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* So..in the end they got what the wanted, Victor and Victoria got married, both families are now rich and noble, despite being egotistical petty people and using their children as tools.
** That's only assuming the two of them don't just disown their parents (or at least Victoria's parents, who were the worst). And since the dead can come to the land of the living, it's possible they won't push their children around for fear of revenge (since Victor at least made a few friends).
** Why would they disown their parents? Victoria originally married Barkis to save them, and now Victor's married Victoria like his parents wanted. And marrying Victor was the original plan for Victoria's parents.
*** Though I'd say that the Everglots were just a TINY bit better than the Van Dorts. They only married off Victoria out of necessity. They were broke, and a (possibly) miserably marriage, and annoying in laws, is certainly better than starving to death in the streets (before they know death is awesome.)By contrast, Victor's parents were mostly just Gold Diggers. Heck, Victoria's mom showed actual concern for her well-being, even if for a single sentence, before going back to her normal mood (because y'know, NO MONEY)
*** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglots, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money - their wealth was in their land, which in Victorian times was not actually that valuble and could only be sold to other obscenely rich people anyway.

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* So.. in the end they got what the wanted, Victor and Victoria got married, both families are now rich and noble, despite being egotistical petty people and using their children as tools.
** That's only assuming the two of them don't just disown their parents (or at least Victoria's parents, who were the worst). And since the dead can come to the land of the living, it's possible they won't push their children around for fear of revenge (since Victor at least made a few friends).
** Why would they disown their parents? Victoria originally married Barkis to save them, and now Victor's married Victoria like his parents wanted. And marrying Victor was the original plan for Victoria's parents.
*** Though I'd say that the Everglots were just a TINY bit better than the Van Dorts. They only married off Victoria out of necessity. They were broke, and a (possibly) miserably marriage, and annoying in laws, is certainly better than starving to death in the streets (before they know death is awesome.)By contrast, Victor's parents were mostly just Gold Diggers. Heck, Victoria's mom showed actual concern for her well-being, even if for a single sentence, before going back to her normal mood (because y'know, NO MONEY)
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The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglots, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money - their wealth was in their land, which in Victorian times was not actually that valuble and could only be sold to valuable. In such times, the once-wealthy aristocracy made each other obscenely rich people anyway.poor as they didn't have the money to buy land from each other, or do anything of use with the land they had.



* She starts out cynical ("''Roses'', for ''eternal love''...") then sad/betrayed ("Lillies, for sweetness...") and finally... ("Baby's breath...") The poor girl wanted to be a mother, but never got the chance. Even if she and Victor ''had'' gotten married at the end, it wouldn't have given her the opportunity.

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* She starts out cynical ("''Roses'', for ''eternal love''...") then sad/betrayed ("Lillies, ("Lilies, for sweetness...") and finally... ("Baby's breath...") The poor girl wanted to be a mother, but never got the chance. Even if she and Victor ''had'' gotten married at the end, it wouldn't have given her the opportunity.

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** Barkis has aged well compared to some of the townsfolk, but he's not young - all of his hair is grey, suggesting he's even older than Emily's parents (who still have colour in their hair).



** Why would they disown their parents? Victoria originally married Barkis to save them, and now Victor's married Victoria like his parents wanted. And marrying Victor was the original plan for Victoria's parents.



*** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglots, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money in their safe (although they did have a huge mansion filled with expensive things). They could have sold off extra clothing, linens, art pieces, furniture, their piano, and still lived comfortably, but didn't because they didn't want to change their way of life. So they effectively sold their daughter off to the highest bidder they could find. That's much worse than the Van Dorts.

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*** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglots, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money - their wealth was in their safe (although they did have a huge mansion filled with expensive things). They land, which in Victorian times was not actually that valuble and could have only be sold off extra clothing, linens, art pieces, furniture, their piano, and still lived comfortably, but didn't because they didn't want to change their way of life. So they effectively sold their daughter off to the highest bidder they could find. That's much worse than the Van Dorts.other obscenely rich people anyway.
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** Given that either Mr. or Mrs. Everglott (or both) came from old money, it probably was. This also adds some insight into ''why'' their marriage is such an unhappy one: they went into their union for the sake of wealth and security -- and [[ImpoverishedPatrician ended up with nether]].

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** Given that either Mr. or Mrs. Everglott (or both) came from old money, it probably was. This also adds some insight into ''why'' their marriage is such an unhappy a tense one: they went into their union for the sake of wealth and security -- and [[ImpoverishedPatrician ended up with nether]].




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* Emily is wearing a revealing wedding dress, a long train, beautifully decorated, her hair free, and heavily made up. Victoria on the other hand has her hair up in a tight widow's bun, her dress very plain and high-necked, laced up in a tight corset. If she was in black, she might as well have been going to a funeral. And she does!
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* Lord Barkis appears on screen by walking from a fishmonger's. Given the way he acts even before [[spoiler:the reveal that he's a money-hungry wife-murderer]], it's easy to say that there is certainly something... [[IncrediblyLamePun ''fishy'' ]] about him.

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* Lord Barkis appears on screen by walking from a fishmonger's. Given the way he acts even before [[spoiler:the reveal that he's a money-hungry wife-murderer]], it's easy to say that there is certainly something... [[IncrediblyLamePun ''fishy'' ]] fishy]] about him.
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* Lord Barkis appears on screen by walking from a fishmonger's. Given the way he acts even before [[spoiler:the reveal that he's a money-hungry wife-murderer]], it's easy to say that there is certainly something... [[IncrediblyLamePun ''fishy'']] about him.

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* Lord Barkis appears on screen by walking from a fishmonger's. Given the way he acts even before [[spoiler:the reveal that he's a money-hungry wife-murderer]], it's easy to say that there is certainly something... [[IncrediblyLamePun ''fishy'']] ''fishy'' ]] about him.
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* Lord Barkis appears on screen by walking from a fishmonger's. Given the way he acts even before [[spoiler:the reveal that he's a money-hungry wife-murderer]], it's easy to say that there is certainly something... [[IncrediblyLamePun ''fishy'']] about him.
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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class culture, is colorful, lively, and unreserved; even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy and restrained -- very much like the upper class itself.

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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs [[Series/UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class culture, is colorful, lively, and unreserved; even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy and restrained -- very much like the upper class itself.
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* During the scene where Victoria is discussing her upcoming arranged marriage with her mother, she asks, "But what if we don't like each other?" Mrs. Everglott retorts, "As if ''that'' has anything to do with marriage!" Yes, it's poking fun at the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Everglott clearly can't stand each other, but how much do you want to bet that theirs was an arranged marriage (or at least a marriage of convenience), too?

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* During the scene where Victoria is discussing her upcoming arranged marriage with her mother, she asks, "But what if we don't like each other?" Mrs. Everglott retorts, "As if ''that'' has anything to do with marriage!" Yes, it's poking fun at the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Everglott clearly can't stand each other, but how much do you want to bet consider that theirs was ''they'' probably had an arranged marriage (or at least a marriage of convenience), too?
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** Given that either Mr. or Mrs. Everglott (or both) came from old money, it probably was. This also adds some insight into ''why'' their marriage is such an unhappy one: they went into their union for the sake of wealth and security -- and [[ImpoverishedPatrician ended up with nether]].
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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, is colorful, lively and lacking in social restraint; even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy and restrained -- very much like the upper class itself.

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* The contrast between the World of the Living and the World of the Dead is a rather clever play on class distinctions in the Victorian era. On at least one occasion, the two realms are ''literally'' identified as [[UpstairsDownstairs "upstairs" and "downstairs"]]. The World of the Dead, as a reflection of working class society, culture, is colorful, lively lively, and lacking in social restraint; unreserved; even Emily, who was wealthy in life, behaves more like a working class girl, being vivacious and free-spirited (in contrast to Victoria, who is proper and demure). By contrast, the World of the Living is drab, stuffy and restrained -- very much like the upper class itself.

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* Emily's dress being blue-toned connects with Barkis Bittern calling her a "bridesmaid," but in Victorian society, a blue wedding dress also meant a devoted husband. This could be a case of Irony, that Emily's husband is God, or that Emily fails with Victor and Bittern because she has someone else out there.




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* Emily could've been reborn when she turned into butterflies. Throughout the film, she learns that what she desires is life, not to always exist in the Land of the Dead.



* So..in the end they got what the wanted, Victor and Victoria got married, both families are now rich and nobel, despite being egotistical petty people and using their children as tools.

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* So..in the end they got what the wanted, Victor and Victoria got married, both families are now rich and nobel, noble, despite being egotistical petty people and using their children as tools.



*** Though I'd say that the Everglotts were just a TINY bit better than the Van Dorts. They only married off Victoria out of necessity. They were broke, and a (possibly) miserably marriage, and annoying in laws, is certainly better than starving to death in the streets (before they know death is awesome.)By contrast, Victor's parents were mostly just Gold Diggers. Heck, Victoria's mom showed actual concern for her well-being, even if for a single sentence, before going back to her normal mood (because y'know, NO MONEY)
*** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglotts, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money in their safe (although they did have a huge mansion filled with expensive things). They could have sold off extra clothing, linens, art pieces, furniture, their piano, and still lived comfortably, but didn't because they didn't want to change their way of life. So they effectively sold their daughter off to the highest bidder they could find. That's much worse than the Van Dorts.

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*** Though I'd say that the Everglotts Everglots were just a TINY bit better than the Van Dorts. They only married off Victoria out of necessity. They were broke, and a (possibly) miserably marriage, and annoying in laws, is certainly better than starving to death in the streets (before they know death is awesome.)By contrast, Victor's parents were mostly just Gold Diggers. Heck, Victoria's mom showed actual concern for her well-being, even if for a single sentence, before going back to her normal mood (because y'know, NO MONEY)
*** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglotts, Everglots, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money in their safe (although they did have a huge mansion filled with expensive things). They could have sold off extra clothing, linens, art pieces, furniture, their piano, and still lived comfortably, but didn't because they didn't want to change their way of life. So they effectively sold their daughter off to the highest bidder they could find. That's much worse than the Van Dorts.



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* During the scene where Victoria is discussing her upcoming arranged marriage with her mother, she asks, "But what if we don't like each other?" Mrs. Everglott retorts, "As if ''that'' has anything to do with marriage!" Yes, it's poking fun at the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Everglott clearly can't stand each other, but how much do you want to bet that theirs was an arranged marriage (or at least a marriage of convenience), too?
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** Most of the folks we meet in the Land of the Dead appear to have been either servants (cab drivers, maids, cooks, waiters, shopkeepers) or artisans (musicians) in life.

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** Most of the folks we meet in the Land of the Dead appear to have been either servants (cab drivers, maids, cooks, waiters, shopkeepers) shop clerks) or artisans (musicians) in life.



** Something which reall supports this theory is that in a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, one of the skeletons in the crowd on their way up to the Land of the Living is wearing a cloth cap and overalls, both of which are covered in soot -- in other words, a coal miner. Presumably he died in a work-related accident, since coal mines were (and still are) dangerous places to work.

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** Something which reall really supports this theory is that in a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, one of the skeletons in the crowd on their way up to the Land of the Living is wearing a cloth cap and overalls, both of which are covered in soot -- in other words, a coal miner. Presumably he died in a work-related accident, since coal mines were (and still are) dangerous places to work.
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*** Most likely. Though they will likely still shun and [[KickTheSonOfABitch kick Barkis around]] at every opportunity. Meaning that Barkis is not only dead, but the afterlife is full of people who rightly hate him for everything he's done. Talk about a SelfInflictedHell! Speaking of which, to top it all off, if Barkis ever does move on from the afterlife, considering his crimes, [[{{Hell}} he's probably not going to be turning into butterflies and ascending to Heaven the way Emily did...]]

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*** Most likely. Though they will likely still shun and [[KickTheSonOfABitch kick Barkis around]] at every opportunity. Meaning that Barkis is not only dead, but the afterlife is full of people who rightly hate him for everything he's done. Talk about a SelfInflictedHell! Speaking of which, to top it all off, if Barkis ever does move on from the afterlife, purgatory, considering his crimes, [[{{Hell}} he's probably not going to be turning into butterflies and ascending to Heaven the way Emily did...]]
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*** Most likely. Though they will likely still shun and [[KickTheSonOfABitch kick Barkis around]] at every opportunity. Meaning that Barkis is not only dead, but the afterlife is full of people who rightly hate him for everything he's done. Talk about a SelfInflictedHell! Speaking of which, to top it all off, if Barkis ever does move on from the afterlife, considering his crimes, [[{{Hell}} he's probably not going to be turning into butterflies and ascending to Heaven the way Emily did...]]
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* The dead can't feel pain, but if they still hold things, sing, cook, drink and can cry, they must have sensation. If the group ripped Barkis apart, zombie horde style, he might still be able to feel they're doing it but have no pain. Yeesh.

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* The dead can't feel pain, but if they still hold things, sing, cook, drink and can cry, they must have sensation. If the group ripped Barkis apart, zombie horde style, he might still be able to feel they're doing it but have no pain. Yeesh.
Yeesh. Or maybe that's just over thinking things?
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* Bonejangle's song explains to Victor the story of the Corpse Bride. She eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her. "And he killed her." Not only that, but remember: "[He] told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight." Considering that her creep of a fiancé is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home. Or write them a single note, letting them know that she's all right.

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* Bonejangle's song explains to Victor the story of the Corpse Bride. She eloped with a man she though was in love with her and wanted to marry her. "And he killed her." Not only that, but remember: "[He] "[They] told not a soul, kept the whole thing tight." Considering that her creep of a fiancé is still alive and fairly young by the looks of it, there may still be Emily's mourning parents out there, terrified out of their wits and wishing their daughter would just come home. Or write them a single note, letting them know that she's all right.
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*The dead can't feel pain, but if they still hold things, sing, cook, drink and can cry, they must have sensation. If the group ripped Barkis apart, zombie horde style, he might still be able to feel they're doing it but have no pain. Yeesh.

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** Something which reall supports this theory is that in a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, one of the skeletons in the crowd on their way up to the Land of the Living is wearing a cloth cap and overalls, both of which are covered in soot -- in other words, a coal miner. Presumably he died in a work-related accident, since coal mines were (and still are) dangerous places to work.



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* Now, who exactly are these skeletons who serve as a chorus to Bonejangles during ''Die, die, we all pass away'' ? Well, they have a very high-pitched voice when they shout "die, die, die, die die". Their size exclude the idea of children, so they must be women. Now, what are women doing with him ? Why, they're Bonejangles's groupies, of course ! After all, he behaves like a famous singer (falling from stage at the end of the song and all that), so it makes sense.



**** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglotts, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money in their safe (although they did have a huge mansion filled with expensive things). They could have sold off extra clothing, linens, art pieces, furniture, their piano, and still lived comfortably, but didn't because they didn't want to change their way of life. So they effectively sold their daughter off to the highest bidder they could find. That's much worse than the Van Dorts.

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**** *** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglotts, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money in their safe (although they did have a huge mansion filled with expensive things). They could have sold off extra clothing, linens, art pieces, furniture, their piano, and still lived comfortably, but didn't because they didn't want to change their way of life. So they effectively sold their daughter off to the highest bidder they could find. That's much worse than the Van Dorts.
*** Speaking of Victor's parents... weren't Mr. and Mrs. Van Dort last seen in a carriage moving along by itself, with no driver, into a dark forest on the way out of town? ''What happened to them?''

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* She starts out cynical ("''Roses'', for ''eternal love''...") then sad/betrayed ("Lillies, for sweetness...") and finally... ("Baby's breath...") The poor girl wanted to be a mother, but never got the chance. Even if she and Victor ''had'' gotten married at the end, it wouldn't have given her the opportunity.



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* Now, who exactly are these skeletons who serve as a chorus to Bonejangles during ''Die, die, we all pass away'' ? Well, they have a very high-pitched voice when they shout "die, die, die, die die". Their size exclude the idea of children, so they must be women. Now, what are women doing with him ? Why, they're Bonejangles's groupies, of course ! After all, he behaves like a famous singer (falling from stage at the end of the song and all that), so it makes sense.
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* Now, who exactly are these skeletons who serve as a chorus to Bonejangles during ''Die, die, we all pass away'' ? Well, they have a very high-pitched voice when they shout "die, die, die, die die". Their size exclude the idea of children, so they must be women. Now, what are women doing with him ? Why, they're Bonejangles's groupies, of course ! After all, he behaves like a famous singer (falling from stage at the end of the song and all that), so it makes sense.
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** The Aztecs of Mexico believed that the Monarch butterflies which annually migrate to Mexico were in reality the souls of the deceased who returned to visit the ones they left behind and to escort the souls of those who had died that year on to the afterlife.

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** *** The Aztecs of Mexico believed that the Monarch butterflies which annually migrate to Mexico were in reality the souls of the deceased who returned to visit the ones they left behind and to escort the souls of those who had died that year on to the afterlife.
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** The Aztecs of Mexico believed that the Monarch butterflies which annually migrate to Mexico were in reality the souls of the deceased who returned to visit the ones they left behind and to escort the souls of those who had died that year on to the afterlife.
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** Also plausible that Victor has some dead relatives running around, especially considering the time. It seems unlikely at his age his grandparents aren't dead, and Emily seems popular enough among the dead that when she finds a husband they might know and recognize him?
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* Don't forget that Barkis "is" dead, though: Like Emily said in her song, "In the ice and in the sun, it's all the same." Other actions in the movie, no one else seems able to feel pain, so they can't really hurt Barkis, just give him a good scare.
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** This could also be interpreted as meaning that the dead descending upon Barkis is a subtle allegory [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized of the French Revolution.]] The presence of a Napoleon expy could be seen as alluding to this.
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* TheTeetotaler: Creator/RichardEGrant, the voice of Barkis, has a distaste and physical intolerance for alcohol. The fate that befalls his character at the end of the film? [[spoiler:Dying due to downing a cup of wine that, unbeknownst to him, was poisoned.]]

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* CharlesAtlasSuperpower: When Victor climbs up a wall while running from Emily only to find her at the top, she takes him by the arm and manages to pull him up without any physical strain whatsoever (even using her skeletal left arm, which was shown a couple times before to be capable of coming apart with enough force). How is she able to do this? Remember that, because she's dead, Emily can no longer feel physical pain... including physical soreness induced by strenuous feats like pulling a full-grown man up from a ledge.
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** Considering she knew Scraps and could understand him, it's possible they met at some point and he told her about Victor, who serendipitously happened to be the one to propose to her corpse.
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* When Victor runs from The Ball & Socket and Emily goes looking for him, she calls him by his name... even though the two had just met, AccidentalMarriage or not, and Victor didn't even have a chance to introduce himself (understandably, considering how fast things were going). She also somehow knew that Scraps was Victor's deceased dog, despite that, again, she and Victor had technically just met.
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**** The Van Dorts weren't gold diggers, they were ''nouveau riche'', meaning they had money, and had earned it themselves, it just wasn't old money. They were marrying Victor to Victoria not because it would get them more money, but because it would give them a status boost aka "the heights of society". Contrast the Everglotts, who were marrying Victoria off because they had no money in their safe (although they did have a huge mansion filled with expensive things). They could have sold off extra clothing, linens, art pieces, furniture, their piano, and still lived comfortably, but didn't because they didn't want to change their way of life. So they effectively sold their daughter off to the highest bidder they could find. That's much worse than the Van Dorts.
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* GeniusBonus: The bar in the underworld is called "The Ball & Socket". It's a great place, in fact one could call it a [[IncrediblyLamePun "hip joint"]]!

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