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* During the game's final act, 90% of the world's humans turned into Wels and then were grafted onto Deus. Citan meets his daughter Midori... but not his wife...
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* During the scene in which everyone gets crucified on their gears, (and [[MemeticMutation Chu-Chu dying for your sins]]), what even is the point, since everyone is sitting comfortably inside their cockpits or, in Maria's case, on top of Seibzehn.
* You can take Maria with you in a gear dungeon that is underwater. Presumably, every other gear's cockpits are waterproof, but Maria rides on ''top'' of Siebzehn. How does she not drown?
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* During the scene in which everyone gets crucified on their gears, (and [[MemeticMutation Chu-Chu dying for your sins]]), what even is the point, since everyone is sitting comfortably inside their cockpits or, in Maria's case, on top of Seibzehn. \n Probably justified in that the Omnigears' controls are mental, thus they require the pilot to synchronize with the machine. The crosses send artificial pain signal to the machine, which are then sent to the pilots through the mental communication channel, making them feel "illusionary" pain.
* You can take Maria with you in a gear dungeon that is underwater. Presumably, every other gear's cockpits are waterproof, but Maria rides on ''top'' of Siebzehn. How does she not drown? There's the chance she enters the cockpit when the gear is underwater, rather than standing on top like most of the time.
* You can take Maria with you in a gear dungeon that is underwater. Presumably, every other gear's cockpits are waterproof, but Maria rides on ''top'' of Siebzehn. How does she not drown? There's the chance she enters the cockpit when the gear is underwater, rather than standing on top like most of the time.
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* During the scene in which everyone gets crucified on their gears, (and [[MemeticMutation Chu-Chu dying for your sins]]), what even is the point, since everyone is sitting comfortably inside their cockpits or, in Maria's case, on top of Seibzehn.
* You can take Maria with you in a gear dungeon that is underwater. Presumably, every other gear's cockpits are waterproof, but Maria rides on ''top'' of Siebzehn. How does she not drown?
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**** Maybe they do, Solaris's language is the original, flashbacks are translated for our benefit, and the surface language is something else.
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", humans are really just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. The instance Deus wakes up and their limiters are released, most of humanity will instantly die anyway and revert to nothing but biological building blocks. If people knew, most people would probably prefer Grahf to just quickly put them out of their misery, rather than allow them all to be swallowed up and melted down into [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would be relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] for his desire to end all human life and "return life to nothingness", humans are really just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. The instance Deus wakes up and their limiters are released, most of humanity will instantly die anyway and revert to nothing but biological building blocks. If people knew, most people would probably prefer Grahf to just quickly put them out of their misery, rather than allow them all to be swallowed up and melted down into [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would be relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", humans are really just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. The instance Deus wakes up and their limiters are released, most of humanity will instantly die anyway and revert to nothing but biological building blocks. If people knew, most people would probably prefer Grahf to just quickly put them out of their misery, rather than allow them all to be swallowed up and melted down into [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", humans are really just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. The instance Deus wakes up and their limiters are released, most of humanity will instantly die anyway and revert to nothing but biological building blocks. If people knew, most people would probably prefer Grahf to just quickly put them out of their misery, rather than allow them all to be swallowed up and melted down into [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would be relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", humans are really just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. The instance Deus wakes up and their limiters are released, most of humanity will instantly die anyway and revert to nothing but biological building blocks. If people knew, most people would probably prefer Grahf to just quickly put them out of their misery, rather than allow them all to be swallowed up and melted down into [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", humans are really just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. The instance Deus wakes up and their limiters are released, most of humanity will instantly die anyway and revert to nothing but biological building blocks. If people knew, most people would probably prefer Grahf to just quickly put them out of their misery, rather than allow them all to be swallowed up and melted down into [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* On my first game through ''VideoGame/{{Xenogears}}'' I had plenty DarthWiki/WallBanger and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic moments. However, with the gift of hindsight on the second playthrough, it suddenly made a whole lot more sense and falls into place beautifully.
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", but humans are just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. In fact, most people would probably prefer Grahf just put them out of their misery quickly, rather than force them all to be swallowed up and melted down into building blocks by [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum crazy]] crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", but humans are really just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. In fact, The instance Deus wakes up and their limiters are released, most of humanity will instantly die anyway and revert to nothing but biological building blocks. If people knew, most people would probably prefer Grahf to just quickly put them out of their misery quickly, misery, rather than force allow them all to be swallowed up and melted down into building blocks by [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might be [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum unstable]], he's also correct from a different point of view. Grahf might sound crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", but humans are just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body that will instantly die once Deus reawakens.. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus as a result. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might be sound [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum unstable]], he's also correct from a different point of view. Grahf might sound crazy]] crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", but humans are just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body that will instantly die once Deus reawakens.. body. In fact, most people would probably prefer Grahf just put them out of their misery quickly, rather than force them all to be swallowed up and melted down into building blocks by [[EldritchAbomination Deus]]. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus as a result. after its birth. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase permanently Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might be [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum unstable]], he's also correct from a different point of view. Deus created all human life on the planet to serve as building blocks for his new body; Grahf might sound crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", but humans are just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus as a result. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase Deus from existence.]]
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* [[spoiler: While Grahf might be [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum unstable]], he's also correct from a different point of view. Deus created all human life on the planet to serve as building blocks for his new body; Grahf might sound crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", but humans are just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body.body that will instantly die once Deus reawakens.. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus as a result. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase Deus from existence.]]
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*[[spoiler: While Grahf might be [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum unstable]], he's also correct from a different point of view. Deus created all human life on the planet to serve as building blocks for his new body; Grahf might sound crazy for his desire end all human life and "return life to nothingness", but humans are just biological material meant to serve as the building blocks for Deus's new body. If Grahf succeeds in killing every human, then Deus will have nothing to construct its new body and it would relatively easy for Grahf to kill Deus as a result. Grahf is just trying to fight against Deus in the only way he can, barring stealing Fei's body and using the Wave Existence to erase Deus from existence.]]
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* Where do Id's clothes come from anyway?
** [[WordOfGod According to the game director]] in the [[AllThereInTheManual Perfect Works artbook]]... [[ShrugOfGod he has no idea]].
** [[MetalGearSolid4 NANOMACHINES!]]
* While I admit that the final boss Urobolus feels pretty damn good seeing as you know it's really Miang. But why was she so dang easy? Was it because of the whole Disk 2 fiasco, or was it plot-related?
** It was probably one of those final bosses that opted for more of a storyline-take on it like many other games of the time period, such as the strikingly-similar VideoGame/WildARMs2. Also, consider the fact that some players defeated a [[MarathonBoss marathon of five bosses]] beforehand, so making Urobolus tough would have been a little overkill.
** Also, Miang is part of Deus, and Deus just got a butt-kicking from Fei & company about a cutscene or two ago. She may have had barely enough power to hold herself together, much less put up another fight.
* Why do Billy and Tolone have the same face?
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* Realizing that the entire human race in ''Xenogears'' is was artificially created by Deus may lead to questions or AcceptableBreaksFromReality regarding how a [[AliensSpeakingEnglish completely isolated culture retains the same language]] as the humans who were onboard the ''Eldridge''[[hottip:*:Evidenced ''Eldridge''[[note]]Evidenced not only by the in-game text and opening move but also in reading the Eldridge's data and such]].such[[/note]]. Then it comes to mind that Abel was the ship's only survivor, and could have spread these cultural aspects to the Xenogears planet.
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* Why does the super-gear Achtzehn have trouble fighting Chu-Chu, of all things? Because its mean weapons are designed to jam gears' controls. Even when she grows to gear size, Chu-Chu is still an animal. She has no controls to disrupt.
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* Why does the super-gear Achtzehn have trouble fighting Chu-Chu, of all things? Because its mean weapons are designed to jam gears' controls. Even when she grows to gear size, Chu-Chu is still an animal. She has no controls to disrupt.
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*** The odd part is that Solarians speak their own language, and if anything you'd expect Cain and the Gazel Ministry to be the ones that would use the language Deus was programmed in.
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** On the other hand, Deus may have made humans speak in the language it was programmed in.
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* Realizing that the entire human race in ''Xenogears'' is was artificially created by Deus may lead to questions or AcceptableBreaksFromReality regarding how a [[AliensSpeakingEnglish completely isolated culture retains the same language]] as the humans who were onboard the ''Eldridge''[[hottip:*:Evidenced not only by the in-game text and opening move but also in reading the Eldridge's data and such]]. Then it comes to mind that Abel was the ship's only survivor, and could have spread these cultural aspects to the Xenogears planet.
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* [[MetalGearSolid4 NANOMACHINES!]]
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* On my first game through ''{{Xenogears}}'' I had plenty DarthWiki/WallBanger and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic moments. However, with the gift of hindsight on the second playthrough, it suddenly made a whole lot more sense and falls into place beautifully.
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* On my first game through ''{{Xenogears}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Xenogears}}'' I had plenty DarthWiki/WallBanger and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic moments. However, with the gift of hindsight on the second playthrough, it suddenly made a whole lot more sense and falls into place beautifully.
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* On my first game through ''{{Xenogears}}'' I had plenty DarthWiki/WallBanger and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic moments. However, with the gift of hindsight on the second playthrough, it suddenly made a whole lot more sense and falls into place beautifully.
* On my first game through ''{{Xenogears}}'' I had plenty DarthWiki/WallBanger and WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic moments. However, with the gift of hindsight on the second playthrough, it suddenly made a whole lot more sense and falls into place beautifully.
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** Also, Miang is part of Deus, and Deus just got a butt-kicking from Fei & company about a cutscene or two ago. She may have had barely enough power to hold herself together, much less put up another fight.
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* While I admit that the final boss Urobolus feels pretty damn good seeing as you know it's really Miang. But why was she so dang easy? Was it because of the whole Disk 2 fiasco, or was it plot-related?