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* Rearrange the letters in "Torchwood" and you get...[[spoiler: [[DoctorWho Doctor Who]]]].
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* Gwen speech from "Children Of Earth" theorizing the Doctor hasn't shown up because he ashamed of the [[HumansAreBastards humans action]]. Letting millions of children be used as drugs seems rather out of character for The Doctor no matter how mad he is, until you relies Gwen doesn't really know the Doctor aside from the man who occasionally save the world, so it makes sense that she might think that even though Doctor Who fans who watched him years would disagree.

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* Gwen speech from "Children Of Earth" theorizing the Doctor hasn't shown up because he ashamed of the [[HumansAreBastards humans action]]. Letting millions of children be used as drugs seems rather out of character for The Doctor no matter how mad he is, until you relies Gwen doesn't really know the Doctor aside from the man who occasionally save the world, so it makes sense that she might think that even though Doctor Who fans who watched him years would disagree.
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* A minor case of brilliance, but for anyone wondering why the entire Torchwood team is bisexual, remember - they were all recruited by ''Captain Jack Harkness''. It's hardly surprising that he'd add 'bisexual' to his list of criteria for a good team member.

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** He wasn't the only living specimen in cold storage, either: there were several people who were put in suspended animation because they were mutating into monsters that ''[[SealedEvilInACan couldn't otherwise be contained]]''.



*** WordOfGod says that the Master caused an avalanche, but that the team survived and managed to crawl back to basecamp. What happened after they got back to Cardiff, however, ''was'' undoubtedly horrific.

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*** WordOfGod says that the Master caused an avalanche, but that the team survived and managed to crawl back to basecamp. What happened after once they got back ''back'' to Cardiff, however, ''was'' was undoubtedly horrific.[[ThePurge horrific]]....
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* In ''Series/DoctorWho The End of Time'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried. There's already Fridge Horror there in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being'' dead once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]; it gets worse when you remember that [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]]

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* In ''Series/DoctorWho The End of Time'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried. There's already Fridge Horror there in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being'' dead once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]; it gets worse when you remember that [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]]]]
* In "Out of the Rain", there was a circus group who was stealing the breaths of people to add to their audience and the only way to restore the victims back was to get the vial. Near the ending scene, the villain tosses the bottle, killing off everybody except a child. While it sounds like a happy ending, keep in mind that those killed included that said child's entire family. [[SarcasmMode Enjoy life as an orphan!]]
** Made worse that they mentioned they didn't completely wipe out the threat either.
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** Plausible, however there were more casualties than the original Jack Harkness. But then again original Jack's death would rarely be a fixed point in te so the cause of death could be the afformentioned hate crime.

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** Plausible, **Plausible, however there were more casualties than the original Jack Harkness. But then again it would be rare for an event such as original Jack's death would rarely death to be a fixed point in te so the cause of death could be the afformentioned hate crime.
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**Plausible, however there were more casualties than the original Jack Harkness. But then again original Jack's death would rarely be a fixed point in te so the cause of death could be the afformentioned hate crime.
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* Lots of people hate "Countrycide". Me, I didn't, but only because I realized it was making a not so subtle point: ''At times, human bastardry is far more freaky and twisted than any alien presence could be.'' True, it is disappointing there was no alien presence at all, but when Jack just wanted to kill them all (correctly, knowing they were sick sociopaths far more twisted than an alien threat) and Gwen (naively, in a case of WrongGenreSavvy, thinking they just had a BlueAndOrangeMorality she wanted to understand) tried to figure them out, I realized RTD was basically foreshadowing the true horror we humans can be capable of in ChildrenOfEarth and MiracleDay. - Rpgingmaster

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* Lots of people hate "Countrycide". Me, I didn't, but only because I realized it was making a not so subtle point: ''At times, human bastardry is far more freaky and twisted than any alien presence could be.'' True, it is disappointing there was no alien presence at all, but when Jack just wanted to kill them all (correctly, knowing they were sick sociopaths far more twisted than an alien threat) and Gwen (naively, in a case of WrongGenreSavvy, thinking they just had a BlueAndOrangeMorality she wanted to understand) tried to figure them out, I realized RTD was basically foreshadowing the true horror we humans can be capable of in ChildrenOfEarth ''[[Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth Children of Earth]]'' and MiracleDay. - Rpgingmaster
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* Gwen speech from "Children Of Earth" theorizing the Doctor hasn't shown up because he ashamed of the [[HumansAreBastards humans action]]. Letting millions of children be used as drugs seems rather out of character for The Doctor no matter how mad he is, until you relies Gwen doesn't really know the Doctor aside from the man who occasionally save the world, so it makes sense that she might think that even though Doctor Who fans who watched him years would disagree.
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* When watching ''{{Torchwood}}'' I always wondered why the hell in the first series, Torchwood was all hush-hush. Yet, in the second series, almost everyone in Cardiff knows about (and seems to despise) Torchwood. It wasn't until rewatching Utopia that I realized why. While Jack was gone, Gwen was in charge. Gwen is also the newbie who has no idea how to do stuff. It is perfectly plausible that somehow, she managed to f*ck something up so badly, that the general populace knows about the existence of Torchwood. Tropers/Margo196

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* When watching ''{{Torchwood}}'' ''Torchwood'' I always wondered why the hell in the first series, Torchwood was all hush-hush. Yet, in the second series, almost everyone in Cardiff knows about (and seems to despise) Torchwood. It wasn't until rewatching Utopia that I realized why. While Jack was gone, Gwen was in charge. Gwen is also the newbie who has no idea how to do stuff. It is perfectly plausible that somehow, she managed to f*ck something up so badly, that the general populace knows about the existence of Torchwood. Tropers/Margo196



* A lot of people have complained that it was stupid of the government in the ''{{Torchwood}} Children of Earth'' miniseries to try to kill Torchwood to keep the past dealings with the 456 secret, instead of asking an elite monster-fighting force for help with the current 456 situation. Well yeah, it ''was'', but it wasn't ''supposed'' to not be stupid of them. We're talking about politicians here. It's in keeping with reality for covering their asses to be their number one priority over things like saving the world.

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* A lot of people have complained that it was stupid of the government in the ''{{Torchwood}} Children ''Children of Earth'' miniseries to try to kill Torchwood to keep the past dealings with the 456 secret, instead of asking an elite monster-fighting force for help with the current 456 situation. Well yeah, it ''was'', but it wasn't ''supposed'' to not be stupid of them. We're talking about politicians here. It's in keeping with reality for covering their asses to be their number one priority over things like saving the world.



* In ''{{Torchwood}}'', Jack's brother is kept in suspended animation at their base. [[spoiler: The base that just happened to, y'know, completely blow up destroying everything inside in series 3.]]
** The big one in ''Torchwood'': Jack decides to let himself be buried underground for 2000 years... yet a few minutes/2000 years later, he pops up again fresh as a daisy fully remembering why he was buried and not being at all mad from it. Clearly he's gotten so mad he's [[BoredWithInsanity looped back round again]]. Or something.

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* In ''{{Torchwood}}'', "Exit Wounds", Jack's brother is kept in suspended animation at their base. [[spoiler: The base that just happened to, y'know, completely blow up destroying everything inside in series 3.]]
** The big one in ''Torchwood'': "Exit Wounds": Jack decides to let himself be buried underground for 2000 years... yet a few minutes/2000 years later, he pops up again fresh as a daisy fully remembering why he was buried and not being at all mad from it. Clearly he's gotten so mad he's [[BoredWithInsanity looped back round again]]. Or something.
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* [[RedShirt Red is Ianto's color.]]-Lillium

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* [[RedShirt Red is Ianto's Ianto,Owen and Tosh's color.]]-Lillium
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*** Not quite: WordOfGod says that they nearly died in an avalanche, but managed to crawl back to basecamp and catch a flight to Cardiff. What happened after they got back to civilization, however, ''was'' horrific.

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*** Not quite: WordOfGod says that they nearly died in the Master caused an avalanche, but that the team survived and managed to crawl back to basecamp and catch a flight to Cardiff. basecamp. What happened after they got back to civilization, Cardiff, however, ''was'' undoubtedly horrific.
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** Not quite: WordOfGod says that they nearly died in an avalanche, but managed to crawl back to basecamp and catch a flight to Cardiff. What happened after they got back to civilization, however, was undoubtedly horrific....

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** *** Not quite: WordOfGod says that they nearly died in an avalanche, but managed to crawl back to basecamp and catch a flight to Cardiff. What happened after they got back to civilization, however, was undoubtedly horrific....''was'' horrific.

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** Not quite: WordOfGod says that they nearly died in an avalanche, but managed to crawl back to basecamp and catch a flight to Cardiff. What happened after they got back to civilization, however, was undoubtedly horrific....



* In ''Series/DoctorWho The End of Time'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried. There's already Fridge Horror here in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being'' dead once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]; it gets worse when you remember that [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]]

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* In ''Series/DoctorWho The End of Time'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried. There's already Fridge Horror here there in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being'' dead once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]; it gets worse when you remember that [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]]
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** Confirmed. The Master sent them on a wild goosechase to the Himalayas where they probably either died in a blizzard or were killed there. Jack goes nuts upon hearing it.
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* In ''[[DoctorWho The End Of Time]]'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried. There's already Fridge Horror here in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being'' dead once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]; it gets worse when you remember that [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]]

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* In ''[[DoctorWho ''Series/DoctorWho The End Of Time]]'', of Time'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried. There's already Fridge Horror here in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being'' dead once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]; it gets worse when you remember that [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]]
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* Why did Ianto first start wearing suits in the flashback to when he met Jack and wear them pretty much ever since? Ianto probably interpreted Jack's rejection to be in part due to his youth and wears suits around the workplace to be treated like an adult, much like how a lot of interns or entry-level employees dress more formally to be taken more seriously!

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* Why did From the flashback in "Fragments," we find out that Ianto first start only started wearing suits after trying to get a job in the flashback to when he met Jack Torchwood several times and wear them pretty much ever since? getting summarily rejected by Jack. Ianto probably interpreted Jack's rejection to be in part due to his youth and wears suits around the workplace to be treated like an adult, much like how a lot of interns or entry-level employees dress more formally to be taken more seriously!
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* Why did Ianto first start wearing suits in the flashback to when he met Jack and wear them pretty much ever since? Ianto probably interpreted Jack's rejection in part due to his youth and wears suits around the workplace to be treated like an adult, much like how a lot of interns or entry-level employees dress more formally to be taken more seriously!

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* Why did Ianto first start wearing suits in the flashback to when he met Jack and wear them pretty much ever since? Ianto probably interpreted Jack's rejection to be in part due to his youth and wears suits around the workplace to be treated like an adult, much like how a lot of interns or entry-level employees dress more formally to be taken more seriously!
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* Why did Ianto first start wearing suits in the flashback to when he met Jack and wear them pretty much ever since? Ianto probably interpreted Jack's rejection in part due to his youth and wears suits around the workplace to be treated like an adult, much like how a lot of interns or entry-level employees dress more formally to be taken more seriously!
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* In ''[[DoctorWho The End Of Time]]'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried; there's already fridge horror here in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]. In case you've forgotten, [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth....]]

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* In ''[[DoctorWho The End Of Time]]'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including those who are dead and buried; there's buried. There's already fridge horror Fridge Horror here in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being ''being'' dead once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]. In case you've forgotten, undone]]; it gets worse when you remember that [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth....Earth.]]
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* In ''[[DoctorWho The End Of Time]]'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including people who are dead and buried; there's no word on whether the dead went back to ''being'' once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]. In case you've forgotten, [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]] [[SarcasmMode Thanks for that, Rusty.]]

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* In ''[[DoctorWho The End Of Time]]'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including people those who are dead and buried; there's no word on already fridge horror here in that we aren't told whether the dead went back to ''being'' ''being once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]. In case you've forgotten, [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.Earth....]] [[SarcasmMode Thanks for that, Rusty.]]
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* [[RedShirt Red is Ianto's color.]]-Lillium

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* [[RedShirt Red is Ianto's color.]]-Lillium]]-Lillium
* In ''[[DoctorWho The End Of Time]]'', the Master changes every person on Earth into his genetic clone, including people who are dead and buried; there's no word on whether the dead went back to ''being'' once the effect was [[ResetButton undone]]. In case you've forgotten, [[spoiler: Tosh and Ianto were buried on Earth.]] [[SarcasmMode Thanks for that, Rusty.]]
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* Why did the 456 constantly flail around and puke over the walls of its enclosure? Well, it's [[spoiler: an alien junkie]]!
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* [[Redshirt Red is Ianto's color.]]-Lillium

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* What happened to the Torchwood team in the [[Series/DoctorWho Year That Never Was]]? Chances are they were all murdered for the Master's amusement or just for trying to raise rebellion against him. No wonder Jack becomes much mellower and more protective of them in Season 2. Also worth noting is that he takes his relationship with Ianto much more seriously, even asking him out soon after he came back!

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* What happened to the Torchwood team in the [[Series/DoctorWho Year That Never Was]]? Chances are they were all murdered for the Master's amusement or just for trying to raise rebellion against him. No wonder Jack becomes much mellower and more protective of them in Season 2. Also worth noting is that he takes his relationship with Ianto much more seriously, even asking him out soon after he came back!back!
* [[Redshirt Red is Ianto's color.]]-Lillium
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* What happened to the Torchwood team in the [[Series/DoctorWho Lost Year]]? Chances are they were all murdered for trying to rise up against Master. No wonder Jack becomes much mellower and more protective of them in Season 2. Also worth noting is that he takes his relationship with Ianto much more seriously, even asking him out soon after he came back!

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* What happened to the Torchwood team in the [[Series/DoctorWho Lost Year]]? Year That Never Was]]? Chances are they were all murdered for the Master's amusement or just for trying to rise up raise rebellion against Master.him. No wonder Jack becomes much mellower and more protective of them in Season 2. Also worth noting is that he takes his relationship with Ianto much more seriously, even asking him out soon after he came back!

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** In "Exit Wounds," John Hart ties Jack by the arms to the ceiling while Jack is dead. When Jack wakes up, he spends a few seconds screaming and struggling. It didn't hit me until after I finished the episode that, just for those moments, he thought he was back on [[Series/DoctorWho The Valiant.]] - {{Tropers/Maxwell_Edison}}



* In "Exit Wounds," John Hart ties Jack by the arms to the ceiling while Jack is dead. When Jack wakes up, he spends a few seconds screaming and struggling. It didn't hit me until after I finished the episode that, just for those moments, he thought he was back on [[Series/DoctorWho The Valiant.]] - {{Tropers/Maxwell_Edison}}



* In the episode Captain Jack Harkness, we learn that our beloved Captain stole his name from an officer who died in a training accident. Our Jack meets and falls in love with said officer, and snogs him in full view of all his colleagues the day before he is destined to die. It's entirely possible in that era that the original Jack was then murdered by his comrades for being a homosexual, and his death passed off as a training accident.

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* In the episode Captain Jack Harkness, we learn that our beloved Captain stole his name from an officer who died in a training accident. Our Jack meets and falls in love with said officer, and snogs him in full view of all his colleagues the day before he is destined to die. It's entirely possible in that era that the original Jack was then murdered by his comrades for being a homosexual, and his death passed off as a training accident.accident.
* What happened to the Torchwood team in the [[Series/DoctorWho Lost Year]]? Chances are they were all murdered for trying to rise up against Master. No wonder Jack becomes much mellower and more protective of them in Season 2. Also worth noting is that he takes his relationship with Ianto much more seriously, even asking him out soon after he came back!
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* In ''{{Torchwood}}'', Jack's brother is kept in suspended animation at their base. [[spoiler: The base that just happened to, y'know, completely blow up destroying everything inside in series 3.]]
** The big one in ''Torchwood'': Jack decides to let himself be buried underground for 2000 years... yet a few minutes/2000 years later, he pops up again fresh as a daisy fully remembering why he was buried and not being at all mad from it. Clearly he's gotten so mad he's [[BoredWithInsanity looped back round again]]. Or something.
** In ''the same episode'', Owen, the team's literal walking dead man whose consciousness inhabits a corpse that can't repair itself, gets trapped in a room about to be flooded with the waste from a nuclear reactor and desintegrated. Which means, basically, he's just been transformed into a cloud of sentient, conscious radioactive particles. And you thought Jack's fate was bad. Was Chris Chibnall asleep at his keyboard that day or what?
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* Lots of people hate "Countrycide". Me, I didn't, but only because I realized it was making a not so subtle point: ''At times, human bastardry is far more freaky and twisted than any alien presence could be.'' True, it is disappointing there was no alien presence at all, but when Jack just wanted to kill them all (correctly, knowing they were sick sociopaths far more twisted than an alien threat) and Gwen (naively, in a case of WrongGenreSavvy, thinking they just had a BlueAndOrangeMorality she wanted to understand) tried to figure them out, I realized RTD was basically foreshadowing the true horror we humans can be capable of in ChildrenOfEarth and MiracleDay. - Rpgingmaster
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* A lot of people have complained that it was stupid of the government in the ''{{Torchwood}} Children of Earth'' miniseries to try to kill Torchwood to keep the past dealings with the 456 secret, instead of asking an elite monster-fighting force for help with the current 456 situation. Well yeah, it ''was'', but it wasn't ''supposed'' to not be stupid of them. We're talking about politicians here. It's in keeping with reality for covering their asses to be their number one priority over things like saving the world.

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