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** Sieglinde is crying while having sex with him. One would think that she's crying due to having to rely on a sadist to satisfy her (since Siegmund is gay), but she herself is a hardened killer and likely wouldn't cry that much over having to screw another hardened killer. Instead, she's crying because she's sunk so low as to have sex with an underage boy.
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** Sankt noted that he had to amass his panzermench until he had enough for a decisive blow. Throwing small units at the Allies would have proven ineffective even given their powers. The Allies tried this with their own Uber forces and it goes pretty much how Sankt predicted it would.
** Heavy Tankmen are vulnerable [[spoiler: to knee injuries]]. Stands to reason that a Heavy Battleship would share a similar weakness. [[spoiler: We see a pair of Cruisers specializing in the Halo effect repeatedly attack Leah's legs until one of them gave way. Apparently they learned from the time this tactic was used against their own forces.]]
** In retrospect, Markus' true age has been heavily hinted at:
*** The scenes of him as a young child seem to take place once Hitler's taken power, meaning it must be mid/late 1930s.
*** He doesn't seem to acknowledge any hardships in his youth, implying he wasn't old enough to remember the immediate post-World war I period or the instability of the 1920s.
*** He shows no signs of actually serving in the armed forces, given his personality and WarIsGlorious Mindset in the dying days of WWII.
*** He's regularly referred to as a "Boy", which might have just referred to his youth, instead of ''actually'' being a teenager.
*** He's got no real understanding of tactics or fighting, which would further show his youth and inexperience. When he does fight he relies on trying to overwhelm his opponents or tries to be as sadistic as possible.
*** High Command's unwillingness to send him into major battles would also reflect his inexperience: he's a liability, not an asset at times.
*** He's Hitler's favorite of the Battleships, and Hitler was allegedly friendly with children.
*** Sieglinde is crying while having sex with him. One would think that she's crying due to having to rely on a sadist to satisfy her (since Siegmund is gay), but she herself is a hardened killer and likely wouldn't cry that much over having to screw another hardened killer. Instead, she's crying because she's sunk so low as to have sex with an underage boy.
*** And of course, his name, Markus Jung. "Jung" directly translates to "young" in English. Kinda on the nose, in retrospect.
** Scheele mentions that she met pre-battleship Siegmund “in the theatres” before the war. But Siegmund is not who everyone thinks he is. He’s an unnamed Stalingrad veteran. That means Scheele likely is the only other cast member who knows Siegmund’s real name.

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* !! FridgeBrilliance:
** * Sankt noted that he had to amass his panzermench until he had enough for a decisive blow. Throwing small units at the Allies would have proven ineffective even given their powers. The Allies tried this with their own Uber forces and it goes pretty much how Sankt predicted it would.
** * Heavy Tankmen are vulnerable [[spoiler: to knee injuries]]. Stands to reason that a Heavy Battleship would share a similar weakness. [[spoiler: We see a pair of Cruisers specializing in the Halo effect repeatedly attack Leah's legs until one of them gave way. Apparently they learned from the time this tactic was used against their own forces.]]
** * In retrospect, Markus' true age has been heavily hinted at:
*** ** The scenes of him as a young child seem to take place once Hitler's taken power, meaning it must be mid/late 1930s.
*** ** He doesn't seem to acknowledge any hardships in his youth, implying he wasn't old enough to remember the immediate post-World war I period or the instability of the 1920s.
*** ** He shows no signs of actually serving in the armed forces, given his personality and WarIsGlorious Mindset in the dying days of WWII.
*** ** He's regularly referred to as a "Boy", which might have just referred to his youth, instead of ''actually'' being a teenager.
*** ** He's got no real understanding of tactics or fighting, which would further show his youth and inexperience. When he does fight he relies on trying to overwhelm his opponents or tries to be as sadistic as possible.
*** ** High Command's unwillingness to send him into major battles would also reflect his inexperience: he's a liability, not an asset at times.
*** ** He's Hitler's favorite of the Battleships, and Hitler was allegedly friendly with children.
*** ** Sieglinde is crying while having sex with him. One would think that she's crying due to having to rely on a sadist to satisfy her (since Siegmund is gay), but she herself is a hardened killer and likely wouldn't cry that much over having to screw another hardened killer. Instead, she's crying because she's sunk so low as to have sex with an underage boy.
*** ** And of course, his name, Markus Jung. "Jung" directly translates to "young" in English. Kinda on the nose, in retrospect.
** * Scheele mentions that she met pre-battleship Siegmund “in the theatres” before the war. But Siegmund is not who everyone thinks he is. He’s an unnamed Stalingrad veteran. That means Scheele likely is the only other cast member who knows Siegmund’s real name.



* FridgeHorror:
** Just think about what life will be like for the Ubers in peacetime, whoever wins the war. How can they ever live normal lives again? They'll be hated and feared as freaks, and can never have a physical relationship with a normal human ([[ManOfSteelWomanOfKleenex sex with a superhuman would be rapidly lethal for anyone without super-durability]]). The series explicitly states that ordinary medicine is almost useless for treating injured Ubers. Any time they get angry, they could destroy whole towns and slaughter thousands... and what happens when one of them turns to crime?
*** They're still stuck eating the high-energy paste for the rest of their lives, need regular downtime... it seems likely that, Maria excepted, most of them will live on a leash by their very nature, if normally not a very tight one.
** Also, the horrendously gory deaths suffered by any normal soldiers who go up against Ubers? Those deaths actually happened, on a massive scale, in WWII, except that they were caused by artillery and tank fire rather than matter-disrupting energy beams.
*** Later material seems to indicate that normal tank ubers, at least, can engage in physical relationships. Battleships seem to not be the case.
** We haven't seen much mention of the Holocaust in the series, either by the characters (other than Leah Cohen, for obvious reasons) or by the retrospective narration. Either a resurgent Germany managed to fully realize the exterminations to the point where nobody really knows about it, or shit is gonna get so bad, the murder of 12 million people is going to be considered a mere footnote.
** And if it is the latter reason... just how many are going die in the Nazi Invasion of [[spoiler: the US]]?
*** ''Uber: Invasion'' gave the answer to that. [[spoiler:Boston, New York and Washington D.C. get absolutely destroyed, and among the casualties include ''President Truman'']].

* FridgeLogic:
** If Geltmensch's powers don't work in images such as recordings and photos, do they work in reflections? Otherwise they'd be discovered very quickly.
*** It should work perfectly fine with mirrors and people around them observing the mirrors. The only reason photographs, recordings and, CC television reveals them is because the Geltmenschs' illusions are based on PsychicPowers. They can't fool things that don't have minds since they aren't actually altering their physical forms or light in anyway, just how people perceive them. Psychic Illusions being unable to influence things that lack minds is a common trope.

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* !! FridgeHorror:
** * Just think about what life will be like for the Ubers in peacetime, whoever wins the war. How can they ever live normal lives again? They'll be hated and feared as freaks, and can never have a physical relationship with a normal human ([[ManOfSteelWomanOfKleenex sex with a superhuman would be rapidly lethal for anyone without super-durability]]). The series explicitly states that ordinary medicine is almost useless for treating injured Ubers. Any time they get angry, they could destroy whole towns and slaughter thousands... and what happens when one of them turns to crime?
*** ** They're still stuck eating the high-energy paste for the rest of their lives, need regular downtime... it seems likely that, Maria excepted, most of them will live on a leash by their very nature, if normally not a very tight one.
** * Also, the horrendously gory deaths suffered by any normal soldiers who go up against Ubers? Those deaths actually happened, on a massive scale, in WWII, except that they were caused by artillery and tank fire rather than matter-disrupting energy beams.
*** ** Later material seems to indicate that normal tank ubers, at least, can engage in physical relationships. Battleships seem to not be the case.
** * We haven't seen much mention of the Holocaust in the series, either by the characters (other than Leah Cohen, for obvious reasons) or by the retrospective narration. Either a resurgent Germany managed to fully realize the exterminations to the point where nobody really knows about it, or shit is gonna get so bad, the murder of 12 million people is going to be considered a mere footnote.
** * And if it is the latter reason... just how many are going die in the Nazi Invasion of [[spoiler: the US]]?
*** ** ''Uber: Invasion'' gave the answer to that. [[spoiler:Boston, New York and Washington D.C. get absolutely destroyed, and among the casualties include ''President Truman'']].

* !! FridgeLogic:
** * If Geltmensch's powers don't work in images such as recordings and photos, do they work in reflections? Otherwise they'd be discovered very quickly.
*** ** It should work perfectly fine with mirrors and people around them observing the mirrors. The only reason photographs, recordings and, CC television reveals them is because the Geltmenschs' illusions are based on PsychicPowers. They can't fool things that don't have minds since they aren't actually altering their physical forms or light in anyway, just how people perceive them. Psychic Illusions being unable to influence things that lack minds is a common trope.
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* In the issue where a Geltmensch sabotages the entirety of the Manhattan project, the story treats her as being able to assume the form of anyone but the illustration still shows her in her true form. This may seem like a stylistic choice at first, but it's a hint of the fact that Geltmenschs can't actually shapeshift and can only mess with the perception of those around them.

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* In the issue where a Geltmensch sabotages the entirety of the Manhattan project, Project, the story treats her as being able to assume the form of anyone but while the illustration still shows her in her true form. This may seem like a stylistic choice at first, but it's a hint of the fact that Geltmenschs can't actually shapeshift and can only mess with the perception of those around them.
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* In the issue where a Geltmensch sabotages the entirety of the Manhattan project, the story treats her as being able to assume the form of anyone but the illustration still shows her in her true form. This may seem like a stylistic choice at first, but it's a hint of the fact that Geltmenschs can't actually shapeshift and can only mess with the perception of those around them.
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*** Sieglinde is crying while having sex with him. One would think that she's crying about having to rely on a sadist to satisfy her (since Siegmund is gay), but that likely wouldn't be enough to make her cry out of shame. Instead, she's crying because she's sunk so low as to have sex with an underaged boy.

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*** Sieglinde is crying while having sex with him. One would think that she's crying about due to having to rely on a sadist to satisfy her (since Siegmund is gay), but that she herself is a hardened killer and likely wouldn't be enough to make her cry out of shame. that much over having to screw another hardened killer. Instead, she's crying because she's sunk so low as to have sex with an underaged underage boy.
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*** Sieglinde is crying while having sex with him. One would think that she's crying about having to rely on a sadist to satisfy her (since Siegmund is gay), but that likely wouldn't be enough to make her cry out of shame. Instead, she's crying because she's sunk so low as to have sex with an underaged boy.
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*** And of course, his name, Markus Jung. "Jung" directly translates to "young" in German.

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*** And of course, his name, Markus Jung. "Jung" directly translates to "young" in German.English. Kinda on the nose, in retrospect.
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*** And of course, his name, Markus Jung. "Jung" directly translates to "young" in German.

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** Scheele mentions that she met pre-battleship Siegmund “in the theatres” before the war. But Siegmund is not who everyone thinks he is. He’s an unnamed Stalingrad veteran. That means Scheele likely is the only other cast member who knows Siegmund’s real name.

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** In retrospect, Markus' true age has been heavily hinted at:
*** The scenes of him as a young child seem to take place once Hitler's taken power, meaning it must be mid/late 1930s.
*** He doesn't seem to acknowledge any hardships in his youth, implying he wasn't old enough to remember the immediate post-World war I period or the instability of the 1920s.
*** He shows no signs of actually serving in the armed forces, given his personality and WarIsGlorious Mindset in the dying days of WWII.
*** He's regularly referred to as a "Boy", which might have just referred to his youth, instead of ''actually'' being a teenager.
*** He's got no real understanding of tactics or fighting, which would further show his youth and inexperience. When he does fight he relies on trying to overwhelm his opponents or tries to be as sadistic as possible.
*** High Command's unwillingness to send him into major battles would also reflect his inexperience: he's a liability, not an asset at times.
*** He's Hitler's favorite of the Battleships, and Hitler was allegedly friendly with children.
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*** ''Uber: Invasion'' gave the answer to that. [[spoiler:Boston, New York and Washington D.C. get absolutely destroyed, and among the casualties include ''President Truman'']].

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* FridgeHorror: Just think about what life will be like for the Ubers in peacetime, whoever wins the war. How can they ever live normal lives again? They'll be hated and feared as freaks, and can never have a physical relationship with a normal human (sex with a superhuman would be rapidly lethal for anyone without super-durability). The series explicitly states that ordinary medicine is almost useless for treating injured Ubers. Any time they get angry, they could destroy whole towns and slaughter thousands...and what happens when one of them turns to crime?
** They're still stuck eating the high-energy paste for the rest of their lives, need regular downtime... it seems likely that, Maria excepted, most of them will live on a leash by their very nature, if normally not a very tight one.

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* FridgeHorror: FridgeHorror:
**
Just think about what life will be like for the Ubers in peacetime, whoever wins the war. How can they ever live normal lives again? They'll be hated and feared as freaks, and can never have a physical relationship with a normal human (sex ([[ManOfSteelWomanOfKleenex sex with a superhuman would be rapidly lethal for anyone without super-durability).super-durability]]). The series explicitly states that ordinary medicine is almost useless for treating injured Ubers. Any time they get angry, they could destroy whole towns and slaughter thousands... and what happens when one of them turns to crime?
** *** They're still stuck eating the high-energy paste for the rest of their lives, need regular downtime... it seems likely that, Maria excepted, most of them will live on a leash by their very nature, if normally not a very tight one.



** Later material seems to indicate that normal tank ubers, at least, can engage in physical relationships. Battleships seem to not be the case.
* FridgeHorror. We aint seen much mention of the holocaust in the series. Either by the characters or by the retrospective narration. Either a resurgent Germany managed to fully realize the exterminations to the point where nobody really knows about it.....or shit is gonna get so bad the murder of 12 million people is going to be considered a mere footnote.
** And if it is the latter reason...just how many are going die in the Nazi Invasion of [[spoiler: the US]]?
* FridgeLogic: If Geltmensch's power don't work in images such as recordings and photos, do they work in reflections? Otherwise they'd be discovered very quickly.
** It should work perfectly fine with mirrors and people around them observing the mirrors. The only reason photographs, recordings and, CC television reveals them is because the Geltmenschs' illusions are based on PsychicPowers. They can't fool things that don't have minds since they aren't actually altering their physical forms or light in anyway, just how people perceive them. Psychic Illusions being unable to influence things that lack minds is a common trope.

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** *** Later material seems to indicate that normal tank ubers, at least, can engage in physical relationships. Battleships seem to not be the case.
* FridgeHorror. ** We aint haven't seen much mention of the holocaust Holocaust in the series. Either series, either by the characters (other than Leah Cohen, for obvious reasons) or by the retrospective narration. Either a resurgent Germany managed to fully realize the exterminations to the point where nobody really knows about it.....it, or shit is gonna get so bad bad, the murder of 12 million people is going to be considered a mere footnote.
** And if it is the latter reason... just how many are going die in the Nazi Invasion of [[spoiler: the US]]?
US]]?

* FridgeLogic: FridgeLogic:
**
If Geltmensch's power powers don't work in images such as recordings and photos, do they work in reflections? Otherwise they'd be discovered very quickly.
** *** It should work perfectly fine with mirrors and people around them observing the mirrors. The only reason photographs, recordings and, CC television reveals them is because the Geltmenschs' illusions are based on PsychicPowers. They can't fool things that don't have minds since they aren't actually altering their physical forms or light in anyway, just how people perceive them. Psychic Illusions being unable to influence things that lack minds is a common trope.
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* FridgeLogic: If Geltmensch's power don't work in images such as recordings and photos, do they work in reflections? Otherwise they'd be discovered very quickly.

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* FridgeLogic: If Geltmensch's power don't work in images such as recordings and photos, do they work in reflections? Otherwise they'd be discovered very quickly.quickly.
** It should work perfectly fine with mirrors and people around them observing the mirrors. The only reason photographs, recordings and, CC television reveals them is because the Geltmenschs' illusions are based on PsychicPowers. They can't fool things that don't have minds since they aren't actually altering their physical forms or light in anyway, just how people perceive them. Psychic Illusions being unable to influence things that lack minds is a common trope.
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** Sankt noted that he had to amass his panzermench until he had enough for a decisive blow. Throwing small units at the Allies would have proven ineffective even given their powers. The Allies tried this with their own Uber forces and it goes pretty much how Sankt predicted it would.
** Heavy Tankmen are vulnerable [[spoiler: to knee injuries]]. Stands to reason that a Heavy Battleship would share a similar weakness. [[spoiler: We see a pair of Cruisers specializing in the Halo effect repeatedly attack Leah's legs until one of them gave way. Apparently they learned from the time this tactic was used against their own forces.]]
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* FridgeHorror. We aint seen much mention of the holocaust in the series. Either by the characters or by the retrospective narration. Either a resurgent Germany managed to fully realize the exterminations to the point where nobody really knows about it.....or shit is gonna get so bad the murder of 12 million people is going to be considered a mere footnote.
** And if it is the latter reason...just how many are going die in the Nazi Invasion of [[spoiler: the US]]?
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** Later material seems to indicate that normal tank ubers, at least, can engage in physical relationships. Battleships seem to not be the case.
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** Also, the horrendously gory deaths suffered by any normal soldiers who go up against Ubers? Those deaths actually happened, on a massive scale, in WWII, except that they were caused by artillery and tank fire rather than matter-disrupting energy beams.

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** Also, the horrendously gory deaths suffered by any normal soldiers who go up against Ubers? Those deaths actually happened, on a massive scale, in WWII, except that they were caused by artillery and tank fire rather than matter-disrupting energy beams.beams.
* FridgeLogic: If Geltmensch's power don't work in images such as recordings and photos, do they work in reflections? Otherwise they'd be discovered very quickly.
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** They're still stuck eating the high-energy paste for the rest of their lives, need regular downtime... it seems likely that, Maria excepted, most of them will live on a leash by their very nature, if normally not a very tight one.
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Added DiffLines:

* FridgeHorror: Just think about what life will be like for the Ubers in peacetime, whoever wins the war. How can they ever live normal lives again? They'll be hated and feared as freaks, and can never have a physical relationship with a normal human (sex with a superhuman would be rapidly lethal for anyone without super-durability). The series explicitly states that ordinary medicine is almost useless for treating injured Ubers. Any time they get angry, they could destroy whole towns and slaughter thousands...and what happens when one of them turns to crime?
** Also, the horrendously gory deaths suffered by any normal soldiers who go up against Ubers? Those deaths actually happened, on a massive scale, in WWII, except that they were caused by artillery and tank fire rather than matter-disrupting energy beams.

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