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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would probably encourage or order such behavior.
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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] feared might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would probably encourage or order such behavior.
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** The author [[https://archiveofourown.org/comments/184584653 stated]] she doesn't have a specific "occupation" in mind for the man and is leaving it to the readers to fill in the blanks when it comes to his intentions. [[SarcasmMode Thanks, Skyleaf.]]
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** The author [[https://archiveofourown.org/comments/184584653 stated]] she doesn't have a specific "occupation" in mind for the man and is leaving it to the readers to fill in the blanks when it comes to his intentions. [[SarcasmMode Thanks, Skyleaf.author.]]
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* Ilia became badly ill between books. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which is also when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home. It is implied this illness is what happens when people lose their personification. If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale in a much darker light]].
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* Ilia became badly ill between books.''The Depths of Deception'' and ''The Atrocities of Atlas''. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which is also when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home. It is implied this illness is what happens when people lose their personification. If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale in a much darker light]].
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* After Salem's defeat, Canada gives the Relic of Destruction to America. America later tells Ruby to use it to destroy the Relic of Choice in a procedure that causes both fear and distress. Since Canada's Grimm can sense negativity, could he sense what America planned to do? If so, did Canada hand Destruction to his twin to keep it away from his [[TheCorruption bloodthirsty]] self, or did he give Destruction to America (knowing full well what his twin planned to do) ''because'' of that bloodlust?
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* After Salem's defeat, Canada gives the Relic of Destruction to America. America later tells Ruby to use it to destroy the Relic of Choice in a procedure that causes both fear fear, pain, and distress. Since Canada's Grimm can sense negativity, could he sense what America planned to do? If so, did Canada hand Destruction to his twin to keep it away from his [[TheCorruption bloodthirsty]] self, or did he give Destruction to America (knowing full well what his twin planned to do) ''because'' of that bloodlust?
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* One of the Institute guards mentions a few Institute prisoners having "one-on-one time with the guards". Did he mean they're randomly picked to be tortured or beaten by the guards (likely for their entertainment), or are prisoners used as {{SexSlave}}s?
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* One of the Institute guards mentions a few Institute prisoners having "one-on-one time with the guards". Did he mean they're randomly picked to be tortured or beaten by the guards (likely for their entertainment), or are prisoners used as {{SexSlave}}s?{{Sex Slave}}s?
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* Other than [[WideEyedIdealist Ruby]], it is Weiss that takes Ozpin's [[AmbiguouslyEvil true nature]] the hardest. Seems odd until you think about Weiss's background and where she comes from. Ozpin's readiness to let smaller people suffer for the good of something bigger, and his (albeit reluctant) dismissal of their safety and lives, reminds her of Atlas and her father. Weiss went to Beacon to get away from those kinds of people, and when it turns out the Headmaster of Beacon thinks just like them, she's shaken.
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* After Salem's defeat, Canada gives the Relic of Destruction to America. America later tells Ruby to use it to destroy the Relic of Choice in a procedure that causes both fear and distress. Since Canada's Grimm can sense negativity, could he sense what America planned to do? If so, did Canada hand Destruction to his twin to keep it away from his [[TheCorruption bloodthirsty]] self, or did he give Destruction to America (knowing full well what his twin planned to do) ''because'' of that bloodlust?
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* It is implied the [[TheCorruption Grimm essence]] has some degree of sentience. When Canada is injured, his essence wants to live as much as he does and seals his injury with black ooze in order to [[BodyHorror keep its host alive]].
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* Roman's dialogue hints he was forced to discover his Semblance by Salem. "Forced" likely means made to fight swarms of Grimm at best, tortured until he unlocked it at worst.
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* After [[YouShouldHaveDiedInstead what she said to him]], imagine how Ruby [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone would have felt]] if America had killed himself...
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* Mixed with Tearjerker: America wakes up crying and does not know why. It's presumably because [[TheEmpath his home was attacked and Uni was badly injured]]. He has no clue what happened.
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* Romano names his weapon Gladiolus. Gladiolus flowers symbolize strength, faithfulness, and honor; all things he aspires to be.
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Found a review that brought up some scary possibilities.
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* During the Atlas riots, the rich are being hunted by mobs. France orders Ruby to give Weiss her cloak so she can cover her hair. Of course France is the one who realizes exactly how much danger Weiss is in; he has first-hand experience with the people [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution targeting and executing the rich]].
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* During the Atlas riots, the rich are being hunted by mobs. France orders Ruby to give Weiss her cloak so she can cover her hair. Of course France is the one who realizes exactly how much danger Weiss is in; he has first-hand experience with the people [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution targeting and executing the rich]].rich]].
* One of the scariest implied parts of Salem's power is aptly summarized in one review:
--> '''Comment''':''"You know what's terrifying? All those things that everyone said is something someone would say in that group. It's something SOMEONE is thinking. Some of the emotions and words are their own, but others AREN'T. For example, the Relic of Creation loss? That's likely from Ozpin. Yet WEISS is the one angry that they lost it. Do you understand what I'm getting at? Salem not only can enhance the negative emotions and thoughts of people, but she can GIVE THEM OTHER PEOPLES' NEGATIVE EMOTIONS AND THOUGHTS. Even if you're calm, [[ParanoiaFuel YOU AREN'T SAFE]].\\
You can know yourself and understand/prepare for your emotions/thoughts to some extent when they are your own, but what about someone else's? You'd be completely unprepared to deal with their baggage. \\
Imagine if Ruby got Italy's fear, or Yang got Russia's madness. \\
Imagine if Canada got Penny's [[SociopathicHero selective sociopathy]].\\
Imagine if someone got the worst of America's depression at the exact wrong moment. \\
Imagine if England got ADAM'S hatred. Remnant would not stand a chance.\\
[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Holy.]] [[Series/TheGoodPlace Forking]]. [[PrecisionFStrike Sh-t.]] You just took emotion manipulation and made it 10,000x more terrifying."''
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* One of the scariest implied parts of Salem's power is aptly summarized in one review:
--> '''Comment''':''"You know what's terrifying? All those things that everyone said is something someone would say in that group. It's something SOMEONE is thinking. Some of the emotions and words are their own, but others AREN'T. For example, the Relic of Creation loss? That's likely from Ozpin. Yet WEISS is the one angry that they lost it. Do you understand what I'm getting at? Salem not only can enhance the negative emotions and thoughts of people, but she can GIVE THEM OTHER PEOPLES' NEGATIVE EMOTIONS AND THOUGHTS. Even if you're calm, [[ParanoiaFuel YOU AREN'T SAFE]].\\
You can know yourself and understand/prepare for your emotions/thoughts to some extent when they are your own, but what about someone else's? You'd be completely unprepared to deal with their baggage. \\
Imagine if Ruby got Italy's fear, or Yang got Russia's madness. \\
Imagine if Canada got Penny's [[SociopathicHero selective sociopathy]].\\
Imagine if someone got the worst of America's depression at the exact wrong moment. \\
Imagine if England got ADAM'S hatred. Remnant would not stand a chance.\\
[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Holy.]] [[Series/TheGoodPlace Forking]]. [[PrecisionFStrike Sh-t.]] You just took emotion manipulation and made it 10,000x more terrifying."''
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* Ozpin has to reincarnate until Salem is defeated. As long as there are humans, he will reincarnate. If Remnant falls and humanity is killed there, who's to say he won't reincarnate into a human on Earth? This is implied by England when he's warning Ozpin not to think of Earth as another "new solution".
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* Ozpin has to reincarnate until Salem is defeated. As long as there are humans, he will reincarnate. If Remnant falls and humanity is killed there, who's to say he won't reincarnate into a human on Earth? This is implied by England when he's warning Ozpin not to think of Earth as another "new solution".solution".
* During the Atlas riots, the rich are being hunted by mobs. France orders Ruby to give Weiss her cloak so she can cover her hair. Of course France is the one who realizes exactly how much danger Weiss is in; he has first-hand experience with the people [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution targeting and executing the rich]].
* During the Atlas riots, the rich are being hunted by mobs. France orders Ruby to give Weiss her cloak so she can cover her hair. Of course France is the one who realizes exactly how much danger Weiss is in; he has first-hand experience with the people [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution targeting and executing the rich]].
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* There is a double-meaning in Chapter Twenty's title, "Iron Heart". Someone with an iron heart is said to be cruel, heartless, cold, and unfeeling. Ironwood ''tries'' to be this (like Atlas wants) but in the end he follows his heart (and his morals) and turns against her and her doctrine. The [[Film/TheWizardOfOz Tin Man]] has a heart after all.
* The code to get through the Institute is "Prometheus." Not only does it fit with Atlas's Greek Myths naming theme, but Prometheus is known for his intelligence and for being the "champion" of humanity. It further shows how Atlas views herself.
* The code to get through the Institute is "Prometheus." Not only does it fit with Atlas's Greek Myths naming theme, but Prometheus is known for his intelligence and for being the "champion" of humanity. It further shows how Atlas views herself.
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* There is a double-meaning in Chapter Twenty's title, "Iron Heart". Someone with an iron heart is said to be cruel, heartless, cold, and unfeeling. Ironwood ''tries'' tries to be this (like Atlas wants) but in the end he follows his heart (and his morals) and turns against her and her doctrine. The [[Film/TheWizardOfOz Tin Man]] has a heart after all.
* The code to get through the Transformation Institute is "Prometheus." Not only does it fit with Atlas's Greek Myths naming theme, but Prometheus is known for his intelligence and for being the "champion" of humanity. It further shows how Atlas views herself.
* The code to get through the Transformation Institute is "Prometheus." Not only does it fit with Atlas's Greek Myths naming theme, but Prometheus is known for his intelligence and for being the "champion" of humanity. It further shows how Atlas views herself.
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* England gives Ruby a talisman meant to help her suppress [[SuperPoweredEvilSide Silver Eyes]]. The talisman is made from moonstone. Not only are Silver Eyes connected to Remnant's moon, but moonstone represents inner growth, strength, and helps suppress emotional instability and stress, (bringing calmness to its wearer). It's a good choice for preventing Silver Eyes, which are activated by outbursts of emotion like anger.
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* England gives Ruby a talisman meant to help her suppress [[SuperPoweredEvilSide Silver Eyes]]. The talisman is made from moonstone. Not only are Silver Eyes connected to Remnant's shattered moon, but moonstone represents inner growth, strength, and helps suppress emotional instability and stress, (bringing calmness to its wearer). It's a good choice for preventing Silver Eyes, which are activated by outbursts of emotion like anger.
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* It is implied America is willing to endure physical and verbal abuse if it makes his friends and family willing to keep him around. After everything he has gone through, his sense of self-worth is so low that rather than fight back against insults and violence [[DomesticAbuse perpetrated by a loved one]], he braces himself and will let the aggressors do what they want. He also often blames himself when things go wrong. It would be easy for certain types of people to take advantage of that mentality...
** This has become AscendedFridgeHorror. America does not fight back when Russia hurts him and tries to rationalize his attacker's actions. America refuses to fight back even though he can. It is implied he does not fight back because he thinks he deserves it.
* Ilia became badly ill. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which just so happens to be when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home because of the Belladonnas. Is ''this'' what happens when people lose their personification? If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale in a much darker light]].
** This has become AscendedFridgeHorror. America does not fight back when Russia hurts him and tries to rationalize his attacker's actions. America refuses to fight back even though he can. It is implied he does not fight back because he thinks he deserves it.
* Ilia became badly ill. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which just so happens to be when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home because of the Belladonnas. Is ''this'' what happens when people lose their personification? If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale in a much darker light]].
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* It is implied America is willing to endure physical and verbal abuse if it makes his friends and family willing to keep him around. After everything he has gone through, his sense of self-worth is so low that rather than fight back against insults and violence [[DomesticAbuse perpetrated by a loved one]], he braces himself and will let the aggressors do what they want. He also often blames himself when things go wrong. It would be easy for certain types of people to take advantage of that mentality...
** This has become AscendedFridgeHorror. America does not fight back when Russia hurts him and tries to rationalize his attacker's actions. America refuses to fight back even though he can. It is implied he does not fight back because he thinks he deserves it.
* Ilia became badlyill.ill between books. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which just so happens to be is also when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home because of the Belladonnas. Is ''this'' home. It is implied this illness is what happens when people lose their personification? personification. If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale in a much darker light]].
** This has become AscendedFridgeHorror. America does not fight back when Russia hurts him and tries to rationalize his attacker's actions.
* Ilia became badly
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* The way the sleazy man talks to and looks at America indicates he is a gang member looking for some muscle, a recruiter for a BandOfBrothels, an abductor working for a HumanTrafficking ring, or maybe a SerialKiller. Why else would he stare at America like he's trying to see through his clothes?
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* The way the sleazy man talks to and looks at America indicates he is a gang member looking for some muscle, a recruiter for a BandOfBrothels, an abductor working for a HumanTrafficking ring, or maybe a SerialKiller. Why else would he stare He stares at America like he's trying to see through his clothes?clothes.
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* It's not directly stated, but the guard at the park likely grabbed Canada because he initially thought [[IdenticalTwinMistake Canada was America.]]
* Among the terrible things that happens to prisoners, one of the Institute guards mentions a few having "one-on-one time with the guards". Did he mean they're randomly picked to be tortured or beaten by the guards (likely for their entertainment), or are prisoners used as [[SexSlave Sex Slaves]]?
* Among the terrible things that happens to prisoners, one of the Institute guards mentions a few having "one-on-one time with the guards". Did he mean they're randomly picked to be tortured or beaten by the guards (likely for their entertainment), or are prisoners used as [[SexSlave Sex Slaves]]?
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*Among the terrible things that happens to prisoners, one One of the Institute guards mentions a few Institute prisoners having "one-on-one time with the guards". Did he mean they're randomly picked to be tortured or beaten by the guards (likely for their entertainment), or are prisoners used as [[SexSlave Sex Slaves]]?{{SexSlave}}s?
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** Technically, Ironwood ''did'' everything Atlas said. He drugged America, stripped him, beat him, strangled him, and nearly shot him. Sure, it wasn't nearly as bad as Atlas made it seem but none of her claims are technically a lie. (Minus the death part. And America definitely fought back.) But there's another thing to consider. Did Atlas actually see the footage or were those things what ''she'' intended to do to America if she got hold of him?
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** Technically, Ironwood ''did'' everything Atlas said. He drugged America, stripped him, beat him, strangled him, and nearly shot him. Sure, it wasn't nearly as bad as Atlas made it seem but none of her claims are technically a lie. (Minus the death part. And America definitely fought back.) But there's another thing to consider. Did Atlas actually see the footage or were those things what that ''she'' intended to do to America if she got hold of him?
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** Even worse, it's implied some people went into the woods [[DrivenToSuicide intentionally]]. Which makes the citizens' decision to not see if America was okay more despicable. The citizens ''know'' people sometimes walk into the woods to [[DrivenToSuicide die]]. So when they see a distraught teenager in a hospital gown make a beeline towards the forest, what do they do? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Absolutely.]]''' '''[[HumansAreBastards Nothing.]]'''
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** Even worse, it's It's implied some people went into the woods [[DrivenToSuicide intentionally]]. Which makes the citizens' decision to not see if America was okay more despicable. The citizens ''know'' people sometimes walk into the woods to [[DrivenToSuicide die]]. So when they see a distraught teenager in a hospital gown make a beeline towards the forest, what do they do? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Absolutely.]]''' '''[[HumansAreBastards Nothing.]]'''
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* Ozpin has to reincarnate until Salem is defeated. As long as there are humans, he will reincarnate. So if If Remnant falls and humanity is killed there, who's to say he won't reincarnate into a human on Earth? This is practically stated implied by England when he's warning Ozpin not to think of Earth as another "new solution".
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* Roman's dialogue hints he was forced to discover his Semblance by Salem. "Forced" likely means made to fight swarms of Grimm at best, tortured until he unlocked it at worst.
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* Roman's dialogue hints he was forced to discover his Semblance by Salem. "Forced" likely means made to fight swarms of Grimm at best, tortured until he unlocked it at worst.worst.
* Ozpin has to reincarnate until Salem is defeated. As long as there are humans, he will reincarnate. So if Remnant falls and humanity is killed there, who's to say he won't reincarnate into a human on Earth? This is practically stated by England when he's warning Ozpin not to think of Earth as another "new solution".
* Ozpin has to reincarnate until Salem is defeated. As long as there are humans, he will reincarnate. So if Remnant falls and humanity is killed there, who's to say he won't reincarnate into a human on Earth? This is practically stated by England when he's warning Ozpin not to think of Earth as another "new solution".
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** This has become AscendedFridgeHorror. America does not fight back when Russia hurts him and tries to rationalize his attacker's actions. America refuses to fight back even though he can. It is implied he does not fight back because he thinks he deserves it.
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* England gives Ruby a talisman meant to help her suppress [[SuperPoweredEvilSide Silver Eyes]]. The talisman is made from moonstone. Not only are Silver Eyes connected to Remnant's moon, but moonstone represents inner growth, strength, and helps suppress emotional instability and stress, (bringing calmness to its wearer). It's a good choice for preventing Silver Eyes, which are activated by outbursts of emotion like anger.
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* After America makes a deal with Ironwood in order to keep Canada safe, he tells Canada he made said deal. Canada questions what America had to offer in exchange for his safety, and America says "What do you think?" Canada's skin goes white and his eyes flick down America's body as he begs America to tell him he "didn't." America goes on to explain he offered his organs and Canada briefly relaxes before tensing up again, demanding clarification. America obliges and asks what Canada thought he meant. It's implied Canada thought America offered his body in a [[SexualExtortion different]] [[ScarpiaUltimatum way.]]
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* After America makes a deal with Ironwood in order to keep Canada safe, he tells Canada he made said deal. Canada questions what Ironwood could want from America had to offer in exchange for his Canada's safety, and America says "What do you think?" Canada's skin goes white and his eyes flick down America's body as he begs America to tell him he "didn't." America goes on to explain he offered his organs and Canada briefly relaxes before tensing up again, demanding clarification. America obliges and asks what Canada thought he meant. It's implied Canada thought America offered was forced to offer his body in a [[SexualExtortion different]] [[ScarpiaUltimatum way.]]
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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Keep in mind: Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would probably encourage or even order such behavior.
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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Keep in mind: Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would probably encourage or even order such behavior.
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** Even worse, it's implied some people went into the woods [[DrivenToSuicide intentionally]]. Which makes the citizens' decision to not see if America was okay even more despicable.
** This needs some elaboration. The citizens ''know'' people sometimes walk into the woods to [[DrivenToSuicide die]]. So when they see a distraught teenager in a hospital gown make a beeline towards the forest, what do they do? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Absolutely.]]''' '''[[HumansAreBastards Nothing.]]'''
** This needs some elaboration. The citizens ''know'' people sometimes walk into the woods to [[DrivenToSuicide die]]. So when they see a distraught teenager in a hospital gown make a beeline towards the forest, what do they do? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Absolutely.]]''' '''[[HumansAreBastards Nothing.]]'''
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** Even worse, it's implied some people went into the woods [[DrivenToSuicide intentionally]]. Which makes the citizens' decision to not see if America was okay even more despicable.
** This needs some elaboration.despicable. The citizens ''know'' people sometimes walk into the woods to [[DrivenToSuicide die]]. So when they see a distraught teenager in a hospital gown make a beeline towards the forest, what do they do? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Absolutely.]]''' '''[[HumansAreBastards Nothing.]]'''
** This needs some elaboration.
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--> '''Salem''': We have Knowledge and Destruction. With them, it may be possible to kill what is thought to be unkillable.unkillable.
* Roman's dialogue hints he was forced to discover his Semblance by Salem. "Forced" likely means made to fight swarms of Grimm at best, tortured until he unlocked it at worst.
* Roman's dialogue hints he was forced to discover his Semblance by Salem. "Forced" likely means made to fight swarms of Grimm at best, tortured until he unlocked it at worst.
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* A majority of the Grimm on Earth are Beowolves and Ursa. Not only are these Grimm the most common and easiest to produce, but normal people may mistake them for their mundane animal counterparts. This helps Salem maintain TheMasquerade, which keeps Earth's public from discovering her and potentially uniting against her.
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* There is a double-meaning in Chapter Twenty’s title, "Iron Heart". Someone with an iron heart is said to be cruel, heartless, cold, and unfeeling. Ironwood ''tries'' to be this (like Atlas wants) but in the end he follows his heart (and his morals) and turns against her and her doctrine. The [[Film/TheWizardOfOz Tin Man]] has a heart after all.
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* There is a double-meaning in Chapter Twenty’s Twenty's title, "Iron Heart". Someone with an iron heart is said to be cruel, heartless, cold, and unfeeling. Ironwood ''tries'' to be this (like Atlas wants) but in the end he follows his heart (and his morals) and turns against her and her doctrine. The [[Film/TheWizardOfOz Tin Man]] has a heart after all.
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* Throughout the series, hits to the head cause characters to become disoriented despite the existence of Aura. At first it appears to be FridgeLogic, but then Winter falls unconscious when her head smacks into the stone floor. It isn't a convenience: the head is a ''weak point'' in Aura's defense.
** It makes even more sense when you consider that Aura may be a "force field", but that external shield doesn't stop their brains from bouncing against their skulls. It's that jostling that often causes concussions.
** It makes even more sense when you consider that Aura may be a "force field", but that external shield doesn't stop their brains from bouncing against their skulls. It's that jostling that often causes concussions.
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* Ilia became badly ill. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which just so happens to be when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home because of the Belladonnas. ''Is this what happens when people lose their personification?'' If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale in a much darker light]].
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* Ilia became badly ill. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which just so happens to be when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home because of the Belladonnas. ''Is this Is ''this'' what happens when people lose their personification?'' personification? If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale in a much darker light]].
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* After America makes a deal with Ironwood in order to keep Canada safe, he tells Canada he made said deal. Canada questions what America had to offer in exchange for his safety, and America says "What do you think?" Canada's skin goes white and his eyes flick down America's body as he begs America to tell him he "didn't." America goes on to explain he offered his organs and Canada briefly relaxes before tensing up again, demanding clarification. America obliges and asks what Canada thought he meant. It's pretty clear Canada thought America offered his body in a [[SexualExtortion different]] [[ScarpiaUltimatum way.]]
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* After America makes a deal with Ironwood in order to keep Canada safe, he tells Canada he made said deal. Canada questions what America had to offer in exchange for his safety, and America says "What do you think?" Canada's skin goes white and his eyes flick down America's body as he begs America to tell him he "didn't." America goes on to explain he offered his organs and Canada briefly relaxes before tensing up again, demanding clarification. America obliges and asks what Canada thought he meant. It's pretty clear implied Canada thought America offered his body in a [[SexualExtortion different]] [[ScarpiaUltimatum way.]]
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* Throughout the series, hits to the head cause characters to become disoriented despite the existence of Aura. At first it appears to be FridgeLogic, but then Winter falls unconscious when her head smacks into the stone floor. It isn't a convenience: the head is a ''weak point'' in Aura's defense.
** It makes even more sense when you consider that Aura may be a "force field", but that external shield doesn't stop their brains from bouncing against their skulls. It's that jostling that often causes concussions.
** It makes even more sense when you consider that Aura may be a "force field", but that external shield doesn't stop their brains from bouncing against their skulls. It's that jostling that often causes concussions.
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** Others who saw the footage do not have America's explanation of what really happened.
* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they don't step in to stop someone from going in there and hardly care when a missing person is found?
* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they don't step in to stop someone from going in there and hardly care when a missing person is found?
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** Others who saw the footage [[ConvictedByPublicOpinion do not have America's explanation of what really happened.
happened]].
* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest around Frontier with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they don't step in to stop someone from going in there and hardly care when a missing person is found?
* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest around Frontier with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they don't step in to stop someone from going in there and hardly care when a missing person is found?
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* America and Winter are separated by Ironwood. Ironwood strips America to search him for tech. Ironwood has a HeelFaceTurn and America defeats him at [[ZeroApprovalGambit his behest.]] America then puts his clothes back on and lets Winter into the room. He is noticeably disheveled and bloody. She stares at him and he realizes his shirt is inside out. He fixes his shirt and [[note]] because of his promise to not tell Winter the truth [[/note]] refuses to tell Winter what happened in a clipped tone. Winter then glares at an unconscious Ironwood with an unreadable expression. She already knows Ironwood did terrible things and is likely questioning how far he will go, so who's to say she doesn't think he [[AttemptedRape attempted to rape]] America?
** It's more likely she thought Ironwood [[ColdBloodedTorture violently interrogated]] America, which is another grievous violation of human rights. Remember that Winter looked up to Ironwood [[BrokenPedestal until she found out what he did]], and that was the first time she saw Ironwood's cruelty firsthand.
** It's more likely she thought Ironwood [[ColdBloodedTorture violently interrogated]] America, which is another grievous violation of human rights. Remember that Winter looked up to Ironwood [[BrokenPedestal until she found out what he did]], and that was the first time she saw Ironwood's cruelty firsthand.
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I found a comment that seemed appropriate.
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** The author [[https://archiveofourown.org/comments/184584653 stated]] she doesn't have a specific "occupation" in mind for the man and is leaving it to the readers to fill in the blanks when it comes to his intentions. [[SarcasmMode Thanks, Skyleaf.]]
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* Ilia became badly ill. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which just so happens to be when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home because of the Belladonnas. ''Is this what happens when people lose their personification?'' If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale]] [[WhatTheHellHero in a much darker light]].
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* Ilia became badly ill. She collapsed with white skin and violet eyes (like Canada's), becoming feverish and babbling about being cold. This happened right after the Haven fight, which just so happens to be when Canada's connection with Mantle's people was severed. Ilia was originally from Mantle but now sees Menagerie as her home because of the Belladonnas. ''Is this what happens when people lose their personification?'' If so, it puts England's [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide intentions for Vale]] [[WhatTheHellHero Vale in a much darker light]].
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* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they [[WhatTheHellTownspeople don't step in to stop someone from going in there]] and hardly care when a missing person is found?
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* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they [[WhatTheHellTownspeople don't step in to stop someone from going in there]] there and hardly care when a missing person is found?
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* The nurse and staff at the hospital are implied to think that America went to the woods with the [[MistakenForSuicidal intention to die]]. Why else would the nurse insist on restraining him to the bed like suicidal patients are? It's a good thing England stopped that nonsense.
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* The nurse and staff at the hospital are implied to think that America went to the woods with the [[MistakenForSuicidal intention to die]]. Why else would the nurse insist on restraining him to the bed like suicidal patients are? It's a good thing England stopped that nonsense.nonsense.
* It's implied the Relic of Destruction can kill anything permanently, [[ImmortalBreaker even a nation of Earth.]]
--> '''Salem''': We have Knowledge and Destruction. With them, it may be possible to kill what is thought to be unkillable.
* It's implied the Relic of Destruction can kill anything permanently, [[ImmortalBreaker even a nation of Earth.]]
--> '''Salem''': We have Knowledge and Destruction. With them, it may be possible to kill what is thought to be unkillable.
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** This needs some elaboration. The citizens ''know'' people sometimes walk into the woods to [[DrivenToSuicide die]]. So when they see a distraught teenager in a hospital gown make a beeline towards the forest, what do they do? '''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis Absolutely.]]''' '''[[HumansAreBastards Nothing.]]'''
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** Even worse, it's implied some people went into the woods [[DrivenToSuicide intentionally]]. Which makes the citizens' decision to not see if America was okay even more despicable.
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** Others who saw the footage do not have America's explanation of what really happened...happened.
* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they [[WhatTheHellTownspeople don't step in to stop someone from going in there]] and hardly care when a missing person is found?
* The nurse and staff at the hospital are implied to think that America went to the woods with the [[MistakenForSuicidal intention to die]]. Why else would the nurse insist on restraining him to the bed like suicidal patients are? It's a good thing England stopped that nonsense.
* After the searchers return from the Grimm-filled forest with America, one of the citizens says "At least they found this one." How many people have disappeared in those woods? How apathetic are these people that they [[WhatTheHellTownspeople don't step in to stop someone from going in there]] and hardly care when a missing person is found?
* The nurse and staff at the hospital are implied to think that America went to the woods with the [[MistakenForSuicidal intention to die]]. Why else would the nurse insist on restraining him to the bed like suicidal patients are? It's a good thing England stopped that nonsense.
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* The [[{{Sadist}} ex-soldier]] seems pretty [[SexIsViolence turned on]] by America's pain. Who's to say he won't take things [[RapeAsDrama further]] in order to break his captive?
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* The [[{{Sadist}} ex-soldier]] seems pretty [[SexIsViolence turned on]] by America's pain. Who's to say he won't take things [[RapeAsDrama [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil further]] in order to break his captive?
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* Throughout the series, hits to the head cause characters to become disorientated despite the existence of Aura. At first it appears to be FridgeLogic, but then Winter falls unconscious when her head smacks into the stone floor. It isn't a convenience: the head is a ''weak point'' in Aura's defense.
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* Throughout the series, hits to the head cause characters to become disorientated disoriented despite the existence of Aura. At first it appears to be FridgeLogic, but then Winter falls unconscious when her head smacks into the stone floor. It isn't a convenience: the head is a ''weak point'' in Aura's defense.
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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Keep in mind: Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would probably encourage or even order such behavior.
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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Keep in mind: Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would probably encourage or even order such behavior.behavior.
** Others who saw the footage do not have America's explanation of what really happened...
** Others who saw the footage do not have America's explanation of what really happened...
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Removing unapproved YMMV
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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Keep in mind: Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would [[CompleteMonster probably encourage or even order]] such behavior.
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* When America is hesitant to tell his brothers what Ironwood did to him, Canada says that it cannot be worse than what he is imagining. Canada saw footage of Ironwood [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything drugging his brother, laying him on a table, and stripping him]] before the recording abruptly cut off. It's not hard to imagine what Canada [[AdultFear feared]] might have [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil happened]] after the screen went black. Keep in mind: Canada doesn't have America's [[HeelFaceTurn insight]] and only knows Ironwood as a vile tyrant who captured the twins, took part in terrible atrocities, and approved of the Transformation Institute. Not to mention Ironwood's personification would [[CompleteMonster probably encourage or even order]] order such behavior.