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**** Keep in mind Clark was such a role model to Kara because of how he was raised on their Earth. Earth-X's Kal-El could have still come to Earth, and it would have been as a baby, and therefore he would have been raised in the Nazi ideology from the beginning. It's entirely possible that he was the one who managed to convert the teenage Kara to an ideology antithetical to how she was raised on Krypton.

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** Kara being Overgirl may seem odd at first, considering how she is usually so driven to help others. But, as Season 3 has repeatedly shown, Kara also has a very powerful sense of pride and of being above everyone and everything else, even with how she was raised. Earth-X would do nothing but encourage that view, meaning that instead of merely suppressing her emotions it's very easy to see how a Nazi-raised Kara could begin to see herself as an {{Ubermensch}}. In addition, Kara is basically the exact vision of the Nazi ideology's perfect being: tall, powerful, and blonde (although she does have grey-green rather than blue eyes). And while it might seem counter-intuitive that an ideology based on racial purity would accept a literal alien, historically the Nazis actually did make exceptions for non-Aryans they deemed useful or who could further their goals.

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** Kara being Overgirl may seem odd at first, considering how she is usually so driven to help others. But, as Season 3 has repeatedly shown, Kara also has a very powerful sense of pride and of being above everyone and everything else, even with how she was raised. Earth-X would do nothing but encourage that view, meaning that instead of merely suppressing her emotions it's very easy to see how a Nazi-raised Kara could begin to see herself as an {{Ubermensch}}. In addition, Kara is basically the exact vision of the Nazi ideology's perfect being: tall, powerful, and blonde (although she does have grey-green rather than blue eyes). And while it might seem counter-intuitive that an ideology based on racial purity would accept a literal alien, historically the Nazis actually did make exceptions for non-Aryans they deemed useful or who could further their goals. Eventually stated outright by Overgirl.
-->'''Overgirl:''' ''to Supergirl'' Oh please, we're everything they want to be. Blonde, white. Aryan perfection.... You're [[AGodAmI a god]] to them.
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*** Except that Kara was shocked to see Oliver use a Kryptonite arrow, so no one on her Earth could've helped him. As for the Legends, it's the same issue in that they were never even told about Kryptonite, and before the crossover, everyone was under the assumption that Kara, and by extension, Kryptonians, didn't exist on Earth One.

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*** Except that Kara was shocked to see Oliver use a Kryptonite arrow, so no one on her Earth could've helped him. As for the Legends, it's the same issue in that they were never even told about Kryptonite, and before the crossover, everyone was under the assumption that Kara, and by extension, Kryptonians, didn't exist on Earth One.Earth-1.




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*** Fair enough, but then we still run into the issue of Kara never mentioning Kryptonite the last two times she was on Earth-1. Even if it happened offscreen (for whatever reason), everyone was under the impression that nothing on Earth-38 existed on other Earths, hence their surprised reactions to Overgirl being an evil Kara. Oliver wouldn't have thought about Kryptonite being on other Earths except Kara's, and he couldn't have gotten it from there because J'onn and Superman got rid of all the Kryptonite in the beginning of season two.
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*** That's exactly why Cisco would have done something like that. If not Kara, Evil Dopplegangers aren't something he's naive about considering he's fought one himself, and they'd dealt with Kara being brainwashed herself. Also, who said anything about kill? Oliver's first shot was to her shoulder, not her heart.
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*** Yeah, but wouldn't it be OutOfCharacter for Cisco to try and figure out a way to kill one of their friends just in case they turn bad? The exact line of thought that let Snart become Captain Cold?
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* It is very heavily implied, given Stein correctly guessing that Earth-X’s PointOfDeparture is the Nazis gettin the Bomb, and the later appearance of [[spoiler:the Nazi-fied Waverider]], that the Legends only ''[[Recap/LegendsOfTomorrowS2E1OutOfTime barely]]'' prevented the Earth-X timeline.

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* It is very heavily implied, given Stein correctly guessing that Earth-X’s PointOfDeparture PointOfDivergence is the Nazis gettin the Bomb, and the later appearance of [[spoiler:the Nazi-fied Waverider]], that the Legends only ''[[Recap/LegendsOfTomorrowS2E1OutOfTime barely]]'' prevented the Earth-X timeline.
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* It is very heavily implied, given Stein correctly guessing that Earth-X’s PointOfDeparture is the Nazis gettin the Bomb, and the later appearance of [[spoiler:the Nazi-fied Waverider]], that the Legends only ''[[Recap/LegendsOfTomorrowS2E1OutOfTime barely]]'' prevented the Earth-X timeline.
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** Oliver and Tommy: Assuming their pasts are otherwise similar to on Earth-1, both are the sons of wealthy oligarchs, meaning that their fathers likely hold or held a lot of power, and would be able to use that to ensure the best training and positions for their sons. Alternatively, even if that's not true, Overgirl does say that Earth-X is a meritocracy. And we already know that the Queens and Merlyns are ''very'' good at fighting.

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** Oliver and Tommy: Assuming their pasts are otherwise similar to on Earth-1, Earth One, both are the sons of wealthy oligarchs, meaning that their fathers likely hold or held a lot of power, and would be able to use that to ensure the best training and positions for their sons. Alternatively, even if that's not true, Overgirl does say that Earth-X is a meritocracy. And we already know that the Queens and Merlyns are ''very'' good at fighting.



* The diverse characters of the Arrowverse gives the ensemble of Heroes and Legends one of the strongest reasons to utterly despise Nazis any superhero team has ever had, and provide a convenient explanation as to why there was no attempt at convincing any of the Earth-1 people to change sides: of the total of 21 heroes, MissionControl team members, [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mick]] from Earth-1, Earth-2, and Earth-X who appear in the crossover, only Mick, Roy, and Harry don't have an automatic personal reason to have complete contempt for Nazism. The rest are Jewish, non-"Aryan", gay/bisexual, or currently in a relationship with or have a family member who is.

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* The diverse characters of the Arrowverse gives the ensemble of Heroes and Legends one of the strongest reasons to utterly despise Nazis any superhero team has ever had, and provide a convenient explanation as to why there was no attempt at convincing any of the Earth-1 Earth One people to change sides: of the total of 21 heroes, MissionControl team members, [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mick]] from Earth-1, Earth One, Earth-2, and Earth-X who appear in the crossover, only Mick, Roy, and Harry don't have an automatic personal reason to have complete contempt for Nazism. The rest are Jewish, non-"Aryan", gay/bisexual, or currently in a relationship with or have a family member who is.



*** Except that Kara was shocked to see Oliver use a Kryptonite arrow, so no one on her Earth could've helped him. As for the Legends, it's the same issue in that they were never even told about Kryptonite, and before the crossover, everyone was under the assumption that Kara, and by extension, Kryptonians, didn't exist on Earth-1.

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*** Except that Kara was shocked to see Oliver use a Kryptonite arrow, so no one on her Earth could've helped him. As for the Legends, it's the same issue in that they were never even told about Kryptonite, and before the crossover, everyone was under the assumption that Kara, and by extension, Kryptonians, didn't exist on Earth-1.Earth One.



** Oliver probably realized how utterly, ''hilariously'' outgunned he was faced with a Kryptonian. With Barry and other metahumans he's dealt with he and the team could come up with some method of dealing with them, but Kara was completely beyond anything Earth-1 had to offer, with no known weaknesses except alien mind-control. If he figured out there was a possibility there was a Krypton in his universe and there was no way anyone would be able to deal with them, he could very well have asked had Cisco to do some research, and Cisco might have asked Gypsy and Harry if they knew anything about Kryptonians anywhere in the multiverse, which would have led to Kryptonite.

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** Oliver probably realized how utterly, ''hilariously'' outgunned he was faced with a Kryptonian. With Barry and other metahumans he's dealt with he and the team could come up with some method of dealing with them, but Kara was completely beyond anything Earth-1 Earth One had to offer, with no known weaknesses except alien mind-control. If he figured out there was a possibility there was a Krypton in his universe and there was no way anyone would be able to deal with them, he could very well have asked had Cisco to do some research, and Cisco might have asked Gypsy and Harry if they knew anything about Kryptonians anywhere in the multiverse, which would have led to Kryptonite.
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* [[spoiler:Professor Stein all but begging Jax to sever their connection in order to save the latter has a double meaning. Stein could do nothing to save his first partner and Jax's predecessor, Ronnie Raymond. This time, he has the chance to save Jax, and he will do anything to make Jax live, even at the cost of his own life]].
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** Oliver and Tommy: Assuming their pasts are otherwise similar to on Earth One, both are the sons of wealthy oligarchs. Meaning that their fathers likely hold or held a lot of power, and would be able to use that to ensure the best training and positions for their sons. Alternatively, even if that's not true, Overgirl does say that Earth-X is a meritocracy. And we already know that the Queens and Merlyns are ''very'' good at fighting.

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** Oliver and Tommy: Assuming their pasts are otherwise similar to on Earth One, Earth-1, both are the sons of wealthy oligarchs. Meaning oligarchs, meaning that their fathers likely hold or held a lot of power, and would be able to use that to ensure the best training and positions for their sons. Alternatively, even if that's not true, Overgirl does say that Earth-X is a meritocracy. And we already know that the Queens and Merlyns are ''very'' good at fighting.
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* The diverse characters of the Arrowverse gives the ensemble of Heroes and Legends one of the strongest reasons to utterly despise Nazis any superhero team has ever had: of the total of 21 heroes, MissionControl team members, [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mick]] from Earth-1, Earth-2, and Earth-X who appear in the crossover, only Mick, Roy, and Harry don't have an automatic personal reason. The rest are Jewish, non-"Aryan", gay/bisexual, or currently in a relationship with or have a family member who is.

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* The diverse characters of the Arrowverse gives the ensemble of Heroes and Legends one of the strongest reasons to utterly despise Nazis any superhero team has ever had: had, and provide a convenient explanation as to why there was no attempt at convincing any of the Earth-1 people to change sides: of the total of 21 heroes, MissionControl team members, [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mick]] from Earth-1, Earth-2, and Earth-X who appear in the crossover, only Mick, Roy, and Harry don't have an automatic personal reason.reason to have complete contempt for Nazism. The rest are Jewish, non-"Aryan", gay/bisexual, or currently in a relationship with or have a family member who is.
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** Oliver probably realized how utterly, ''hilariously'' outgunned he was faced with a Kryptonian. With Barry and other metahumans he's dealt with he and the team could come up with some method of dealing with them, but Kara was completely beyond anything Earth-1 had to offer, with no known weaknesses except alien mind-control. If he figured out there was a possibility there was a Krypton in his universe and there was no way anyone would be able to deal with them, he could very well have asked had Cisco to do some research, and Cisco might have asked Gypsy and Harry if they knew anything about Kryptonians anywhere in the multiverse, which would have led to Kryptonite.
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* The diverse characters of the Arrowverse gives the ensemble of Heroes and Legends one of the strongest reasons to utterly despise Nazis any superhero team has ever had: of the total of 21 heroes, MissionControl team members, [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mick]] from Earth-1, Earth-2, and Earth-X who appear in the crossover, only Mick, Roy, and Harry don't have an automatic personal reason to despise Nazis. The rest are Jewish, non-"Aryan", gay/bisexual, or currently in a relationship with or have a family member who is.

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*** Except that Kara was shocked to see Oliver use a Kryptonite arrow, so no one on her Earth could've helped him. As for the Legends, it's the same issue in that they were never even told about Kryptonite, and before the crossover, everyone was under the assumption that Kara, and by extension, Kryptonians, didn't exist on Earth-1.
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%% Will add more examples when *** It's pretty obvious that there's no Kal-El on Earth-X (or at least none that anyone knows about). Without Clark being a role model regarding how to treat people without power, Kara could quite easily have taken to the rest airs.
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* While the out-of-universe reason for so many of the main characters' Earth-X versions to be {{evil|doppelganger}} is [[RuleOfCool obvious]], it also makes a lot of sense if you think about it.
** Oliver and Tommy: Assuming their pasts are otherwise similar to on Earth One, both are the sons of wealthy oligarchs. Meaning that their fathers likely hold or held a lot of power, and would be able to use that to ensure the best training and positions for their sons. Alternatively, even if that's not true, Overgirl does say that Earth-X is a meritocracy. And we already know that the Queens and Merlyns are ''very'' good at fighting.
** Kara being Overgirl may seem odd at first, considering how she is usually so driven to help others. But, as Season 3 has repeatedly shown, Kara also has a very powerful sense of pride and of being above everyone and everything else, even with how she was raised. Earth-X would do nothing but encourage that view, meaning that instead of merely suppressing her emotions it's very easy to see how a Nazi-raised Kara could begin to see herself as an {{Ubermensch}}. In addition, Kara is basically the exact vision of the Nazi ideology's perfect being: tall, powerful, and blonde (although she does have grey-green rather than blue eyes). And while it might seem counter-intuitive that an ideology based on racial purity would accept a literal alien, historically the Nazis actually did make exceptions for non-Aryans they deemed useful or who could further their goals.
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** Remember, Cisco can breach. It's entirely possible Oliver just asked Cisco if he knew of or could reach any place with Kryptonite.
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**The last two times Kara has come to Oliver's universe Kara was 1) Brainwashed by an alien and almost killed Oliver and 2) Was trapped in her own mind by villain along with Barry it makes sense Oliver would want a plan to deal with her. As for where he got it while J'onn got rid of the Kryptonite from the DEO it is entirely possible Kara knew where to get some and convinced Clark to let her give a piece to Oliver just in case she is ever on another world where he or J'onn aren't there to save her. The Legends are another possibility as well.
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Yes, I'm aware of that, which makes it all the more reason NOT to bring it up here and just let it stand as "they dislike them due to history." That said, using the "Reason" area as comment section isn't really good form.


* Considering the only experience Oliver had with Kryptonians was Kara herself, and he was never introduced to Kryptonite (in fact, Barry never was either), why does he even have any? Ostensibly it could have been synthesized, but why does he even know about it barring [[CompositeCharacter that one]] [[Franchise/{{Batman}} explanation]]?

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* Considering the only experience Oliver had with Kryptonians was Kara herself, and he was never introduced to Kryptonite (in fact, Barry never was either), why does he even have any? Ostensibly it could have been synthesized, but why does he even know about it barring [[CompositeCharacter that one]] [[Franchise/{{Batman}} explanation]]?explanation]]?

%%To avoid it in the future, let's not bring up the fact that people hate Nazis in this crossover as FridgeBrilliance. Especially on account of Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement.
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It's 2017. People complained when Wolfenstein had Nazi Killing.

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Is a hatred of Nazis really all that shocking? The bottom point even flat out says there's no real reason it should be a shock.


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* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his ex-fiancee and one of his good friends) and Alex (her adoptive sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.
** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was in high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.
** Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle. I know that the intent of this wasn't to say that it's uncommon for Americans to oppose nazism, but...just sayin'.v

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* Considering the only experience Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his ex-fiancee and one of his good friends) and Alex (her adoptive sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and had with Kryptonians was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.
** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle).
Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, herself, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was in high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.
** Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons
never introduced to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle. I Kryptonite (in fact, Barry never was either), why does he even have any? Ostensibly it could have been synthesized, but why does he even know about it barring [[CompositeCharacter that the intent of this wasn't to say that it's uncommon for Americans to oppose nazism, but...just sayin'.vone]] [[Franchise/{{Batman}} explanation]]?
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%%* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his ex-fiancee and one of his good friends) and Alex (her adoptive sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.
%%** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was in high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.
%%** Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle. I know that the intent of this wasn't to say that it's uncommon for Americans to oppose nazism, but...just sayin'.v

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%%** ** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was in high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.
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%%** Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle. I know that the intent of this wasn't to say that it's uncommon for Americans to oppose nazism, but...just sayin'.

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%%** Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle. I know that the intent of this wasn't to say that it's uncommon for Americans to oppose nazism, but...just sayin'.v
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Yeah, I'm gonna say that "American hates Nazis" is not Fridge. Even without the fact that all of the heroes are explicitly or implicitly fairly socially liberal, everyone hates Nazis.


* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his ex-fiancee and one of his good friends) and Alex (her adoptive sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.
** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was in high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.
** Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle. I know that the intent of this wasn't to say that it's uncommon for Americans to oppose nazism, but...just sayin'.

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* %%* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his ex-fiancee and one of his good friends) and Alex (her adoptive sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.
** %%** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was in high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.
** %%** Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle. I know that the intent of this wasn't to say that it's uncommon for Americans to oppose nazism, but...just sayin'.
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* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his girlfriend) and Alex (her sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.

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* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his girlfriend) ex-fiancee and one of his good friends) and Alex (her adoptive sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.
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* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his girlfriend) and Alex (her sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively.
** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and is owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.

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* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity (his girlfriend) and Alex (her sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively. To say nothing of Barry, who is getting married to his best friend Iris, a black woman, and was raised by Joe, her black father -- and whose wedding said Nazis promptly interrupted.
** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and is owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was in high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.

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* Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle.

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* Oliver and Kara’s hatred of Nazis seems to come out of nowhere until one remembers that Felicity ( his (his girlfriend) and Alex ( her (her sister) are Jewish and Lesbian respectively.respectively.
** Even past that, this is true to their characters; Oliver is also famously quite liberal in the comics, so it's true to the source material, and is owes his life to many of the kinds of people the Nazis wanted to kill (i.e. black men like Diggle). Kara fits this too; she was romantically attracted to James, a black man, and was friends with an Asian-American boy named Kenny when she was high school, who she had ShipTease with before he was murdered.
* Also...Nazis are genocidal, totalitarian maniacs who Americans fought against in WWII! They ''really don't need'' specific reasons to be against people who anybody decent would reject on principle.
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