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* Why doesn't Gintoki tell his story to Shinpachi, Kagura and the audience with his own words? Why does he always send them away in battles? Why does he always hide his back [[spoiler:that's covered in scars]]? He doesn't want to drag them into his bloody past and see that he's a murderer (unwilling yes but still).
* Of course [[spoiler:Elizabeth]] is a royal, It comes with the stereotypically royal name! He even shares his birthday with one of the [[spoiler:Queens bearing the name]]!

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* Why doesn't Gintoki tell his story to Shinpachi, Kagura and the audience with his own words? Why does he always send them away in battles? Why does he always hide his back [[spoiler:that's that's covered in scars]]? scars? He doesn't want to drag them into his bloody past and see that he's a murderer (unwilling yes but still).
* Of course [[spoiler:Elizabeth]] Elizabeth is a royal, It comes with the stereotypically royal name! He even shares his birthday with one of the [[spoiler:Queens Queens bearing the name]]!name!



* Nobume's name is a MeaningfulName. Both ways. Her original name under the Naraku was "Mukuro", which meant "''corpse''", describing her only purpose in life if she only served them: bringing death and being punished by it if she failed them (basically, she was only a tool). Nobume, 信女, has the kanji for "confidence/belief/faith" and "woman". Now, considering that some years after her first appearance, it was revealed [[spoiler: that this was the name that Isaburo thought for his newborn daughter, and that he baptized Mukuro as "Nobume"]], it does show what kind of person Nobume turned up to be, instead: [[spoiler: that he believed that she wasn't a mere tool but a human that at the end changed her own destiny under his wing.]]
* Even if his injuries are PlayedForLaughs, Shigeshige is ridiculously MadeOfIron for someone who's supposed to be little more than a puppet figurehead. Then we find out that [[spoiler: as a young boy, Shigeshige switched places with his ninja body double, and that he went through a TrainingFromHell under the Oniwabanshuu.]]

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* Nobume's name is a MeaningfulName. Both ways. Her original name under the Naraku was "Mukuro", which meant "''corpse''", describing her only purpose in life if she only served them: bringing death and being punished by it if she failed them (basically, she was only a tool). Nobume, 信女, has the kanji for "confidence/belief/faith" and "woman". Now, considering that some years after her first appearance, it was revealed [[spoiler: that this was the name that Isaburo thought for his newborn daughter, and that he baptized Mukuro as "Nobume"]], "Nobume", it does show what kind of person Nobume turned up to be, instead: [[spoiler: that he believed that she wasn't a mere tool but a human that at the end changed her own destiny under his wing.]]
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* Even if his injuries are PlayedForLaughs, Shigeshige is ridiculously MadeOfIron for someone who's supposed to be little more than a puppet figurehead. Then we find out that [[spoiler: as a young boy, Shigeshige switched places with his ninja body double, and that he went through a TrainingFromHell under the Oniwabanshuu.]]




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* In the Scandal arc, despite Gintoki getting set up with a harem that includes Tsukoyo and Tae, there is no sign of complaint from Shinpachi and Kondo and Hinowa (their closest relatives, and stalker). This is a clear tipoff that the harem is a setup, because no way would any of those three, especially Kondo, be okay with letting an unpredictable bum like Gintoki be with their lady. They must have been warned beforehand so that they wouldn’t interfere.



* More like Fridge Ouch but oh well. In the Yoshiwara Arc when Kagura and Shinpachi fight Abuto is Shipachi hit so hard in his stomach that he starts bleeding internally. When that on it's own might hurt like hell, does he drag Kagura away from killing Abuto. Keep in mind, Kagura is heavy as lead, making it even more painful... Ripping his insides... Probably...
* The entire Shinigami arc when one know what happened before Gin-chan was sent there.
* Both Gin-chan and Hijikata are horrified of ghosts, and even though it's mostly PlayedForLaughs, one has to remember that Gin-chan grew up on the battlefield, and that Hijikata [[spoiler: went on a killing spree]] before he befriended the Shinsengumi. They are probably afraid to be visited by those ghosts, the ghosts of their pasts.
** It goes a hundred times scarier for Gintoki when you consider that before [[spoiler:he was forced to kill Shouyo in front of Takasugi and Katsura]], he also witnessed many of his comrades falling to their death during the Joui War. He feels guilty that he couldn't protect them all, and his nightmares sometimes feature this fright as well. During the Farewell, Shinsengumi arc, when [[spoiler: he unmasks Utsuro, he finds out that his fighting skills and physical looks are similar to Shouyo's[[note]]it's later revealed Shouyo is a personality/identity Utsuro assumed when he "dissapeared"[[/note]]]]. It raises some flags as well if you consider that, ''that'' is his ''living'' nightmare: [[spoiler: as if his mentor and father figure was brought up from beyond the grave just to ''punish'' him]].
** Also for Hijikata, he made dozens of men commit {{Seppuku}} at a slight suspecion of treachery. The real deal also made his ''best friend'' do it. Including to his [[spoiler:dead brother]] whom tried to save him. Now, imagine fearing the only person to ever truly accept you to judge and hate you...
* More Fridge Hurt than horror but in the Red Spider Arc notice the shocked expression on Gintoki's face when Tsukuyo [[spoiler: finished off her own master,]] a person that in Gintoki's own words she looked up to and wanted to be like, at that point you think he's just surprised but come Chapter 521 and one can only imagine the pain of the memories rushing back to him.

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* More like Fridge Ouch but oh well. In the Yoshiwara Arc when Kagura and Shinpachi fight Abuto is Shipachi hit so hard in his stomach that he starts bleeding internally. When that on it's own might hurt like hell, does he drag Kagura away from killing Abuto. Keep in mind, Kagura is heavy as lead, making it even more painful... Ripping his insides... Probably...
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* Both Gin-chan and Hijikata are horrified of ghosts, and even though it's mostly PlayedForLaughs, one has to remember that Gin-chan grew up on the battlefield, and that Hijikata [[spoiler: went on a killing spree]] spree before he befriended the Shinsengumi. They are probably afraid to be visited by those ghosts, the ghosts of their pasts.
** It goes a hundred times scarier for Gintoki when you consider that before [[spoiler:he he was forced to kill Shouyo in front of Takasugi and Katsura]], Katsura, he also witnessed many of his comrades falling to their death during the Joui War. He feels guilty that he couldn't protect them all, and his nightmares sometimes feature this fright as well. During the Farewell, Shinsengumi arc, when [[spoiler: he unmasks Utsuro, he finds out that his fighting skills and physical looks are similar to Shouyo's[[note]]it's later revealed Shouyo is a personality/identity Utsuro assumed when he "dissapeared"[[/note]]]]. "dissapeared"[[/note]]. It raises some flags as well if you consider that, ''that'' that that is his ''living'' living nightmare: [[spoiler: as if his mentor and father figure was brought up from beyond the grave just to ''punish'' him]].punish him.
** Also for Hijikata, he made dozens of men commit {{Seppuku}} at a slight suspecion suspicion of treachery. The real deal also made his ''best friend'' do it. Including to his [[spoiler:dead brother]] dead brother whom tried to save him. Now, imagine fearing the only person to ever truly accept you to judge and hate you...
* More Fridge Hurt than horror but in the Red Spider Arc notice the shocked expression on Gintoki's face when Tsukuyo [[spoiler: finished off her own master,]] a person that in Gintoki's own words she looked up to and wanted to be like, at that point you think he's just surprised but come Chapter 521 and one can only imagine the pain of the memories rushing back to him.
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* The twist of the Shogun Assassination Arc is that [[spoiler:Hattori didn't kill the Shogun, he killed his double. But the Shogun's doubles were all fellow Oniwaban, and a few were his friends. Even if it wasn't the Shogun, he was forced to kill one of his friends for a ploy.]]

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* The twist of the Shogun Assassination Arc is that [[spoiler:Hattori Hattori didn't kill the Shogun, he killed his double. But the Shogun's doubles were all fellow Oniwaban, and a few were his friends. Even if it wasn't the Shogun, he was forced to kill one of his friends for a ploy.]]



* Utsuro's goal is [[spoiler:[[DeathSeeker to die]], but he's immortal. But the source of his immortality is earth's energy. Why can't he just take a hike to another planet and live out his life there? Then again, hardly anyone knows how an immortal like him can die...]]
* In the Scandal arc, despite Gintoki getting set up with a harem that includes Tsukoyo and Tae, there is no sign of complaint from Shinpachi and Kondo and Hinowa (their closest relatives, and stalker). [[spoiler: This is a clear tipoff that the harem is a setup, because no way would any of those three, especially Kondo, be okay with letting an unpredictable bum like Gintoki be with their lady. They must have been warned beforehand so that they wouldn’t interfere.]]

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* Utsuro's goal is [[spoiler:[[DeathSeeker [[DeathSeeker to die]], but he's immortal. But the source of his immortality is earth's energy. Why can't he just take a hike to another planet and live out his life there? Then again, hardly anyone knows how an immortal like him can die...]]
* In the Scandal arc, despite Gintoki getting set up with a harem that includes Tsukoyo and Tae, there is no sign of complaint from Shinpachi and Kondo and Hinowa (their closest relatives, and stalker). [[spoiler: This is a clear tipoff that the harem is a setup, because no way would any of those three, especially Kondo, be okay with letting an unpredictable bum like Gintoki be with their lady. They must have been warned beforehand so that they wouldn’t interfere.]]
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* In the anime, the first episode of ''Gintama.'' had the Odd Jobs characters pick up one of [[Manga/TheDisastrousLifeOfSaikiK Kusuo Saiki]]'s {{Power Limiter}}s when they move back into their old timeslot. Considering how much raw, uncontrolled power he has without one of them on in his home series, just what did Saiki accidentally do to leave the void Gintoki and the gang walked into?
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* Utsuro's goal is [[spoiler:[[DeathSeeker to die]], but he's immortal. But the source of his immortality is earth's energy. Why can't he just take a hike to another planet and live out his life there? Then again, hardly anyone knows how an immortal like him can die...]]

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* Utsuro's goal is [[spoiler:[[DeathSeeker to die]], but he's immortal. But the source of his immortality is earth's energy. Why can't he just take a hike to another planet and live out his life there? Then again, hardly anyone knows how an immortal like him can die...]]
* In the Scandal arc, despite Gintoki getting set up with a harem that includes Tsukoyo and Tae, there is no sign of complaint from Shinpachi and Kondo and Hinowa (their closest relatives, and stalker). [[spoiler: This is a clear tipoff that the harem is a setup, because no way would any of those three, especially Kondo, be okay with letting an unpredictable bum like Gintoki be with their lady. They must have been warned beforehand so that they wouldn’t interfere.
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* The twist of the Shogun Assassination Arc is that [[spoiler:Hattori didn't kill the Shogun, he killed his double. But the Shogun's doubles were all fellow Oniwaban, and a few were his friends. Even if it wasn't the Shogun, he was forced to kill one of his friends for a ploy.]]



* In Kagura's death arc, Okita said that Gin and Shinpachi would realize that Kagura's alive if they love her. And yet, he's the first to find out. Is that a love confession? Granted, it could be love as friend or family, but still.

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* In Kagura's death arc, Okita said that Gin and Shinpachi would realize that Kagura's alive if they love her. And yet, he's the first to find out. Is that a love confession? Granted, it could be love as friend or family, but still.still.
* Utsuro's goal is [[spoiler:[[DeathSeeker to die]], but he's immortal. But the source of his immortality is earth's energy. Why can't he just take a hike to another planet and live out his life there? Then again, hardly anyone knows how an immortal like him can die...]]
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* Mutsu's name makes sense in hindsight, given that Sakamoto Ryouma's favorite sword was the ''Mutsunokami''. The reason why she's so adept in physical combat and is capable of leading the Kihetai is because she's Tatsuma's ''metaphorical'' sword instead of his literal one. It's also the name of an actual diplomat, Mutsu Munemitsu.

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* Mutsu's name makes sense in hindsight, given that Sakamoto Ryouma's favorite sword was the ''Mutsunokami''. The reason why she's so adept in physical combat and is capable of leading the Kihetai is because she's Tatsuma's ''metaphorical'' sword instead of his literal one. It's also the name of an actual diplomat, Mutsu Munemitsu.
Munemitsu--who was one of the real-life Ryoma's most competent administrator/co-member in the Kaientai.
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* Mutsu's name makes sense in hindsight, given that Sakamoto Ryouma's favorite sword was the ''Mutsunokami''. The reason why she's so adept in physical combat and is capable of leading the Kihetai is because she's Tatsuma's ''metaphorical'' sword instead of his literal one.

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* Mutsu's name makes sense in hindsight, given that Sakamoto Ryouma's favorite sword was the ''Mutsunokami''. The reason why she's so adept in physical combat and is capable of leading the Kihetai is because she's Tatsuma's ''metaphorical'' sword instead of his literal one.
one. It's also the name of an actual diplomat, Mutsu Munemitsu.
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* Mutsu's name makes sense in hindsight, given that Sakamoto Ryouma's sword is the ''Mutsunokami''. The reason why she's so adept in physical combat and is capable of leading the Kihetai is because she's Tatsuma's ''metaphorical'' sword instead of his literal one.

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* Mutsu's name makes sense in hindsight, given that Sakamoto Ryouma's favorite sword is was the ''Mutsunokami''. The reason why she's so adept in physical combat and is capable of leading the Kihetai is because she's Tatsuma's ''metaphorical'' sword instead of his literal one.
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* Mutsu's name makes sense in hindsight, given that Sakamoto Ryouma's sword is the ''Mutsunokami''. The reason why she's so adept in physical combat and is capable of leading the Kihetai is because she's Tatsuma's ''metaphorical'' sword instead of his literal one.
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* Why doesn't Gintoki tell his story to Shinpachi, Kagura and the audience with his own words? Why does he always send them away in battles? Why does he always hide his back [[that's covered in scars]]? He doesn't want to drag them into his bloody past.

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* Why doesn't Gintoki tell his story to Shinpachi, Kagura and the audience with his own words? Why does he always send them away in battles? Why does he always hide his back [[that's [[spoiler:that's covered in scars]]? He doesn't want to drag them into his bloody past.past and see that he's a murderer (unwilling yes but still).

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* Of course [[spoiler:Elizabeth]] is a royal, It comes with the stereotypically royal name! He even shares his birthday with the [[spoiler:Queen]]!

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* Why doesn't Gintoki tell his story to Shinpachi, Kagura and the audience with his own words? Why does he always send them away in battles? Why does he always hide his back [[that's covered in scars]]? He doesn't want to drag them into his bloody past.
* Of course [[spoiler:Elizabeth]] is a royal, It comes with the stereotypically royal name! He even shares his birthday with one of the [[spoiler:Queen]]![[spoiler:Queens bearing the name]]!
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* Of course [[spoiler:Elizabeth]] is a royal, It comes with the stereotypically royal name!

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* Of course [[spoiler:Elizabeth]] is a royal, It comes with the stereotypically royal name!name! He even shares his birthday with the [[spoiler:Queen]]!

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* Apperances can be decieving is a common theme. [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angelic]] Blu-Rayko is like a grim reaper, doing everything to kill Gintoki in her power. While the grim reaper esque Asaemon is coming to judge him but like an angel gives him a chance to make up for his sins and get forgiveness. This was in fact {{foreshadowed}} early on with Kagura entering sadist mode in an angel costume and usually NiceGirl Anime/{{Heidi}} dragging him to hell.

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* Of course [[spoiler:Elizabeth]] is a royal, It comes with the stereotypically royal name!
* Apperances can be decieving is a common theme. [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angelic]] Angelic]] Blu-Rayko is like a grim reaper, doing everything to kill Gintoki in her power. While the grim reaper esque Asaemon is coming to judge him but like an angel gives him a chance to make up for his sins and get forgiveness. This was in fact {{foreshadowed}} early on with Kagura entering sadist mode in an angel costume and usually NiceGirl Anime/{{Heidi}} dragging him to hell.
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* What would've happened to Gintoki's psyche if Abuto had killed Kagura and Shinpachi..? Too horrifying to imagine...
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* Apperances can be decieving is a common theme. [[OurAngelsAreDifferent angelic]] Blu-Rayko is like a grim reaper, doing everything to kill Gintoki in her power. While the grim reaper esque Asaemon is coming to judge him but like an angel gives him a chance to make up for his sins and get forgiveness. This was in fact {{foreshadowed}} early on with Kagura entering sadist mode in an angel costume and usually NiceGirl Anime/{{Heidi}} dragging him to hell.
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** Also for Hijikata, he made dozens of men commit {{Seppuku}} at a slight suspecion of treachery. The real deal also made his ''best friend'' do it. Including to his [[spoiler:dead brother]] whom tried to save him. Now, imagine fearing the only person to ever truly accept you to judge and hate you...
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* Even if his injuries are PlayedForLaughs, Shigeshige is ridiculously MadeOfIron for someone who's supposed to be little more than a puppet figurehead. Then we find out that [[spoiler: As a young boy Shigeshige switched places with his body double and has been undergoing a TrainingFromHell ever since then.]]

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* Even if his injuries are PlayedForLaughs, Shigeshige is ridiculously MadeOfIron for someone who's supposed to be little more than a puppet figurehead. Then we find out that [[spoiler: As as a young boy boy, Shigeshige switched places with his ninja body double double, and has been undergoing that he went through a TrainingFromHell ever since then.under the Oniwabanshuu.]]
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* Gintoki drinks ''a lot.'' It's usually played for laughs, like sticking his head in a vending machine or when a bunch of Kabukicho's women pranked him to get him to ease up on the sauce. But with a past like his...
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* Even if his injuries are PlayedForLaughs, Shigeshige is ridiculously MadeOfIron for someone who's supposed to be little more than a puppet figurehead. Then we find out that [[spoiler: As a young boy Shigeshige switched places with his body double and has been undergoing a TrainingFromHell ever since then.]]
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** It goes a hundred times scarier for Gintoki when you consider that before [[spoiler:he was forced to kill Shouyo in front of Takasugi and Katsura]], he also witnessed many of his comrades falling to their death during the Joui War. He feels guilty that he couldn't protect them all, and his nightmares sometimes feature this fright as well. During the Farewell, Shinsengumi arc, when [[spoiler: he unmasks Utsuro, he finds out that his fighting skills and physical looks are similar to Shouyo's[[note]]it's still unclear as of June 2015 if he is indeed ''him''[[/note]]]]. It raises some flags as well if you consider that, ''that'' is his ''living'' nightmare: [[spoiler: as if his mentor and father figure was brought up from beyond the grave just to ''punish'' him]].

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** It goes a hundred times scarier for Gintoki when you consider that before [[spoiler:he was forced to kill Shouyo in front of Takasugi and Katsura]], he also witnessed many of his comrades falling to their death during the Joui War. He feels guilty that he couldn't protect them all, and his nightmares sometimes feature this fright as well. During the Farewell, Shinsengumi arc, when [[spoiler: he unmasks Utsuro, he finds out that his fighting skills and physical looks are similar to Shouyo's[[note]]it's still unclear as of June 2015 if later revealed Shouyo is a personality/identity Utsuro assumed when he is indeed ''him''[[/note]]]]."dissapeared"[[/note]]]]. It raises some flags as well if you consider that, ''that'' is his ''living'' nightmare: [[spoiler: as if his mentor and father figure was brought up from beyond the grave just to ''punish'' him]].
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* Nobume's name is a MeaningfulName. Both ways. Her original name under the Naraku was "Mukuro", which meant "''corpse''", describing her only purpose in life if she only served them: bringing death and being punished by it if she failed them (basically, she was only a tool). Nobume, 信女, has the kanji for "confidence/belief/faith" and "woman". Now, considering that some years after her first appearance, it was revealed [[spoiler: that this was the name that Isaburo thought for his newborn daughter, and that he baptized Mukuro as "Nobume"]], it does show what kind of person Nobume turned up to be, instead: [[spoiler: that he believed that she wasn't a mere tool but a human that at the end changed her own destiny under his wing.]]



* Well only for the characters themselves but, Both Gin-chan and Hijikata are horrified of ghosts. When one remember that, Gin-chan [[spoiler: grew up on the battlefield]], and Hijikata [[spoiler: went on a killing spree]] before he befriended the Shinsengumi. They are probably afraid to be visited by those ghosts, the ghosts of their pasts.

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* Well only for the characters themselves but, Both Gin-chan and Hijikata are horrified of ghosts. When ghosts, and even though it's mostly PlayedForLaughs, one has to remember that, that Gin-chan [[spoiler: grew up on the battlefield]], battlefield, and that Hijikata [[spoiler: went on a killing spree]] before he befriended the Shinsengumi. They are probably afraid to be visited by those ghosts, the ghosts of their pasts.pasts.
** It goes a hundred times scarier for Gintoki when you consider that before [[spoiler:he was forced to kill Shouyo in front of Takasugi and Katsura]], he also witnessed many of his comrades falling to their death during the Joui War. He feels guilty that he couldn't protect them all, and his nightmares sometimes feature this fright as well. During the Farewell, Shinsengumi arc, when [[spoiler: he unmasks Utsuro, he finds out that his fighting skills and physical looks are similar to Shouyo's[[note]]it's still unclear as of June 2015 if he is indeed ''him''[[/note]]]]. It raises some flags as well if you consider that, ''that'' is his ''living'' nightmare: [[spoiler: as if his mentor and father figure was brought up from beyond the grave just to ''punish'' him]].
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* More Fridge Hurt than horror but in the Red Spider Arc notice the shocked expression on Gintoki's face when Tsukuyo [[spoiler: finished off her own master,]] a person that in Gintoki's own words she looked up to and wanted to be like, at that point you think he's just surprised but come Chapter 521 and one can only imagine the pain of the memories rushing back to him.
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* Well only for the characters themselves but, Both Gin-chan and Hijikata are horrified of ghosts. When one remember that, Gin-chan [[spoiler: grew up on the battlefield]], and Hijikata [[spoiler: went on a killing spree]] before he befriended the Shinsengumi. They are probably afraid to be visited by those ghosts, the ghosts of their pasts.
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* More like Fridge Ouch but oh well. In the Yoshiwara Arc when Kagura and Shinpachi fight Abuto is Shipachi hit so hard in his stomach that he starts bleeding internally. When that on it's own might hurt like hell, does he drag Kagura away from killing Abuto. Keep in mind, Kagura is heavy as lead, making it even more painful...

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* More like Fridge Ouch but oh well. In the Yoshiwara Arc when Kagura and Shinpachi fight Abuto is Shipachi hit so hard in his stomach that he starts bleeding internally. When that on it's own might hurt like hell, does he drag Kagura away from killing Abuto. Keep in mind, Kagura is heavy as lead, making it even more painful... Ripping his insides... Probably...
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* More like Fridge Ouch but oh well. In the Yoshiwara Arc when Kagura and Shinpachi fight Abuto is Shipachi hit so hard in his stomach that he starts bleeding internally. When that on it's own might hurt like hell, does he drag Kagura away from killing Abuto. Keep in mind, Kagura is heavy as lead, making it even more painful...
* The entire Shinigami arc when one know what happened before Gin-chan was sent there.
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* In Kagura's death arc, Okita said that Gin and Shinpachi would realize that Kagura's alive if they love her. And yet, he's the first to find out. Is that a love confession? Granted, it could be love as friend or family, but still.

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