History HateSink / TheKarateKid

** ''Part III'': Snake is one of the lackeys hired by Terry Silver to help Mike strong arm Daniel into competing. He has his own style of taunting and also helps Mike to abandon Daniel and Jessica Andrews at the edge of a cliff to drown when the tide comes in and it is Snake's idea to force Daniel to hand over the Bonsai tree too even after Daniel agreed to fight, threatening to drop Jessica to do so. Snake gets a moment during the tournament when another taunt results in Daniel getting the drop on him a moment and he looks to be on the verge of tears when Daniel defeats Mike.

** ''Part III'': Snake is one of the lackeys hired by Terry Silver to help Mike strong arm Daniel into competing. He has his own style of taunting and also helps Mike to abandon Daniel and Jessica Andrews at the edge of a cliff to drown when the tide comes in and it is Snake's idea to force Daniel to hand over the tree too even after Daniel agreed to fight, threatening to drop Jessica to do so. Snake gets a moment during the tournament when another taunt results in Daniel getting the drop on him a moment and he looks to be on the verge of tears when Daniel defeats Mike.

* Just the films:
** ''Part III'' only: Snake is one of the lackeys hired by Terry Silver to help Mike strong arm Daniel into competing. He has his own style of taunting and also helps Mike to abandon Daniel and Jessica Andrews at the edge of a cliff to drown when the tide comes in and it is Snake's idea to force Daniel to hand over the tree too even after Daniel agreed to fight, threatening to drop Jessica to do so. Snake gets a moment during the tournament when another taunt results in Daniel getting the drop on him a moment and he looks to be on the verge of tears when Daniel defeats Mike.

** [[Film/TheKarateKid2010 2010 film]]: Master Li is this film's Kreese {{Expy}} who also instills the same strict and vicious methods toward his karate students. During the tournament, he also has Cheng and his other students perform illegal moves on Dre Parker and it is even more egregious here since Dre is younger than Daniel. Once Dre wins though, Li's students [[TakeThat defy him by bowing to and showing Mr. Han respect]] for his way more honorable methods.

*** For most of the film, Ned Randall rivals Johnny in his relentless bullying and taunting. Ned constantly harasses Julie Pierce to try to force her to go out with him while making her look like a troublemaker using his position in Alpha Elite and even gets her in trouble with the police too--while also having them take her pet hawk Angel as well. When Eric [=McGowen=] is standing up to him--both with his harassment and when Ned gets a student injured in a bungee jumping stunt, Ned also targets him by means of forcing him into a fight where he beats him down--and before that, taunts and tries to get him to push him off the roof of the school too. By the end, while he cheats during his fight with Julie by throwing sand in her face, Ned's willing to back off not only when she defeats him, but also finally sees how much of a toxic and vile influence Colonel Dugan was on his own behavior too.
*** Colonel Paul Dugan himself is the instructor of the school's Alpha Elite who much like Kreese insists on his students using extremely aggressive and militaristic tactics. He either knowingly or unwittingly looks the other way whenever Ned taunts; torments and gets Julie in trouble and has Ned beat the crap put of Eric for defeating Dugan while sparring earlier. Dugan also berates Ned for his defeat at Julie's hands and also the boys for not wanting to challenge her after, but then they all look down upon Dugan once Mr. Miyagi summarily kicks his ass.

*** Colonel Paul Dugan himself is the instructor of the school's Alpha Elite who much like Kreese insists on his students using extremely aggressive and militaristic tactics. He either knowingly or unwittingly looks the other way whenever Ned taunts and torments Julie and has Ned beat the crap put of Eric for defeating Dugan while sparring earlier. Dugan also berates Ned for his defeat at Julie's hands and also the boys for not wanting to challenge her after, but then they all look down upon Dugan once Mr. Miyagi summarily kicks his ass.

*** Colonel Paul Dugan is the instructor of the school's Alpha Elite who much like Kreese insists on his students using extremely aggressive and militaristic tactics. He either knowingly or unwittingly looks the other way whenever Ned Randall taunts and torments Julie Pierce and has Ned beat the crap put of Eric [=McGowen=] for defeating Dugan while sparring earlier. Dugan also berates Ned for his defeat at Julie's hands and also the boys for not wanting to challenge her after, but then they all look down upon Dugan once Mr. Miyagi summarily kicks his ass.
*** For most of the film, Ned Randall himself rivals Johnny in his relentless bullying and taunting. Ned constantly harasses Julie to try to force her to go out with him while making her look like a troublemaker using his position in Alpha Elite and even gets her in trouble with the police too--while also having them take her pet hawk Angel as well. When Eric is standing up to him--both with his harassment and when Ned gets a student injured in a bungee jumping stunt, Ned also targets him by means of forcing him into a fight where he beats him down--and before that, taunts and tries to get him to push him off the roof of the school too. By the end, while he cheats during his fight with Julie by throwing sand in her face, Ned's willing to back off not only when she defeats him, but also finally sees how much of a toxic and vile influence Dugan was on his own behavior too.

** [[Film/TheKarateKid2010 2010 film]]: Master Li is this film's Kreese {{Expy}} who also instills the same strict and vicious methods toward his karate students. During the tournament, he also has his students perform illegal moves on Dre Parker and it is even more egregious here since Dre is younger than Daniel. Once Dre wins though, Li's students [[TakeThat defy him by bowing to and showing Mr. Han respect]] for his way more honorable methods.

** [[Film/TheKarateKid2010 2010 film]]:
*** Master Li is this film's Kreese {{Expy}} who also instills the same strict and vicious methods toward his karate students. During the tournament, he also has his students perform illegal moves on Dre Parker and it is even more egregious here since Dre is younger than Daniel. Once Dre wins though, Li's students [[TakeThat defy him by bowing to and showing Mr. Han respect]] for his way more honorable methods.
*** Cheng is Johnny's less likable and more hostile Expy who constantly harasses Dre in very much the same ways, specifically when Dre becomes friends with Meiying who Cheng also has a crush on. For the most part, he's more susceptible and accepting of Li's teachings as well--even with the abuse Li deals him and the others. Eventually by the end of the movie though, he's a GracefulLoser to Dre giving him the trophy personally and he and the other students [[VillainRespect bow to Han as well]].

*** For most of the film, Ned Randall himself rivals Johnny in his relentless bullying and taunting. Ned constantly harasses Julie to try to force her to go out with him while making her look like a troublemaker using his position in Alpha Elite and even gets her in trouble with the police too--while also having them take her pet hawk Angel as well. When Eric is standing up to him--both with his harassment and when Ned gets a student injured in a bungee jumping stunt, Ned also targets him by means of forcing him into a fight where he beats him down--and before that, taunts and tries to get him to push him off the roof of the school too. By the end, while he cheats during his fight with Julie while throwing sand in her face, Ned's willing to back off not only when she defeats him, but also finally sees how much of a toxic and vile influence Dugan was on his own behavior too.

** [[Film/TheKarateKid1984 The]] [[Film/TheKarateKidPartII [=LaRusso=]]] [[Film/TheKarateKidPartIII Trilogy]]: [[SenseiForScoundrels John Kreese]] appears in the films as nothing more than a bullying thuggish asshole, both to Daniel and to his own students. Although Johnny is TheHeavy of the first film as Daniel's school bully, rival and FinalBoss at the tournament, it's made very clear that Kreese's [[EvilMentor awful teaching]] is the real reason why Johnny acts the way he does, and in many ways Johnny is another of Kreese's victims. This is confirmed in the beginning of ''Part II'', where Kreese tries to [[DisproportionateRetribution choke Johnny out]] because he [[SoreLoser lost to Daniel]], while ''Part III'' shows that even losing all of his students hasn't taught him a thing, as he still [[NeverMyFault blames Daniel and Mr. Miyagi]] for all of his problems. He also [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain uses racist slurs]] against Miyagi. Although Kreese appears to be as bad as he was in the films when he reappears on ''Cobra Kai'', considering that he [[UngratefulBastard takes advantage of Johnny's sympathy]] and willingness to give him a second chance in order to steal Johnny's dojo, Kreese eventually subverts this trope with Season 3's reveal of his tragic backstory, and he even gets a few PetTheDog moments in his relationship with [[MoralityPet Tory Nichols]], though he remains a nasty piece of work with only a handful of redeeming qualities.

** [[Film/TheKarateKid1984 The]] [[Film/TheKarateKidPartII [=LaRusso=]]] [[Film/TheKarateKidPartIII Trilogy]]: [[SenseiForScoundrels John Kreese]] appears in the films as nothing more than a bullying thuggish asshole, both to Daniel and to his own students. Although Johnny is TheHeavy of the first film as Daniel's school bully, rival and FinalBoss at the tournament, it's made very clear that Kreese's [[EvilMentor awful teaching]] is the real reason why Johnny acts the way he does, and in many ways Johnny is another of Kreese's victims. This is confirmed in the beginning of ''Part II'', where Kreese tries to [[DisproportionateRetribution choke Johnny out]] because he [[SoreLoser lost to Daniel]], while ''Part III'' shows that even losing all of his students hasn't taught him a thing, as he still [[NeverMyFault blames Daniel and Mr. Miyagi]] for all of his problems. He also [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain uses racist slurs]] against Miyagi. Although Kreese appears to be as bad as he was in the films when he reappears on ''Cobra Kai'', considering that he [[UngratefulBastard takes advantage of Johnny's sympathy]] and willingness to give him a second chance in order to steal Johnny's dojo, Kreese eventually subverts this trope with Season 3's reveal of his tragic backstory, and he even gets a few PetTheDog moments in his relationship with [[MoralityPet Tory]], though he remains a nasty piece of work with only a handful of redeeming qualities.

*** For most of the film, Ned Randall himself rivals Johnny in his relentless bullying and taunting. Ned constantly harasses Julie to try to force her to go out with him while making her look like a troublemaker using his position in Alpha Elite and even gets her in trouble with the police too--while also having them take her pet hawk Angel as well. When Eric is standing up to him, Ned also targets him by means of forcing him into a fight where he beats him down--and before that, taunts and tries to get him to push him off the roof of the school too. By the end, while he cheats during his fight with Julie while throwing sand in her face, Ned's willing to back off not only when she defeats him, but also finally sees how much of a toxic and vile influence Dugan was on his own behavior too.

*** Cheng is Johnny's less likable and more hostile Expy who constantly harasses Dre in very much the same ways, specifically when Dre becomes friends with Meiying who Cheng also has a crush on. For the most part, he's more susceptible and accepting of Li's teaching as well--even with the abuse Li deals him and the others. Eventually by the end of the movie though, he's a GracefulLoser to Dre giving him the trophy personally and he and the other students [[VillainRespect bow to Han as well]].

*** Cheng is Johnny's less likable Expy who constantly harasses Dre in very much the same ways, specifically when Dre becomes friends with Meiying who Cheng also has a crush on. For the most part, he's more susceptible and accepting of Li's teaching as well--even with the abuse Li deals him and the others. Eventually by the end of the movie though, he's a GracefulLoser to Dre giving him the trophy personally and he and the other students [[VillainRespect bow to Han as well]].

** Master Li is this film's Kreese {{Expy}} who also instills the same strict and vicious methods toward his karate students. During the tournament, he also has his students perform illegal moves on Dre Parker and it is even more egregious here since Dre is younger than Daniel. Once Dre wins though, Li's students [[TakeThat defy him by bowing to and showing Mr. Han respect]] for his way more honorable methods.
** Cheng is Johnny's less likable Expy who constantly harasses Dre in very much the same ways, specifically when Dre becomes friends with Meiying who Cheng also has a crush on. For the most part, he's more susceptible and accepting of Li's teaching as well--even with the abuse Li deals him and the others. Eventually by the end of the movie though, he's a GracefulLoser to Dre giving him the trophy personally and he and the other students [[VillainRespect bow to Han as well]].

** ''Part III'' only: Snake is one of the lackeys hired by Terry to help Mike strong arm Daniel into competing. He has his own style of taunting and also helps Barnes to abandon Daniel and Jessica Andrews at the edge of a cliff to drown when the tide comes in and it is Snake's idea to force Daniel to hand over the tree too even after Daniel agreed to fight, threatening to drop Jessica to do so. Snake gets a moment during the tournament when another taunt results in Daniel getting the drop on him a moment and he looks to be on the verge of tears when Daniel defeats Mike.
** ''Film/TheNextKarateKid'': Colonel Paul Dugan is the instructor of the school's Alpha Elite who much like Kreese insists on his students using extremely aggressive and militaristic tactics. He either knowingly or unwittingly looks the other way whenever Ned Randall taunts and torments Julie Pierce and has Ned beat the crap put of Eric [=McGowen=] for defeating Dugan while sparring earlier. Dugan also berates Ned for his defeat at Julie's hands and also the boys for not wanting to challenge her after, but then they all look down upon Dugan once Mr. Miyagi summarily kicks his ass.
** [[Film/TheKarateKid2010 2010 film]]: Master Li is this film's Kreese {{Expy}} who also instills the same strict and vicious methods toward his karate students. During the tournament, he also has his students perform illegal moves on Dre Parker and it is even more egregious here since Dre is younger than Daniel. Once Dre wins though, Li's students [[TakeThat defy him by bowing to and showing Mr. Han respect]] for his way more honorable methods.

* Just the Films:

* Films only:
** ''Part III'': Snake is one of the lackeys hired by Terry to help Mike strong arm Daniel into competing. He has his own style of taunting and also helps Barnes to abandon Daniel and Jessica Andrews at the edge of a cliff to drown when the tide comes in and it is Snake's idea to force Daniel to hand over the tree too even after Daniel agreed to fight, threatening to drop Jessica to do so. Snake gets a moment during the tournament when another taunt results in Daniel getting the drop on him a moment and he looks to be on the verge of tears when Daniel defeats Mike.

* '''Kyler Park'''. Unlike the GreyAndGrayMorality setup that most of the other characters have, Kyler is clearly written to be as unlikable as possible and has little to no redeeming traits. Even when Cobra Kai students start falling under HeWhoFightsMonsters, they are still not as awful as Kyler. Season 3 reaffirms that the guy hasn't changed one bit [[spoiler:especially his ''love'' of penile drawings and willingness to attack Miguel as the guy is still recovering from his coma and paralysis]]. [[spoiler:While he eventually devolves into more of a comic relief punching bag in the later seasons, he is, as Eli himself states in the Season 5 FinalBattle, still the same InsufferableImbecile as he was throughout the entire show—with his only possible redeeming qualities being that he is affable with his Cobra Kai teammates and doesn't approve of Terry Silver cheating his way in the tournament. Even then, he tries to ''take credit'' for his former sensei's downfall]].

* John Kreese--introduced in the [[Film/TheKarateKid1984 original 1984 film]], having not changed his ruthless, asshole ways from ''Film/TheKarateKid'' series — especially when he outright takes over the dojo from Johnny and has no sympathy in kicking out loyal members like Bert and Mitch. Though he eventually loses the trope once his backstory is revealed and he undergoes a lot of CharacterDevelopment in both Seasons 4 and 5.
* Unlike Johnny Lawrence (who at least had some sort of sense of honor, especially in the tournament), both [[Film/TheKarateKidPartII Chozen Toguchi]] and [[Film/TheKarateKidPartIII Mike Barnes]] were very much so in ''Film/TheKarateKid'' film series, being nothing more than thuggish assholes who bully Daniel and co. just for the hell of it (Chozen in particular out of a twisted messed-up sense of honor, Mike committing heinous actions simply because Daniel didn't sign up for a tournament and continuing to do so anyways). This trope eventually gets lost when both men undergo a HeelFaceTurn in the interim, even becoming major allies to Daniel himself against Terry Silver in Season 5.

''Series/CobraKai'' has a lot of Grey-to-Grey morality characters that are either sympathetic in their cause, or have undergone redemption either through the interim between the [[Film/TheKarateKid film series]] and the TV show, or throughout the show itself. However, there are some [[HateSink absolute scumbags]] that unfortunately do exist in the Miyagi-verse.