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** Costello could have gotten immersed in English enough to understand her by the end. It's possible, nay probable, that the Heptapod's also sent their best linguists who could learn a wildly different language just off limited communication.
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** Costello could have gotten immersed in English enough to understand her by the end. It's possible, nay probable, that the Heptapod's also sent their best linguists who could learn a wildly different language just off limited communication.communication.
* How did Sheena Easton have a hit single in the middle of the Indian Ocean?
* How did Sheena Easton have a hit single in the middle of the Indian Ocean?
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** Who said the ink was biological? Perhaps their using the Heptapod equivalent of a pen that, for various reasons, none of the humans realize isn't part of their body.
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** Who said the ink was biological? Perhaps their they are using the Heptapod equivalent of a pen that, for various reasons, none of the humans realize isn't part of their body.
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** There's a theory further up the thread that Abott and Costello didn't learn English beforehand to maintain the barrier that would spur Louise to learn their language. On the other end of that, Costello could have gotten immersed English enough to understand her by the end. It's possible, nay probable, that the Heptapod's also sent their best linguists who could learn a wildly different language just off limited communication.
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** There's a theory further up the thread that Abott and Costello didn't learn English beforehand to maintain the barrier that would spur Louise to learn their language. On the other end of that, Costello could have gotten immersed in English enough to understand her by the end. It's possible, nay probable, that the Heptapod's also sent their best linguists who could learn a wildly different language just off limited communication.
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** Who said the ink was biological? Perhaps their using the Heptapod equivalent of a pen that, for various reasons, none of the humans realize isn't part of their body.
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* When Louise goes to contact Abott and Costello alone, and Costello tells her Abott is "death process", she talks to them verbally. How are the heptapods able to understand spoken English?
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* When Louise goes to contact Abott and Costello alone, and Costello tells her Abott is "death process", she talks to them verbally. How are the heptapods able to understand spoken English?English?
** There's a theory further up the thread that Abott and Costello didn't learn English beforehand to maintain the barrier that would spur Louise to learn their language. On the other end of that, Costello could have gotten immersed English enough to understand her by the end. It's possible, nay probable, that the Heptapod's also sent their best linguists who could learn a wildly different language just off limited communication.
** There's a theory further up the thread that Abott and Costello didn't learn English beforehand to maintain the barrier that would spur Louise to learn their language. On the other end of that, Costello could have gotten immersed English enough to understand her by the end. It's possible, nay probable, that the Heptapod's also sent their best linguists who could learn a wildly different language just off limited communication.
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** The writing IS writing, the Heptapods do have a spoken language. While this is not made clear in the movie (we do hear them doing vocalizations, though), in the book they do make a point that they actually have two unrelated languages, one spoken and one written.
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** The writing IS writing, the Heptapods do have a spoken language. While this is not made clear in the movie (we do hear them doing vocalizations, though), in the book they do make a point that they actually have two unrelated languages, one spoken and one written.written.
* When Louise goes to contact Abott and Costello alone, and Costello tells her Abott is "death process", she talks to them verbally. How are the heptapods able to understand spoken English?
* When Louise goes to contact Abott and Costello alone, and Costello tells her Abott is "death process", she talks to them verbally. How are the heptapods able to understand spoken English?
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** I took it to mean that the Lousie hasn't been having visions of the future until meeting the aliens. She doesn't seem upset about the visions until much later, it seems more of mind-screw for the audience. However that does lead a disillusioned Lousie, perhaps it's simply that she focused too much on career than personal life.
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** You're assuming the military has an objection to far-right extremist media at all.
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*** Another interpretation is that there is no 'cheat': you have to actually learn information at some point to be able to use it. Louise is able to call the Chinese general's private phone number and repeat his wife's last words because eventually he shows her the number and tells her the final words in the future. The aliens never end up learning English to any great degree, and so can't use it to teach humans their own language.
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*** Science fiction varies in its themes across different times. For quite a while, popular scifi had military personnel be the reasonable, sane, and rational ones, while the scientists clung to preconceived ideas and took foolish risks that blew up in their faces.
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** Of course both circumstances differ. Louise saw herself receiving the info from the Chinese general to change the past, so she did exactly that. If saving her daughter was something that could have been done, then she wouldn't have seen her dying to begin with. Consider this: Both Abbott and Costello HAD to know about the bomb and that Abbott would die because of it, but they did nothing to prevent it because the future is set.
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** From the book: "Usually, Heptapod B affects just my memory: my consciousness crawls along as it did before, a glowing sliver crawling forward in time, the difference being that the ash of memory lies ahead as well as behind: there is no real combustion. But occasionally I have glimpses when Heptapod B truly reigns and I experience past and future all at once; my consciousness becomes a half-century-long ember burning outside time. I perceive — during those glimpses — that entire epoch as a simultaneity."
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*** This is exactly it. The heptapods needed a unified humanity so we could (using their non-linear language) develop much faster into a species capable of helping them in 3000 years. They even call it out early in the film when Halpern says "We're a world with no single leader. It's impossible to deal with just one of us.". Humanity is so divided that it makes dealing with problems more complicated, lengthy and maybe even impossible.
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** It’s an alien language. There’s nothing in the movie to imply that the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis (AKA linguistic relativity) is true of human languages. Not to mention the weak version of the hypothesis is still held by some modern linguists. Louise starts to explain it but is interrupted. Actually a little GeniusBonus since Whorf’s most extensive argument for linguistic relativity was based on the Hopi Tribe’s conceptualization of ''time'', that their view of time was circular, not linear, (his claims were largely false). Also, since Louise is actually [[spoiler:dreaming]] at the time, it could be a sign her subconscious is figuring out what is happening.
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* So the heptapods talk by "writing" with ink. Do their bodies constantly produce this substance? Do they run out of this ink and are unable to "talk" until their bodies make more?
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* So the heptapods talk by "writing" with ink. Do their bodies constantly produce this substance? Do they run out of this ink and are unable to "talk" until their bodies make more?more?
** The writing IS writing, the Heptapods do have a spoken language. While this is not made clear in the movie (we do hear them doing vocalizations, though), in the book they do make a point that they actually have two unrelated languages, one spoken and one written.
** The writing IS writing, the Heptapods do have a spoken language. While this is not made clear in the movie (we do hear them doing vocalizations, though), in the book they do make a point that they actually have two unrelated languages, one spoken and one written.
