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* {{Revenge}}: Several of the woman who'd been raped want revenge on the men who did this, despite their orders by the elders to forgive them, which others' argue for.
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* {{Revenge}}: Several of the woman who'd been raped want revenge on the men who did this, despite their orders by the elders to forgive them, which others' others argue for.
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* TalkingDownTheSuicidal: [[spoiler:Salome, on seeing that August has a gun right before she leaves, realizes he plans to kill himself after this. However, after she tells August not to because he has important work ahead of him teaching the boys of the colony not to act like the men who'd raped them, he's dissuaded.]]
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* TalkingDownTheSuicidal: [[spoiler:Salome, on seeing that August has a gun right before she leaves, realizes he plans to kill himself after this. However, after she tells August not to because succeeds in dissuading him by telling that he has important work ahead of him him, teaching the boys of the colony not to act like the men who'd raped them, he's dissuaded.them.]]
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* DomesticAbuse: Mariche, even apart from being raped secretly like the other women, has been abused by her husband over many years. She repeatedly forgave him as her sect's principles dictate and her own mother had advised. After realizing what she's endured, her mother apologizes for doing so. When her husband returns, she gets beaten severely by him offscreen, left with a black eye and right arm in a sling.
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* DomesticAbuse: Mariche, even apart from being raped secretly like the other women, has been abused by her husband Klaas over many years. She repeatedly forgave him as her sect's principles dictate and her own mother had advised. After realizing what she's endured, her mother apologizes for doing so. When her husband returns, she gets beaten severely by him offscreen, left with a black eye and right arm in a sling.sling, all for trying to stop Klaas from hitting Autje (who snuck in late after taking the horses).
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* SuicidalGotcha: Mejal at one point declares that she doesn't want to live anymore and leaps out the hayloft window. It was a jape, as she had knowingly jumped onto a haystack below.
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* SuicidalGotcha: Mejal Autje at one point declares that she doesn't want to live anymore and leaps out the hayloft window. It was a jape, as she had knowingly jumped onto a haystack below.
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* SuicidalGotcha: Mejal at one point declares that she doesn't want to live anymore and leaps out the hayloft window. It was a jape, as she had knowingly jumped onto a haystack below.
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* UselessBystanderParent: Deconstructed. Mariche's defensive and abrasive demeanor is due to a combination of having young sons by her abusive husband and being conditioned to always forgive him for his abuse. In a heated moment, Ona accuses her of doing nothing to educate or protect her sons from this cycle of abuse. Mariche retorts that she doesn't really have a choice in the matter, and Ona doesn't understand her situation.
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* SpeechCentricWork: Most of the film consists of the women holding meetings in which they discuss the best course of action to take regarding the men's abuse of them.
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* NeverLearnedToRead: Education of girls in the Mennonite colony is very limited, so most female members can't really read or write. Thankfully, school teacher August helps them out with this when they're making plans.
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* TalkingDownTheSuicidal: [[spoiler:Salome, on seeing that August has a gun right before she leaves, realizes he plans to kill himself after this. However, after she tells August not to because he has important work ahead of him teaching the boys of the colony not to act like the men who'd raped them, he's dissuaded.]]
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* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: Most of the film is, indeed, just a group of women talking.
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* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: Most of the film is, indeed, just a group of women talking.talking about how to respond after learning men in the community have been repeatedly raping them, with their elders demanding they forgive this or leave.
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* SoProudOfYou: Agata tells August how proud they all are of him for his helping them near the end, assuring him that his mother would be too (she's dead), and he cries in response to this.
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* DomesticAbuse: Mariche, even apart from being raped secretly like the other women, has been abused by her husband over many years. She repeatedly forgave him as her sect's principles dictate and her own mother had advised. After realizing what she's endured, her mother apologizes for doing so. When her husband returns, she gets beaten severely by him offscreen, left with a black eye and left arm in a sling.
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* DomesticAbuse: Mariche, even apart from being raped secretly like the other women, has been abused by her husband over many years. She repeatedly forgave him as her sect's principles dictate and her own mother had advised. After realizing what she's endured, her mother apologizes for doing so. When her husband returns, she gets beaten severely by him offscreen, left with a black eye and left right arm in a sling.
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* ElectiveMute: Melvin, a trans teenage boy who looks after all the other kids in the colony, chooses to not speak after his rape from when he identified as a girl named Nettie.
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* ElectiveMute: Melvin, a trans teenage boy who looks after all the other kids in the colony, chooses to not speak after his rape from when he identified as a girl named Nettie. He speaks in the latter part of the film when they address him by his chosen name though.
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* DomesticAbuse: Mariche, even apart from being raped secretly like the other women, has been abused by her husband over many years. She repeatedly forgave him as her sect's principles dictate and her own mother had advised. After realizing what she's endured, her mother apologizes for doing so.
* ElectiveMute: Melvin, a trans teenager that looks after the other kids in the colony, chooses to not speak after his rape from when he identified as a girl named Nettie.
* ElectiveMute: Melvin, a trans teenager that looks after the other kids in the colony, chooses to not speak after his rape from when he identified as a girl named Nettie.
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* DomesticAbuse: Mariche, even apart from being raped secretly like the other women, has been abused by her husband over many years. She repeatedly forgave him as her sect's principles dictate and her own mother had advised. After realizing what she's endured, her mother apologizes for doing so.
so. When her husband returns, she gets beaten severely by him offscreen, left with a black eye and left arm in a sling.
* ElectiveMute: Melvin, a transteenager that teenage boy who looks after all the other kids in the colony, chooses to not speak after his rape from when he identified as a girl named Nettie.Nettie.
* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: Most of the film is, indeed, just a group of women talking.
* ElectiveMute: Melvin, a trans
* ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: Most of the film is, indeed, just a group of women talking.
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''Women Talking'' is a 2022 drama film from writer-director Creator/SarahPolley. It is based on a 2018 novel of the same name, which is in turn inspired by real life events occurring in the Mennonite community of the Manitoba Colony. The film stars Creator/RooneyMara, Creator/ClaireFoy, Creator/JessieBuckley, Creator/BenWhishaw, and Creator/FrancesMcDormand.
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''Women Talking'' is a 2022 American drama film from writer-director Creator/SarahPolley. It is based on a 2018 novel of the same name, which is in turn inspired by real life events occurring in the Mennonite community of the Manitoba Colony.Colony in Bolivia. The film stars Creator/RooneyMara, Creator/ClaireFoy, Creator/JessieBuckley, Creator/BenWhishaw, and Creator/FrancesMcDormand.
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* BasedOnATrueStory: 'The Ghost Rapes of Bolivia', to be exact. Look it up at your own risk, it doesn't have a happy ending.
* ChildByRape: Ona's pregnancy is a result of her rape. Some of the other children in the colony were also born as a result of the attacks.
* ChildByRape: Ona's pregnancy is a result of her rape. Some of the other children in the colony were also born as a result of the attacks.
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* BasedOnATrueStory: 'The "The Ghost Rapes of Bolivia', Bolivia", to be exact. Look it up at your own risk, it doesn't have a happy ending.
* BrotherSisterIncest: Melvin, a trans teenage boy, was raped by his brother [[ChildByRape and impregnated]], miscarrying later.
* ChildByRape: Ona's pregnancy is a result of her rape. Some of the other children in the colony were also born as a result of the attacks. Melvin (a teen trans boy) became pregnant by [[BrotherSisterIncest his brother raping him]], but miscarried.
* BrotherSisterIncest: Melvin, a trans teenage boy, was raped by his brother [[ChildByRape and impregnated]], miscarrying later.
* ChildByRape: Ona's pregnancy is a result of her rape. Some of the other children in the colony were also born as a result of the attacks. Melvin (a teen trans boy) became pregnant by [[BrotherSisterIncest his brother raping him]], but miscarried.
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* DomesticAbuse: Mariche, even apart from being raped secretly like the other women, has been abused by her husband over many years. She repeatedly forgave him as her sect's principles dictate and her own mother had advised. After realizing what she's endured, her mother apologizes for doing so.
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* {{Forgiveness}}: {{Discussed}} at length, since the elders of the colony ordered that every victim forgive their rapist or leave. Some of the women argue for this, based on their sect's values, but others refuse. Many realize that this forgiveness is a misuse, and used to permit further crimes against them, since the men never change their ways. Greta also asks for forgiveness from her daughter Mariche after advising she forgive her husband over many years when he'd [[DomesticAbuse abused her]].
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* NiceGuy: August is a sweet, gentle man who's the school teacher in the colony, serving as a {{foil}} to the unseen men who repeatedly raped the colony's women and girls (plus trans man Melvin). He helps them in their plans to leave, and apologizes immediately on inadvertently giving offense.
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* {{Revenge}}: Several of the woman who'd been raped want revenge on the men who did this, despite their orders by the elders to forgive them, which others' argue for.
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'''Neitje:''' I believe it's "fuck off"...
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'''Neitje:''' I believe it's "fuck off"...off"...
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: When religious patriarchy rules every aspect of women's behavior, it inevitably endorses and turns a blind eye to rape culture.
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* BasedOnATrueStory: 'The Ghost Rapes of Bolivia', to be exact. Look it up at your own risk, it doesn't have a happy ending.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: When religious patriarchy rules every aspect of women's behavior, it inevitably endorses and turns a blind eye to rape culture.
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->'''Janz:''' It is a part of our faith to forgive. We have always forgiven those who have wronged us. Why not now?\\
'''Salome:''' Because now we know better.
->'''Janz:''' It is a part of our faith to forgive. We have always forgiven those who have wronged us. Why not now?\\
'''Salome:''' Because now we know better.
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The film was nominated at the 95th Academy Awards for Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay.
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* ElectiveMute: Melvin, a trans teenager that looks after the other kids in the colony, chooses to not speak after his rape from when he identified as a girl named Nettie.
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In 2010, the women of a Mennonite colony discover that the men have been drugging them with cow tranquilizers and raping them. After their arrest, the women are given two days to forgive the men upon their return, or be forced to leave the colony and be denied entry into the kingdom of Heaven. Nine women gather in a hayloft to debate the pros and cons of their two options - stay and fight, or willingly leave.
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In 2010, the women of a Mennonite colony discover that the men have been drugging them with cow tranquilizers and raping them. After their arrest, the men are arrested, the women are given two days to forgive the men upon their return, or be forced to leave the colony and be denied entry into the kingdom of Heaven. Nine women gather in a hayloft to debate the pros and cons of their two options - stay and fight, or willingly leave.
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''Women Talking'' is a 2022 drama film from writer-director Creator/SarahPolley. It is based on a 2018 novel of the same name, which is in turn inspired by real life events occurring in the Mennonite community of the Manitoba Colony. The film stars Creator/RooneyMara, Creator/ClaireFoy, Creator/JessieBuckley, Creator/BenWhishaw, and Creator/FrancesMcDormand.
In 2010, the women of a Mennonite colony discover that the men have been drugging them with cow tranquilizers and raping them. After their arrest, the women are given two days to forgive the men upon their return, or be forced to leave the colony and be denied entry into the kingdom of Heaven. Nine women gather in a hayloft to debate the pros and cons of their two options - stay and fight, or willingly leave.
The film was nominated at the 95th Academy Awards for Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay.
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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:The women ultimately choose to leave the colony for their safety and the protection of their children. While they are uncertain of the world they are venturing into, as well as leaving a home they have always known (as well as some of their sons and brothers), they are at least free from their attackers and ready to start new lives.]]
* ChildByRape: Ona's pregnancy is a result of her rape. Some of the other children in the colony were also born as a result of the attacks.
* ChildhoodFriendRomance: August and Ona were friends as children before his family was excommunicated from the colony. He has always had feelings for her, and while it is never stated if she reciprocates those feelings, she at least acknowledges his and seems appreciative.
* MamaBear: All of the women are protective of their children, but Salome is the most adamant about staying and fighting, and she knows that if she were to stay in the colony, she would become a murderer to keep her daughter safe.
* PrecisionFStrike: Towards the end:
-->'''Ona:''' Mariche, I really am sorry...\\
'''Mariche:''' Oh, ''FUCK IT OFF!''\\
'''Agata:''' That is enough!\\
'''Neitje:''' I believe it's "fuck off"...
In 2010, the women of a Mennonite colony discover that the men have been drugging them with cow tranquilizers and raping them. After their arrest, the women are given two days to forgive the men upon their return, or be forced to leave the colony and be denied entry into the kingdom of Heaven. Nine women gather in a hayloft to debate the pros and cons of their two options - stay and fight, or willingly leave.
The film was nominated at the 95th Academy Awards for Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay.
!!The film provides examples of:
* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:The women ultimately choose to leave the colony for their safety and the protection of their children. While they are uncertain of the world they are venturing into, as well as leaving a home they have always known (as well as some of their sons and brothers), they are at least free from their attackers and ready to start new lives.]]
* ChildByRape: Ona's pregnancy is a result of her rape. Some of the other children in the colony were also born as a result of the attacks.
* ChildhoodFriendRomance: August and Ona were friends as children before his family was excommunicated from the colony. He has always had feelings for her, and while it is never stated if she reciprocates those feelings, she at least acknowledges his and seems appreciative.
* MamaBear: All of the women are protective of their children, but Salome is the most adamant about staying and fighting, and she knows that if she were to stay in the colony, she would become a murderer to keep her daughter safe.
* PrecisionFStrike: Towards the end:
-->'''Ona:''' Mariche, I really am sorry...\\
'''Mariche:''' Oh, ''FUCK IT OFF!''\\
'''Agata:''' That is enough!\\
'''Neitje:''' I believe it's "fuck off"...
