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** Also, non-white people did exist in the Old West. It wasn't quite as white as the John Ford movies would have us believe.
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* The Time Masters ordered The Pilgrim to RetGone the entire legends sans The Hawks. It makes sense in two levels, a.) Because they are cursed with {{Reincarnation}} anyways, it will be pointless. b.) There are several theories that the Time Masters are in cahoots with Savage all along. If the theories are indeed true, then they're gonna leave the killing of the Hawks for Savage as he needs to kill them himself to absorb their life force.
* If you observe carefully, The Pilgrim kidnaps the strongest relatives of The Legends such as Jax's father who is/was a soldier and Leonard's ActionGirl sister Lisa. It shows how [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy savvy]] she is. But of the Lances, The Pilgrim chose to kidnap Quentin instead of Laurel. It's because at that time, Quentin is obviously more physically capable than either of his daughters. Even though Laurel is/was (at the time) an ActionSurvivor with few self-defense classes, she has yet to experience real combat and the advanced TrainingFromHell she received in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 3.
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* The Time Masters ordered The Pilgrim to RetGone the entire legends sans The Hawks. It makes sense in two levels, a.) Because they are cursed with {{Reincarnation}} anyways, it will be pointless. b.) There are several theories that the Time Masters are in cahoots with Savage all along. If the theories are indeed true, then they're gonna leave the killing of the Hawks for Savage as he needs to kill them himself to absorb their life force.
* If you observe carefully, The Pilgrim kidnaps the strongest relatives of The Legends such as Jax's father who is/was a soldier and Leonard's ActionGirl sister Lisa. It shows how [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy savvy]] she is. But of the Lances, The Pilgrim chose to kidnap Quentin instead of Laurel. It's because at that time, Quentin is obviously more physically capable than either of his daughters. Even though Laurel is/was (at the time) an ActionSurvivor with few self-defense classes, she has yet to experience real combat and the advanced TrainingFromHell she received in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 3.
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* In contrast to the 1950s, no one gives Jax or Kendra any trouble aside from a few dirty looks. Of course they wouldn't, they came into town with a group of armed gunmen. Past a certain point, racism has to give way to common sense.
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* After being built up by Mick as TheDreaded, the Hunters go down rather easily. Mick spent a long time being brainwashed by the Time Masters, and the Hunters were the ones who would have taken him down if he went rogue. It makes sense that they'd feed him propaganda about the Hunters being unstoppable.
* In contrast to the 1950s, no one gives Jax or Kendra any trouble aside from a few dirty looks. Of course they wouldn't, they came into town with a group of armed gunmen. Past a certain point, racism has to give way to common sense.
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*Grant Wilson. Slade never mentioned him. Why should he? GRANT WASN'T BORN YET! Slade probably had him between the time of island and season two of Arrow. This explains how young Grant is, why he's so skilled, and why he hates Oliver! He took his father from him, before he could know him.
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* TheReveal of who Connor Hawke really is makes sense in a lot of things. First, [[spoiler: Diggle]] most likely was the one who taught him how to fight and shoot arrows. Think about it, [[spoiler: he is the one who covers for Oliver as The Hood the most]] since the beginning of ''Series/{{Arrow}}''. Also, Connor moves very tactical compared to Oliver, which makes sense since [[spoiler: both of his parents were officially trained by the military]]. His angst of [[spoiler: failing his father]] also not only stems from not being able to save him, but because he likely feels that [[spoiler: his father]] died thinking he hasn't learned anything from him.
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* TheReveal of who Connor Hawke really is makes sense in a lot of things. First, [[spoiler: Diggle]] most likely was the one who taught him how to fight and shoot arrows. Think about it, [[spoiler: he is the one who covers for Oliver as The Hood the most]] since the beginning of ''Series/{{Arrow}}''. Also, Connor moves very tactical compared to Oliver, which makes sense since [[spoiler: both of his parents were officially trained by the military]]. His angst of [[spoiler: failing his father]] also not only stems from not being able to save him, but because he likely feels that [[spoiler: his father]] died thinking he hasn't learned anything from him.
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* No affect on the timeline:
** In the pilot, Rip's reasoning for going to see Dr. Boardman on that specific day in 1975 is that [[spoiler:Boardman is fated to die the next day]], minimizing whatever negative effect on the timeline the team's visit will have. This casts his decision to specifically recruit the team in January 2016 in a darker light; it's not just to align the show's in-universe timeline with its real-world airing schedule, it's because [[spoiler:at least one of them was days, maybe hours away from death in the original timeline. For all of Rip's lies about the legendary status of the team in the future, he's giving at least one of them a chance at a future they wouldn't have had otherwise]].
** Adding to this, [[spoiler: note that in each case, with the exception of the Hawks, they were all in the middle of a mission, fight, or robbery, all of which they had a risk of being killed during. Its very likely that ''all of them'' were about to be killed, while the Hawks were probably close to being hunted down by the revived Savage of 2016.]]
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* No affect on the timeline:
** In the pilot, Rip's reasoning for going to see Dr. Boardman on that specific day in 1975 is that [[spoiler:Boardman is fated to die the next day]], minimizing whatever negative effect on the timeline the team's visit will have. This casts his decision to specifically recruit the team in January 2016 in a darker light; it's not just to align the show's in-universe timeline with its real-world airing schedule, it's because [[spoiler:at least one of them was days, maybe hours away from death in the original timeline. For all of Rip's lies about the legendary status of the team in the future, he's giving at least one of them a chance at a future they wouldn't have had otherwise]].
** Adding to this, [[spoiler: note that in each case, with the exception of the Hawks, they were all in the middle of a mission, fight, or robbery, all of which they had a risk of being killed during. Its very likely that ''all of them'' were about to be killed, while the Hawks were probably close to being hunted down by the revived Savage of 2016.]]
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* The Uprising, when Deathstroke II took over Star City, took place in 2031, and in the 15 years since no outside force has managed to come in and restore order to the city. Not the US Federal Government, not A.R.G.U.S., not even other metahuman superheroes. This implies that the rest of the world is such a CrapsackWorld in 2030s and 2040s that Star City is considered a ''secondary concern''. Either that, or after one terrorist attack too many, the government pulled a ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'' and cut off Star City from the rest of the US, forbidding external intervention.
* Oliver claims that they might have been able to save the city with Sara and Ray's help, which seems counter to Rip's claim that they had no real effect on the timeline. Following the FridgeHorror about them dying if Rip hadn't recruited them, then that means they weren't going to be there to save Star City no matter what.
* Oliver claims that they might have been able to save the city with Sara and Ray's help, which seems counter to Rip's claim that they had no real effect on the timeline. Following the FridgeHorror about them dying if Rip hadn't recruited them, then that means they weren't going to be there to save Star City no matter what.
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* Stein and Jax not fusing as Firestorm near the end of the episode. If they did, they would've likely trashed the ship they were at, and the reason they were there in the first place is to ask for help in updating Gideon and they can't do that if the ship gets damaged or if the ship's captain was caught in the cross[[AccidentalPun fire]].
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* No affect on the timeline:
** In the pilot, Rip's reasoning for going to see Dr. Boardman on that specific day in 1975 is that [[spoiler:Boardman is fated to die the next day]], minimizing whatever negative effect on the timeline the team's visit will have. This casts his decision to specifically recruit the team in January 2016 in a darker light; it's not just to align the show's in-universe timeline with its real-world airing schedule, it's because [[spoiler:at least one of them was days, maybe hours away from death in the original timeline. For all of Rip's lies about the legendary status of the team in the future, he's giving at least one of them a chance at a future they wouldn't have had otherwise]].
** Adding to this, [[spoiler: note that in each case, with the exception of the Hawks, they were all in the middle of a mission, fight, or robbery, all of which they had a risk of being killed during. Its very likely that ''all of them'' were about to be killed, while the Hawks were probably close to being hunted down by the revived Savage of 2016.]]
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* The Uprising, when Deathstroke II took over Star City, took place in 2031, and in the 15 years since no outside force has managed to come in and restore order to the city. Not the US Federal Government, not A.R.G.U.S., not even other metahuman superheroes. This implies that the rest of the world is such a CrapsackWorld in 2030s and 2040s that Star City is considered a ''secondary concern''. Either that, or after one terrorist attack too many, the government pulled a ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'' and cut off Star City from the rest of the US, forbidding external intervention.
* Oliver claims that they might have been able to save the city with Sara and Ray's help, which seems counter to Rip's claim that they had no real effect on the timeline. Following the FridgeHorror about them dying if Rip hadn't recruited them, then that means they weren't going to be there to save Star City no matter what.
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** In the pilot, Rip's reasoning for going to see Dr. Boardman on that specific day in 1975 is that [[spoiler:Boardman is fated to die the next day]], minimizing whatever negative effect on the timeline the team's visit will have. This casts his decision to specifically recruit the team in January 2016 in a darker light; it's not just to align the show's in-universe timeline with its real-world airing schedule, it's because [[spoiler:at least one of them was days, maybe hours away from death in the original timeline. For all of Rip's lies about the legendary status of the team in the future, he's giving at least one of them a chance at a future they wouldn't have had otherwise]].
** In the pilot, Rip's reasoning for going to see Dr. Boardman on that specific day in 1975 is that [[spoiler:Boardman is fated to die the next day]], minimizing whatever negative effect on the timeline the team's visit will have. This casts his decision to specifically recruit the team in January 2016 in a darker light; it's not just to align the show's in-universe timeline with its real-world airing schedule, it's because [[spoiler:at least one of them was days, maybe hours away from death in the original timeline. For all of Rip's lies about the legendary status of the team in the future, he's giving at least one of them a chance at a future they wouldn't have had otherwise]].
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** Either that, or after one terrorist attack too many, the government pulled a ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'' and cut off Star City from the rest of the US, forbidding external intervention.
** Either that, or after one terrorist attack too many, the government pulled a ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'' and cut off Star City from the rest of the US, forbidding external intervention.
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**concern''. Either that, or after one terrorist attack too many, the government pulled a ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'' and cut off Star City from the rest of the US, forbidding external intervention.
* Oliver claims that they might have been able to save the city with Sara and Ray's help, which seems counter to Rip's claim that they had no real effect on the timeline. Following the FridgeHorror about them dying if Rip hadn't recruited them, then that means they weren't going to be there to save Star City no matter what.
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* Oliver claims that they might have been able to save the city with Sara and Ray's help, which seems counter to Rip's claim that they had no real effect on the timeline. Following the FridgeHorror about them dying if Rip hadn't recruited them, then that means they weren't going to be there to save Star City no matter what.
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** Adding to this, [[spoiler: note that in each case, with the exception of the Hawks, they were all in the middle of a mission, fight, or robbery, all of which they had a risk of being killed during. Its very likely that ''all of them'' were about to be killed, while the Hawks were probably close to being hunted down by the revived Savage of 2016.]]
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*In the 70's, Vandal had a bank hold a lot of his assets in Russia. In the 80's, he allied himself with Russia. It could be that after a while, he decided that the Russians protected his assets well enough (aside from the legends coming in), to decide that they were 'worthy' of his power and influence.
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* Snart is visibly greying, which seems odd until the show reveals that he was about five or so years old in 1975. So in 2016, Snart is at least 45 years old; he looks younger because he keeps himself fit.
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* The team leaving Savage's body behind instead of bringing him along so Kendra can stab him with the dagger when she's strong enough seems odd at first. Then I realized that even if they had a place on the ''Waverider'' that could contain him, there were hundreds of Vandal's Mooks between them and the exit. They most likely agreed that it was more practical to grab Carter's body and run while the guards were still dazed than to grab Savage and fight their way through an [[ZergRush endless horde of evil minions,]] risking the chance of one of them getting overwhelmed and killed.
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* [[MeaningfulName Boardman sounds a lot like "birdman"]], [[spoiler: which is fitting for the son of Hawkman and Hawkgirl.]]
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* A minor point: In the pilot, when the Legends wake up on the roof after Rip kidnaps them, those pairs who were in close proximity when they were grabbed come to near the other (ie, Kendra and Carter wake up next to each other, while Snart and Rory are in close proximity)... with the exception of Stein and Jax (Stein's the second or third person in the line while Jax is at the end). This seems rather odd, until Heat Wave goes for his gun and Rip mentions that he tampered with their tech so he could be allowed to speak to them. He probably placed Jax and Stein apart so they couldn't immediately merge and attack him!
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* In the pilot, Rip's reasoning for going to see Dr. Boardman on that specific day in 1975 is that [[spoiler:Boardman is fated to die the next day]], minimizing whatever negative effect on the timeline the team's visit will have. This casts his decision to specifically recruit the team in January 2016 in a darker light; it's not just to align the show's in-universe timeline with its real-world airing schedule, it's because [[spoiler:at least one of them was days, maybe hours away from death in the original timeline. For all of Rip's lies about the legendary status of the team in the future, he's giving at least one of them a chance at a future they wouldn't have had otherwise]].
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* At first it may seem odd, even impossible, that [[spoiler:none of the team members are ultimately that important to the timeline]]. But think about when Rip goes to pick them up: in 2016, ''after'' they've all already had significant interaction with Oliver or Barry, and after they've all moved away from them. From a Doylist point of view, this is to prepare for ''Legends''; from a Watsonian point of view, it means they've probably moved on with their lives.
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!!FridgeBrilliance:
* In the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cQ83S_gMM this official trailer]] where scenes from the shows were shown with has a corresponding comic counterpart, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' panels acknowledges both the RaceLift of Iris West and Barry Allen's AdaptationDyeJob by putting scenes of the Caucasian redhead Iris kissing a blonde Barry from the comics along with the African-American version of Iris kissing the brunette version of Barry of the TV version. During the ''Legends'' part of the panel however, White Canary, who is originally Asian, was instead showed with the ComicBook/{{New 52}} version of the Dinah Drake ComicBook/BlackCanary with her outfit colored white corresponding with Sara Lance. It doesn't make sense unless you remember that Dinah Drake was Dinah Laurel Lance's predecessor as ComicBook/BlackCanary in the comics, just as Sara is Laurel's in the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}.
* The "proof of concept" elements present all over the first trailer that end up [[NeverTrustATrailer contradicting actual details of the characters' appearances leading up to the show]] make more sense when you remember this is a series about a team whose adventures involve traveling through time to stop a BadFuture from taking place. So perhaps there actually is an altered timeline in which Oliver is still the darker Arrow, Barry's outfit has yet to be redesigned, Sara's revival comes sans clothing for whatever reason, and Ray either never gets captured by Damien Darhk or finds his own way out of the situation without Team Arrow's help.
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!!FridgeBrilliance:
* In the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4cQ83S_gMM this official trailer]] where scenes from the shows were shown with has a corresponding comic counterpart, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' panels acknowledges both the RaceLift of Iris West and Barry Allen's AdaptationDyeJob by putting scenes of the Caucasian redhead Iris kissing a blonde Barry from the comics along with the African-American version of Iris kissing the brunette version of Barry of the TV version. During the ''Legends'' part of the panel however, White Canary, who is originally Asian, was instead showed with the ComicBook/{{New 52}} version of the Dinah Drake ComicBook/BlackCanary with her outfit colored white corresponding with Sara Lance. It doesn't make sense unless you remember that Dinah Drake was Dinah Laurel Lance's predecessor as ComicBook/BlackCanary in the comics, just as Sara is Laurel's in the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}.
* The "proof of concept" elements present all over the first trailer that end up [[NeverTrustATrailer contradicting actual details of the characters' appearances leading up to the show]] make more sense when you remember this is a series about a team whose adventures involve traveling through time to stop a BadFuture from taking place. So perhaps there actually is an altered timeline in which Oliver is still the darker Arrow, Barry's outfit has yet to be redesigned, Sara's revival comes sans clothing for whatever reason, and Ray either never gets captured by Damien Darhk or finds his own way out of the situation without Team Arrow's help.
