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* Buddy has clearly already been rejected several times by Mr Incredible by the start of the movie, but it doesn't deter him from trying again and again and again. So what was so final about the one time we saw Mr Incredible telling him 'I work alone'? Well, what was Mr Incredible also doing that day? Getting married. Syndrome, at some point, found out that Bob Parr was Mr Incredible, as he sent Mirage to track him down... maybe it wasn't so much Mr Incredible telling him 'I work alone', but the sheer hypocrisy of him saying this on the day he got married, or in other words, joining up with a PARTNER. Granted Syndrome doesn't know he married Elastigirl, but listen to how he says the line 'You married Elastigirl', it sounds more like he was surprised at who he married, not at the marriage itself.


** There is also an observation of context. Bob said he'd be fine with raising a family before superheroing got banned. He was probably imagining a slow-down of his work, not a complete ceasing of it, with visions of 'take your kid to work' days involving his kids getting cats out of trees while he punches bank robbers, and being able to have days off to take the kids to the dentist while another hero saves people. That was what he was fine with, not being made to office work with no hero work at all.
* At the beginning of the movie, Bob runs into Helen both in their superhero outfits and then later it's revealed that is their wedding day. Its tradition that the groom is not allowed to see the bride before the wedding. Its only after the Parr's wedding that things start getting difficult for them with Bob's endangerment lawsuits.

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** There is also an observation of context. Bob said he'd be fine with raising a family before superheroing got banned. He was probably imagining a slow-down of his work, not a complete ceasing of it, with visions of 'take your kid to work' days involving his kids getting cats out of trees while he punches bank robbers, and being able to have days off to take the kids to the dentist while another hero saves people. That was what he was fine with, not being suddenly made to perform office work with no hero work at all.
* At the beginning of the movie, Bob runs into Helen both in their superhero outfits and then later it's revealed that is their wedding day. Its tradition that the groom is not allowed to see the bride before the wedding. Its It's only after the Parr's wedding that things start getting difficult for them with Bob's endangerment lawsuits.



** Also, those that married were Bob and Helen, NOT Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl. Nobody, not even Syndrome knew that the two were in any way connected other then both being super, their super-personas didn't have any kind of relationship. So ''in theory'', Bob didn't see his bride before the wedding, they didn't meet in civil on that day yet.

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** Also, those that married were Bob and Helen, NOT Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl. Nobody, not even Syndrome knew that the two were in any way connected other then both being super, their super-personas didn't have any kind of relationship. So ''in theory'', Bob didn't see his bride before the wedding, they didn't meet in civil civilian mode on that day yet.



* Fridge Heartwarming: it is often questioned why no supervillains took over the world once the heroes went into hiding. Simple: the vast majority of powered individuals were good guys. In fact, there is not a single powered villain shown in the entire film, they always rely on weaponry. The guy with the rocket, Bomb voyage, Syndrome, the Baron with the death ray Frozone talks about... And while the Underminer may look a bit odd, it seems that most of the heavy lifting will be done by the huge diggy thing he sits on. Generally there is lots of talk about villains, we actually see supers helping with lots of mundane stuff, robberies, fires, express elevators, cats... So yeah, supers are generally decent people, that's why there are no supervillains.

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* Fridge Heartwarming: it is often questioned why no supervillains took over the world once the heroes went into hiding. Simple: the vast majority of powered individuals were good guys. In fact, there is not a single powered villain shown in the entire film, they always rely on weaponry. The guy with the rocket, Bomb voyage, Voyage, Syndrome, the Baron with the death ray Frozone talks about... And and while the Underminer may look a bit odd, it seems that most of the heavy lifting will be done by the huge diggy thing he sits on. Generally there is lots of talk about villains, we actually see supers helping with lots of mundane stuff, robberies, fires, express elevators, cats... So yeah, supers are generally decent people, that's why there are no supervillains.


* Violet's canon height is 4'6, and she's very skinny. This would seem odd, but she is carried multiple times in the film, by her mother and at least once by her nine year old brother. The only way this works is if she is VERY petite. Plus, her being petite ties into her ShrinkingViolet nature.

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* Violet's canon height is 4'6, 5'6, and she's very skinny. This would seem odd, but she is carried multiple times in the film, by her mother and at least once by her nine ten year old brother. The only way this works is if she is VERY petite. Plus, her being petite ties into her ShrinkingViolet nature.


* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[EndOfSeriesAwareness Xerek's]] [[WildMassGuessing plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]], and that his plan was to end himself along with the world. So the comics DownerEnding and cancellation could both be seen as their world ending in two ways.

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* The device Mirage delivers to Mr. Incredible scans the room to guarantee that only her target would listen to her secret message. That is perfectly reasonable. What does ''not'' make sense is that the device analyzes Bob's face and loudly proclaims he is Mr. Incredible '''before''' scanning the room. If he had triggered her message anywhere but his study chances are his secret identity would have been exposed to everyone around him.

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* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[EndOfSeriesAwareness Xerek's]] [[WildMassGuessing plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]], and that his plan was to end himself along with the world. So the comics DownerEnding and cancellation could both be seen as their world ending in two ways.

!!FridgeLogic:
* The device Mirage delivers to Mr. Incredible scans the room to guarantee that only her target would listen to her secret message. That is perfectly reasonable. What does ''not'' make sense is that the device analyzes Bob's face and loudly proclaims he is Mr. Incredible '''before''' scanning the room. If he had triggered her message anywhere but his study chances are his secret identity would have been exposed to everyone around him.
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* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[EndOfSeriesAwareness Xerek's]] [[WildMassGuessing plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]], and that his plan was to end himself along with the world. So the comics DownerEnding and cancellation could both be seen as their world ending in two ways.

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* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[EndOfSeriesAwareness Xerek's]] [[WildMassGuessing plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]], and that his plan was to end himself along with the world. So the comics DownerEnding and cancellation could both be seen as their world ending in two ways.ways.

!!FridgeLogic:
* The device Mirage delivers to Mr. Incredible scans the room to guarantee that only her target would listen to her secret message. That is perfectly reasonable. What does ''not'' make sense is that the device analyzes Bob's face and loudly proclaims he is Mr. Incredible '''before''' scanning the room. If he had triggered her message anywhere but his study chances are his secret identity would have been exposed to everyone around him.


* SuperStrength? RubberWoman? Bob and Helen's sex life must be [[IncrediblyLamePun incredible!]]

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* SuperStrength? RubberWoman? Bob and Helen's sex life must be [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} incredible!]]



** Not sure whether Pixar ever covered this, but Frozone fits in that regard, too. During the scene where he interrupts the Parrs' dinner, it's heavily implied that he and Dash are on good terms, and have a sort of IntergenerationalFriendship going on. The way he does this strikes me as fairly similar to the way a surrogate "uncle" would bring presents for the kids, or otherwise behave in an endearing fashion. Tie that into his previous (and current) connection with Bob, and he almost sounds like an old college roommate or something. In terms of family archetypes, he's basically the father's [[LamePun cool]] old friend.

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** Not sure whether Pixar ever covered this, but Frozone fits in that regard, too. During the scene where he interrupts the Parrs' dinner, it's heavily implied that he and Dash are on good terms, and have a sort of IntergenerationalFriendship going on. The way he does this strikes me as fairly similar to the way a surrogate "uncle" would bring presents for the kids, or otherwise behave in an endearing fashion. Tie that into his previous (and current) connection with Bob, and he almost sounds like an old college roommate or something. In terms of family archetypes, he's basically the father's [[LamePun [[{{Pun}} cool]] old friend.


* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[WildMassGuessing Xerek's]] [[EndOfSeriesAwareness plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]], and that his plan was to end himself along with the world. So the comics DownerEnding and cancellation could both be seen as their world ending in two ways.

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* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[WildMassGuessing Xerek's]] [[EndOfSeriesAwareness Xerek's]] [[WildMassGuessing plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]], and that his plan was to end himself along with the world. So the comics DownerEnding and cancellation cancellation could both be seen as their world ending in two ways.


* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[WildMassGuessing Xerek's]] [[EndOfSeriesAwareness plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]].

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* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was that [[WildMassGuessing Xerek's]] [[EndOfSeriesAwareness plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]].what]], and that his plan was to end himself along with the world. So the comics DownerEnding and cancellation could both be seen as their world ending in two ways.


* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was Xerek winning the entire point (maybe both)? [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]]. Meaning that the comic ending was a form of EndOfSeriesAwareness.

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* Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was Xerek winning the entire point (maybe both)? that [[WildMassGuessing Xerek's]] [[EndOfSeriesAwareness plan all along?]] Remember that [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]]. Meaning that the comic ending was a form of EndOfSeriesAwareness.what]].


** Not to mention that her database contains the vital statistics, exact power quirks, and, most importantly, ''secret identities'' of every super she designs for, plus who knows how much else in the way of useful information.

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** Not to mention that her database contains the vital statistics, exact power quirks, and, most importantly, ''secret identities'' of every super she designs for, plus who knows how much else in the way of useful information.information.
*Was cancelling the comic an abrupt interruption of the series, or was Xerek winning the entire point (maybe both)? [[InvincibleVillain Xerek's power was that he always won, no matter what]]. Meaning that the comic ending was a form of EndOfSeriesAwareness.


** Not to mention that her database contains the vital statistics, exact power quirks, and, most importantly, ''secret identities'' of every super she designs for, plus who knows how much else in the way of useful information.

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* This either goes here or under FridgeBrilliance, depending on if it was intentional or not. If Syndrome's plan goes ahead, [[DidntThinkThisThrough what's to stop a Super from buying his inventions]] [[NiceJobFixingItVillain along with everyone else?]]
** The entire plan was to exterminate the Supers first, ''then'' sell the gadgets.
*** Even if we assume no Supers could survive such a purge (there are ways they could), what's to stop a new Super being born to mundane parents after that? Superheroics must have been a new thing at one time or another, so any claim that Supers can only be descended from other Supers instantly creates a chicken-and-egg scenario. The only way to guarantee someone with powers never acquired his gadgets would be for Syndrome to create a world that does the whole 'oppress people with powers' shtick, which was ''never'' part of his stated plans.
** Syndrome seemed to be implying that his inventions would bring normal people up to the level of the supers; therefore, a super buying his gadgets would be, in his eyes, redundant. Besides, Syndrome didn't seem to be trying to ''actively purge'' supers, aside from his Omnidroid tests. His goal was to spite the supers, and specifically Mr. Incredible, for apparently [[SelfServingMemory looking down on him due to his lack of powers]]. The idea was to prove that [[MugglePower they're not so special after all]] if he can bring normals to their level.
*** We see in the sequel that several more supers have been born/discovered their powers since the ban. This seems to imply that Syndrome either, 1)Knew that Supers would eventually repopulate or start appearing after his purge and had a contingency to deal with them that we never saw thanks to his death or, 2)He was so arrogant and short sighted that he never saw past his original plan to wipe out the old generation of Supers.

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** Not to mention that her database contains the vital statistics, exact power quirks, and, most importantly, ''secret identities'' of every super she designs for, plus who knows how much else in the way of useful information.

!!FridgeLogic:
* This either goes here or under FridgeBrilliance, depending on if it was intentional or not. If Syndrome's plan goes ahead, [[DidntThinkThisThrough what's to stop a Super from buying his inventions]] [[NiceJobFixingItVillain along with everyone else?]]
** The entire plan was to exterminate the Supers first, ''then'' sell the gadgets.
*** Even if we assume no Supers could survive such a purge (there are ways they could), what's to stop a new Super being born to mundane parents after that? Superheroics must have been a new thing at one time or another, so any claim that Supers can only be descended from other Supers instantly creates a chicken-and-egg scenario. The only way to guarantee someone with powers never acquired his gadgets would be for Syndrome to create a world that does the whole 'oppress people with powers' shtick, which was ''never'' part of his stated plans.
** Syndrome seemed to be implying that his inventions would bring normal people up to the level of the supers; therefore, a super buying his gadgets would be, in his eyes, redundant. Besides, Syndrome didn't seem to be trying to ''actively purge'' supers, aside from his Omnidroid tests. His goal was to spite the supers, and specifically Mr. Incredible, for apparently [[SelfServingMemory looking down on him due to his lack of powers]]. The idea was to prove that [[MugglePower they're not so special after all]] if he can bring normals to their level.
*** We see in the sequel that several more supers have been born/discovered their powers since the ban. This seems to imply that Syndrome either, 1)Knew that Supers would eventually repopulate or start appearing after his purge and had a contingency to deal with them that we never saw thanks to his death or, 2)He was so arrogant and short sighted that he never saw past his original plan to wipe out the old generation of Supers.
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** Not to mention that her database contains the vital statistics, exact power quirks, and, most importantly, ''secret identities'' of every super she designs for, plus who knows how much else in the way of useful information.


* Why was Violet's super suit trickier to make than those of the rest of the Parrs? Unlike her family, Violet doesn't perform a physical act when using her powers. To further explain, she doesn't do anything with ''her'' body. Look at the family: Bob has SuperStrength, Helen has [[RubberMan her elastic powers]], Dash has SuperSpeed and [[spoiler:Jack Jack has [[{{Shapeshifting}} metamorphosis]]]]. Which adds even more brilliance when you realize that that's another subtle reason why she's the "black sheep" of the Parrs.

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* Why was Violet's super suit trickier to make than those of the rest of the Parrs? Unlike her family, Violet doesn't perform a physical act when using her powers. To further explain, she doesn't do anything with ''her'' body. Look at the family: Bob has SuperStrength, Helen has [[RubberMan her elastic powers]], Dash has SuperSpeed and [[spoiler:Jack Jack Jack has [[{{Shapeshifting}} metamorphosis]]]].metamorphosis]]. Which adds even more brilliance when you realize that that's another subtle reason why she's the "black sheep" of the Parrs.



* As pointed out by WebVideo/CinemaSins, it seems rather improbable that a suburban home would have a fire sprinkler systemů until you remember that the Superhero Relocation Program was ''government-sponsored''. The government know that families with powers are more likely to have a fire (say, for example, Dash starts a fire with friction heat while running, or Violet makes a force field in the wrong place and cuts a gas line, or [[spoiler:Jack-Jack hiccups and [[WreathedInFlames combusts]] involuntarily]]), so '''of course''' they'd install a sprinkler system!
* Remember when Helen told Edna that Jack Jack didn't have any superpowers. Her statement heavily implies that most children of superheroes show their powers as an infant. A Fridge Funny moment when you realize that Bob and Helen had to deal with one baby who could turn invisible and another baby that had super speed. [[spoiler: Now they have a baby that can turn into steel, burst into flame, or become a monster]].
** This is actually dealt with in the Alternative Opening sequence where we see a invisible baby-Violet crying, though it saves Violet's life in this case [[spoiler: since Syndrome got irritated by not seeing a baby which distracted him enough to get everything else work out fine]].

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* As pointed out by WebVideo/CinemaSins, it seems rather improbable that a suburban home would have a fire sprinkler systemů until you remember that the Superhero Relocation Program was ''government-sponsored''. The government know that families with powers are more likely to have a fire (say, for example, Dash starts a fire with friction heat while running, or Violet makes a force field in the wrong place and cuts a gas line, or [[spoiler:Jack-Jack Jack-Jack hiccups and [[WreathedInFlames combusts]] involuntarily]]), involuntarily), so '''of course''' they'd install a sprinkler system!
* Remember when Helen told Edna that Jack Jack didn't have any superpowers. Her statement heavily implies that most children of superheroes show their powers as an infant. A Fridge Funny moment when you realize that Bob and Helen had to deal with one baby who could turn invisible and another baby that had super speed. [[spoiler: Now they have a baby that can turn into steel, burst into flame, or become a monster]].
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** This is actually dealt with in the Alternative Opening sequence where we see a invisible baby-Violet crying, though it saves Violet's life in this case [[spoiler: since Syndrome got irritated by not seeing a baby which distracted him enough to get everything else work out fine]].fine.



* Mr. Incredible and Incrediboy[[spoiler: /Syndrome]] have the same initials: Bob Parr and Buddy Pine.
* Why did Syndrome choose the name 'Syndrome'? According to dictionary.com, syndrome can mean "The pattern of symptoms that characterize or indicate a particular social condition." [[spoiler: Keep in mind that Syndrome is Incrediboy and he pretty much had his hero tell him he was useless, and that he has shut himself off from the world to get revenge.]] Syndrome [[TheSociopath has]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder ASPD.]]

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* Mr. Incredible and Incrediboy[[spoiler: /Syndrome]] Incrediboy/Syndrome have the same initials: Bob Parr and Buddy Pine.
* Why did Syndrome choose the name 'Syndrome'? According to dictionary.com, syndrome can mean "The pattern of symptoms that characterize or indicate a particular social condition." [[spoiler: Keep in mind that Syndrome is Incrediboy and he pretty much had his hero tell him he was useless, and that he has shut himself off from the world to get revenge.]] revenge. Syndrome [[TheSociopath has]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder ASPD.]]



* Syndrome's [[spoiler:death by propeller.]] He meets his [[IronicEcho biggest fan.]]

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* Syndrome's [[spoiler:death death by propeller.]] propeller. He meets his [[IronicEcho biggest fan.]]



* When Syndrome flashbacks to [[spoiler: Mr Incredible telling him he works alone, Bomb Voyage is missing from the scene.]] Shows how he got into that state of mind.

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* When Syndrome flashbacks to [[spoiler: Mr Incredible telling him he works alone, Bomb Voyage is missing from the scene.]] scene. Shows how he got into that state of mind.



* The whole 'No capes!' business [[spoiler: and Syndrome's death]] were foreshadowed early on in the movie, when the whole fiasco with the train happened because Bomb Voyage put a bomb ''on Buddy/Incrediboy's cape''. [[spoiler: Syndrome later died after another thing- a jet engine this time- caught on his cape and exploded.]]

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* The whole 'No capes!' business [[spoiler: and Syndrome's death]] death were foreshadowed early on in the movie, when the whole fiasco with the train happened because Bomb Voyage put a bomb ''on Buddy/Incrediboy's cape''. [[spoiler: Syndrome later died after another thing- a jet engine this time- caught on his cape and exploded.]]



* An irony with Syndrome? Despite all his hatred of Supers [[spoiler:he more or less ''is'' one when you consider he ''does'' have a genuine superpower: he's [[SuperIntelligence a super genius.]] With everything he's created, he's clearly ''immensely'' intelligent to a superhuman degree. It's just even Buddy didn't recognize it as a power because no one else did.]]
* Doubling as a CallBack: When Mr. Incredible meets Syndrome for the first time, the villain goes on a rant about how all he wanted to do was help his childhood idol and how Mr. Incredible kept saying all those inspiring things but wouldn't let Buddy do anything - and Mr. Incredible chucks a boulder at Syndrome, who barely blocks it, remarking how he was caught monologuing. At the end of the film, Syndrome goes off on his "I'll be back" rant, only to have Mr. Incredible throw the car at him - he catches Syndrome monologuing again. [[spoiler:This time, Syndrome pays for it.]]

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* An irony with Syndrome? Despite all his hatred of Supers [[spoiler:he he more or less ''is'' one when you consider he ''does'' have a genuine superpower: he's [[SuperIntelligence a super genius.]] With everything he's created, he's clearly ''immensely'' intelligent to a superhuman degree. It's just even Buddy didn't recognize it as a power because no one else did.]]
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* Doubling as a CallBack: When Mr. Incredible meets Syndrome for the first time, the villain goes on a rant about how all he wanted to do was help his childhood idol and how Mr. Incredible kept saying all those inspiring things but wouldn't let Buddy do anything - and Mr. Incredible chucks a boulder at Syndrome, who barely blocks it, remarking how he was caught monologuing. At the end of the film, Syndrome goes off on his "I'll be back" rant, only to have Mr. Incredible throw the car at him - he catches Syndrome monologuing again. [[spoiler:This This time, Syndrome pays for it.]]



* Syndrome's ultimate plan was to [[spoiler: save the city after destroying it with his own robot. He got the robot ready by sending other superheroes against it and making modifications after they defeated each iteration. Many of the supers were killed in this process. Not only was he making the robot stronger, he was killing any other hero that might have possibly destroyed the robot and saved the city]].

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* Syndrome's ultimate plan was to [[spoiler: save the city after destroying it with his own robot. He got the robot ready by sending other superheroes against it and making modifications after they defeated each iteration. Many of the supers were killed in this process. Not only was he making the robot stronger, he was killing any other hero that might have possibly destroyed the robot and saved the city]].city.



* [[spoiler:Syndrome's descent into villainy went beyond simply being rejected by his idol. The lawsuit against Mr. Incredible for the train wreck was caused by Incrediboy's recklessness. Buddy's friends ostracized him for starting the cascade of mishaps that led to Supers being banned from hero work. Buddy's pride made him unable to take responsibility for his actions, instead constantly believing that none of the trouble would've happened if Mr. I had accepted his offer to let him be his sidekick. While this was technically true, Buddy's handling of the situation left a lot to be desired. It was because of Buddy's bothersome attitude that his friends blamed him for getting superheroes banned, and it was their ostracizing of him that drove him to seek revenge on Supers.]]

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* [[spoiler:Syndrome's Syndrome's descent into villainy went beyond simply being rejected by his idol. The lawsuit against Mr. Incredible for the train wreck was caused by Incrediboy's recklessness. Buddy's friends ostracized him for starting the cascade of mishaps that led to Supers being banned from hero work. Buddy's pride made him unable to take responsibility for his actions, instead constantly believing that none of the trouble would've happened if Mr. I had accepted his offer to let him be his sidekick. While this was technically true, Buddy's handling of the situation left a lot to be desired. It was because of Buddy's bothersome attitude that his friends blamed him for getting superheroes banned, and it was their ostracizing of him that drove him to seek revenge on Supers.]]



* Why did Syndrome make the Name of his master plan [[Characters/ClassicalMythologyTitans KRONOS]]? [[spoiler:Because he wanted to be the father of gods, to create a new generation of tech-powered superheros.]]

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* Why did Syndrome make the Name of his master plan [[Characters/ClassicalMythologyTitans KRONOS]]? [[spoiler:Because Because he wanted to be the father of gods, to create a new generation of tech-powered superheros.]]



* This troper recently watched the film again and, during the scene where it's shown that the bird is a camera, made a reference to [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Saruman's birds]]. Except that's not the ''only'' similarity between Syndrome and Saruman: both have an army of mooks - Saruman's Orcs and Syndrome's henchmen; both have the main characters captured at some point (first Gandalf then Merry and Pippin, the Parrs); both want to use a powerful villain for their own gain (the difference being that Syndrome created his) and consider themselves better than the wizards/heroes of old; [[spoiler:both overlook the fact that they can't control the villain they're trying to use]] (doesn't backfire on Saruman as hard as it does on Syndrome, though); [[spoiler: both are betrayed by their second-in-command (Wormtongue for Saruman, Mirage for Syndrome)]]. And how does Saruman's story end? [[spoiler: After Sauron is defeated, the hobbits find that Saruman has attacked their home, but Saruman ultimately dies due to his own mistakes (abusing Wormtongue too much)]]. And what happens to Syndrome? [[spoiler: He attacks the Parrs' home after they beat the Omnidroid only to die due to his own mistake ([[TooDumbToLive monologuing near a plane turbine while wearing a cape to a guy who can throw cars]])]].

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* This troper recently watched the film again and, during the scene where it's shown that the bird is a camera, made a reference to [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Saruman's birds]]. Except that's not the ''only'' similarity between Syndrome and Saruman: both have an army of mooks - Saruman's Orcs and Syndrome's henchmen; both have the main characters captured at some point (first Gandalf then Merry and Pippin, the Parrs); both want to use a powerful villain for their own gain (the difference being that Syndrome created his) and consider themselves better than the wizards/heroes of old; [[spoiler:both both overlook the fact that they can't control the villain they're trying to use]] use (doesn't backfire on Saruman as hard as it does on Syndrome, though); [[spoiler: both are betrayed by their second-in-command (Wormtongue for Saruman, Mirage for Syndrome)]]. Syndrome). And how does Saruman's story end? [[spoiler: After Sauron is defeated, the hobbits find that Saruman has attacked their home, but Saruman ultimately dies due to his own mistakes (abusing Wormtongue too much)]]. much). And what happens to Syndrome? [[spoiler: He attacks the Parrs' home after they beat the Omnidroid only to die due to his own mistake ([[TooDumbToLive monologuing near a plane turbine while wearing a cape to a guy who can throw cars]])]].cars]]).



* Crediting ''Cinema Wins'' for this one: Edna Mode mentions how she "used to design for gods", and has Greek carvings on the walls of her house. Syndrome's password is "Kronos", the father of most of the Greek gods, highlighting how he considers himself to be above supers. [[spoiler: If you know your Myth/ClassicalMythology, you'll recall that Kronos was ultimately overthrown by his children, much like Syndrome is eventually defeated by a family of actual supers, making the dialogue and password subtle {{Foreshadowing}}.]]

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* Crediting ''Cinema Wins'' for this one: Edna Mode mentions how she "used to design for gods", and has Greek carvings on the walls of her house. Syndrome's password is "Kronos", the father of most of the Greek gods, highlighting how he considers himself to be above supers. [[spoiler: If you know your Myth/ClassicalMythology, you'll recall that Kronos was ultimately overthrown by his children, much like Syndrome is eventually defeated by a family of actual supers, making the dialogue and password subtle {{Foreshadowing}}.]]



* [[spoiler: It almost goes without saying that Syndrome is a straight example of [[CreateYourOwnVillain creating your own villain]], but this seems to be a semi-rare case where it takes multiple aspects of the hero's character to pull off. If Mr. Incredible wasn't famous, Buddy never would've become his fan, if he hadn't made it clear that he worked on his own, Buddy wouldn't have the grudge he had, and finally, if he'd been any less heroic and allowed Buddy to leave with the bomb attached to his cape, he wouldn't have survived the encounter and gone on to be a villain. Interestingly enough, these qualities exist in every adult super shown in the movie (and most that weren't, but are only known by the files in the DVD extras), which would imply that Syndrome's rise was an eventuality, not an accident; and given how long he went unnoticed, one has to wonder if there aren't more like him.]]

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* [[spoiler: It almost goes without saying that Syndrome is a straight example of [[CreateYourOwnVillain creating your own villain]], but this seems to be a semi-rare case where it takes multiple aspects of the hero's character to pull off. If Mr. Incredible wasn't famous, Buddy never would've become his fan, if he hadn't made it clear that he worked on his own, Buddy wouldn't have the grudge he had, and finally, if he'd been any less heroic and allowed Buddy to leave with the bomb attached to his cape, he wouldn't have survived the encounter and gone on to be a villain. Interestingly enough, these qualities exist in every adult super shown in the movie (and most that weren't, but are only known by the files in the DVD extras), which would imply that Syndrome's rise was an eventuality, not an accident; and given how long he went unnoticed, one has to wonder if there aren't more like him.]]



*** It seems that in the the Incredibles universe most heros don't have much problem with killing villians none of them ever say they don't and at the end of the movie [[spoiler:Bob straight up kills Syndrome by throwing a car at his plane]]
* [[spoiler: Something interesting that this troper would like to point out. A small easter egg found on the Bonus discs and in the movie. Notice the order in which all of the supers Mr. Incredible finds out about die. First is Universal Man, and this would make sense as he's the only super who doesn't have a "Secret Identity." Than comes Psycwave. How and why did these two supers die first? They were probably in a relation ship. Afterwards comes Everseer, Macroburst, and Phylange. All of them part of the same team with each other along with Psycwave (As confirmed via Bonus disc). It can only be assumed that these three supers all went into some sort of RoaringRampageOfRevenge after learning their former partners had been killed, only to be killed themselves. Which goes to show how deranged and insane Buddy has become.]]
* When [[spoiler:Mirage frees him,]] Mr. Incredible [[spoiler:nearly kills her in a rage at the, assumed, deaths of his entire family.]] While terrifying in and of itself, do remember Mr. Incredible is explicitly one of, if not ''the'' most powerful Supers on the planet. Now imagine if [[spoiler:he really ''did'' snap like that and knowledge his family still lived ''wasn't'' made known to him. The possible ending outcome of that, [[BewareTheSuperman aren't pretty to think about.]]]]

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*** It seems that in the the Incredibles universe most heros heroes don't have much problem with killing villians villains none of them ever say they don't and at the end of the movie [[spoiler:Bob Bob straight up kills Syndrome by throwing a car at his plane]]
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* [[spoiler: Something interesting that this troper would like to point out. A small easter egg found on the Bonus discs and in the movie. Notice the order in which all of the supers Mr. Incredible finds out about die. First is Universal Man, and this would make sense as he's the only super who doesn't have a "Secret Identity." Than comes Psycwave. How and why did these two supers die first? They were probably in a relation ship. Afterwards comes Everseer, Macroburst, and Phylange. All of them part of the same team with each other along with Psycwave (As confirmed via Bonus disc). It can only be assumed that these three supers all went into some sort of RoaringRampageOfRevenge after learning their former partners had been killed, only to be killed themselves. Which goes to show how deranged and insane Buddy has become.]]
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* When [[spoiler:Mirage Mirage frees him,]] him, Mr. Incredible [[spoiler:nearly nearly kills her in a rage at the, assumed, deaths of his entire family.]] family. While terrifying in and of itself, do remember Mr. Incredible is explicitly one of, if not ''the'' most powerful Supers on the planet. Now imagine if [[spoiler:he he really ''did'' snap like that and knowledge his family still lived ''wasn't'' made known to him. The possible ending outcome of that, [[BewareTheSuperman aren't pretty to think about.]]]]]]


* Crediting ''Cinema Wins'' for this one: Edna Mode mentions how she "used to design for gods", and has Greek carvings on the walls of her house. Syndrome's password is "Kronos", the father of most of the Greek gods, highlighting how he considers himself to be above supers. [[spoiler: If you know your ClassicalMythology, you'll recall that Kronos was ultimately overthrown by his children, much like Syndrome is eventually defeated by a family of actual supers, making the dialogue and password subtle {{Foreshadowing}}.]]

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* Crediting ''Cinema Wins'' for this one: Edna Mode mentions how she "used to design for gods", and has Greek carvings on the walls of her house. Syndrome's password is "Kronos", the father of most of the Greek gods, highlighting how he considers himself to be above supers. [[spoiler: If you know your ClassicalMythology, Myth/ClassicalMythology, you'll recall that Kronos was ultimately overthrown by his children, much like Syndrome is eventually defeated by a family of actual supers, making the dialogue and password subtle {{Foreshadowing}}.]]


** A small [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming]] fridge: each kid is complimented by their opposite parent for their best quality. During their mission, Elastigirl tells her son how proud she is of what a [[TheDeterminator trooper]] he is. And later, Mr. Incredible tells his daughter she looks good with her hair out of her face, encouraging her to come out of her shell.

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** A small [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarming]] SugarWiki/{{heartwarming|Moments}} fridge: each kid is complimented by their opposite parent for their best quality. During their mission, Elastigirl tells her son how proud she is of what a [[TheDeterminator trooper]] he is. And later, Mr. Incredible tells his daughter she looks good with her hair out of her face, encouraging her to come out of her shell.

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