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Ngoc Minh Quan (Chan), a Chinese restaurant owner and businessman, lived in London with his daughter (Creator/KatieLeung) leading a humble, peaceful life with her. But after she is suddenly killed in a bombing by Irish terrorists, a broken, vengeful Quan goes on the warpath to discover the terrorists' identities and make them pay for their crimes, which brings him into conflict with British government official Liam Hennessy (Creator/PierceBrosnan).
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Ngoc Minh Quan (Chan), a Chinese restaurant owner and businessman, lived lives in London with his daughter (Creator/KatieLeung) leading a humble, peaceful life with her. But after she is suddenly killed in a bombing by Irish terrorists, a broken, vengeful Quan goes on the warpath to discover the terrorists' identities and make them pay for their crimes, which brings him into conflict with British government official Liam Hennessy (Creator/PierceBrosnan).
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* MundaneSolution: Hennessy tries many methods to neutralize Quan, finally bringing in his nephew Sean to try and defeat him. In case Sean fails in his effort, Hennessy gives Sean some backup orders: [spoiler: just give Quan the information he's been asking for in the hopes it will make him go away.]]
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* MundaneSolution: Hennessy tries many methods to neutralize Quan, finally bringing in his nephew Sean to try and defeat him. In case Sean fails in his effort, Hennessy gives Sean some backup orders: [spoiler: [[spoiler: just give Quan the information he's been asking for in the hopes it will make him go away.]]
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* MundaneSolution: Hennessy tries many methods to neutralize Quan, finally bringing in his nephew Sean to try and defeat him. In case Sean fails in his effort, Hennessy gives Sean some backup orders: [spoiler: just give Quan the information he's been asking for in the hopes it will make him go away.]]
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* ElitesAreMoreGlamorous: Quan is a former British special forces soldier who served in Vietnam.
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* ElitesAreMoreGlamorous: Quan is a former British special forces soldier trained by the Americans who served in Vietnam.
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* AdaptationalNationality: In the novel, the titular "China Man", Nguyen Ngoc Minh, is actually Vietnamese who gets mistaken for Chinese and has served with the Viet Cong before defecting to the US side. In the movie, Jackie's character, Ngoc Minh Quan, is [[Chinese Nuang https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoa_people]] who served with the US Special Forces during the Vietnam War.
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* AdaptationalNationality: In the novel, the titular "China Man", Nguyen Ngoc Minh, is actually Vietnamese who gets mistaken for Chinese and has served with the Viet Cong before defecting to the US side. In the movie, Jackie's character, Ngoc Minh Quan, is [[Chinese Nuang https://en.[[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoa_people]] org/wiki/Hoa_people Chinese Nuang]] who served with the US Special Forces during the Vietnam War.
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* AdaptationalNationality: In the novel, the titular "China Man", Nguyen Ngoc Minh, is actually Vietnamese who gets mistaken for Chinese and has served with the Viet Cong before defecting to the US side. In the movie, Jackie's character, Ngoc Minh Quan, is Hong Kong Chinese who served with the British Special Forces during the Vietnam War.
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* AdaptationalNationality: In the novel, the titular "China Man", Nguyen Ngoc Minh, is actually Vietnamese who gets mistaken for Chinese and has served with the Viet Cong before defecting to the US side. In the movie, Jackie's character, Ngoc Minh Quan, is Hong Kong Chinese [[Chinese Nuang https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoa_people]] who served with the British US Special Forces during the Vietnam War.
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* RefugeeFromTime: In the original novel, the equivalent character to Quan's daughter Fan was a twentysomething student in the early 1990s when the novel was set (which made sense, as she was a small child when the family escaped Vietnam following the end of the war there). The film adaptation moved the main action of the novel forward 20 or 25 years to be set in roughly 2017, but kept Fan's backstory the same - yet she's still a twentysomething student in the film, rather than being in her mid-forties as one might expect.
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This is a completely different trope.
* AnalogyBackfire: Quan makes a metaphor about how politics and terrorism are both ends of a snake, and how regardless of which end you grab, it's still a snake. Hennessy makes no effort to refute this and counters by telling him that one end of the snake bites.
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* NoExceptYes: Quan makes a metaphor about how politics and terrorism are both ends of a snake, and how regardless of which end you grab, it's still a snake. Hennessy makes no effort to refute this and counters by telling him that one end of the snake bites.
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* NoExceptYes: Quan makes a metaphor about how politics and terrorism are both ends of a snake, and how regardless of which end you grab, it's still a snake. Hennessy makes no effort to refute this and counters by telling him that one end of the snake bites.
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* YoungerThanTheyLook: Per his Facebook, Jackie Chan wore makeup and had his hair frosted to look older and more weathered.
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You can find the first trailer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9YCk7ufHs here]] and second trailer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BHMRycidvw here]]. Not to be confused with Creator/StevenSeagal's 2003 film of the same name or the 1984 stage play also called ''Theatre/TheForeigner''
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You can find the first trailer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9YCk7ufHs here]] and second trailer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BHMRycidvw here]]. Not to be confused with Creator/StevenSeagal's 2003 film of the same name or the 1984 stage play also called ''Theatre/TheForeigner''''Theatre/TheForeigner''.
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* AwfulWeddedLife: Liam and Mary Hennessy can't stand each other and apparently haven't been able to for years. [[Mary is eventually assassinated on Liam's orders after he finds out she betrayed him in multiple ways.]]
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* AwfulWeddedLife: Liam and Mary Hennessy can't stand each other and apparently haven't been able to for years. [[Mary [[spoiler:Mary is eventually assassinated on Liam's orders after he finds out she betrayed him in multiple ways.]]
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* AwfulWeddedLife: Liam and Mary Hennessy can't stand each other and apparently haven't been able to for years. [[Mary is eventually assassinated on Liam's orders after he finds out she betrayed him in multiple ways.]]
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** Quan's actions had one actual direct effect. [[spoiler: By worrying Hennessy into putting surveillance on his own wife, Hennessy ends up discovering her affair with Sean. Without this information, it's probable that Hennessy would have assumed that Sean himself leaked the plan to the bombers instead of putting together that Mary was responsible for doing so. This isn't something that Quan intended to do, and in fact he never finds out about it.]]
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* JustOneMan: Hennessy explicitly rants about this the ''first'' time Quan beats up, then escapes from, a group of four men. As the movie progresses, Hennessy gradually gets used to it.
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* KillerCop: The police have no more respect for the rules than Quan does. [[spoiler: When they capture the last surviving terrorist, they torture her to find out where the bomb went, then execute her on the spot.]]
* OneSteveLimit: Averted. Sean is the name of Hennessy's [[TheDragon Dragon]], and also one of his men. This is Ireland, of course, so the aversion is {{justified}}).
* PunchClockVillain: Sean isn't evil at all, but he's doing wetwork for Hennessy.
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* RetiredBadass: Quan is ex-special forces.
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* RetiredBadass: RetiredBadass:
** Quan is ex-specialforces.forces.
** Liam is an IRA leader who went (mostly) legit, and still knows how to run an op and extract information via a bullet to the leg.
** Sean served in the Royal Irish Regiment, and is still a veteran tracker who can give Quan a run for his money.
** Quan is ex-special
** Liam is an IRA leader who went (mostly) legit, and still knows how to run an op and extract information via a bullet to the leg.
** Sean served in the Royal Irish Regiment, and is still a veteran tracker who can give Quan a run for his money.
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* RightHandVersusLeftHand: The police want to catch the terrorists. Liam wants to take care of them internally so that they don't
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* TwoDecadesBehind: A ZigZaggingTrope. The film is set in 2017, yet Irish terrorists blowing up British streets haven't been an issue for over 20 years due to the peace accords signed in 1998 and the IRA disarming in 2005. The main reason is due to the fact that the novel the film is adapting, ''The Chinaman'', was originally published in 1992 when the Provisional IRA's bombing campaign was in full swing. Yet at the same time, the UK is facing massive security threats from Islamic terrorists, both foreign infiltrators and homegrown jihadists. At the time of the movie's release in October 2017, the UK had already suffered almost half a dozen major terrorist attacks that same year, including a bombing at an Creator/ArianaGrande concert in Manchester that killed 22. The odd conclusion is that while the movie's politics and perpetrators are out of place, the overall plot is very current and applicable.
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** [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. She also seduces a reporter in order to plant the final bomb in his laptop. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
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** [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress Maggie turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. She also seduces a reporter in order to plant the final bomb in his laptop. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
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* JackBauerInterrogationTechnique: [[spoiler: The police use this to extract the bomb's location from Maggie.]]
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* TranquilFury: Quan spends most of the movie in this state.
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* WouldNotHitAGirl: [[spoiler:Quan]] spares [[spoiler: Maggie]] in the final showdown. Though given that she was hit by a stray bullet earlier, it's possible he thought she was dead.
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* PinballProtagonist: Other than kicking ass, Quan doesn't really do much to impact the plot. Hennessy was already investigating the bombing before Quan got involved. Hennessy got the list of the bombers and sent it to the UK government before Quan even got the list himself. [[spoiler:And the London police were already about the interrogate and/or kill the bombers when Quan snuck in and did it himself. Quan didn't even find out anything about the laptop bomb.]] Arguably the only thing Quan did that impacted the plot was [[spoiler:taking pictures of Hennessy and his mistress and getting them posted online.]] But any consequences of that would be after the movie ends.
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* GoodIsNotSoft: Quan's cause is just, but his methods are downright frightening.
* HoneyPot: [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. She also seduces a reporter in order to plant the final bomb in his laptop. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
* HoneyPot: [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. She also seduces a reporter in order to plant the final bomb in his laptop. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
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* GoodIsNotSoft: GoodIsNotSoft:
** Quan's cause is just, but his methods are downright frightening.
** The British police officers who [[spoiler:arrest Maggie torture her for information on her group's latest bomb plot and then execute her in cold blood.]]
*HoneyPot: HoneyPot:
** [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. She also seduces a reporter in order to plant the final bomb in his laptop. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
** [[spoiler: Hennessy's own wife Mary is this to Sean, seducing and tricking him into revealing Hennessy's plans to root out the rogue IRA cell so she can tip them off.]]
** Quan's cause is just, but his methods are downright frightening.
** The British police officers who [[spoiler:arrest Maggie torture her for information on her group's latest bomb plot and then execute her in cold blood.]]
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** [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. She also seduces a reporter in order to plant the final bomb in his laptop. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
** [[spoiler: Hennessy's own wife Mary is this to Sean, seducing and tricking him into revealing Hennessy's plans to root out the rogue IRA cell so she can tip them off.]]
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* NotSoDifferent: Both Quan and Hennessy have much in common. Both were fighters in a past war that resulted in the deaths of many of their loved ones, resulting in them doing whatever they can to keep their remaining family safe.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bromley is sympathetic to Quan's situation, and [[spoiler:when he discovers that Quan is the one responsible for killing most of the IRA terrorists, he decides not to arrest him.]]
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bromley is sympathetic to Quan's situation, and [[spoiler:when he discovers that Quan is the one responsible for killing most of the IRA terrorists, he decides not to arrest him.]]
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: [[spoiler:Hennessy originally ordered the bombing in order to scare the British government into pardoning several ex-IRA members. He also had specific orders that innocents not be hurt.]]
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* HoneyPot: [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
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* RightForTheWrongReasons: [[spoiler:At the end, Quan assumes that because he identified one of the bombers as Hennessy's mistress, he must have been behind the whole thing. As it turns out, Hennessy ''was'' the one who planned to use bombings to leverage pardons for his fellow IRA members out of the British government, he just never intended for them to target innocents. But even so, he had no idea who any of the bombers were, and his mistress got with him solely so that the extremists would be able to blackmail him if he turned on them.]]
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: The villains are a group of bombers targeting civilians. Quan, Hennessy and the british police all do their utmost to bring them to justice, but do so using brutal methods.
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: The villains are a group of bombers targeting civilians. Quan, Hennessy and the british British police all do their utmost to bring them to justice, but do so using brutal methods.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: [[spoiler:While Hennessy was the one who ordered the bombings, he is still disgusted that his men ignored his orders not to get civilians killed]].
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* RetiredBadass: Quan is ex-special forces.
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: The villains are a group of bombers targeting civilians. Quan, Hennessy and the british police all do their utmost to bring them to justice, but do so using brutal methods.
* HoneyPot: [[spoiler: Hennessy's mistress turns out to be one of the bombers, planted to discredit him. His wife also has a relationship with his nephew, and ends up getting information through it that delays the investigation.]]
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* TortureAlwaysWorks: Multiple times throughout the film, even when it shouldn't. [[spoiler:Even at the end, when the last surviving bomber knows that all she has to do is lie or wait a few minutes for the bomb to go off, she gives the correct information just in time for the cops to prevent casualties.]]
* WesternTerrorists: The terrorists areapparently Irish, or at least from Europe.Irish.
* WesternTerrorists: The terrorists are
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You can find the first trailer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9YCk7ufHs here]]. Not to be confused with Creator/StevenSeagal's 2003 film of the same name or the 1984 stage play also called ''Theatre/TheForeigner''
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You can find the first trailer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9YCk7ufHs here]] and second trailer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BHMRycidvw here]]. Not to be confused with Creator/StevenSeagal's 2003 film of the same name or the 1984 stage play also called ''Theatre/TheForeigner''
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* BloodierAndGorier: Than the vast majority of films of Chan's.
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* AdaptationalNationality: In the novel, the titular "China Man", Nguyen Ngoc Minh, is actually Vietnamese who gets mistaken for Chinese and has served with the Viet Cong before defecting to the US side. In the movie, Jackie's character, Ngoc Minh Quan, is Hong Kong Chinese who served with the British Special Forces during the Vietnam War.
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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: Liam Hennessy appears to be based on two real life Irish politicians; his looks are based on Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams, and his position as Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland is based on the late Deputy First Minister Martin [=McGuinness=]. Like Hennessy, both Adams and [=McGuinness=] have links to the IRA.
