History Fridge / Halloweentown

** If it makes it any better, the lack of mentioning and angsting over it seems to suggest she's come to terms with it. Perhaps she only meant the non-magic time to be a fanciful phase to prove she can before moving on to what awaits her next in life. Albeit, that can again put a bit of a dark light on how she views the children that resulted from the coupling, at least at first.

** Which could also be explained as knowing the spells with the specific purpose of being able to defend against them if used.
* From the first movie. Grandma explains that perfectly normal Halloweentown citizens are suddenly becoming nasty, horrific versions of themselves, and the audience sees it firsthand in Grandma's friend Harriet. After Grandma and Gwen are trapped in the theater, Marnie, Dylan and Sophie are exploring Halloweentown to find potion ingredients when Benny drives up. He seems normal....except for his oddly forceful insistence that [[AdultFear the kids get into his taxi]]. Cue Sophie whispering to Marnie that "the ''Bad Thing's'' in there". Without warning Benny grabs Dylan and tries to pull him into the taxi. They get away, but...yeesh.

* In the third movie Grandma Aggie claims to have met Shakespeare, da Vinci et al., but these are all famous people in the ''mortal'' world. How exactly did she have time to collect all these funny anecdotes about famous people if she was in this dimension for one day a year at most?
--->Either:
--->A.It was before Halloweentown existed
--->Or
--->B.Time travel.
** What makes you assume she only came one day out of the year? Aggie could have stayed in the mortal world for as long as she liked before going back to Halloweentown at the upcoming Halloween. Which is what she probably did.
* Second movie, basic SanDimasTime issue: they only have until midnight to get back to the mortal world! Except, you know, they have time travel. Just go back in time a few minutes (like you did before, by accident) and fix everything. Or for that matter, when you're in the Timeline, just get off a little early, and you could have ''hours'' to stop Kal [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble before you even knew he was a threat]].
** FridgeBrilliance on that: Time flows differently in Halloweentown than in the mortal world. There really are two clocks in play here, so to speak: The Halloweentown clock and the mortal clock. What this creates is a rare [[JustifiedTrope justified]] case of SanDimasTime: They're travelling through time on the Halloweentown clock, allowing them to access any point in Halloweentown history. (Notice that even though the timeline depicts the count in mortal years, they're still in Halloweentown when they exit.) Meanwhile, the mortal world clock is moving forward the same way it always does. The portal closes at midnight mortal world time, not Halloweentown time. They could jump off the timeline three ''centuries'' before Kal ever enacted his plan and they'd still have only a handful of minutes in mortal time to go through the portal and stop him. Basically, SanDimasTime occurs because the timeline only allows for manipulation of the Halloweentown clock.
* And now for a piece of FridgeLogic mentioned immediately above: Why does Halloweentown seem to count time according to mortal years? (Notice when Luke and Marnie travel through the timeline, it shows years like 1340, 1350, and 1360 going by.) But given that Halloweentown was created after creatures and humans had a falling out, it's probably only been around for about six hundred years, give or take. Shouldn't Halloweentown years be counted from the actual creation of that world?
** Actually, never mind that. I rewatched the film and Gort explicitly says that the timeline is counting mortal years.
* In the first movie you need the bus to go between the mortal world and Halloweentown; it's a plot point, because Gwen wants to go home immediately but the bus isn't working. But in the second movie on, any witch or warlock can summon a portal with a spell. Why didn't Gwen try that?
** She has spent years rejecting and flat-out denying magic. I can see why she wouldn't want to use big enough magic to use a portal. Additionally, she's very rusty and her first attempt at magic in the film ends with her accidentally summoning flowers.

* Grandma Aggie clearly has a bag of holding in the first two movies. Yet in the third, a primary source of tension is that her magically-alive reptile-skin bag keeps trying to explore and eat things. What happened to the first bag? And why would she replace it?
** logic would suggest the new bag ate the old.

* From the first movie. Grandma explains that perfectly normal Halloweentown citizens are suddenly becoming nasty, horrific versions of themselves, and the audience sees it firsthand in Grandma's friend Harriet. After Grandma and Gwen are trapped in the theater, Marnie, Dylan and Sophie are exploring Halloweentown to find potion ingredients when Benny drives up. He seems normal...except for his oddly forceful insistence that [[AdultFear the kids get into his taxi]], but Sophie suddenly whispers to Marnie that "the ''Bad Thing's'' in there". Without warning Benny grabs Dylan and tries to pull him into the taxi. They get away, but...yeesh.

** Confirmed in the first movie: Humans and monsters were at war when halloween town was created. Aggie would need spells to defend herself with for good or bad.

* From the first movie. Grandma explains that perfectly normal Halloweentown citizens are suddenly becoming nasty, horrific versions of themselves, namely Grandma's friend Harriet. After Grandma and Gwen are trapped in the theater, Marnie, Dylan and Sophie are exploring Halloweentown to find potion ingredients when Benny drives up. He seems normal...except for his oddly forceful insistence that [[AdultFear the kids get into his taxi]], but Sophie suddenly whispers to Marnie, "The ''Bad Thing's'' in there". Without warning Benny grabs Dylan and tries to pull him into the taxi. They get away, but...yeesh.

** Which could also be explained as knowing the spells with the specific purpose of being able to defend against them if used.

** Confirmed in the first movie: Humans and monsters were at war when halloween town was created. Aggie would need spells to defend herself with for good or bad.

** Of course this was confirmed in the fourth movie.

Either:
A.It was before Halloweentown existed
Or
B.Time travel.

* For a supposedly good witch, Aggie has a couple of less than savory spells in that book of hers. (The Grey Spell and the Creature Spell, for example.) Kinda makes you wonder if there was a time when her use of her powers wasn't so benevolent.

** either
A:It was before halloweentown existed,

B: Time travel.

** either A:It was before halloweentown existed, Or B: Time travel.

* How exactly did Gwen and her late husband's romance work? They met at a Halloween party...and then had their second date a year later? Or did Gwen get stuck in the mortal world by accident and just decide that she liked it? Did they meet year after year, just [[FourthDateMarriage elope on a whim]], what?

** FridgeBrilliance on that: Time flows differently in Halloweentown than in the mortal world. There really are two clocks in play here, so to speak: The Halloweentown clock and the mortal clock. What this creates is a rare [[JustifiedTrope justified]] case of SanDimasTime: They're travelling through time on the Halloweentown clock, allowing them to access any point in Halloweentown history. (Which apparently uses the same count of years as the mortal world, despite not having been around as long, but that's another matter.) Meanwhile, the mortal world clock is moving forward the same way it always does. The portal closes at midnight mortal world time, not Halloweentown time. They could jump off the timeline three ''centuries'' before Kal ever enacted his plan and they'd still have only a handful of minutes in mortal time to go through the portal and stop him. Basically, SanDimasTime occurs because the timeline only allows for manipulation of the Halloweentown clock.

* And now for a peace of FridgeLogic mentioned immediately above: Why does Halloweentown seem to count time according to mortal years? (Notice when Luke and Marnie travel through the timeline, it shows years like 1340, 1350, and 1360 going by.) But given that Halloweentown was created after creatures and humans had a falling out, it's probably only been around for about six hundred years, give or take. Shouldn't Halloweentown years be counted from the actual creation of that world?

** FridgeBrilliance on that: Time flows differently in Halloweentown than in the mortal world. There really are two clocks in play here, so to speak: The Halloweentown clock and the mortal clock. While the timeline allows them to travel to any time on the Halloweentown clock, it can't affect the mortal one. While time in Halloweentown is at their beck and call, time in the mortal world is flowing at the same pace it always does. It's a rare [[JustifiedTrope justified]] case of SanDimasTime. Yes, they could jump off the timeline and end up at a point in Halloweentown history that was well before Kal executed his plan, but that wouldn't buy them any extra time in the mortal world. (And don't forget, it's the mortal world clock that determines the opening and closing of the portal.)

* How old was Gwen when she met her husband? She crashed a Halloween party, but she could have been anywhere from late teens/early twenties to ''centuries old''. MayflyDecemberRomance, anyone? And if she actually does have a 1000+ years lifespan, then she knew going into it that her husband would die long before her, too.

** [[FridgeLogic But on the other hand]], she's ''presumably'' aged fairly significantly her +10 years in the mortal world...right? Wouldn't people eventually notice if she didn't?