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** Going by the above logic, the 'S' on Syndrome's costume covers the entire front of his torso, even dwarfing the 'I' on Bob's first costume. The size of the 'S' is a clever way symbolize Syndrome's ItsAllAboutMe attitude and not having a single bit of care to those around him.
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* Dash survived the fall off the cliff by landing on a Velocipod. He was ''extremely'' lucky that he didn't land on its propeller blades.
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** Of course, this would also mean poor Bernie might have been scheduled for a visit from Mr. Dicker and his memory-wiping machine.

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** Of course, course, [[FridgeHorror this would also mean mean]] that poor Bernie might have been scheduled for a visit from Mr. Dicker and his memory-wiping machine.



* Mirage's story for the Omnidroid was that it got smart enough to wonder why it had to take orders. This story ends up becoming true in the climax.
* Buddy has clearly already been rejected several times by Mr. Incredible by the start of the movie, but it doesn't deter him from trying again and again and again. So what was so final about the one time we saw Mr. Incredible telling him 'I work alone'? Well, what was Mr. Incredible also doing that day? Getting married. Syndrome, at some point, found out that Bob Parr was Mr. Incredible, as he sent Mirage to track him down... maybe it wasn't so much Mr Incredible telling him 'I work alone', but the sheer hypocrisy of him saying this on the day he got married, or in other words, joining up with a PARTNER. Granted Syndrome doesn't know he married Elastigirl, but listen to how he says the line 'You married Elastigirl', it sounds more like he was surprised at who he married, not at the marriage itself.

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* Mirage's story for the Omnidroid was that it got smart enough to wonder why it had to take orders. This story ends up becoming true in the climax.
climax, when it ultimately turns on Syndrome and destroys the remote he's using to control it.
* Buddy has clearly already been rejected several times by Mr. Incredible by the start of the movie, but it doesn't deter him from trying again and again and again. So what was so final about the one time we saw Mr. Incredible telling him 'I work alone'? Well, what was Mr. Incredible also doing that day? Getting married. Syndrome, at some point, found out that Bob Parr was Mr. Incredible, as he sent Mirage to track him down... maybe it wasn't so much Mr Incredible telling him 'I work alone', but the sheer hypocrisy of him saying this on the day he got married, or in other words, joining up with a PARTNER. Granted Syndrome doesn't know he married Elastigirl, but listen to how he says the line 'You "You married Elastigirl', Elastigirl", it sounds more like he was surprised at who he married, not at the marriage itself.



* Bob gets in trouble at work for helping people navigate Insuricare's obstructive bureaucracy to get money. He thinks he's doing a good thing and being a hero. What he's actually doing is distributing information fraudsters can use to push fraudulent insurance claims through the system and steal money from the company. [[spoiler: Just like how Bob trying to be Mr. Incredible again ended up helping Syndrome with his EvilPlan.]]

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* Bob gets in trouble at work for helping people navigate Insuricare's obstructive bureaucracy to get money. He thinks he's doing a good thing and being a hero. What he's actually doing is distributing information fraudsters can use to push fraudulent insurance claims through the system and steal money from the company. [[spoiler: Just like how Bob trying to be Mr. Incredible again ended up helping Syndrome with his EvilPlan.]]Syndrome's plans come to fruition.



** It is very likely that he wasn't the first super who took up Syndrome's offer and subsequently came to her for "a patch job" aka damage from the earlier Omnidroids over the years. Edna herself most likely saw through it but couldn't get them to spill the beans. When they eventually disappeared shortly afterwards, she became rightfully paranoid and wanted to figure out what is causing all this.

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** It is very likely that he wasn't the first super who took to take up Syndrome's offer and subsequently came to her for "a patch job" aka damage from the earlier Omnidroids over the years. Edna herself most likely saw through it but couldn't get them to spill the beans. When they eventually disappeared shortly afterwards, she became rightfully paranoid and wanted to figure out what is causing all this.



* Listen carefully to what Bob says to his client at work. He's telling them to go to the company's legal department and fill out a specific form, after which somebody would "get back to you quickly to resolve the matter." By which, he means his clients should sue Insuricare to force the company's lawyers to give the client their money in the form of a settlement.

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* Listen carefully to what Bob says to his client at work. [[CouldSayItBut He's telling them to go to the company's legal department and fill out a specific form, WS-2475 form]], after which somebody would "get back to you quickly to resolve the matter." By which, he means his clients should sue Insuricare to force the company's lawyers to give the client their money in the form of a settlement.



* From a certain POV, Omnidroid is actually {{ThreeLawsCompliant}}. It didn't kill ayone on-screen (when it's not under the control of Syndrome, it only tried to neutralize any threat coming at it. Once the threat is no more, it didn't try to continue to kill the enemy). It obeyed orders (but only from the remote). It protected its own existence, as long as such protection did not conflict with the order.

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* From a certain POV, the Omnidroid is actually {{ThreeLawsCompliant}}. It didn't kill ayone anyone on-screen (when it's not under the control of Syndrome, it only tried to neutralize any threat coming at it. Once the threat is no more, it didn't try to continue to kill the enemy). It obeyed orders (but only from the remote). It protected its own existence, as long as such protection did not conflict with the order.



** Lucius probably would have died. Isn't it a bit odd that Mr. Incredible was lured to a volcanic island, which doesn't really give the omnidroid an advantage over him? For an EvilGenius like Syndrome, that seems like a pretty glaring oversight... until you remember that the original target was Frozone. And if he can't create ice in a burning building, of course he's not going to be able to create it in a volcanic environment. He would have been totally helpless and likely been killed in short order. Even worse, Bob would never find out the truth about what happened to his best friend until he was discovered too, by which point it would probably be too late.

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** Lucius probably would have died. Isn't it a bit odd that Mr. Incredible was lured to a volcanic island, which doesn't really give the omnidroid Omnidroid an advantage over him? For an EvilGenius like Syndrome, that seems like a pretty glaring oversight... until you remember that the original target was Frozone. And if he can't create ice in a burning building, of course he's ''definitely'' not going to be able to create it in a volcanic environment. He would have been totally helpless and likely been killed in short order. Even worse, Bob would never find out the truth about what happened to his best friend until he was discovered too, by which point it would probably be too late.



* Buddy didn't just want to be Mr. Incredible's sidekick... he wanted to be his WARD. That is, to be adopted by Mr. Incredible, as Dick Grayson and other Robins were adopted by Bruce Wayne. What does that say about his family life... that he'd rather live as someone else's ward than with his own family? (Apparently his mother, at least, is still around.)

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* Buddy didn't just want to be Mr. Incredible's sidekick... he wanted to be his WARD.''ward''. That is, to be adopted by Mr. Incredible, as Dick Grayson and other Robins were adopted by Bruce Wayne. What does that say about his family life... that he'd rather live as someone else's ward than with his own family? (Apparently his mother, at least, is still around.)
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*** Bob succeeds in doing so, but ends up overtime running the risk of getting into trouble with said authorities/running the risk of getting in trouble (Bob being chewed out by Mr. Huph for the payments/Helen catching him moonlighting hero work vs Helen thinking he's having an affair while working under Mirage, and later finding out the truth about him being fired.)

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*** Bob succeeds in doing so, but ends up overtime running the risk of getting into trouble with said authorities/running the risk of getting in trouble (Bob being chewed out by Mr. Huph for the payments/Helen catching him moonlighting hero work vs Helen thinking he's having an affair while working under Mirage, and later finding out the truth about him being fired.)
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*** Bob succeeds in doing so, but ends up overtime running the risk of getting into trouble with said authorities/running the risk of getting in trouble (Bob being chewed out by Mr. Huph for the payments/Helen catching him moonlighting hero work vs Helen thinking he's having an affair while working under Mirage)

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*** Bob succeeds in doing so, but ends up overtime running the risk of getting into trouble with said authorities/running the risk of getting in trouble (Bob being chewed out by Mr. Huph for the payments/Helen catching him moonlighting hero work vs Helen thinking he's having an affair while working under Mirage)Mirage, and later finding out the truth about him being fired.)
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** Even the plot points about his relationship with Mr. Huph could be seen as a mirror of Bob's own predicament with Syndrome later on:
*** Bob tries to repeatedly do something heroic under the nose of a disapproving authority (Bob sneaking behind Mr. Huph's back to get his clients what they deserve/the numerous times he's gone out moonlighting against Helen's wishes vs Mr. Incredible sneaking out under Helen's nose to Nomanisan to fight the Omnidroid.)
*** Bob succeeds in doing so, but ends up overtime running the risk of getting into trouble with said authorities/running the risk of getting in trouble (Bob being chewed out by Mr. Huph for the payments/Helen catching him moonlighting hero work vs Helen thinking he's having an affair while working under Mirage)
*** Bob eventually overstretches himself and gets into serious trouble that ends up causing him a lot of problems and has to get bailed out by another group (Bob harms Mr. Huph and gets fired as a result, with Rick Dicker having to bail him out vs Bob finds out who his real employer is and nearly gets killed, with Helen and the kids dragged into his mess due to the above).
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** An alternative, alternative idea is that the supervillains had more of a comic book way of approaching things (ironically opposite to what Elastigirl notes about bad guys), in that they view themselves as the opponents of the super heroes, and act accordingly. But what happens if there ''are no'' super heroes left to oppose? A la Megamind, [[NoChallengeNoSatisfaction they might just decide that there isn't any enjoyment in continuing ''being'' super villains without their counterpart to fight back.]]

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** An alternative, alternative idea is that the supervillains had more of a comic book way of approaching things (ironically opposite to what Elastigirl notes about bad guys), in that they view themselves as the opponents of the super heroes, and act accordingly. But what happens if there ''are no'' super heroes left to oppose? A la Megamind, [[NoChallengeNoSatisfaction [[NoChallengeEqualsNoSatisfaction they might just decide that there isn't any enjoyment in continuing ''being'' super villains without their counterpart to fight back.]]
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** An alternative, alternative idea is that the supervillains had more of a comic book way of approaching things (ironically opposite to what Elastigirl notes about bad guys), in that they view themselves as the opponents of the super heroes, and act accordingly. But what happens if there ''are no'' super heroes left to oppose? A la Megamind, [[NoChallengeNoSatisfaction they might just decide that there isn't any enjoyment in continuing ''being'' super villains without their counterpart to fight back.]]
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* Syndrome's descent into villainy most likely went beyond simply being rejected by his idol. The lawsuit against Mr. Incredible for the train wreck was largely caused by Incrediboy's recklessness, and realistically Mr. I would have been obligated to disclose this fact in court while recounting the events that led to the aforementioned train wreck. Once this was made public, Buddy's classmates, whatever friends he had at the time, and especially his fellow superhero fans presumably were furious at him and deemed him a pariah for starting the cascade of mishaps that led to Supers being banned from hero work. Buddy's pride made him unable to take responsibility for his actions, instead constantly believing that none of the trouble would've happened if Mr. I had accepted his offer to let him be his sidekick. While this was technically true, Buddy really didn't do himself or Mr. Incredible any favors by being exceedingly pushy, refusing to take his idol's concerns seriously, and throwing caution to the wind by trying to prove himself while Mr. Incredible was facing down [[MadBomber Bomb Voyage]]. In other words, Buddy's refusal to take no for an answer ended up costing him his dream ''and'' his social life due to his peers blaming him for getting superheroes banned, and their ostracizing of him drove him to seek revenge on Supers.

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* Syndrome's descent into villainy most likely went beyond simply being rejected by his idol. The lawsuit against Mr. Incredible for the train wreck was largely caused by Incrediboy's recklessness, a result of Buddy's overzealousness and recklessness in trying to prove himself as Incrediboy, and realistically Mr. I would have been obligated to disclose this fact in court while recounting the events that led to the aforementioned train wreck.disaster. Once this was made public, Buddy's classmates, whatever friends he had at the time, and especially his fellow superhero fans presumably were furious at him and deemed him a pariah for starting the cascade of mishaps that led to Supers being banned from hero work. Buddy's pride made him unable to take responsibility for his actions, instead constantly believing that none of the trouble would've happened if Mr. I had accepted his offer to let him be his sidekick. While this was technically true, Buddy really didn't do himself or Mr. Incredible any favors by being exceedingly pushy, refusing to take his idol's concerns seriously, and throwing caution to the wind by trying to prove himself while Mr. Incredible was facing down [[MadBomber Bomb Voyage]]. In other words, Buddy's refusal to take no for an answer ended up costing him his dream ''and'' his social life due to his peers blaming him for getting superheroes banned, and their ostracizing of him drove him to seek revenge on Supers.
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* In the individual interviews at the start of the film, Mr. Incredible considers settling down with a family while Elastigirl finds the idea preposterous. Fifteen years later, and ironically Elastigirl has comfortably settled into the role of a stay-at-home mom while Mr. Incredible is the one itching for the old days.

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* The Parr family's powers becomes a super-powered reflection of a typical suburban family:
** Bob has super strength, which now reflects him doing all the heavy lifting for the family, especially financially.
** Helen having stretchy limbs could reflect her over-extending herself for the family as a housewife.
** Violet having invisibility and forcefield could reflect her being the oldest but also insecure and anti-social child of her family,
** Dash having super speed reflects his mischievous habits as the troublemaking child that gets away with everything.
** Jack-Jack's bizarre shapeshifting reflects the unpredictability of a infant's behavior. Or rather, there's no telling what the baby of the family would grow up into.

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* The Parr family's powers becomes a super-powered reflection are reflections of both their personalities and their roles in a typical suburban family:
** Bob has super strength, which now reflects him doing his straightforward machoism and his big heart, plus the fact that he does all the heavy lifting for the family, especially financially.
"heavy lifting" in supporting his family (especially financially).
** Helen having stretchy limbs could reflect has super elasticity, which reflects her over-extending quick thinking and adaptability, but also her tendency to over-extend herself for the family as a housewife.
** Violet having has invisibility and forcefield could reflect force fields, which reflects her being the oldest but also insecure desire to appear invisible and her anti-social child of tendency to push others away, but also her family,
intelligence and her capacity to protect others like her little brother.
** Dash having has super speed speed, which reflects his competitive side as well as his mischievous habits as the troublemaking child that gets away with everything.
** Jack-Jack's bizarre shapeshifting reflects the unpredictability of a an infant's behavior. Or rather, there's no telling what the baby of the family would grow up into. to become yet.


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* In the individual interviews at the start of the film, Mr. Incredible considers settling down with a family while Elastigirl finds the idea preposterous. Fifteen years later, and ironically Elastigirl has comfortably settled into the role of a stay-at-home mom while Mr. Incredible is the one itching for the old days.

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** At least in the US, a lot of [[BungledSuicide suicide attempt survivors]] end up with serious medical debt. He most likely wanted Bob’s money for his hospital bills.

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** At least in the US, a lot of [[BungledSuicide suicide attempt survivors]] end up with serious medical debt. He most likely possibly wanted Bob’s money for his hospital bills.


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* We know that the government's NSA was keeping tabs on superhero secret identities. In that case, you'd think they would have noticed when supers started suspiciously dying or disappearing around the same time, thanks to Syndrome's little genocide project. But no one at the NSA ever noticed or thought to start an investigation? This could be read as the government being ''complicit'' with letting supers die out, as it would let them spend less money on keeping old shame hidden.
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** Bob has super strength, which now reflects him doing all the heavy lifting for the family.
** Helen having stretchy limbs could reflect her responsibilities as a housewife.

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** Bob has super strength, which now reflects him doing all the heavy lifting for the family.
family, especially financially.
** Helen having stretchy limbs could reflect her responsibilities over-extending herself for the family as a housewife.
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* From a certain POV, Omnidroid is actually {{ThreeLawsCompliant Three Laws-Compliant}}. It didn't kill ayone on-screen (when it's not under the control of Syndrome, it only tried to neutralize any threat coming at it. Once the threat is no more, it didn't try to continue to kill the enemy). It obeyed orders (but only from the remote). It protected its own existence, as long as such protection did not conflict with the order.

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* From a certain POV, Omnidroid is actually {{ThreeLawsCompliant Three Laws-Compliant}}.{{ThreeLawsCompliant}}. It didn't kill ayone on-screen (when it's not under the control of Syndrome, it only tried to neutralize any threat coming at it. Once the threat is no more, it didn't try to continue to kill the enemy). It obeyed orders (but only from the remote). It protected its own existence, as long as such protection did not conflict with the order.
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* From a certain POV, Omnidroid is actually {{ThreeLawsCompliant}}..

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* From a certain POV, Omnidroid is actually {{ThreeLawsCompliant}}..{{ThreeLawsCompliant Three Laws-Compliant}}. It didn't kill ayone on-screen (when it's not under the control of Syndrome, it only tried to neutralize any threat coming at it. Once the threat is no more, it didn't try to continue to kill the enemy). It obeyed orders (but only from the remote). It protected its own existence, as long as such protection did not conflict with the order.
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* From a certain POV, Omnidroid is actually {{Three Laws-Compliant}}..

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* From a certain POV, Omnidroid is actually {{Three Laws-Compliant}}..{{ThreeLawsCompliant}}..
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** But there is one upgrade that didn't relate to that combat at all: When v8's core is ripped out, it simply stopped working. When v10's core is ripped out, it EXPLODED. Because v10 is the version that is "publicized". Syndrome obiviously didn't want anyone to copy his design (after all, he intended to sell that product later), so v10 is designed to be self-disposed, therefore keeping secret about its construct.
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* Syndrome's descent into villainy most likely went beyond simply being rejected by his idol. The lawsuit against Mr. Incredible for the train wreck was largely caused by Incrediboy's recklessness, and realistically Mr. I would have been obligated to disclose this fact in court while recounting the events that led to the aforementioned train wreck. Once this was made public, Buddy's classmates, whatever friends he had at the time, and especially his fellow superhero fans presumably were furious at him and deemed him a pariah for starting the cascade of mishaps that led to Supers being banned from hero work. Buddy's pride made him unable to take responsibility for his actions, instead constantly believing that none of the trouble would've happened if Mr. I had accepted his offer to let him be his sidekick. While this was technically true, Buddy's handling of the situation left a lot to be desired. It was because of Buddy's bothersome attitude that his peers blamed him for getting superheroes banned, and it was their ostracizing of him that drove him to seek revenge on Supers.

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* Syndrome's descent into villainy most likely went beyond simply being rejected by his idol. The lawsuit against Mr. Incredible for the train wreck was largely caused by Incrediboy's recklessness, and realistically Mr. I would have been obligated to disclose this fact in court while recounting the events that led to the aforementioned train wreck. Once this was made public, Buddy's classmates, whatever friends he had at the time, and especially his fellow superhero fans presumably were furious at him and deemed him a pariah for starting the cascade of mishaps that led to Supers being banned from hero work. Buddy's pride made him unable to take responsibility for his actions, instead constantly believing that none of the trouble would've happened if Mr. I had accepted his offer to let him be his sidekick. While this was technically true, Buddy really didn't do himself or Mr. Incredible any favors by being exceedingly pushy, refusing to take his idol's concerns seriously, and throwing caution to the wind by trying to prove himself while Mr. Incredible was facing down [[MadBomber Bomb Voyage]]. In other words, Buddy's handling of the situation left a lot refusal to be desired. It was because of Buddy's bothersome attitude that take no for an answer ended up costing him his dream ''and'' his social life due to his peers blamed blaming him for getting superheroes banned, and it was their ostracizing of him that drove him to seek revenge on Supers.
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** Also, given all the superpowered gadgets in Edna's house, it's unlikely she would need Kleenex to mop up a spill or stain, either. She probably has some gadget to take care of that.

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** Also, given all the superpowered gadgets in Edna's house, it's unlikely she would need Kleenex ordinary tissues to mop up a spill or stain, either. She Given all the superpowered gadgets in her house, she probably has some gadget to take care of that.a cleaning robot or something similar.
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** Also, given all the superpowered gadgets in Edna's house, it's unlikely she would need Kleenex to mop up a spill or stain, either. She probably has some gadget to take care of that.
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** It's possible that Buddy didn't have a bad home life, and just thought that living with and being adopted by a superhero would be cooler than his ordinary life, without considering what that would actually mean for him. He was a child at the time, and children usually don't think things all the way through.

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** It's possible that Buddy didn't have a bad home life, and just thought that living with and being adopted by a his favorite superhero would be cooler than his ordinary life, without considering what that would actually mean for him. He was a child at the time, and children usually don't think things all the way through.
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** It's possible that Buddy doesn't have a bad home life, and just thinks that living with and being adopted by a superhero would be cooler than his ordinary life, without considering what that would actually mean were it to really happen. He was a child at the time, and children usually don't think things all the way through.

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** It's possible that Buddy doesn't didn't have a bad home life, and just thinks thought that living with and being adopted by a superhero would be cooler than his ordinary life, without considering what that would actually mean were it to really happen.for him. He was a child at the time, and children usually don't think things all the way through.

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