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** Not particularly scary but worth mentioning: Dawn/The Key is often used in reference to to the same poem. First by Glory, then by a crazy man later directed at Dawn as he gibbers on about 'curds and whey'. More worryingly in Buffy's dream in "Restless" she sees a clock reading 7:30, which Tara claims is all wrong. Buffy knows her own death is coming, but is in denial.
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* All vampires eventually end up looking like The Master, Kakistos, the Turok-han, etc. This includes Angel and Spike.

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* Willow says to Giles "I expected you would kill me and then you went all Dumbledore on me." ''HarryPotter and the DeathlyHallows'' shows that DD was '''always''' an evil mentor.

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* Willow says to Giles "I expected you would kill me and then you went all Dumbledore on me." ''HarryPotter and the DeathlyHallows'' ''HarryPotter/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' shows that DD was '''always''' an evil mentor.
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* Xander doesn't like Spike, even after he gets his MoralityChip. This makes sense. Spike is still evil, and Xander would probably be the first to die if Spike started killing. He also doesn't like Angel. This could be said to be because he has a crush on Buffy,but this is no excuse for not telling Buffy Angel had a soul, just to get rid of him. However, he has no such hatred of Riley, and even convinces her to go back to him. Why such a change in attitudes? Remember in the second episode of the first season? "I don't like vampires. I'm gonna take a stand and say they're not good." Xander is a [[FantasticRacism racist.]]

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* It's made very clear to Warren, Andrew and Johnathan in "Dead Things" that their use of magic to obtain sex with Katrina is just rape. Now, remember those [[EveryoneLooksSexierIfFrench Swedish blonde]] [[TwinThreesomeFantasy twins]] who Johnathan had in his house while under the "Superstar" spell, who asked him if he "was coming to bed..."

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* The brief bit with the Warrenbot in ''Villains'' became just slightly more unsettling after I thought about it for a while: the scoobies' treatment of Buffybot raised the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman thing enough, but Warren created an arguably sentient being specifically ''for'' the purposes of being a decoy that would most likely get destroyed within moments of it's existence... At least, since we never heard anything about there being a Warrenbot before, I assume he either put it together really quickly while on the run, or else was CrazyPrepared enough to just have an already completed but not activated robot double hidden someplace in case of emergency.

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* The brief bit with the Warrenbot in ''Villains'' became just slightly more unsettling after I thought about it for a while: the scoobies' treatment of Buffybot raised the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman thing enough, but Warren created an arguably sentient being specifically ''for'' the purposes of being a decoy that would most likely get destroyed within moments of it's existence... At its existence...at least, since we never heard anything about there being a Warrenbot before, I assume he either put it together really quickly while on the run, or else was CrazyPrepared enough to just have an already completed but not activated robot double hidden someplace in case of emergency.
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*** No, Buffy was seventeen. It was her seventeenth birthday when she and Angel had sex. "Becoming" suggests that Buffy was about sixteen since the series doesn't even start until March, so it's quite possible that Buffy had only been a Slayer for a few months when she came to Sunnydale.

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*** No, Buffy was seventeen. It was her seventeenth birthday when she and Angel had sex. "Becoming" suggests that Buffy was about sixteen since the series doesn't even start until March, so it's quite possible that Buffy had only been a Slayer for a few months when she came to Sunnydale.
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*** No, Buffy was seventeen. It was her seventeenth birthday when she and Angel had sex. "Becoming" suggests that Buffy was about sixteen since the series doesn't even start until March, so it's quite possible that Buffy had only been a Slayer for a few months when she came to Sunnydale.
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** Or perhaps the spell cast by Sweet simply *forced* everyone's voice into acceptable pitch while singing. To this troper at least, the idea of demonic powers literally pulling on your vocal cords is somewhat creepier than a compulsion to think out loud in rhyme.
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* As shown in "The Body", Anya's been a demon so long that she doesn't really understand death any more. She doesn't understant why Joyce died, and why she's no longer with them. Now think of all the men that she's killed. Hell, she basically caused the Russian Revolution. Anya's probably just realizing how many people she's killed and maimed over the years, and how many families and lives that she's destroyed. It's touched upon a bit in the season 7 episode "Selfless", but still, she's killed so many people and is only just realizing now what death really is.
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* In ''Same Time, Same Place'', Spike tells Buffy "I should hide... hide from you... hide my face... you know what I've done". He ''could'' be talking about his AttemptedRape, which is what the other characters seem to think, but once the episode is over it starts seeming like he was also giving away the twist in a MadOracle sort of way: [[spoiler: It's possible that he's speaking about Willow in the first person, since it turns out that she unintentionally cast the spell that made her and most of the main cast mutually invisible due to her nervousness about seeing them again after the whole Dark Willow thing...]]

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* In ''Same Time, Same Place'', Spike tells Buffy "I should hide... hide from you... hide my face... you know what I've done". He ''could'' be talking about his AttemptedRape, which is what the other characters seem to think, but once the episode is over it starts seeming like he was also giving away the twist in a MadOracle sort of way: [[spoiler: It's possible that he's speaking about Willow in the first person, since it turns out that she unintentionally cast the spell that made her and most of the main cast mutually invisible invisible, due to her nervousness about seeing them again after the whole Dark Willow thing...]]
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* In ''Same Time, Same Place'', Spike tells Buffy "I should hide... hide from you... hide my face... you know what I've done". He ''could'' be talking about his AttemptedRape, but once the episode is over it starts seeming like he was also giving away the twist in a MadOracle sort of way: [[spoiler: It's possible that he's speaking about Willow in the first person, since it turns out that she unintentionally cast the spell that made her and most of the main cast mutually invisible due to her nervousness about seeing them again after the whole Dark Willow thing...]]

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* In ''Same Time, Same Place'', Spike tells Buffy "I should hide... hide from you... hide my face... you know what I've done". He ''could'' be talking about his AttemptedRape, which is what the other characters seem to think, but once the episode is over it starts seeming like he was also giving away the twist in a MadOracle sort of way: [[spoiler: It's possible that he's speaking about Willow in the first person, since it turns out that she unintentionally cast the spell that made her and most of the main cast mutually invisible due to her nervousness about seeing them again after the whole Dark Willow thing...]]
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*In ''Same Time, Same Place'', Spike tells Buffy "I should hide... hide from you... hide my face... you know what I've done". He ''could'' be talking about his AttemptedRape, but once the episode is over it starts seeming like he was also giving away the twist in a MadOracle sort of way: [[spoiler: It's possible that he's speaking about Willow in the first person, since it turns out that she unintentionally cast the spell that made her and most of the main cast mutually invisible due to her nervousness about seeing them again after the whole Dark Willow thing...]]
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* The brief bit with the Warrenbot in ''Villains'' became just slightly more unsettling after I thought about it for a while: the scoobies' treatment of Buffybot raised the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman thing enough, but Warren created an arguably sentient being specifically ''for'' being a decoy that would most likely get destroyed within moments of it's existence... At least, since we never heard anything about there being a Warrenbot before, I assume he either put it together really quickly while on the run, or else was CrazyPrepared enough to just have an already completed but not activated robot double hidden someplace in case of emergency.

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* The brief bit with the Warrenbot in ''Villains'' became just slightly more unsettling after I thought about it for a while: the scoobies' treatment of Buffybot raised the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman thing enough, but Warren created an arguably sentient being specifically ''for'' the purposes of being a decoy that would most likely get destroyed within moments of it's existence... At least, since we never heard anything about there being a Warrenbot before, I assume he either put it together really quickly while on the run, or else was CrazyPrepared enough to just have an already completed but not activated robot double hidden someplace in case of emergency.
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* The brief bit with the Warrenbot in ''Villains'' became just slightly more unsettling after I thought about it for a while: the scoobies' treatment of Buffybot raised the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman thing enough, but Warren created an arguably sentient being specifically ''for'' being a decoy that would most likely get destroyed within moments of it's existence... At least, since we never heard anything about there being a Warrenbot before, I assume he either put it together really quickly while on the run, or else was CrazyPrepared enough to just have an already completed but not activated robot double hidden someplace in case of emergency.
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* During Buffy's stay in LA in the episode Anne, someone tells her this about LA - "This isn't a good place for a kid to be. You get old fast here. The thing that does it, that drains the life out of them: despair. Kids come here, they got nothing to go home to and this is the last stop for a lot of them. Shouldn't have to be that way." A description which perfectly matches and foreshadows....Cordelia Chase. Barring the despair, a lot of this is true for her journey in LA. She has no home in Sunnydale after her parents lose all their money, she's living in a horrible apartment as her last stop, she is forced to grow up because of the trauma of life in Angel Investigations, her brain starts to deteriorate because of her visions, literally getting old fast and even becoming a demon doesnt help because she still dies regardless.
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** Well, I don't know about ''evil'', but he was certainly morally grey--which Giles is as well.
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* I have no idea how the Willow/Tara scene from Once More, With Feeling isn't on here. It took me a long time to realize it, but then I realized Willow basically magically roofied and then raped her girlfriend--and this was ''after'' Tara had been mindraped horrifically by Glory. No ''wonder'' Tara was horrified when she found out.

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* I have no idea how Then there's the Willow/Tara scene from Once More, With Feeling isn't on here.Feeling. It took me a long time to realize it, but then I realized Willow basically magically roofied and then raped her girlfriend--and this was ''after'' Tara had been mindraped horrifically by Glory. No ''wonder'' Tara was horrified when she found out.
* After Faith's FaceHeelTurn, Mayor Wilkins basically becomes her substitute father. Then in ''Enemies'', Faith tries to seduce Angel in order to make him turn evil. Afterward, she goes back to the Mayor, sad because she failed. The Mayor acts all motivational, telling her to try again. The conversation pretty much implies that the Mayor was the one who made her do it. In other words, he took in a seventeen-year-old girl, set himself up as a father figure, then ordered her to go have sex with a guy who's 242 years old.
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* Willow says to Giles "I expected ou would kill me and then you went all Dumbledore on me." ''HarryPotter and the DeathlyHallows'' shows that DD was '''always''' an evil mentor.

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* Willow says to Giles "I expected ou would kill me and then you went all Dumbledore on me." ''HarryPotter and the DeathlyHallows'' shows that DD was '''always''' an evil mentor.
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* When he first develops a crush over Buffy, Spike starts acting all sorts of embarassed and childish. He spies on her and follows her around in a completely harmless way, he can't talk to her without blushing to the point of looking like a big fool. When he opens up the littlest bit, Buffy laughs at him. [[HilarityEnsues Hilarity ensues]]. ''Then'' you meet William Pratt. The more you get to know him, the more you realize that for him being ridiculed because he was shy and honest about his feelings (as well as rather untalented at poetry) was really [[SeriousBusiness serious business]]. And that it still is, since years of carnage, soullessness, wild sex and badassery haven't changed the fact that [[TroubledButCute he's crap at romance and self-conscious about his poor social skills]]. To the extent that even after regaining his soul, being intimate with Buffy "terrifies" him and it takes for him a whole lot of courage to open up to her about his feelings, only to be afraid that she will mock him when he does. So you get to season 7 and all of a sudden you feel like crap for [[FunnyAneurysmMoment laughing SO hard]] when he had a crush. Then you probably decide that it's ok to find it funny since he didn't deserve much of your sympathy anyway, back then, and [[ActuallyPrettyFunny because it's Spike]]. However the whole thing also has you reflecting about the way you treat people, since you loathe those evil posh snobs who spit on William, but have to ask yourself if, maybe under just slightly different circumstances, sometimes in life those complete monsters ''[[ThisLoserIsYou might have possibly been likely to look somewhat like you]]''.

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* When he first develops a crush over Buffy, Spike starts acting all sorts of embarassed and childish. He spies on her and follows her around in a completely harmless way, he can't talk to her without blushing to the point of looking like a big fool. When he opens up the littlest bit, Buffy laughs at him. [[HilarityEnsues Hilarity ensues]]. ''Then'' you meet William Pratt. The more you get to know him, the more you realize that for him being ridiculed because he was shy and honest about his feelings (as well as rather untalented at poetry) was really [[SeriousBusiness serious business]]. And that it still is, since years of carnage, soullessness, wild sex and badassery haven't changed the fact that [[TroubledButCute he's crap at romance and self-conscious about his poor social skills]]. To the extent that even after regaining his soul, being intimate with Buffy "terrifies" him and it takes for him a whole lot of courage to open up to her about his feelings, only to be afraid that she will mock him when he does. So you get to season 7 and all of a sudden you feel like crap for [[FunnyAneurysmMoment laughing SO hard]] when he had a crush. Then you probably decide that it's ok to find it funny since he didn't deserve much of your sympathy anyway, back then, and [[ActuallyPrettyFunny because it's Spike]]. However the whole thing also has you reflecting about the way you treat people, since you loathe those evil posh snobs who spit on William, but have to ask yourself if, maybe under just slightly different circumstances, sometimes in life those complete monsters ''[[ThisLoserIsYou might have possibly been likely to look somewhat like you]]''.
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* When he first develops a crush over Buffy, Spike starts acting all sorts of embarassed and childish. He spies on her and follows her around in a completely harmless way, he can't talk to her without blushing to the point of looking like a big fool. When he opens up the littlest bit, Buffy laughs at him. [[HilarityEnsues Hilarity ensues]]. ''Then'' you meet William Pratt. The more you get to know him, the more you realize that for him being ridiculed because he was shy and honest about his feelings (as well as rather untalented at poetry) was really [[SeriousBusiness serious business]]. And that it still is, since years of carnage, soullessness, wild sex and badassery haven't changed the fact that [[TroubledButCute he's crap at romance and self-conscious about his poor social skills]]. To the extent that even after regaining his soul, being intimate with Buffy "terrifies" him and it takes for him a whole lot of courage to open up to her about his feelings, only to be afraid that she will mock him when he does. So you get to season 7 and all of a sudden you feel like crap for [[FunnyAneurysmMoment laughing SO hard]] when he had a crush. Then you probably decide that it's ok to find it funny since he didn't deserve much of your sympathy anyway, back then, and [[ActuallyPrettyFunny because it's Spike]]. However the whole thing also has you reflecting about the way you treat people, since you loathe those evil posh snobs who spit on William, but have to ask yourself if, maybe under just slightly different circumstances, sometimes in life those complete monsters ''[[ThisLoserIsYou might have possibly been likely to look somewhat like you]]''.
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** Buffy's Slayer powers give her enhanced senses and strength. What's to say that they couldn't enhance her singing ability? While they couldn't make her a better singer on their own, they can help the mediocre vocals she does produce (a la autotune).
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* Vampires. Not so much Fridge Horror as they are repeatedly and intimately explored, with the exception of one little aspect that the series seems to completely ignore: they are ''fucking everywhere''. Even in places with dedicated, highly effective vampire hunters, vampires are always a problem. Beings that are far stronger and faster than any human, that feed on an almost nightly basis or whenever it would be fun, and that are easily and swiftly capable of creating entire armies of their kind are probably the single most common demon on the planet. Considering that in Season 4 of ''{{Angel}}'', it was only a matter of '''''days''''' after the sun was blocked that the entire city became swarmed with vampires that were feasting with abandon, it seems that there is almost nothing stopping vampires from simply overwhelming humans with a sheer force of numbers.

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* Vampires. Not so much Fridge Horror as they are repeatedly and intimately explored, with the exception of one little aspect that the series seems to completely ignore: they are ''fucking everywhere''. Even in places with dedicated, highly effective vampire hunters, vampires are always a problem. Beings that are far stronger and faster than any human, that feed on an almost nightly basis or whenever it would be fun, and that are easily and swiftly capable of creating entire armies of their kind are probably the single most common demon on the planet. Considering that in Season 4 of ''{{Angel}}'', ''Series/{{Angel}}'', it was only a matter of '''''days''''' after the sun was blocked that the entire city became swarmed with vampires that were feasting with abandon, it seems that there is almost nothing stopping vampires from simply overwhelming humans with a sheer force of numbers.
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* I have no idea how the Willow/Tara scene from Once More, With Feeling isn't on here. It took me a long time to realize it, but then I realized Willow basically magically roofied and then raped her girlfriend--and this was ''after'' Tara had been mindraped horrifically by Glory. No ''wonder'' Tara was horrified when she found out.
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** Actually, if I recall correctly Buffy is sixteen by the time she and Angel had sex--in California (where Sunnydale is), 16 is the age of consent. Still squick, but semi-legal squick.
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** [[spoiler: Tara]]'s body was in a very similar position to [[spoiler: Joyce's after the aneurysm]]. Not only did [[TheWoobie Dawn]] have to [[BreakTheCutie deal with]] the horror of finding [[spoiler: Tara]] dead, ''it most likely,'' intensely, ''brought back memories of [[spoiler: her mother]] beginning to die hardly a year earlier''. ''Then'' you realize how many loved ones, ''human'' loved ones, died (or in one case were found dead) literally in front of Dawn, once as a direct result of her existence, and you have to wonder exactly how deep her angst over being left alone really went.
** Vampires. Not so much Fridge Horror as they are repeatedly and intimately explored, with the exception of one little aspect that the series seems to completely ignore: they are ''fucking everywhere''. Even in places with dedicated, highly effective vampire hunters, vampires are always a problem. Beings that are far stronger and faster than any human, that feed on an almost nightly basis or whenever it would be fun, and that are easily and swiftly capable of creating entire armies of their kind are probably the single most common demon on the planet. Considering that in Season 4 of ''{{Angel}}'', it was only a matter of '''''days''''' after the sun was blocked that the entire city became swarmed with vampires that were feasting with abandon, it seems that there is almost nothing stopping vampires from simply overwhelming humans with a sheer force of numbers.
*** Actually, it's stated that the reason all those vampires/demons/boogeymen/telemarketers are hanging out in Sunnydale is because they're attracted to the evil of the Hellmouth. And it's not stated, but the Los Angeles situation is likely similarly explained by the city being built around Wolfram and Hart, which is stated to be one of the last surviving [[EldritchAbomination Great Old One deities that lived before humans.]]
** Also in Buffy, when we first meet Whistler, Angel's good demon guide, we find out that Angel has been watching Buffy since she was at her old high school in Los Angeles, an unrevealed amount of time after he lost his soul. Later in a heartfelt moment, he confesses that he loved her from the first moment he saw her, which he explains was back in Los Angeles right before she obtained her powers. Buffy is very moved by this. The {{Squick}} comes in when you realize that Angel, who has been an grown adult for 200 years, "falls for" a fourteen-year old girl and then deflowers her a full year before she can give legal consent.
** Even the optimistic view of the series finale (Slayers will finally get to live relatively normal lives) still means that Buffy and co. still are going to be subjecting thousands of girls to an extremely dangerous lifestyle (although safer than what Buffy went through though) filled with things that will give them nightmares for the rest of their lives.
*** But monsters would exist regardless, and by giving them all the power, they could now fight back against the darkness rather than be victims. And if they don't want to, they don't need to, because they don't have the burden of being the only one. What's scary is that there are now hundreds if not thousands of newly minted Slayers with no idea what they have become, so they probably ended up causing a fair amount of damage, not counting that Slayers are still human and their may be dozens of Faith-like girls who'll exploit their newfound powers for evil.
*** Speaking of nightmares - based on the experience of those Slayers we've seen in the series, we know that Slayers experience the memories of all the slayers who've died. Now think of all of the horrific things that Buffy went through during her time as the Slayer. Now realize that her experience, judging by her advanced survival, was one of the ''least [[NightmareFuel horrifying]]'' histories of any slayer, which means that the other slayers were worse. Now think about it. Every single slayer goes to sleep one night a normal girl and wakes up with the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel highest octane nightmare fuel]] in the world since the ''beginning of time'' has just been [[MindRaped crammed into the brains]] of these [[BreakTheCutie utterly unsuspecting young girls.]] Who here thinks Dana's gonna be the [[GoMadFromTheRevelation only one]] in the end, raise your hands?
*** Then there's the fanon involving Buffy activating all of the Slayers lineage at once resulting in the situation of ''{{Fray}}'' where after Buffy's generation die out, there are no more Slayers because all of the magic was used up.
*** "Into every generation a Slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a chosen one. She alone will wield the strength and skill to fight the vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their numbers." And there's one. One. And this one lives in a small town in California. Granted, it's on a Hellmouth, but that's kinda the problem; a Hellmouth. As in, there are more of them (Cleveland is referenced occasionally). So, how is the entire world not overrun if all that's standing between demons and humans is one girl who usually doesn't live past her twenties, the odd reformed demon, and whatever the heck Whistler is? They can be all the kickass they want, it's not possible for someone to cover that much ground.
**** To make it worse, when Buffy died at the end of season five, her death did not activate a new Slayer. At first, you would think it wouldn't matter because Faith was still alive. But then you realize that she was in jail and didn't break out until season four of Angel (season seven of Buffy). If Buffy hadn't been brought back to life, the world would have gone without a slayer for at least a year and a half.
** In the Buffy musical, besides the people bursting into flames, the main problem with the seemingly awesome concept of a demon who makes life into a musical is that people tend to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets through their songs with no control over it. While the non-cast songs we see are mostly innocuous, think about the fact that this happened to an ENTIRE CITY. Even if not everyone did it, a good percentage of people suddenly revealed that they were secret murderers, cheating on their wives, etc. Not all of us have personal lives as convoluted as the Buffy cast, but everyone has something they want to keep hidden. Imagine this happening to you in high school. Or at work! The rest of the season shows us the horrible fallout of the Buffy cast learning those hidden truths--now imagine the hundreds or thousands we didn't see.
** [[FaceHeelRevolvingDoor Faith]] gets one after Buffy puts her in a coma.

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** * [[spoiler: Tara]]'s body was in a very similar position to [[spoiler: Joyce's after the aneurysm]]. Not only did [[TheWoobie Dawn]] have to [[BreakTheCutie deal with]] the horror of finding [[spoiler: Tara]] dead, ''it most likely,'' intensely, ''brought back memories of [[spoiler: her mother]] beginning to die hardly a year earlier''. ''Then'' you realize how many loved ones, ''human'' loved ones, died (or in one case were found dead) literally in front of Dawn, once as a direct result of her existence, and you have to wonder exactly how deep her angst over being left alone really went.
** * Vampires. Not so much Fridge Horror as they are repeatedly and intimately explored, with the exception of one little aspect that the series seems to completely ignore: they are ''fucking everywhere''. Even in places with dedicated, highly effective vampire hunters, vampires are always a problem. Beings that are far stronger and faster than any human, that feed on an almost nightly basis or whenever it would be fun, and that are easily and swiftly capable of creating entire armies of their kind are probably the single most common demon on the planet. Considering that in Season 4 of ''{{Angel}}'', it was only a matter of '''''days''''' after the sun was blocked that the entire city became swarmed with vampires that were feasting with abandon, it seems that there is almost nothing stopping vampires from simply overwhelming humans with a sheer force of numbers.
*** ** Actually, it's stated that the reason all those vampires/demons/boogeymen/telemarketers are hanging out in Sunnydale is because they're attracted to the evil of the Hellmouth. And it's not stated, but the Los Angeles situation is likely similarly explained by the city being built around Wolfram and Hart, which is stated to be one of the last surviving [[EldritchAbomination Great Old One deities that lived before humans.]]
** * Also in Buffy, when we first meet Whistler, Angel's good demon guide, we find out that Angel has been watching Buffy since she was at her old high school in Los Angeles, an unrevealed amount of time after he lost his soul. Later in a heartfelt moment, he confesses that he loved her from the first moment he saw her, which he explains was back in Los Angeles right before she obtained her powers. Buffy is very moved by this. The {{Squick}} comes in when you realize that Angel, who has been an grown adult for 200 years, "falls for" a fourteen-year old girl and then deflowers her a full year before she can give legal consent.
** * Even the optimistic view of the series finale (Slayers will finally get to live relatively normal lives) still means that Buffy and co. still are going to be subjecting thousands of girls to an extremely dangerous lifestyle (although safer than what Buffy went through though) filled with things that will give them nightmares for the rest of their lives.
*** ** But monsters would exist regardless, and by giving them all the power, they could now fight back against the darkness rather than be victims. And if they don't want to, they don't need to, because they don't have the burden of being the only one. What's scary is that there are now hundreds if not thousands of newly minted Slayers with no idea what they have become, so they probably ended up causing a fair amount of damage, not counting that Slayers are still human and their may be dozens of Faith-like girls who'll exploit their newfound powers for evil.
*** ** Speaking of nightmares - based on the experience of those Slayers we've seen in the series, we know that Slayers experience the memories of all the slayers who've died. Now think of all of the horrific things that Buffy went through during her time as the Slayer. Now realize that her experience, judging by her advanced survival, was one of the ''least [[NightmareFuel horrifying]]'' histories of any slayer, which means that the other slayers were worse. Now think about it. Every single slayer goes to sleep one night a normal girl and wakes up with the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel highest octane nightmare fuel]] in the world since the ''beginning of time'' has just been [[MindRaped crammed into the brains]] of these [[BreakTheCutie utterly unsuspecting young girls.]] Who here thinks Dana's gonna be the [[GoMadFromTheRevelation only one]] in the end, raise your hands?
*** ** Then there's the fanon involving Buffy activating all of the Slayers lineage at once resulting in the situation of ''{{Fray}}'' where after Buffy's generation die out, there are no more Slayers because all of the magic was used up.
*** ** "Into every generation a Slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a chosen one. She alone will wield the strength and skill to fight the vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their numbers." And there's one. One. And this one lives in a small town in California. Granted, it's on a Hellmouth, but that's kinda the problem; a Hellmouth. As in, there are more of them (Cleveland is referenced occasionally). So, how is the entire world not overrun if all that's standing between demons and humans is one girl who usually doesn't live past her twenties, the odd reformed demon, and whatever the heck Whistler is? They can be all the kickass they want, it's not possible for someone to cover that much ground.
**** *** To make it worse, when Buffy died at the end of season five, her death did not activate a new Slayer. At first, you would think it wouldn't matter because Faith was still alive. But then you realize that she was in jail and didn't break out until season four of Angel (season seven of Buffy). If Buffy hadn't been brought back to life, the world would have gone without a slayer for at least a year and a half.
** * In the Buffy musical, besides the people bursting into flames, the main problem with the seemingly awesome concept of a demon who makes life into a musical is that people tend to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets through their songs with no control over it. While the non-cast songs we see are mostly innocuous, think about the fact that this happened to an ENTIRE CITY. Even if not everyone did it, a good percentage of people suddenly revealed that they were secret murderers, cheating on their wives, etc. Not all of us have personal lives as convoluted as the Buffy cast, but everyone has something they want to keep hidden. Imagine this happening to you in high school. Or at work! The rest of the season shows us the horrible fallout of the Buffy cast learning those hidden truths--now imagine the hundreds or thousands we didn't see.
** * [[FaceHeelRevolvingDoor Faith]] gets one after Buffy puts her in a coma.



** Buffy's experience with Parker in Season Four just seems like a mundanely unpleasant experience... until you go back and watch "Innocence" again and see how similar Parker's rejection of her after their one-night stand is to the way Angelus toys with her after their first time, taunting her about how it was good but nothing special, expressing surprise that it meant more to her than it did to him, etc. Just think about all the unpleasant, deeply traumatic memories that must have been brought up for Buffy.

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** * Buffy's experience with Parker in Season Four just seems like a mundanely unpleasant experience... until you go back and watch "Innocence" again and see how similar Parker's rejection of her after their one-night stand is to the way Angelus toys with her after their first time, taunting her about how it was good but nothing special, expressing surprise that it meant more to her than it did to him, etc. Just think about all the unpleasant, deeply traumatic memories that must have been brought up for Buffy.
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* In season 6, Xander is the most upset with Spike's AttemptedRape of Buffy. This would just be Xander's concern for his best friend, but it becomes fridge horror when you remember the season 3 episode Consequences in which Faith attempted to rape ''and murder'' him.

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* How the hell was Jonathan planning to commit suicide without killing anybody else (thus ruling out suicide-by-cop) with a ''high-powered rifle?!''
** Jonathan can't even commit suicide right.
** Easy. Put the butt on the ground, lean over and tuck the barrel under your chin, and then step on the trigger with your big toe.
* It's possible to revive someone who dies due to magic, right? So why doesn't Willow fireball Tara while she's bleeding out? If its the magic that killed her, rather than the gun, it becomes possible to bring her back.
** Look at the location of the exit wound. Tara took that round directly through either the heart or the aorta. She'd be dead in moments. The only way she could be deader is if she'd taken the hit at the base of the skull... which is one for Headscratchers, that Warren's blind, wild shot in through the window could be ''that'' precise. DiabolusExMachina indeed.
*** I've always assumed it was another sid effect of the resurrection spell they weren't aware of. Willow was granted a life (Buffy) at the cost of one of the casters (Tara).
** Besides, there's that pesky issue that magical resurrection often leaves you in the same state you would've been in without any magic at all; see Darla's syphilis. Burning Tara alive so Willow could revive her as a gunshot victim isn't likely to help.
** Two things: 1) Could you really fling a fireball at the person you love and kill her on the off chance that it MIGHT lead to her later resurrection? Willow wouldn't have had long, and she's loves Tara way too much to destroy her personally even if it meant that there's the possibility of resurrection. And 2), the Urn of Osiris was destroyed after Buffy's revival, and it was unique, the spell couldn't have been cast again.

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* How the hell was Jonathan planning to commit suicide without killing anybody else (thus ruling out suicide-by-cop) with a ''high-powered rifle?!''
** Jonathan can't even commit suicide right.
** Easy. Put the butt on the ground, lean over and tuck the barrel under your chin, and then step on the trigger with your big toe.
* It's possible to revive someone who dies due to magic, right? So why doesn't Willow fireball Tara while she's bleeding out? If its the magic that killed her, rather than the gun, it becomes possible to bring her back.
** Look at the location of the exit wound. Tara took that round directly through either the heart or the aorta. She'd be dead in moments. The only way she could be deader is if she'd taken the hit at the base of the skull... which is one for Headscratchers, that Warren's blind, wild shot in through the window could be ''that'' precise. DiabolusExMachina indeed.
*** I've always assumed it was another sid effect of the resurrection spell they weren't aware of. Willow was granted a life (Buffy) at the cost of one of the casters (Tara).
** Besides, there's that pesky issue that magical resurrection often leaves you in the same state you would've been in without any magic at all; see Darla's syphilis. Burning Tara alive so Willow could revive her as a gunshot victim isn't likely to help.
** Two things: 1) Could you really fling a fireball at the person you love and kill her on the off chance that it MIGHT lead to her later resurrection? Willow wouldn't have had long, and she's loves Tara way too much to destroy her personally even if it meant that there's the possibility of resurrection. And 2), the Urn of Osiris was destroyed after Buffy's revival, and it was unique, the spell couldn't have been cast again.

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** It isn't quite the same thing; Jonathan really was smart, witty, strong, famous, and rich while a superstar. The RealityWarper thing at the heart of the spell made him exactly what they were attracted to. On the other hand, there's evidence that what it didn't change in Jonathan, the spell changed in others; Jonathan was still a short guy, so Riley found himself "too tall." The wimpy Buffy we see at the beginning of the episode is something else; it's not clear if this version of Buffy never needed to grow into a real slayer because Jonathan was around, or if the spell befuddled her to make Jonathan look better. It doesn't help that the spell blurs the lines between [[AlternateReality Alternate Reality By Design]] and straight up RealityWarper.

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** It isn't quite the same thing; Jonathan really was smart, witty, strong, famous, and rich while a superstar. The RealityWarper thing at the heart of the spell made him exactly what they were attracted to. On the other hand, there's evidence that what it didn't change in Jonathan, the spell changed in others; Jonathan was still a short guy, so Riley found himself "too tall." The wimpy Buffy we see at the beginning of the episode is something else; it's not clear if this version of Buffy never needed to grow into a real slayer because Jonathan was around, or if the spell befuddled her to make Jonathan look better. It doesn't help that the spell blurs the lines between [[AlternateReality Alternate Reality By Design]] and straight up RealityWarper.RealityWarper.
* ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': In "Empty Places", as the understated beginning of a conversation with the First Evil, [[CompleteMonster Caleb]] says he's realized that every high school from one end of the country to the other smells exactly the same.
** If it makes you feel any better, he's only a serial killer, not a rapist.
** [[spoiler: Tara]]'s body was in a very similar position to [[spoiler: Joyce's after the aneurysm]]. Not only did [[TheWoobie Dawn]] have to [[BreakTheCutie deal with]] the horror of finding [[spoiler: Tara]] dead, ''it most likely,'' intensely, ''brought back memories of [[spoiler: her mother]] beginning to die hardly a year earlier''. ''Then'' you realize how many loved ones, ''human'' loved ones, died (or in one case were found dead) literally in front of Dawn, once as a direct result of her existence, and you have to wonder exactly how deep her angst over being left alone really went.
** Vampires. Not so much Fridge Horror as they are repeatedly and intimately explored, with the exception of one little aspect that the series seems to completely ignore: they are ''fucking everywhere''. Even in places with dedicated, highly effective vampire hunters, vampires are always a problem. Beings that are far stronger and faster than any human, that feed on an almost nightly basis or whenever it would be fun, and that are easily and swiftly capable of creating entire armies of their kind are probably the single most common demon on the planet. Considering that in Season 4 of ''{{Angel}}'', it was only a matter of '''''days''''' after the sun was blocked that the entire city became swarmed with vampires that were feasting with abandon, it seems that there is almost nothing stopping vampires from simply overwhelming humans with a sheer force of numbers.
*** Actually, it's stated that the reason all those vampires/demons/boogeymen/telemarketers are hanging out in Sunnydale is because they're attracted to the evil of the Hellmouth. And it's not stated, but the Los Angeles situation is likely similarly explained by the city being built around Wolfram and Hart, which is stated to be one of the last surviving [[EldritchAbomination Great Old One deities that lived before humans.]]
** Also in Buffy, when we first meet Whistler, Angel's good demon guide, we find out that Angel has been watching Buffy since she was at her old high school in Los Angeles, an unrevealed amount of time after he lost his soul. Later in a heartfelt moment, he confesses that he loved her from the first moment he saw her, which he explains was back in Los Angeles right before she obtained her powers. Buffy is very moved by this. The {{Squick}} comes in when you realize that Angel, who has been an grown adult for 200 years, "falls for" a fourteen-year old girl and then deflowers her a full year before she can give legal consent.
** Even the optimistic view of the series finale (Slayers will finally get to live relatively normal lives) still means that Buffy and co. still are going to be subjecting thousands of girls to an extremely dangerous lifestyle (although safer than what Buffy went through though) filled with things that will give them nightmares for the rest of their lives.
*** But monsters would exist regardless, and by giving them all the power, they could now fight back against the darkness rather than be victims. And if they don't want to, they don't need to, because they don't have the burden of being the only one. What's scary is that there are now hundreds if not thousands of newly minted Slayers with no idea what they have become, so they probably ended up causing a fair amount of damage, not counting that Slayers are still human and their may be dozens of Faith-like girls who'll exploit their newfound powers for evil.
*** Speaking of nightmares - based on the experience of those Slayers we've seen in the series, we know that Slayers experience the memories of all the slayers who've died. Now think of all of the horrific things that Buffy went through during her time as the Slayer. Now realize that her experience, judging by her advanced survival, was one of the ''least [[NightmareFuel horrifying]]'' histories of any slayer, which means that the other slayers were worse. Now think about it. Every single slayer goes to sleep one night a normal girl and wakes up with the [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel highest octane nightmare fuel]] in the world since the ''beginning of time'' has just been [[MindRaped crammed into the brains]] of these [[BreakTheCutie utterly unsuspecting young girls.]] Who here thinks Dana's gonna be the [[GoMadFromTheRevelation only one]] in the end, raise your hands?
*** Then there's the fanon involving Buffy activating all of the Slayers lineage at once resulting in the situation of ''{{Fray}}'' where after Buffy's generation die out, there are no more Slayers because all of the magic was used up.
*** "Into every generation a Slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a chosen one. She alone will wield the strength and skill to fight the vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their numbers." And there's one. One. And this one lives in a small town in California. Granted, it's on a Hellmouth, but that's kinda the problem; a Hellmouth. As in, there are more of them (Cleveland is referenced occasionally). So, how is the entire world not overrun if all that's standing between demons and humans is one girl who usually doesn't live past her twenties, the odd reformed demon, and whatever the heck Whistler is? They can be all the kickass they want, it's not possible for someone to cover that much ground.
**** To make it worse, when Buffy died at the end of season five, her death did not activate a new Slayer. At first, you would think it wouldn't matter because Faith was still alive. But then you realize that she was in jail and didn't break out until season four of Angel (season seven of Buffy). If Buffy hadn't been brought back to life, the world would have gone without a slayer for at least a year and a half.
** In the Buffy musical, besides the people bursting into flames, the main problem with the seemingly awesome concept of a demon who makes life into a musical is that people tend to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets through their songs with no control over it. While the non-cast songs we see are mostly innocuous, think about the fact that this happened to an ENTIRE CITY. Even if not everyone did it, a good percentage of people suddenly revealed that they were secret murderers, cheating on their wives, etc. Not all of us have personal lives as convoluted as the Buffy cast, but everyone has something they want to keep hidden. Imagine this happening to you in high school. Or at work! The rest of the season shows us the horrible fallout of the Buffy cast learning those hidden truths--now imagine the hundreds or thousands we didn't see.
** [[FaceHeelRevolvingDoor Faith]] gets one after Buffy puts her in a coma.
-->"Little Miss Muffet counting down from 730."
** WordOfGod this was the exact amount of days until Buffy died. That's pretty horrifying, her arch nemesis accurately predicting her death.
** Buffy's experience with Parker in Season Four just seems like a mundanely unpleasant experience... until you go back and watch "Innocence" again and see how similar Parker's rejection of her after their one-night stand is to the way Angelus toys with her after their first time, taunting her about how it was good but nothing special, expressing surprise that it meant more to her than it did to him, etc. Just think about all the unpleasant, deeply traumatic memories that must have been brought up for Buffy.

!!!FridgeLogic:
* How the hell was Jonathan planning to commit suicide without killing anybody else (thus ruling out suicide-by-cop) with a ''high-powered rifle?!''
** Jonathan can't even commit suicide right.
** Easy. Put the butt on the ground, lean over and tuck the barrel under your chin, and then step on the trigger with your big toe.
* It's possible to revive someone who dies due to magic, right? So why doesn't Willow fireball Tara while she's bleeding out? If its the magic that killed her, rather than the gun, it becomes possible to bring her back.
** Look at the location of the exit wound. Tara took that round directly through either the heart or the aorta. She'd be dead in moments. The only way she could be deader is if she'd taken the hit at the base of the skull... which is one for Headscratchers, that Warren's blind, wild shot in through the window could be ''that'' precise. DiabolusExMachina indeed.
*** I've always assumed it was another sid effect of the resurrection spell they weren't aware of. Willow was granted a life (Buffy) at the cost of one of the casters (Tara).
** Besides, there's that pesky issue that magical resurrection often leaves you in the same state you would've been in without any magic at all; see Darla's syphilis. Burning Tara alive so Willow could revive her as a gunshot victim isn't likely to help.
** Two things: 1) Could you really fling a fireball at the person you love and kill her on the off chance that it MIGHT lead to her later resurrection? Willow wouldn't have had long, and she's loves Tara way too much to destroy her personally even if it meant that there's the possibility of resurrection. And 2), the Urn of Osiris was destroyed after Buffy's revival, and it was unique, the spell couldn't have been cast again.
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