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** It also makes sense given just how much Pokemon's themes (competitive gameplay not withstanding) emphasize the bond between trainer and Pokemon, and how it helps both of them grow. Shadow Pokemon aren't just the opposite of the nature of Pokemon in regards that battling is ''not'' akin to dogfighting or war machines, but that it also permanently ensures that there can ''be'' no bond between Pokemon and trainer. A Pokemon that has had its heart closed off cannot grow, bond, or develop beyond the level it was at because it's had its ability to emotionally grow and change ''permanently stunted.'' The Shadow Pokemon plan was basically doomed from the start.
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** It also makes sense given just how much Pokemon's themes (competitive gameplay not withstanding) emphasize the bond between trainer and Pokemon, and how it helps both of them grow. Shadow Pokemon aren't just the opposite of the nature of Pokemon in regards that battling is ''not'' akin to dogfighting or war machines, but that it also permanently ensures that there can ''be'' no bond between Pokemon and trainer. A Pokemon that has had its heart closed off cannot grow, bond, or develop beyond the level it was at because it's had its ability to emotionally grow and change ''permanently stunted.'' And to really add the cherry on top, the fact that Shadow Pokemon are still able to open up their hearts again, and in the process ''learn'' their lost skills again only proves how worthless the idea of Shadow Pokemon are. The Shadow Pokemon plan was basically doomed from the start.
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* If you fail to catch a Shadow Pokémon from someone, but you get another chance to snag it later, the Pokémon will still be the same level with the same attacks and stats, even if this makes the trainer's other Pokémon several levels higher than it. This makes sense when you remember that Shadow Pokémon in your possession don't level up or learn new attacks until they've been purified -- the same is true for other trainers.
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** It also makes sense given just how much Pokemon's themes (competitive gameplay not withstanding) emphasize the bond between trainer and Pokemon, and how it helps both of them grow. Shadow Pokemon aren't just the opposite of the nature of Pokemon in regards that battling is ''not'' akin to dogfighting or war machines, but that it also permanently ensures that there can ''be'' no bond between Pokemon and trainer. A Pokemon that has had its heart closed off cannot grow, bond, or develop beyond the level it was at because it's had its ability to emotionally grow and change ''permanently stunted.'' The Shadow Pokemon plan was basically doomed from the start.
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** If you think that's bad enough, let us direct your attention to the Paradise Protection Protocol. You know, the bit of code that ''locks down any unauthorized Poké Balls'' in its area of effect? On the defensive front, this could shut down any opponent of Cipher's that dares to come after them. On the offensive front -- [[FromBadToWorse which is Cipher's expertise, by the way]] -- the use of even one Snag Machine punches holes through the PPP that it is fundamentally incapable of patching over. The one silver lining is that information on Area Zero is so airtight you can't squeeze a penny in, because the instant any mention of it gets out of that closed circle, '''word one''', Cipher is going to be drawn to the region like flies to manure, whether that time machine is functional or not.
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* When you first capture a Shadow Pokémon, you can't order it to use any of its non-Shadow moves until you open up its heart a certain amount, yet the trainers you snagged them from can have a Shadow Pokémon use all of its moves (except for the ones replaced by Shadow moves). Why is that? Because the Shadow Pokémon opened its heart to ''them''. Nowhere does it say that you're the only one who can open a Shadow Pokémon's heart. You basically kidnap them, so of course they're going to shut their heart to you.
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* When you first capture a Shadow Pokémon, you can't order it to use any of its non-Shadow moves until you open up its heart a certain amount, yet the trainers you snagged them from can have a Shadow Pokémon use all of its moves (except for the ones replaced by Shadow moves). Why is that? Because the Shadow Pokémon opened its heart to ''them''. [[LoopholeAbuse Nowhere does it say say]] that you're the only one who can open a Shadow Pokémon's heart. You basically kidnap them, so of course they're going to shut their heart to you.
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** Not only that, but Shadow Pokémon are little else than weapons. With their hearts being sealed away, the Pokémon have no trouble doing things even as terrible as attacking trainers. A fight with a Shadow Pokémon is very much a fight between life and death, the same as any gladiatorial fights in the ancient Roman Colosseum.
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** Not only that, but Shadow Pokémon are little else than weapons.weapons for them. With their hearts being sealed away, the Pokémon have no trouble doing things even as terrible as attacking trainers. A fight with a Shadow Pokémon is very much a fight between life and death, the same as any gladiatorial fights in the ancient Roman Colosseum.
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* Female Riders wear hats that appears to be made of '''purple leopard fur'''. Normally one wouldn't think much of it. However, now that we have a purple leopard Pokémon, Liepard, one has to wonder just '''what material was used to make that hat'''...
** Faux fur, of course.
* The trainers in these games are pretty non-nonchalant about their Pokémon getting stolen by the player. This is Orre, which is noted for being a rough region that is essential run by crime syndicates. The people living here must be used to crime happening on a regular basis. And with no wild Pokémon to be found, that means they're rare goods that must get stolen and trafficked on a regular basis.
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* The trainers in these games are pretty non-nonchalant about their Pokémon getting stolen by the player. This is Orre, which is noted for being a rough region that is essential run by crime syndicates. The people living here must be used to crime happening on a regular basis. And with no wild Pokémon to be found, that means they're rare goods that must get stolen and trafficked on a regular basis.
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* Female Riders wear hats that appears to be made of '''purple leopard fur'''. Normally one wouldn't think much of it. However, now that we have a purple leopard Pokémon, Liepard, one has to wonder just '''what material was used to make that hat'''...
** Faux fur, of course.
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* The trainers in these games are pretty non-nonchalant about their Pokémon getting stolen by the player. This is Orre, which is noted for being a rough region that isessential essentially run by crime syndicates. The people living here must be used to crime happening on a regular basis. And with no wild Pokémon to be found, that means they're rare goods that must get stolen and trafficked on a regular basis.
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** Added on top of that, there's the little fact that things are so bad that ''not even wild Pokémon live there''. Y'know, the creatures you've come to know and love that are widespread throughout every other region? It's remedied a little in ''XD'' with a few places where wild Pokémon can possibly appear, but still.
*** This gets even worse the more you think about it. Pokémon have been established as living ''everywhere''. Even the most barren or hostile environments have Pokémon in them in other regions — there's three lines of Pokémon that actually thrive in the most toxic of environments, due to being '''living pollution'''. And yet, somehow, Orre is so desolate and barren that no Pokémon lives here?
*** HarsherInHindsight comes into play; ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' has revealed the existence of Yveltal, whose lore is that it ''sucks the life out of everything around it''. Could Orre have been a fairly recent site of Yveltal's feeding?
* Cipher's last appearance was back in Generation III. Who knows what havoc they could wreak if they manage to make Shadow Pokémon out of stuff like [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]], Haxorus, [[YourSoulIsMine Chandelure]][[note]]which already has a reputation for ''burning people's '''souls'''''[[/note]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Darkrai]], [[MagmaMan Heatran]][[note]]the embodiment of volcanoes — which means they might use it to bury towns under magma flows[[/note]], [[WasOnceAMan Cofagrigus, Trevenant]], or [[{{God}} Arceus]] itself?!? Or any of the ''other'' nightmarish Pokémon in this setting?
*** This gets even worse the more you think about it. Pokémon have been established as living ''everywhere''. Even the most barren or hostile environments have Pokémon in them in other regions — there's three lines of Pokémon that actually thrive in the most toxic of environments, due to being '''living pollution'''. And yet, somehow, Orre is so desolate and barren that no Pokémon lives here?
*** HarsherInHindsight comes into play; ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' has revealed the existence of Yveltal, whose lore is that it ''sucks the life out of everything around it''. Could Orre have been a fairly recent site of Yveltal's feeding?
* Cipher's last appearance was back in Generation III. Who knows what havoc they could wreak if they manage to make Shadow Pokémon out of stuff like [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]], Haxorus, [[YourSoulIsMine Chandelure]][[note]]which already has a reputation for ''burning people's '''souls'''''[[/note]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Darkrai]], [[MagmaMan Heatran]][[note]]the embodiment of volcanoes — which means they might use it to bury towns under magma flows[[/note]], [[WasOnceAMan Cofagrigus, Trevenant]], or [[{{God}} Arceus]] itself?!? Or any of the ''other'' nightmarish Pokémon in this setting?
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** Added on top of that, there's the little fact that things Things are so bad that ''not even wild Pokémon live there''. Y'know, the creatures you've come to know and love that are widespread throughout every other region? It's remedied a little in ''XD'' with a few places where wild Pokémon can possibly appear, but still.
*** This gets even worse the more you think about it. ** Pokémon have been established as living ''everywhere''. Even the most barren or hostile environments have Pokémon in them in other regions — there's three lines of Pokémon that actually thrive in the most toxic of environments, due to being '''living pollution'''. And yet, somehow, Orre is so desolate and barren that no Pokémon lives here?
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** HarsherInHindsight comes into play; ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' has revealed the existence of Yveltal, whose lore is that it ''sucks the life out of everything around it''. Could Orre have been a fairly recent site of Yveltal's feeding?
* Cipher's last appearance was back in Generation III. Who knows what havoc they could wreak if they manage to make Shadow Pokémon out of stuff like [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]], Haxorus, [[YourSoulIsMine Chandelure]][[note]]which already has a reputation for ''burning people's '''souls'''''[[/note]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Darkrai]], [[MagmaMan Heatran]][[note]]the embodiment of volcanoes — which means they might use it to bury towns under magma flows[[/note]], [[WasOnceAMan Cofagrigus, Trevenant]], or [[{{God}} Arceus]] itself?!? Or any of the ''other'' nightmarish Pokémon in thissetting?setting.
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** HarsherInHindsight comes into play; ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' has revealed the existence of Yveltal, whose lore is that it ''sucks the life out of everything around it''. Could Orre have been a fairly recent site of Yveltal's feeding?
* Cipher's last appearance was back in Generation III. Who knows what havoc they could wreak if they manage to make Shadow Pokémon out of stuff like [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]], Haxorus, [[YourSoulIsMine Chandelure]][[note]]which already has a reputation for ''burning people's '''souls'''''[[/note]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Darkrai]], [[MagmaMan Heatran]][[note]]the embodiment of volcanoes — which means they might use it to bury towns under magma flows[[/note]], [[WasOnceAMan Cofagrigus, Trevenant]], or [[{{God}} Arceus]] itself?!? Or any of the ''other'' nightmarish Pokémon in this
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** Furthermore it's not Cipher, but ''Team GO Rocket themselves'' the ones who corrupt Pokémon into their Shadow forms. Makes you wonder what kind of nefarious deal Giovanni struck with the Cipher admins.
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*** This gets even worse the more you think about it. Pokémon have been established as living ''everywhere''. Even the most barren or hostile environments have Pokémon in them in other regions — there's three lines of Pokémon that actually thrive in the most toxic of environmenrs, due to being '''living pollution'''. And yet, somehow, Orre is so desolate and barren that no Pokémon lives here?
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*** This gets even worse the more you think about it. Pokémon have been established as living ''everywhere''. Even the most barren or hostile environments have Pokémon in them in other regions — there's three lines of Pokémon that actually thrive in the most toxic of environmenrs, environments, due to being '''living pollution'''. And yet, somehow, Orre is so desolate and barren that no Pokémon lives here?
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** Generation 8 introduces Dynamax, Gigantamax, and Eternamax. Imagine them weaponizing those... and worse, it was never said they could not be done with Mega Evolution or Z-Moves. Thankfully, all of those are tethered to Eternatus, who is bound to the Galar region, but if Cipher were to expand there and take over, suddenly the Darkest Day feels so small...
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** Generation 8 Gen VIII introduces Dynamax, Gigantamax, and Eternamax. Imagine them weaponizing those... and worse, it was never said they could not be done with Mega Evolution or Z-Moves. Thankfully, all of those are tethered to Eternatus, who is bound to the Galar region, but if Cipher were to expand there and take over, suddenly the Darkest Day feels so small...small...
** Gen IX brings Terastallization to the metagame. A Shadow Pokémon capable of changing its type to something more advantageous would be a major boon for Cipher on its own, but the real potential prize are the Paradox Pokémon said to reside within Area Zero. Such Pokémon are already highly-dangerous and capable of causing heavy damage and death if allowed to roam free. Imagine the levels of destruction Cipher could achieve by creating Shadow Paradox Pokémon.
** Gen IX brings Terastallization to the metagame. A Shadow Pokémon capable of changing its type to something more advantageous would be a major boon for Cipher on its own, but the real potential prize are the Paradox Pokémon said to reside within Area Zero. Such Pokémon are already highly-dangerous and capable of causing heavy damage and death if allowed to roam free. Imagine the levels of destruction Cipher could achieve by creating Shadow Paradox Pokémon.
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* As pointed out by LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}}, The A.I. taking out their own pokemon makes sense, as you can't snag a fainted pokemon, so the opponent still "wins" in a way.
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* As pointed out by LetsPlay/{{Chuggaaconroy}}, The the A.I. taking out their own pokemon Pokémon makes sense, as you can't snag a fainted pokemon, Pokémon, [[SpitefulAI so the opponent opponent]] [[WeWinBecauseYouDidnt still "wins" in a way.way]].
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* Most of this game’s shadow Pokémon are Johto Pokémon. They were used in the game because they were unobtainable anywhere else aside from a few exceptions in events and Hoenn's Safari Zone. Porting from [=Gen2=] was impossible and ''VideoGame/PokemonFireRedAndLeafGreen'', which made some of the creatures available in the Sevii Islands, weren't out yet. ''XD'', by contrast, had shadow Pokémon from all the generations that were out at the time.
* While Shadow Pokemon are very obviously violent and dangerous, it seems strange that characters are so specifically shocked by their willingness to attack humans. The opening sequences of Red/Blue, Ruby/Sapphire, and Diamond/Pearl all established that non-Shadow Pokemon are ''also'' happy to attack people, even when they lack Pokemon to defend themselves. However, it makes sense when you remember that Orre doesn't have any wild Pokemon. The region's citizens only ever interact with Pokemon that were either raised in captivity or trained ahead of time by people in other places, so they've never experienced natural Pokemon attacks. It's not that Shadow Pokemon are the only Pokemon who attack humans — they're just the only Pokemon ''in Orre'' who do it, because all of the others have already been taught not to do so.
* After winning the Pyrite Colosseum, Wes is escorted to the warehouse to be gifted a Shadow Pokemon but doesn't actually receive one. At least until one remembers the Peon that was about to give him one uses a Shadow Yanma. Which implies he is using the very Pokemon you won against you.
* Ever wonder why Pokeballs are so hard to come by in Orre? None of the marts sell them, except for this gas station in the middle of nowhere where the clerk has to dust them out of storage. Well, given the scarcity of wild pokemon, why would they sell them? In fact, the only people who need them are just about thieves and criminals.
* While Shadow Pokemon are very obviously violent and dangerous, it seems strange that characters are so specifically shocked by their willingness to attack humans. The opening sequences of Red/Blue, Ruby/Sapphire, and Diamond/Pearl all established that non-Shadow Pokemon are ''also'' happy to attack people, even when they lack Pokemon to defend themselves. However, it makes sense when you remember that Orre doesn't have any wild Pokemon. The region's citizens only ever interact with Pokemon that were either raised in captivity or trained ahead of time by people in other places, so they've never experienced natural Pokemon attacks. It's not that Shadow Pokemon are the only Pokemon who attack humans — they're just the only Pokemon ''in Orre'' who do it, because all of the others have already been taught not to do so.
* After winning the Pyrite Colosseum, Wes is escorted to the warehouse to be gifted a Shadow Pokemon but doesn't actually receive one. At least until one remembers the Peon that was about to give him one uses a Shadow Yanma. Which implies he is using the very Pokemon you won against you.
* Ever wonder why Pokeballs are so hard to come by in Orre? None of the marts sell them, except for this gas station in the middle of nowhere where the clerk has to dust them out of storage. Well, given the scarcity of wild pokemon, why would they sell them? In fact, the only people who need them are just about thieves and criminals.
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* Most of this game’s shadow Pokémon are Johto Pokémon. They were used in the game because they were unobtainable anywhere else aside from a few exceptions in events and Hoenn's Safari Zone. Porting from [=Gen2=] [=Gen II=] was impossible and ''VideoGame/PokemonFireRedAndLeafGreen'', which made some of the creatures available in the Sevii Islands, weren't out yet. ''XD'', by contrast, had shadow Pokémon from all the generations that were out at the time.
* While Shadow Pokemon are very obviously violent and dangerous, it seems strange that characters are so specifically shocked by their willingness to attack humans. The opening sequences of Red/Blue, Ruby/Sapphire, and Diamond/Pearl all established that non-Shadow Pokemon are ''also'' happy to attack people, even when they lackPokemon Pokémon to defend themselves. However, it makes sense when you remember that Orre doesn't have any wild Pokemon. Pokémon. The region's citizens only ever interact with Pokemon Pokémon that were either raised in captivity or trained ahead of time by people in other places, so they've never experienced natural Pokemon Pokémon attacks. It's not that Shadow Pokemon are the only Pokemon Pokémon who attack humans — they're just the only Pokemon Pokémon ''in Orre'' who do it, because all of the others have already been taught not to do so.
* After winning the Pyrite Colosseum, Wes is escorted to the warehouse to be gifted a ShadowPokemon Pokémon but doesn't actually receive one. At least until one remembers the Peon that was about to give him one uses a Shadow Yanma. Which implies he is using the very Pokemon Pokémon you won against you.
* Ever wonder whyPokeballs Pokéballs are so hard to come by in Orre? None of the marts sell them, except for this gas station in the middle of nowhere where the clerk has to dust them out of storage. Well, given the scarcity of wild pokemon, Pokémon, why would they sell them? In fact, the only people who need them are just about thieves and criminals.
* While Shadow Pokemon are very obviously violent and dangerous, it seems strange that characters are so specifically shocked by their willingness to attack humans. The opening sequences of Red/Blue, Ruby/Sapphire, and Diamond/Pearl all established that non-Shadow Pokemon are ''also'' happy to attack people, even when they lack
* After winning the Pyrite Colosseum, Wes is escorted to the warehouse to be gifted a Shadow
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*** This gets even worse the more you think about it. Pokemon Pokémon have been established as living ''everywhere''. Even the most barren or hostile environments have Pokémon in them in other regions — there's three lines of Pokémon that actually thrive in the most toxic of environmenrs, due to being '''living pollution'''. And yet, somehow, Orre is so desolate and barren that no Pokémon lives here?
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** Like Yamask and Cofagrigus (mentioned on the Pokedex page); Pokémon that can make humans into more Yamask? Or Phantump; [[UndeadChild a Pokémon that is the spirit of a dead child confined in a tree stump after losing his or her way in the woods]], or Drifloon (to carry the children away and make them Phantumps)? If Cipher had those Pokémon, they would have an army of Shadow Pokémon that [[WasOnceAMan were once humans]] and now serve as ghostly ChildSoldiers, {{Empty Shell}}s of their former selves and forced to battle for other trainers [[LackOfEmpathy without empathy]] or remorse [[AndIMustScream whether they want to or not]].
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** Like Yamask and Cofagrigus (mentioned on the Pokedex Pokédex page); Pokémon that can make humans into more Yamask? Or Phantump; [[UndeadChild a Pokémon that is the spirit of a dead child confined in a tree stump after losing his or her way in the woods]], or Drifloon (to carry the children away and make them Phantumps)? If Cipher had those Pokémon, they would have an army of Shadow Pokémon that [[WasOnceAMan were once humans]] and now serve as ghostly ChildSoldiers, {{Empty Shell}}s of their former selves and forced to battle for other trainers [[LackOfEmpathy without empathy]] or remorse [[AndIMustScream whether they want to or not]].
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* Cipher's last appearance was back in Generation III. Who knows what havoc they could wreak if they manage to make Shadow Pokémon out of stuff like [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]], [[AnAxeToGrind Haxorus]], [[YourSoulIsMine Chandelure]][[note]]which already has a reputation for ''burning people's '''souls'''''[[/note]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Darkrai]], [[MagmaMan Heatran]][[note]]the embodiment of volcanoes — which means they might use it to bury towns under magma flows[[/note]], [[WasOnceAMan Cofagrigus, Trevenant]], or [[{{God}} Arceus]] itself?!? Or any of the ''other'' nightmarish Pokémon in this setting?
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* Cipher's last appearance was back in Generation III. Who knows what havoc they could wreak if they manage to make Shadow Pokémon out of stuff like [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]], [[AnAxeToGrind Haxorus]], Haxorus, [[YourSoulIsMine Chandelure]][[note]]which already has a reputation for ''burning people's '''souls'''''[[/note]], [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Darkrai]], [[MagmaMan Heatran]][[note]]the embodiment of volcanoes — which means they might use it to bury towns under magma flows[[/note]], [[WasOnceAMan Cofagrigus, Trevenant]], or [[{{God}} Arceus]] itself?!? Or any of the ''other'' nightmarish Pokémon in this setting?
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*** Gen VI gives us such [[SarcasmMode pleasantries]] as the aforementioned Phantump; its evolved form Trevenant; Honedge, a possessed sword that can drink the life force of others; Clawitzer, the "{{BFG}} Shrimp" Pokémon; and mental manipulator Malamar. Shadowing any of those is bad enough, and that's not even going into Mega Evolution. On top of that, Yveltal can desoul entire towns, Primal Kyogre can wash Orre away, and Primal Groudon can melt it to the consistency of ''glass''; giving those latter three to the likes of Cipher equates to handing the worst people in the world a WMD and the carte blanche to ''use it''. Sweet dreams.
*** As of Generation VII, it gets worse; now we have more nightmarish Pokémon, such as [[FemmeFatale Salazzle (who can brainwash both Pokemon and humans),]] [[AndCallHimGeorge Bewear]] [[AccidentalMurder (who is infamous for unintentionally killing their trainers)]], [[AnimateInanimateObject Palossand]] [[LifeDrain (which can entrap, then suck the life out of their victims)]], [[BedsheetGhost Mimikyu]] [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow (which, if one tries to look under its disguise, the peeper will die)]], and [[GiantSpider Araquanid]] [[AccidentalMurder (which is known to drown small Pokémon in their bubble)]]. In addition, this generation also debuted the {{Eldritch Abomination}}s known as the [[OlympusMons Ultra Beasts]], [[StarfishAlien otherworldly beings]] that [[ExtremeOmnivore consume entire oceans]] [[TooManyMouths (Guzzlord)]], [[AbsurdlySharpBlade bisect entire buildings]] (Kartana), [[KillItWithFire set whole forests ablaze]] (Celesteela), and [[EmotionBomb cause other beings to act more violent than normal]] (Nihilego, [[TheManBehindTheMan as it demonstrated to Lusamine]]). Just having the above Pokémon would be bad enough (a Shadow Bewear, for example, could just snap a trainer in two without inhibition or remorse, eschewing the battle altogether if it could manage to ambush somebody), but factor in the Ultra Beasts, beings that are powerful enough to ''destroy entire universes,'' and Cipher would have dominion over the universe if they maintained control over the dimensional interlopers.
*** ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon'' bring with it [[SerialEscalation an even more dangerous threat than any of the aforementioned]] in the form of [[EldritchAbomination Ultra Necrozma.]] [[TheAssimilator Upon taking over Solgaleo and Lunala,]] Necrozma has been proven to open Ultra Wormholes by roaring. Not to mention prior to transforming, it was able to beat back [[BigBad Lusamine]] and [[TheDragon Guzma]] with ease, throwing them back to their world. To top it off, its Ultra forme is [[ThatOneBoss already difficult enough to beat on its own without being a Shadow Pokémon]], so one can only imagine what would happen if Cipher got a hold of Necrozma, Lunala, Solgaleo, and the Ultranecrozium Z....
*** ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon'' bring a different kind of horror with it in the Rainbow Resort and Team Rainbow Rocket. The central premise of the facility is that its major inhabitants are parallel instances of villainous leaders who were successful with their schemes, like a Cyrus who rewrote reality or a Lysandre who obliterated Kalos. Remember how Greevil's plan involved prototyping Shadow Lugia so that he could make Shadow Pokémon that function without the need for a trainer? The possibility of a parallel Greevil or Ardos running amok with a team, let alone an army, of autonomous Shadow Pokémon is not something one wants to comprehend. Then again, given how competent Cipher is in comparison to the other villain groups, maybe these parallel leaders should be grateful that they don't have to bunk with men and Pokémon they can't control...
*** Gen VII introduced the practice of adding Pokémon during the lifespan of a given Generation. This opens the door to a brand-new possibility — Cipher '''[[TykeBomb deliberately creating a brand-new Pokémon from scratch]]''', [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke a la Mewtwo or Genesect]], to create a trump card that nobody could possibly anticipate or prepare for.
*** Generation 8 introduces Dynamax, Gigantamax, and Eternamax. Imagine them weaponizing those... and worse, it was never said they could not be done with Mega Evolution or Z-Moves. Thankfully, all of those are tethered to Eternatus, who is bound to the Galar region, but if Cipher were to expand there and take over, suddenly the Darkest Day feels so small...
*** Want a bit more horror and NightmareFuel? What about Cipher [[VideoGame/PokemonGo crossing over to Real Life itself]]? After all, in the Augmented world of GO ''Shadow Pokémon already exist''.
*** As of Generation VII, it gets worse; now we have more nightmarish Pokémon, such as [[FemmeFatale Salazzle (who can brainwash both Pokemon and humans),]] [[AndCallHimGeorge Bewear]] [[AccidentalMurder (who is infamous for unintentionally killing their trainers)]], [[AnimateInanimateObject Palossand]] [[LifeDrain (which can entrap, then suck the life out of their victims)]], [[BedsheetGhost Mimikyu]] [[TheseAreThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow (which, if one tries to look under its disguise, the peeper will die)]], and [[GiantSpider Araquanid]] [[AccidentalMurder (which is known to drown small Pokémon in their bubble)]]. In addition, this generation also debuted the {{Eldritch Abomination}}s known as the [[OlympusMons Ultra Beasts]], [[StarfishAlien otherworldly beings]] that [[ExtremeOmnivore consume entire oceans]] [[TooManyMouths (Guzzlord)]], [[AbsurdlySharpBlade bisect entire buildings]] (Kartana), [[KillItWithFire set whole forests ablaze]] (Celesteela), and [[EmotionBomb cause other beings to act more violent than normal]] (Nihilego, [[TheManBehindTheMan as it demonstrated to Lusamine]]). Just having the above Pokémon would be bad enough (a Shadow Bewear, for example, could just snap a trainer in two without inhibition or remorse, eschewing the battle altogether if it could manage to ambush somebody), but factor in the Ultra Beasts, beings that are powerful enough to ''destroy entire universes,'' and Cipher would have dominion over the universe if they maintained control over the dimensional interlopers.
*** ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon'' bring with it [[SerialEscalation an even more dangerous threat than any of the aforementioned]] in the form of [[EldritchAbomination Ultra Necrozma.]] [[TheAssimilator Upon taking over Solgaleo and Lunala,]] Necrozma has been proven to open Ultra Wormholes by roaring. Not to mention prior to transforming, it was able to beat back [[BigBad Lusamine]] and [[TheDragon Guzma]] with ease, throwing them back to their world. To top it off, its Ultra forme is [[ThatOneBoss already difficult enough to beat on its own without being a Shadow Pokémon]], so one can only imagine what would happen if Cipher got a hold of Necrozma, Lunala, Solgaleo, and the Ultranecrozium Z....
*** ''Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon'' bring a different kind of horror with it in the Rainbow Resort and Team Rainbow Rocket. The central premise of the facility is that its major inhabitants are parallel instances of villainous leaders who were successful with their schemes, like a Cyrus who rewrote reality or a Lysandre who obliterated Kalos. Remember how Greevil's plan involved prototyping Shadow Lugia so that he could make Shadow Pokémon that function without the need for a trainer? The possibility of a parallel Greevil or Ardos running amok with a team, let alone an army, of autonomous Shadow Pokémon is not something one wants to comprehend. Then again, given how competent Cipher is in comparison to the other villain groups, maybe these parallel leaders should be grateful that they don't have to bunk with men and Pokémon they can't control...
*** Gen VII introduced the practice of adding Pokémon during the lifespan of a given Generation. This opens the door to a brand-new possibility — Cipher '''[[TykeBomb deliberately creating a brand-new Pokémon from scratch]]''', [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke a la Mewtwo or Genesect]], to create a trump card that nobody could possibly anticipate or prepare for.
*** Generation 8 introduces Dynamax, Gigantamax, and Eternamax. Imagine them weaponizing those... and worse, it was never said they could not be done with Mega Evolution or Z-Moves. Thankfully, all of those are tethered to Eternatus, who is bound to the Galar region, but if Cipher were to expand there and take over, suddenly the Darkest Day feels so small...
*** Want a bit more horror and NightmareFuel? What about Cipher [[VideoGame/PokemonGo crossing over to Real Life itself]]? After all, in the Augmented world of GO ''Shadow Pokémon already exist''.
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* After winning the Pyrite Colosseum, Wes is escorted to the warehouse to be gifted a Shadow Pokemon but doesn't actually receive one. At least until one remembers the Peon that was about to give him one uses a Shadow Yanma. Which implies he is using the very Pokemon you won against you.
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** Both of them being at nearly the same level also implies that he managed to get his hands on two Eevees at once and presumably raise them together, only evolving at differing times of day. Really highlights that Wes is both fortunate for the rarity and ''extremely'' kind beneath that AntiHero surface.
