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* So, if Axel's such a jerk, why did he choose to be so nice to Roxas, of all people? [[spoiler:Lea met Ventus. Axel retains those memories. Boom, friendship. Though seeing as the meeting between Lea and Ven was only for a few minutes, that it can spark a "best friendship" with Roxas is...strange, to say the least.]]
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* So, if Axel's such a jerk, why did he choose to be so nice to Roxas, of all people? [[spoiler:Lea met Ventus. Axel retains those memories. Boom, friendship. Though seeing as the meeting between Lea and Ven was only for a few minutes, that it can spark a "best friendship" with Roxas is... strange, to say the least.]]
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* If Xehanort was trying to turn Organization members into vessels, why did Saix give Roxas the idea to keep a diary? That's the sort of self affirming and introspective thing that would help grow a heart, making him a poor host. Even if Saix didn't know this, wouldn't Xemnas have put a stop to it?
** Then again, what are the odds that Xemnas knew at all? Nobody micromanages THAT much, and he certaintly didn't spend much time with the rest of the Organization.
** At first, they didn't need Roxas to be a nice, empty host, they needed Roxas to be functional to kill heartless. The diary thing was probably a good way to help get Roxas's brain back online, and make him able to think and put together cause and effect in his mind. If he was blue-screening to hard to learn anything about fighting, he would have been killed pretty quickly, and that's the last thing Xemnas wanted.
* If Xehanort was trying to turn Organization members into vessels, why did Saix give Roxas the idea to keep a diary? That's the sort of self affirming and introspective thing that would help grow a heart, making him a poor host. Even if Saix didn't know this, wouldn't Xemnas have put a stop to it?
** Then again, what are the odds that Xemnas knew at all? Nobody micromanages THAT much, and he certaintly didn't spend much time with the rest of the Organization.
** At first, they didn't need Roxas to be a nice, empty host, they needed Roxas to be functional to kill heartless. The diary thing was probably a good way to help get Roxas's brain back online, and make him able to think and put together cause and effect in his mind. If he was blue-screening to hard to learn anything about fighting, he would have been killed pretty quickly, and that's the last thing Xemnas wanted.
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* If Xehanort was trying to turn Organization members into vessels, why did Saix give Roxas the idea to keep a diary? That's the sort of self affirming and introspective thing that would help grow a heart, making him a poor host. Even if Saix didn't know this, wouldn't Xemnas have put a stop to it?
** Then again, what are the odds that Xemnas knew at all? Nobody micromanages THAT much, and he certaintly didn't spend much time with the rest of the Organization.
** At first, they didn't need Roxas to be a nice, empty host, they needed Roxas to be functional to kill heartless. The diary thing was probably a good way to help get Roxas's brain back online, and make him able to think and put together cause and effect in his mind. If he was blue-screening to hard to learn anything about fighting, he would have been killed pretty quickly, and that's the last thing Xemnas wanted.
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*** And while [[WordofGod]] states that Axel views Roxas as a friend and not a lover, enough people believe otherwise that ho-yay has been scattered throughout every game featuring them together. Seriously, yaoi-glasses are barely needed with some of their banter.
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*** And while [[WordofGod]] WordofGod states that Axel views Roxas as a friend and not a lover, enough people believe otherwise that ho-yay has been scattered throughout every game featuring them together. Seriously, yaoi-glasses are barely needed with some of their banter.
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***And while [[WordofGod]] states that Axel views Roxas as a friend and not a lover, enough people believe otherwise that ho-yay has been scattered throughout every game featuring them together. Seriously, yaoi-glasses are barely needed with some of their banter.
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** Let's review the people who met both Roxas and Ventus. Lea, who didn't meet Ven for long enough to remember him, but did develop enough of a connection to piggyback some rudimentary emotions off of Roxas from Ven's semi-inert heart shaping Roxas; [[Disney/PeterPan Tinker Bell]], who, for all intents and purposes, is incapable of speaking (but not communicating), and so might have actually noticed something, but couldn't say so; [[Disney/{{Hercules}} Philoteces]] (AKA: Phil), who wasn't paying much attention when he met Ven, and would only really remember Terra the Hero and maybe Sexy Aqua (Herc would recognize him, but a big deal was made about how Roxas kept juuust missing him). 358/2 was, it appears, carefully planned so that Roxas either gets sent only to places where Ven didn't go, or to places where Ven went but only at times when the people who could say something weren't there. Braig/Xigbar probably knew the entire time, but didn't say anything out of fear of waking Ven's memories up, since he knew that would be a Bad Thing.
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** Let's review the people who met both Roxas and Ventus. Lea, who didn't meet Ven for long enough to remember him, but did develop enough of a connection to piggyback some rudimentary emotions off of Roxas from Ven's semi-inert heart shaping Roxas; [[Disney/PeterPan [[WesternAnimation/PeterPan Tinker Bell]], who, for all intents and purposes, is incapable of speaking (but not communicating), and so might have actually noticed something, but couldn't say so; [[Disney/{{Hercules}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} Philoteces]] (AKA: Phil), who wasn't paying much attention when he met Ven, and would only really remember Terra the Hero and maybe Sexy Aqua (Herc would recognize him, but a big deal was made about how Roxas kept juuust missing him). 358/2 was, it appears, carefully planned so that Roxas either gets sent only to places where Ven didn't go, or to places where Ven went but only at times when the people who could say something weren't there. Braig/Xigbar probably knew the entire time, but didn't say anything out of fear of waking Ven's memories up, since he knew that would be a Bad Thing.
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* On a related note, the fact that [[Disney/BeautyandtheBeast Beast's Castle]] is the world where Riku meets Xion and is also [[spoiler: the place where he sees her for the last time]] has a lot of potential for Fridge Brilliance. Think about it. During this game, Riku's wearing a blindfold to prevent himself from turning into Ansem, which kind of parallels the Beast in a way... While Xion ends up being held against her will by the Organization, not unlike Belle.
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* On a related note, the fact that [[Disney/BeautyandtheBeast [[WesternAnimation/BeautyandtheBeast Beast's Castle]] is the world where Riku meets Xion and is also [[spoiler: the place where he sees her for the last time]] has a lot of potential for Fridge Brilliance. Think about it. During this game, Riku's wearing a blindfold to prevent himself from turning into Ansem, which kind of parallels the Beast in a way... While Xion ends up being held against her will by the Organization, not unlike Belle.
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* In the scene where Roxas and Xion meet [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Genie]], Genie remarks that they could do better than a simple, "Nice to meet you too," kind of thing. The Tearjerker comes in when you realize that because they're Nobodies, they actually CAN'T do better. Whenever they go into worlds and meet people with Hearts, they're doomed to see everyone around them all enthusiastic and happy/sad/angry/etc while they themselves cannot. The Fridge Brilliance comes in when you realize that it may be one of the reasons they are to remain stealthy. Interacting with normal people, with the Tearjerker in mind, would most definitely lower morale in the group.
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* In the scene where Roxas and Xion meet [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Aladdin}} Genie]], Genie remarks that they could do better than a simple, "Nice to meet you too," kind of thing. The Tearjerker comes in when you realize that because they're Nobodies, they actually CAN'T do better. Whenever they go into worlds and meet people with Hearts, they're doomed to see everyone around them all enthusiastic and happy/sad/angry/etc while they themselves cannot. The Fridge Brilliance comes in when you realize that it may be one of the reasons they are to remain stealthy. Interacting with normal people, with the Tearjerker in mind, would most definitely lower morale in the group.
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* A small bit of foreshadowing for one of the reveals of DDD is shown in Neverland. Both Roxas and Axel were able to fly with pixie dust (though Axel had a little trouble getting off the ground at first). Flying with pixie dust, as established in [[Disney/PeterPan the film]], requires "a happy thought." [[spoiler:Kind of hard to be truly happy without a heart, huh?]]
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* A small bit of foreshadowing for one of the reveals of DDD is shown in Neverland. Both Roxas and Axel were able to fly with pixie dust (though Axel had a little trouble getting off the ground at first). Flying with pixie dust, as established in [[Disney/PeterPan [[WesternAnimation/PeterPan the film]], requires "a happy thought." [[spoiler:Kind of hard to be truly happy without a heart, huh?]]
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* Unlike the rest of Organization XIII, Xion isn't considered to have [[KingMook her own subclass of Nobodies to command]] since she isn't ever shown controlling any like the others are in ''II,'' [[spoiler:and she's not really one of them anyway]]. But there is one already existing subclass that would fit for her if she were assigned one - the Creepers, which were the only lesser Nobodies other than the general-use Dusks that weren't assigned to another Organization member. [[spoiler:Like her, they're associated with shapeshifting and copying other Organization members' weapons. Even most other lesser Nobodies have ''something'' for a face, but the Creepers have absolutely nothing there and Xion's true form is also a faceless puppet.]] They're also considered the weakest and lowest level Nobody type, which fits for the lowest ranking member of the Organization who starts off [[TheLoad very weak]] and has to gradually [[TookALevelInBadass get stronger to become capable]].
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* A small bit of foreshadowing for one of the reveals of DDD is shown in Neverland. Both Roxas and Axel were able to fly with pixie dust (though Axel had a little trouble getting off the ground at first). Flying with pixie dust, as established in [[Disney/PeterPan the film]], requires "a happy thought." [[spoiler:Kind of hard to be truly happy without a heart, huh?]]
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* Is it a pure coincidence that Saix is a GameBreaker in a game where he started getting some HiddenDepths? Not only he can make Mission Mode a breeze, he also “break” the expectations of his role in the story. Going by release order, one would think that Saix is just the less important of Xemnas’ CoDragons in contrast to Xigbar, whose importance was ramped-up by [=KH2 FM=]’s extra scenes. And then it turned out that Saix is also important, in ways that no one didn’t expect: he wanted to overthrow Xemnas all along, he was Axel’s best friend, and he’s the HateSink BigBadWannabe of the game.
