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* Given the implication that Cassetti/Ratchett made enemies with his business decisions everywhere he went; that his name was immensely infamous to the point that he changed it and that [=MacQueen=] has felt haunted about working for him for as long as he has and seeing all the terrible things that he has, would it be appropriate to believe that much in the book and other versions that Daisy Armstrong is not the first kidnapping victim he's had where he's basically done the exact same motif: ransom the victim for months; let others take the blame; kill the victims once he's done bleeding their family's dry and then leave them all in complete shambles?

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* Given the implication that Cassetti/Ratchett made enemies with his business decisions everywhere he went; that his name was immensely infamous to the point that he changed it and that [=MacQueen=] has felt haunted about working for him for as long as he has and seeing all the terrible things that he has, would it be appropriate to believe that much like in both the book and other versions that Daisy Armstrong is not the first kidnapping victim he's had where he's basically done the exact same motif: motif numerous times: ransom the victim for months; let others take the blame; kill the victims victim once he's done bleeding their family's family dry and then leave them all in complete shambles?
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* Given the implication that Cassetti/Ratchett made enemies with his business decisions everywhere he went; that his name was immensely infamous to the point that he changed it and that [=MacQueen=] has felt haunted about working for him for as long as he has and seeing all the terrible things that he has, would it be appropriate to believe that much in the book and other versions that Daisy Armstrong is not the first kidnapping victim he's had where he's basically done the exact same motif: ransom the victim for months; let others take the blame; kill the victims once he's done bleeding their family's dry and then leave them all in complete shambles?
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* Helena is in for a long period of withdrawal and insomnia after quitting her barbitol cold turkey.
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* Linda Arden attempted suicide ''in front of her daughter''. Imagine how horrific that was for the already-traumatised Helena, and how much more horrific it would have been if not for Poirot's SecretTestOfCharacter.
** More horrific, and yet ''another'' death ultimately attributable to Daisy's murderer. Even dead, Cassetti's plague on the Armstrong family persists...

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* Linda Arden attempted suicide ''in front of her daughter''. Imagine how horrific that was for the already-traumatised Helena, and how much more horrific it would have been if not for Poirot's SecretTestOfCharacter.
ifthe gun ''hadn't'' been unloaded.
** More horrific, and it would've been yet ''another'' death ultimately attributable to Daisy's murderer. Even dead, Cassetti's plague on the Armstrong family persists...



* Pilar claims she's a light sleeper. As proven in the flashback, the reason she became a light sleeper is that the last time she dozed off, she lost her charge, Daisy.

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* Pilar claims she's a light sleeper. As proven in the flashback, the reason she became a light sleeper is that the last time she dozed off, she lost off and didn't wake, Daisy, who was her charge, Daisy.got kidnapped and the rest is history.

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* Pilar claims she's a light sleeper. As proven in the flashback, the reason she became a light sleeper is that the last time she dozed off, she lost her charge, Daisy.



* The Count's introductory EstablishingCharacterMoment where he beats up a paparazzo can be seen in a different light after rewatching: Considering what he and his wife are about to be involved in soon, perhaps it also a case of nerves rather than just bad temper. Also, it might have been risky to have tabloids with photographic evidence placing them on the train at the same time as a murder - while it might not lead everyone to immediately think they were involved, it could still jeopardise the plan.
** Another reading is that The Count's wife lost her niece, sister, and brother-in-law due to fame. Daisy was only targeted because Captain Armstrong was so often in the papers. He has a very good reason to hate reporters.

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* The Count's introductory EstablishingCharacterMoment where he beats up a paparazzo can be seen in a different light after rewatching: Considering considering what he and his wife are about to be involved in soon, perhaps it also a case of nerves rather than just bad temper. Also, it might have been risky to have tabloids with photographic evidence placing them on the train at the same time as a murder - while it might not lead everyone to immediately think they were involved, it could still jeopardise the plan.
** Another reading is that The Count's wife lost her niece, sister, and brother-in-law due to fame. Daisy was only targeted because Captain Armstrong was so often in the papers. He has a very good reason to hate reporters.
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* Pilar claims she's a light sleeper. As proven in the flashback, the reason she became a light sleeper is that the last time she dozed off, she lost her charge, Daisy.
* Another reading of the Count's assault on a paparazzo: his wife lost her niece, sister, unborn nephling, and brother-in-law due to fame. Daisy was only targeted because Captain Armstrong was so often in the papers. He has a very good reason to hate reporters.
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** More horrific, and yet ''another'' death ultimately attributable to Daisy's murderer. Even dead, Casetti's plague on the Armstrong family persists...

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** More horrific, and yet ''another'' death ultimately attributable to Daisy's murderer. Even dead, Casetti's Cassetti's plague on the Armstrong family persists...
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** More horrific, and yet ''another'' death ultimately attributable to Daisy's murderer. Even dead, Casetti's plague on the Armstrong family persists...
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* When his identity is revealed, Hardman makes a point of apologizing to Poirot and his fellow investigators for the bigoted comments about race he made in his undercover identity, even though the person he made them towards and regarding -- Dr. Arbuthnot -- is not present. Of course, since Arbuthnot actually knows and is working with Hardman, Arbuthnot is probably well aware that Hardman was just acting and is not actually a racist, and so no apology to him is likely needed. The apology is to maintain his cover of not knowing Arbuthnot.

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* When his identity is revealed, Hardman makes a point of apologizing to Poirot and his fellow investigators for the bigoted comments about race he made in his undercover identity, even though the person he made them towards and regarding -- Dr. Arbuthnot -- is not present. Of course, since Arbuthnot actually knows and is working with Hardman, Arbuthnot is probably well aware that Hardman was just acting and is not actually a racist, and so no apology to him is likely needed. [[WeDoNotKnowEachOther The apology is to maintain his cover of not knowing Arbuthnot.Arbuthnot]].



* Bouc's concern for the black doctor becomes this after Death On The Nile where it is shown that he later fell in love with an black woman.

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* Bouc's concern for the black doctor Dr. Arbuthnot becomes this after Death On The Nile where it is shown ''Film/{{Death on the Nile|2022}}'' reveals that he later fell in love with an black woman.
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* Bouc's concern for the black doctor becomes this after Death On The Nile where it is shown that he later fell in love with an black woman.
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** He actually specified "Belgian", which is the inspector's ethnicity.
*** Even so, he never even ''says'' "the French". They're the only party he never says a word about.
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* Many of the characters purposely have "fights" in front of Poirot to drive him off from realizing they are allied.

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** Another reading is that The Count's wife lost her niece, sister, and brother-in-law due to fame. Daisy was only targeted because Captain Armstrong was so often in the papers. He has a very good reason to hate reporters.



* When his identity is revealed, Hardman makes a point of apologising to Poirot and his fellow investigators for the bigoted comments about race he made in his undercover identity, even though the person he made them towards and regarding -- Dr. Arbuthnot -- is not present. Of course, since Arbuthnot actually knows and is working with Hardman, Arbuthnot is probably well aware that Hardman was just acting and is not actually a racist, and so no apology to him is likely needed. The apology is to maintain his cover of not knowing Arbuthnot.

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* When his identity is revealed, Hardman makes a point of apologising apologizing to Poirot and his fellow investigators for the bigoted comments about race he made in his undercover identity, even though the person he made them towards and regarding -- Dr. Arbuthnot -- is not present. Of course, since Arbuthnot actually knows and is working with Hardman, Arbuthnot is probably well aware that Hardman was just acting and is not actually a racist, and so no apology to him is likely needed. The apology is to maintain his cover of not knowing Arbuthnot.




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* On first viewing Ms. Hubbard's following after Poirot as he boards the train can be seen as her flirting with him and being a bit drunk. On the second viewing, knowing she is really Linda Arden and the mastermind of the murder, the scene is now her trying to figure out who the new arrival she didn't plan for is.
** As Poirot moves through the train station and later the train several of the characters talk with him or watch him walk by, such as Mary asking if he is traveling with them. It is only on repeat viewings one realizes they too are startled by the sudden arrival. That is why they suddenly begin talking with each other in private as the train leaves.
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** This also explains why they didn’t kill Poirot after killing Ratchett to prevent him from solving what happened, they were unwilling to cross the line of killing an innocent person despite the real risk he could figure out what happened and have them arrested.

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** This also explains why they didn’t kill Poirot after killing Ratchett to prevent him from solving what happened, they were unwilling to cross the line of killing an innocent person bystander despite the real risk that he could figure out what happened and have them arrested.
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** This also explains why they didn’t kill Poirot after killing Ratchett to prevent him from solving what happened, they were unwilling to cross the line of killing an innocent person despite the real chance he could figure out what happened and have them arrested.

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** This also explains why they didn’t kill Poirot after killing Ratchett to prevent him from solving what happened, they were unwilling to cross the line of killing an innocent person despite the real chance risk he could figure out what happened and have them arrested.

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