind of prisoner not dangerous or important enough to put in the Boiling Rock. Mind you, having him broken out at the same time as Suki and Hakoda would give Zuko's reunion a bit too early; he needed to set his other relationships straight first, then go for the major one (who wasn't trying to kill him, that is).
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** Maybe it was just a spur of the moment thing - they knew one another from the invasion, were on the same side, and they had both survived the war; 'impulsive hug of having not died'.
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** The G rated version of GladToBeAliveSex, in other words.
** The G rated version of GladToBeAliveSex, in other words.
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** She puked in his helmet. At his suggestion. Bonding.
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** She puked in his helmet. At his suggestion. Bonding.Bonding.
** Maybe it was just a spur of the moment thing - they knew one another from the invasion, were on the same side, and they had both survived the war; 'impulsive hug of having not died'.
** Maybe it was just a spur of the moment thing - they knew one another from the invasion, were on the same side, and they had both survived the war; 'impulsive hug of having not died'.
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* Near the end, when all the nations are gathered to hear Zuko and Aang's speech, we see The Duke hug Toph. I could understand if he likes her or they like each other, but nothing about that was ever explained before or after! I doubt it was just a friendly hug because he was eight or so and I don't think he would be giving girl a friendly hug.
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* Near the end, when all the nations are gathered to hear Zuko and Aang's speech, we see The Duke hug Toph. I could understand if he likes her or they like each other, but nothing about that was ever explained before or after! I doubt it was just a friendly hug because he was eight or so and I don't think he would be giving girl a friendly hug.hug.
** She puked in his helmet. At his suggestion. Bonding.
** She puked in his helmet. At his suggestion. Bonding.
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*** I always thought Iroh was able to escape because the guards thought he lost his mind, I mean they didn't evern restrain the guy, plus didn't Iroh escape during The Day of Black Sun and only used his brute strength? Also to add to the post above me, they could probably place Ozai in a cooler like system like in the Boiling Rock episode.
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*** I always thought Iroh was able to escape because the guards thought he lost his mind, I mean they didn't evern restrain the guy, plus didn't Iroh escape during The Day of Black Sun and only used his brute strength? Also to add to the post above me, they could probably place Ozai in a cooler like system like in the Boiling Rock episode.episode.
*Near the end, when all the nations are gathered to hear Zuko and Aang's speech, we see The Duke hug Toph. I could understand if he likes her or they like each other, but nothing about that was ever explained before or after! I doubt it was just a friendly hug because he was eight or so and I don't think he would be giving girl a friendly hug.
*Near the end, when all the nations are gathered to hear Zuko and Aang's speech, we see The Duke hug Toph. I could understand if he likes her or they like each other, but nothing about that was ever explained before or after! I doubt it was just a friendly hug because he was eight or so and I don't think he would be giving girl a friendly hug.
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*** Well, he never went to check, so he might not have known for sure that he'd actually ''killed'' it. Alternatively, maybe he's talking about not killing ''people''.
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***** In the episode after the one where Appa was kidnapped, when the team was fighting a swarm of vulture-wasps, one of them grabs Momo. Aang, in a bad mood not only gets Momo back, but kills the bird as it was trying to escape. It was definitely on purpose, so he lied to Avatar Kyoshi when he said he never took a life.
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** Like the first person said she couldn't melt the chains without seriously burning herself. When she busted out of Toph's cuffs, she built up pressure inside super quickly by heating the air inside and the cuffs blasted off. Chains aren't rigid so that wouldn't work.
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*** Only failing at redirecting lightning is deadly. Zuko tried many times to shoot lightning and failed and all that happened was a small explosion in his face.
