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** Then he is even MORE of an idiot for teaching his "son" Advanced Martial Arts. Peter Weyland ''clearly'' fell asleep in High School History Class during the Roman Period, when the "Gladiator Fallacy" was taught; that of giving your ''servants'' '''better''' weapons and training than your own warriors, and THEN treating these breathing thinking feeling beings like property, resulting in a bloody rebellion lead by an '''highly-skilled''' chap called Film/{{Spartacus}}.

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** Then he is even MORE of an idiot for teaching his "son" Advanced Martial Arts. Peter Weyland ''clearly'' fell asleep in High School History Class during the Roman Period, when the "Gladiator Fallacy" was taught; that of giving your ''servants'' '''better''' weapons and training than your own warriors, and THEN treating these breathing living thinking feeling beings like property, resulting in a bloody rebellion lead by an '''highly-skilled''' and '''angry''' chap called Film/{{Spartacus}}.
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** Then he is even MORE of an idiot for teaching his "son" Advanced Martial Arts. Peter Weyland ''clearly'' fell asleep in High School History Class during the Roman Period, when the "Gladiator Fallacy" was taught; that of giving your ''servants'' '''better''' weapons and training than your own warriors, and THEN treating these breathing thinking feeling beings like property, resulting in a bloody rebellion lead by an '''angry''' chap called Film/{{Spartacus}}.

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** Then he is even MORE of an idiot for teaching his "son" Advanced Martial Arts. Peter Weyland ''clearly'' fell asleep in High School History Class during the Roman Period, when the "Gladiator Fallacy" was taught; that of giving your ''servants'' '''better''' weapons and training than your own warriors, and THEN treating these breathing thinking feeling beings like property, resulting in a bloody rebellion lead by an '''angry''' '''highly-skilled''' chap called Film/{{Spartacus}}.
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** Then he is even MORE of an idiot for teaching his "son" Advanced Martial Arts. Peter Weyland ''clearly'' fell asleep in High School History Class during the Roman Period, when the "Gladiator Fallacy" was taught; that of giving your ''servants'' '''better''' weapons and training than your own warriors, and THEN treating these breathing thinking feeling beings like property, resulting in a bloody rebellion lead by an '''angry''' chap called Film/{{Spartacus}}.
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** But both of those cases answers affirmatively to my last question, and I find weird that the matter wasn't addressed at all in the film. We have never seen people being bred in PeopleJars in any of the films (barring ''Alien Resurrection'' and its creepy experiments, which would be still more than a century after the events of ''Covenant'') but we are suddenly expected to HandWave it as just another resource? In the franchise's universe, such an element would have a lot of social/philosophic load, just like the entire synthetic human stuff and the Engineer heritage, yet this film completely overlooks it.
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*** Pretty much this. What we see are David's first generation of successes, not the final products that we're used to seeing. Every piece of them is inconsistent with what we know: the eggs open to being touched instead of just movement, the implantation and gestation is too quick. the chestburster is too developed and the adult grew too fast (which is saying something given how fats they usually grow). We see David taking two facehugger embryos along with him at the end and a whole ship full of humans to experiment with, odds are he's planning to improve his creation until they're the creatures that we know.


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** Weyland wanted David to be a son, Weyland is also an abusive asshole of a parent.


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** We outright see Walter's wounds closing, it's not much of a stretch to assume David can do the same, at least superficially. Yes, Walter is an advanced model but that could just be referencing how such a wound would have been fatal to David.
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** They're trying to basically bootstrap a whole new civilization. The colonists are people that are going to have to work to terraform/get things set up. And they're all adults. The embryos are so the colonists don't have to immediately "get busy" as soon as they get set up, they can have another generation on the way while things are still getting set up. Building a stable population from scratch on a new planet isn't easy.

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** They're trying to basically bootstrap a whole new civilization. The colonists are people that are going to have to work to terraform/get things set up. And they're all adults. The embryos are so the colonists don't have to immediately "get busy" as soon as they get set up, they can have another generation on the way while things are still getting set up. Building a stable population from scratch on a new planet isn't easy. Then once colonists do start having kids, the children will have a reasonable age range instead of all being born at once.
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** They're trying to basically bootstrap a whole new civilization. The colonists are people that are going to have to work to terraform/get things set up. And they're all adults. The embryos are so the colonists don't have to immediately "get busy" as soon as they get set up, they can have another generation on the way while things are still getting set up. Building a stable population from scratch on a new planet isn't easy.
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** As redundancy, in case they lose too many colonists due to an accident.
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** I believe we are seeing too many contradictions. Through the films it's established that you are screwed at the moment you have the facehugger in your face; even although they uncharacteristically managed to rip it off very fast, it showed its proboscis hanging, meaning he had already planted its seed. About the incubation time, well, if we take in consideration that the chestbursters in this movie exploded basically as miniature Xenomorphs instead of the slow-incubating limbless larvas shown in all the other canonical films, it's probable that those Xenomorphs are a special breed, probably an imperfect prototype or a cheap fast form of the future aliens. In nature, the longer is your development state, the more complex and smart your species is, and indeed, those Xenomorphs seemed substantially less smart than the classic breed. Just look how the one at the end tried to mindlessly smash the dropship's windows open with its head instead of, say, seeking any other opening in the hull to sneak into like the alien in the original film tried to do.


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** Judging by how David's hair grew in all those years, I think those androids might have some kind of synthetic regenerative process not unlike cell multiplication. We don't even know how fast they could heal in that case.
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* What's the point of carrying a load of human embryos in the colony ship? It already carries presumably fertile human couples who are expected to have their own offspring through the natural method. Also, their sole numbers (I recall they were 2000 souls on the ship or so) are more than enough to work around the genetic bottleneck of an AdamAndEvePlot, so they don't really need any extra in vitro genetic diversity. Were they planning to use the embryos to cultivate humans in tanks?

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It is revealed at the end that [[spoiler:David has been posing as Walter ever since they escaped the planet.]] But earlier on, when David and Daniels are fighting, she shoves the [[ChekhovsGun big nail she's been carrying around her neck]] into his head, right under his under chin.
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When they next meet, this tell-tale wound has vanished. While David could theoretically repair it at some point, the wound seems to be completely gone from the moment he's on-board the Covenant.

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It *It is revealed at the end that [[spoiler:David has been posing as Walter ever since they escaped the planet.]] But earlier on, when David and Daniels are fighting, she shoves the [[ChekhovsGun big nail she's been carrying around her neck]] into his head, right under his under chin.
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* It is revealed at the end that [[spoiler:David has been posing as Walter ever since they escaped the planet.]] However, the wound that he received under the chin from the piton whilst fighting with Daniels is missing. While he could theoretically repair it at some point, it seems to be gone from the moment he gets on board the Covenant.

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* It is revealed at the end that [[spoiler:David has been posing as Walter ever since they escaped the planet.]] However, the wound that he received under the chin from the piton whilst fighting with But earlier on, when David and Daniels is missing. are fighting, she shoves the [[ChekhovsGun big nail she's been carrying around her neck]] into his head, right under his under chin.
-->'''David:''' That's the spirit!
When they next meet, this tell-tale wound has vanished.
While he David could theoretically repair it at some point, it the wound seems to be completely gone from the moment he gets on board he's on-board the Covenant.
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** At the time I assumed that [[spoiler:David (posing as Walter) had infected the replacement bandage he puts on Lope's facial burn with a virus, which he's shown to be working on. But that doesn't explain how it would result in a Xenomorph, which apparently needs the chestburster/egg infection method.]]

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** At the time I assumed that [[spoiler:David (posing as Walter) had infected the replacement bandage he puts on Lope's facial burn with a virus, black goo, which he's shown to be working on. But that doesn't explain how it would result in a Xenomorph, which apparently needs the chestburster/egg infection method.]]
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** At the time I assumed that [[spoiler:David (posing as Walter) had infected the replacement bandage he puts on Lope's facial burn with a Xenomorph virus, which he's shown to be working on. But that doesn't explain how it would result in a Xenomorph, which apparently needs the chestburster/egg infection method.]]

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** At the time I assumed that [[spoiler:David (posing as Walter) had infected the replacement bandage he puts on Lope's facial burn with a Xenomorph virus, which he's shown to be working on. But that doesn't explain how it would result in a Xenomorph, which apparently needs the chestburster/egg infection method.]]
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* It is revealed at the end that [[spoiler:David has been posing as Walter ever since they escaped the planet.]] However, the wound that he received under the chin from the Christ nail whilst fighting with Daniels is missing. While he could theoretically repair it at some point, it seems to be gone from the moment he gets on board the Covenant.

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* It is revealed at the end that [[spoiler:David has been posing as Walter ever since they escaped the planet.]] However, the wound that he received under the chin from the Christ nail piton whilst fighting with Daniels is missing. While he could theoretically repair it at some point, it seems to be gone from the moment he gets on board the Covenant.

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** So those A2's really were a bit twitchy...

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** So those A2's really were a bit twitchy...twitchy...

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* It is revealed at the end that [[spoiler:David has been posing as Walter ever since they escaped the planet.]] However, the wound that he received under the chin from the Christ nail whilst fighting with Daniels is missing. While he could theoretically repair it at some point, it seems to be gone from the moment he gets on board the Covenant.
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** Well, by the time the Bishop series were manufactured, Synthetics seem to be unable to even HOLD a Gun, much less fire one in self defense. This would imply that in the 57 years that Ripley slept, there would probably have been a bloody rebellion or two caused by the lack of ThreeLawsCompliant as programming standard.

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** Well, by the time the Bishop series were manufactured, Synthetics seem to be unable to even HOLD a Gun, much less fire one in self defense. This would imply that in the 57 years that Ripley slept, there would probably have been a bloody rebellion or two caused by the lack of ThreeLawsCompliant as programming standard.standard.
** So those A2's really were a bit twitchy...
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** Not knowing where it is is easy enough, he could just tell the ship to go home/ select it from givin options. He also doesn't know what the ship is capable of so since he doesn't know where he's going or how fast it can get there he can't know how long it would take.

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** Not knowing where it is is easy enough, he could just tell the ship to go home/ select it from givin given options. He also doesn't know what the ship is capable of so since he doesn't know where he's going or how fast it can get there he can't know how long it would take.



** This is just one of many things that is upseting the more serious fans of the franchise as this contradicts the facts that (non Alien vs. Predator)facehuggers will take hours, sometimes up to a day before falling off and dying, however, when exactly in that 24 hr period does implantion happen is unknown though it is safe to assume that it is not straight away or immediately upon attachment like it happened to Lope. One of the reasonings given so far is that theses are not the Xenomorphs we know, they are David's creations and so in addition to their different appearance, they may function differently, though it still silly on just how fast it happened and it makes one wonder why they have those oxygen bladders if they don't need to stay on someone's face for more than a few seconds.

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** This is just one of many things that is upseting the more serious fans of the franchise as this contradicts the facts that (non Alien vs. Predator)facehuggers Predator) facehuggers will take hours, sometimes up to a day before falling off and dying, however, when exactly in that 24 hr period does implantion happen is unknown though it is safe to assume that it is not straight away or immediately upon attachment like it happened to Lope. One of the reasonings given so far is that theses these are not the Xenomorphs we know, they are David's creations and so in addition to their different appearance, they may function differently, though it it's still silly based on just how fast it happened and it makes one wonder why they have those oxygen bladders if they don't need to stay on someone's face for more than a few seconds.
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** On the contrary -- David was implied to be a surrogate son for Weyland, not an obedient slave (and therefore would not be programmed to be obedient to humans, which would defeat the whole purpose). And judging from what happens in the original movie with Ash, Weyland-Yutani appear to be more concerned about humans causing problems than androids, so it's likely some robots are programmed to attack humans if the Company deems it necessary. Lastly the synthetics are a valuable piece of equipment, so they'd need self-defence training. If humans feel the need to bring trained soldiers along on intersteller exploration and colonization missions, why wouldn't David and Walter be programmed to defend themselves?

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** On the contrary -- David was implied to be a surrogate son for Weyland, not an obedient slave (and therefore would not be programmed to be obedient to humans, which would defeat the whole purpose). And judging from what happens in the original movie with Ash, Weyland-Yutani appear to be more concerned about humans causing problems than androids, so it's likely some robots are programmed to attack humans if the Company deems it necessary. Lastly the synthetics are a valuable piece of equipment, so they'd need self-defence training. If humans feel the need to bring trained soldiers along on intersteller exploration and colonization missions, why wouldn't David and Walter be programmed to defend themselves?themselves?
** Well, by the time the Bishop series were manufactured, Synthetics seem to be unable to even HOLD a Gun, much less fire one in self defense. This would imply that in the 57 years that Ripley slept, there would probably have been a bloody rebellion or two caused by the lack of ThreeLawsCompliant as programming standard.
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** On the contrary -- David was implied to be a surrogate son for Weyland, not an obedient slave. And judging from what happens in the original movie with Ash, Weyland-Yutani appear to be more concerned about humans causing problems than androids, so it's likely some robots are programmed to attack humans if the Company deems it necessary. Lastly the synthetics are a valuable piece of equipment, so they'd need self-defence training. If humans feel the need to bring trained soldiers along on intersteller exploration and colonization missions, why wouldn't David and Walter be programmed to defend themselves?

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** On the contrary -- David was implied to be a surrogate son for Weyland, not an obedient slave.slave (and therefore would not be programmed to be obedient to humans, which would defeat the whole purpose). And judging from what happens in the original movie with Ash, Weyland-Yutani appear to be more concerned about humans causing problems than androids, so it's likely some robots are programmed to attack humans if the Company deems it necessary. Lastly the synthetics are a valuable piece of equipment, so they'd need self-defence training. If humans feel the need to bring trained soldiers along on intersteller exploration and colonization missions, why wouldn't David and Walter be programmed to defend themselves?
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** At the time I assumed that [[spoiler:David (posing as Walter) had infected the replacement bandage he puts on Lope's facial burn with a Xenomorph virus, which he's shown to be working on. But that doesn't explain how it would result in a Xenomorph, which apparently needs the chestburster/egg infection method.]]
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** On the contrary -- David was implied to be a surrogate son for Weyland, not an obedient slave. And taking from what happens in the original movie with Ash, Weyland-Yutani appear to be more concerned about humans causing problems than androids, so it's likely some robots are programmed to attack humans if the Company deems it necessary. Lastly the synthetics are a valuable piece of equipment, so they'd need self-defence training. If humans feel the need to bring trained soldiers along on intersteller exploration and colonization missions, why wouldn't David and Walter be programmed to defend themselves?

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** On the contrary -- David was implied to be a surrogate son for Weyland, not an obedient slave. And taking judging from what happens in the original movie with Ash, Weyland-Yutani appear to be more concerned about humans causing problems than androids, so it's likely some robots are programmed to attack humans if the Company deems it necessary. Lastly the synthetics are a valuable piece of equipment, so they'd need self-defence training. If humans feel the need to bring trained soldiers along on intersteller exploration and colonization missions, why wouldn't David and Walter be programmed to defend themselves?

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* Weyland ''clearly'' wanted obedient '''slaves''' when he created the David Series of Synthetics, so why the blue-heck would they (and their successor Walter Series) be programmed with High Level Martial Arts subroutines, which coupled with their literally inhuman strength speed and endurance, can makes each and every one A OneManArmy? And NOT program them to be ThreeLawsCompliant on top of all that! Does Weyland Yutani actually WANT a RobotRebellion to overthrow humanity?

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* Weyland ''clearly'' wanted obedient '''slaves''' when he created the David Series of Synthetics, so why the blue-heck would they (and their successor Walter Series) be programmed with High Level Martial Arts subroutines, which coupled with their literally inhuman strength speed and endurance, can makes each and every one A a OneManArmy? And NOT program them to be ThreeLawsCompliant on top of all that! Does Weyland Yutani actually WANT a RobotRebellion to overthrow humanity?humanity?
** On the contrary -- David was implied to be a surrogate son for Weyland, not an obedient slave. And taking from what happens in the original movie with Ash, Weyland-Yutani appear to be more concerned about humans causing problems than androids, so it's likely some robots are programmed to attack humans if the Company deems it necessary. Lastly the synthetics are a valuable piece of equipment, so they'd need self-defence training. If humans feel the need to bring trained soldiers along on intersteller exploration and colonization missions, why wouldn't David and Walter be programmed to defend themselves?
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* Weyland ''clearly'' wanted obedient '''slaves''' when he created the David Series of Synthetics, so why the blue-heck would they (and their successor Walter Series) be programmed with High Level Martial Arts subroutines, which coupled with their literally inhuman strength speed and endurance, can makes each and every one A OneManArmy? And NOT program them to be ThreeLawsCompliant on top of all that! Does Weyland Yutani actually WANT a Robot Rebellion to overthrow humanity?

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* Weyland ''clearly'' wanted obedient '''slaves''' when he created the David Series of Synthetics, so why the blue-heck would they (and their successor Walter Series) be programmed with High Level Martial Arts subroutines, which coupled with their literally inhuman strength speed and endurance, can makes each and every one A OneManArmy? And NOT program them to be ThreeLawsCompliant on top of all that! Does Weyland Yutani actually WANT a Robot Rebellion RobotRebellion to overthrow humanity?
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* Weyland ''clearly'' wanted obedient '''slaves''' when he created the David Series of Synthetics, so why the blue-heck would they (and their successor Walter Series) be programmed with High Level Martial Arts subroutines, which coupled with their literally inhuman strength speed and endurance, can makes each and every one A OneManArmy? And NOT program them to be ThreeLawsCompliant on top of all that! Does Weyland Yutani actually WANT a Robot Rebellion to overthrow humanity?
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** This is just one of many things that is upseting the more serious fans of the franchise as this contradicts the facts that (non Alien vs. Predator)facehuggers will take hours, sometimes up to a day before falling off and dying, however, when exactly in that 24 hr period does implantion happen is unknown though it is safe to assume that it is not straight away or immediately upon attachment like it happened to Lope. One of the reasonings given so far is that theses are not the Xenomorphs we know, they are David's creations and so in addition to their different appearance, they may function differently, though it still silly on just how fast it happened and it makes one wonder why they have those oxygen bladders if they don't need to stay on someone's face for more than a few seconds.
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* We see he's attached by a facehugger, though it's ripped off him presumably before he can be infected, but later on he dies by chestburster. But, how did he get infected? Normally the parasite needs to remain for a few hours, not just a few seconds.

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* We see he's attached by a facehugger, though it's ripped off him presumably before he can be infected, but later on he dies by chestburster. But, how did he get infected? Normally the parasite needs to remain for a few hours, not just a few seconds.seconds, or did I just fall asleep at that point in the film?
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** Not knowing where it is is easy enough, he could just tell the ship to go home/ select it from givin options. He also doesn't know what the ship is capable of so since he doesn't know where he's going or how fast it can get there he can't know how long it would take.
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* As seen in [[https://youtu.be/XeMVrnYNwus?t=1m12s this]] video, how can David not know how long it will take to get to the Engineer homeworld? How can he know their destination, but not know either how far away it is, or how fast the ship can travel?
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