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!! Fridge Logic
* Deirdre is forbidden from meeting men [[spoiler:for fear that she will give birth to a kid with major Loptous blood]]. But the fact of her existence means that either ''she'' is the first one to be given this restriction, or people in her family just cannot avoid getting married despite sequestering themselves in the Spirit Forest for generations.
** In the Oosawa manga, the elder of the group wasn't too happy to see her with Sigurd but accepted Deirdre's decision to leave. Perhaps she believed that it was Deirdre's destiny and [[YouCantFightFate she can't go against it]], or that the other [[spoiler:Loptous blood]] people had been extinguished after several generations of them being hunted down. (And indeed, [[spoiler:Manfroy tells Arvis that the persecution against Loptr is still on, and that if people learned he had Loptous blood he'd be [[BurnTheWitch burned at the stake]].]])
** Also it's likely that the former people of her lineage married persons that were from the Spirit Forest village and were guaranteed to [[spoiler:not be Lopts]]; [[spoiler:Manfroy took care to make sure that, for Julius to be born, ''two'' people with minor Loptous had kids. (Them being Deirdre and Arvis, obviously.)]] Deirdre's mom was a sort-of special case: [[spoiler:Cigyun's hinted to have ''escaped'' from the Spirit Forest to see the outside world, which led to her marrying Viktor/having Arvis/being cheated on/cheating with Kurth/getting preggers with Deirdre/running back to the Forest when everything blew up in her face/giving birth to Deirdre and dying]].
*** Indeed. The specific rule is that [[spoiler:people with Loptous blood are forbidden to have more than one child to prevent people like Manfroy from trying to use them to make a child with major Loptous blood. Cigyun ended up giving birth to two children with minor Loptous blood. She presumably told the people in the forest that she had another child, but died before she could reveal who he was, hence the specific prohibition on Deirdre's part.]]
* How old are Azel and Arvis? Arvis is confirmed to be seven years older at the most, since he was seven when their father died. And then there's [[spoiler:Deirdre...]]. [[spoiler:Given the timeline... When Arvis was seven, his father Viktor committed suicide because he found out about Cigyun having an affair that resulted in Deirdre. Deirdre is eighteen at the start of the game. If Cigyun ran away right before or after Viktor committed suicide... then Azel would have to be older than Deirdre.]]
** I think [[spoiler:Azel and Deirdre]] are about the same age, give or take a few months.
** Original poster back. Yeah, probably. That was a mistake on my part. I thought that [[OlderThanTheyLook Azel was about fourteen]] and [[YoungerThanTheyLook Deirdre was about twenty.]]
* In regards to the aftermath of Chapter 5, how did [[spoiler:most of the female characters survive the Battle of Belhalla without being captured and enslaved by TheEmpire? They seem to have enough time to do their own thing in between the time skip, some survive to appear in the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776 next game]] (Brigid), while others, like Lachesis, died sometime after the battle. Even then, the massive meteor strikes in a small setting should kill all of them already]].
** I know it sounds like a cop out, but keep in mind all that A) meteor has a pretty low hit rate, and B) the units surrounding everyone are mages with low defence. The army likely put up a fight to escape, but had to split up to avoid being caught. They never regrouped because they no longer had a leader to rally under.
* Is there explanation in any WordOfGod or tie-in about why Lewyn's uncles start a civil war in the particular way they do? It isn't a situation where an uncle got knocked out of succession by an unexpected baby, since their lack of Forseti blood means they wouldn't be in line for the throne according to Silesse's laws. And Rahna has been ruling as regent since the king's death, and she ''also'' lacks Forseti blood, so they could have moved against her at any point whether Prince Lewyn was in hiding or not. Wouldn't have been easier for them to rebel against her whenever they felt like it instead of waiting for Lewyn and his indisputable claim to return?
** Rahna is noted to be very popular among Silesse’s people. It’s possible that that kept Lewyn’s uncles from rebelling for several years, but eventually the lack of a stable ruler (plus Lewyn’s departure) led to unrest amongst the people. Lewyn’s uncles could have used those years to sow discord among the people, possibly even arguing that Forseti blood was unnecessary to rule. Lewyn’s return may have been the spark that led to the civil war, with his uncles realizing that now that he’d returned, they needed to move fast if they wanted a chance to actually take the throne.
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* The first Holy War was actually only about a hundred years ago. This would explain why the Loptous Sect survived the years after the war (wasn't too long for them to die off), why some characters (Scipio) don't have Holy Blood despite being nobility, and why the power of the Crusader Weapons faded in later games (they weren't meant to last, and only still work in the game because they're not that old).
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* The first Holy War was actually only about a hundred years ago. This would explain why the Loptous Sect Loptr Church survived the years after the war (wasn't too long for them to die off), why some characters (Scipio) don't have Holy Blood despite being nobility, and why the power of the Crusader Weapons faded in later games (they weren't meant to last, and only still work in the game because they're not that old).
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* Deirdre is forbidden from meeting men [[spoiler:for fear that she will give birth to a kid with major Lopt blood]]. But the fact of her existence means that either ''she'' is the first one to be given this restriction, or people in her family just cannot avoid getting married despite sequestering themselves in the Spirit Forest for generations.
** In the Oosawa manga, the elder of the group wasn't too happy to see her with Sigurd but accepted Deirdre's decision to leave. Perhaps she believed that it was Deirdre's destiny and [[YouCantFightFate she can't go against it]], or that the other [[spoiler:Lopt blood]] people had been extinguished after several generations of them being hunted down. (And indeed, [[spoiler:Manfroy tells Arvis that the persecution against Lopts is still on, and that if people learned he had Lopt blood he'd be [[BurnTheWitch burned at the stake]].]])
** Also it's likely that the former people of her lineage married persons that were from the Spirit Forest village and were guaranteed to [[spoiler:not be Lopts]]; [[spoiler:Manfroy took care to make sure that, for Julius to be born, ''two'' people with minor Lopt had kids. (Them being Deirdre and Arvis, obviously.)]] Deirdre's mom was a sort-of special case: [[spoiler:Cigyun's hinted to have ''escaped'' from the Spirit Forest to see the outside world, which led to her marrying Viktor/having Arvis/being cheated on/cheating with Kurth/getting preggers with Deirdre/running back to the Forest when everything blew up in her face/giving birth to Deirdre and dying]].
*** Indeed. The specific rule is that [[spoiler:people with Lopt blood are forbidden to have more than one child to prevent people like Manfroy from trying to use them to make a child with major Lopt blood. Cigyun ended up giving birth to two children with minor Lopt blood. She presumably told the people in the forest that she had another child, but died before she could reveal who he was, hence the specific prohibition on Deirdre's part.]]
** In the Oosawa manga, the elder of the group wasn't too happy to see her with Sigurd but accepted Deirdre's decision to leave. Perhaps she believed that it was Deirdre's destiny and [[YouCantFightFate she can't go against it]], or that the other [[spoiler:Lopt blood]] people had been extinguished after several generations of them being hunted down. (And indeed, [[spoiler:Manfroy tells Arvis that the persecution against Lopts is still on, and that if people learned he had Lopt blood he'd be [[BurnTheWitch burned at the stake]].]])
** Also it's likely that the former people of her lineage married persons that were from the Spirit Forest village and were guaranteed to [[spoiler:not be Lopts]]; [[spoiler:Manfroy took care to make sure that, for Julius to be born, ''two'' people with minor Lopt had kids. (Them being Deirdre and Arvis, obviously.)]] Deirdre's mom was a sort-of special case: [[spoiler:Cigyun's hinted to have ''escaped'' from the Spirit Forest to see the outside world, which led to her marrying Viktor/having Arvis/being cheated on/cheating with Kurth/getting preggers with Deirdre/running back to the Forest when everything blew up in her face/giving birth to Deirdre and dying]].
*** Indeed. The specific rule is that [[spoiler:people with Lopt blood are forbidden to have more than one child to prevent people like Manfroy from trying to use them to make a child with major Lopt blood. Cigyun ended up giving birth to two children with minor Lopt blood. She presumably told the people in the forest that she had another child, but died before she could reveal who he was, hence the specific prohibition on Deirdre's part.]]
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* Deirdre is forbidden from meeting men [[spoiler:for fear that she will give birth to a kid with major Lopt Loptous blood]]. But the fact of her existence means that either ''she'' is the first one to be given this restriction, or people in her family just cannot avoid getting married despite sequestering themselves in the Spirit Forest for generations.
** In the Oosawa manga, the elder of the group wasn't too happy to see her with Sigurd but accepted Deirdre's decision to leave. Perhaps she believed that it was Deirdre's destiny and [[YouCantFightFate she can't go against it]], or that the other[[spoiler:Lopt [[spoiler:Loptous blood]] people had been extinguished after several generations of them being hunted down. (And indeed, [[spoiler:Manfroy tells Arvis that the persecution against Lopts Loptr is still on, and that if people learned he had Lopt Loptous blood he'd be [[BurnTheWitch burned at the stake]].]])
** Also it's likely that the former people of her lineage married persons that were from the Spirit Forest village and were guaranteed to [[spoiler:not be Lopts]]; [[spoiler:Manfroy took care to make sure that, for Julius to be born, ''two'' people with minorLopt Loptous had kids. (Them being Deirdre and Arvis, obviously.)]] Deirdre's mom was a sort-of special case: [[spoiler:Cigyun's hinted to have ''escaped'' from the Spirit Forest to see the outside world, which led to her marrying Viktor/having Arvis/being cheated on/cheating with Kurth/getting preggers with Deirdre/running back to the Forest when everything blew up in her face/giving birth to Deirdre and dying]].
*** Indeed. The specific rule is that [[spoiler:people withLopt Loptous blood are forbidden to have more than one child to prevent people like Manfroy from trying to use them to make a child with major Lopt Loptous blood. Cigyun ended up giving birth to two children with minor Lopt Loptous blood. She presumably told the people in the forest that she had another child, but died before she could reveal who he was, hence the specific prohibition on Deirdre's part.]]
** In the Oosawa manga, the elder of the group wasn't too happy to see her with Sigurd but accepted Deirdre's decision to leave. Perhaps she believed that it was Deirdre's destiny and [[YouCantFightFate she can't go against it]], or that the other
** Also it's likely that the former people of her lineage married persons that were from the Spirit Forest village and were guaranteed to [[spoiler:not be Lopts]]; [[spoiler:Manfroy took care to make sure that, for Julius to be born, ''two'' people with minor
*** Indeed. The specific rule is that [[spoiler:people with
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** Rahna is noted to be very popular among Silesse’s people. It’s possible that that kept Lewyn’s uncles from rebelling for several years, but eventually the lack of a stable ruler (plus Lewyn’s departure) led to unrest amongst the people. Lewyn’s uncles could have used those years to sow discord among the people, possibly even arguing that Forseti blood was unnecessary to rule.
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** Rahna is noted to be very popular among Silesse’s people. It’s possible that that kept Lewyn’s uncles from rebelling for several years, but eventually the lack of a stable ruler (plus Lewyn’s departure) led to unrest amongst the people. Lewyn’s uncles could have used those years to sow discord among the people, possibly even arguing that Forseti blood was unnecessary to rule.
rule. Lewyn’s return may have been the spark that led to the civil war, with his uncles realizing that now that he’d returned, they needed to move fast if they wanted a chance to actually take the throne.
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** Rahna is noted to be very popular among Silesse’s people. It’s possible that that kept Lewyn’s uncles from rebelling for several years, but eventually the lack of a stable ruler (plus Lewyn’s departure) led to unrest amongst the people. Lewyn’s uncles could have used those years to sow discord among the people, possibly even arguing that Forseti blood was unnecessary to rule.
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* Is there explanation in any WordOfGod or tie-in about why Lewyn's uncles start a civil war in the particular way they do? It isn't a situation where an uncle got knocked out of succession by an unexpected baby, since their lack of Forseti blood means they wouldn't be in line for the throne according to Silesse's laws. And Rahna has been ruling as regent since the king's death, and she ''also'' lacks Forseti blood, so they could have moved against her at any point whether Prince Lewyn was in hiding or not. Wouldn't have been easier for them to rebel against her whenever they felt like it instead of waiting for Lewyn and his indisputable claim to return?
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I think this game is already used as an example of at least one of those tropes, and it's heavily implied to be the case in the gameplay, regardless.
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* Despite the maps in ''Genealogy'' being gigantic, the territories of nations seem tiny, especially in maps where castles are relatively closely placed together. But Jugdral in general is supposed to be a TheDungAges look on ''Fire Emblem''. Territories really were relatively small compared to today's world; nation-building hasn't taken place yet! [[spoiler:At least, at the start of the game...]]
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* Despite the maps in ''Genealogy'' being gigantic, the territories of nations seem tiny, especially in maps where castles are relatively closely placed together. But Jugdral in general is supposed to be a TheDungAges look on ''Fire Emblem''. Territories really were relatively small compared to today's world; nation-building hasn't taken place yet! [[spoiler:At least, at the start of the game...]]]]. However, since single turns are usually impled to take at least an entire day in-universe, it's also very likely that tropes like UnitsNotToScale and SpaceCompression are at play when it comes to the maps. It's the only way you could meaningfully fit an entire nation, or most of it, into a single chapter and still make it playable.
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* Philip, the Heirhein general in Chapter 2, orders his men to form a defensive line after Elliot's cavalry squad have rushed off to attack Nordion. This doesn't make sense from a story standpoint – Heirhein doesn't know that Grannvale is going to be involved in the civil war, so why would Heirhein defend its castle if it's fighting against ''Nordion'', whose military might at the time is essentially three Cross Knights? The Suzuki novelization offers an answer: Philip found it improper for the Agustrian lords to infight, but couldn't speak out against his own lord. Instead, he ordered his men to remain put to avoid escalating the senseless battle that Elliot was waging.
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* Chapter 2 is chock-full of this.
** It's clear from the get-go that the Agustrian nobles don't respect the throne one bit, considering how Elliot blatantly ignores a peace treaty for the sake of personal glory. Boldor of Heirhein is the only one who follows Chagall's order to attack, because he sees it as a mutually beneficial action – it's his opportunity to get even with Eldigan after he humiliated Elliot. It looks like he's obeying, but Boldor's really just doing this for himself.
** Philip, the Heirhein general in Chapter 2, orders his men to form a defensive line after Elliot's cavalry squad have rushed off to attack Nordion. This doesn't make sense from a story standpoint – Heirhein doesn't know that Grannvale is going to be involved in the civil war, so why would Heirhein defend its castle if it's fighting against ''Nordion'', whose military might at the time is essentially three Cross Knights? The Suzuki novelization offers an answer: Philip found it improper for the Agustrian lords to infight, but couldn't speak out against his own lord. Instead, he ordered his men to remain put to avoid escalating the senseless battle that Elliot waswaging.
waging.
** Macbeth of Anphony has a relatively small army compared to Heirhein and Mackily, and the vast majority of his soldiers are hired mercenaries from Voltz's corps. The ratio of mercenaries to soldiers is a sign of both the Anphony people's dissatisfaction with Macbeth's rule (less people want to support him and join his army) and Macbeth's lavish lifestyle (as he's been exploiting the villages for wealth, he has a lot of money to throw around and can afford to buy an entire army of mercenaries)
** The loyal and honorable Eldigan, Zane, and Philip are staunchly different from corrupt nobles like Boldor and Macbeth. Agustria's title is "land of the knights", so it's natural that there'd be a few patriotic and genuinely good folks in this corrupt moshpit of a country.
** It's clear from the get-go that the Agustrian nobles don't respect the throne one bit, considering how Elliot blatantly ignores a peace treaty for the sake of personal glory. Boldor of Heirhein is the only one who follows Chagall's order to attack, because he sees it as a mutually beneficial action – it's his opportunity to get even with Eldigan after he humiliated Elliot. It looks like he's obeying, but Boldor's really just doing this for himself.
** Philip, the Heirhein general in Chapter 2, orders his men to form a defensive line after Elliot's cavalry squad have rushed off to attack Nordion. This doesn't make sense from a story standpoint – Heirhein doesn't know that Grannvale is going to be involved in the civil war, so why would Heirhein defend its castle if it's fighting against ''Nordion'', whose military might at the time is essentially three Cross Knights? The Suzuki novelization offers an answer: Philip found it improper for the Agustrian lords to infight, but couldn't speak out against his own lord. Instead, he ordered his men to remain put to avoid escalating the senseless battle that Elliot was
** Macbeth of Anphony has a relatively small army compared to Heirhein and Mackily, and the vast majority of his soldiers are hired mercenaries from Voltz's corps. The ratio of mercenaries to soldiers is a sign of both the Anphony people's dissatisfaction with Macbeth's rule (less people want to support him and join his army) and Macbeth's lavish lifestyle (as he's been exploiting the villages for wealth, he has a lot of money to throw around and can afford to buy an entire army of mercenaries)
** The loyal and honorable Eldigan, Zane, and Philip are staunchly different from corrupt nobles like Boldor and Macbeth. Agustria's title is "land of the knights", so it's natural that there'd be a few patriotic and genuinely good folks in this corrupt moshpit of a country.