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* ArmorPiercingResponse: After being called naive by Kirei for letting her love for Kiritsugu blind her to the danger of his ambition, Irisviel asks if Kirei even understands love, which shocks her when Kirei tells her that he has a daughter and a now deceased wife, how he handed over the former to her grandparents because he sees himself unfit to raise a child, and how disturbed he was when the latter's last words were how she now believes that he truly loves her despite his stoic look when the truth is not that.
* BrokenPedestal: It was initially {{Implied|Trope}} when Kirei told Loki that learning about Sakura while spying on the Truce Meeting is the first time Risei's blind loyalty toward Tokiomi is shaken. Then it becomes more apparent when Tokiomi insists on taking Sakura away from Loki even though there's a real chance that Sakura either is happier with Loki despises him for handing her over to the Matous.
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** Kirei ends up revealing Command Seal's true nature to Gilgamesh in hopes of sowing bigger discord between him and Tokiomi.
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** Kirei ends up revealing Command Seal's true nature to Gilgamesh in hopes of sowing a bigger discord between him and Tokiomi.
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* BrokenPedestal: Kirei told Loki that learning about Sakura while spying on the Truce Meeting is the first time Risei's blind loyalty toward Tokiomi is shaken.
* DespairEventHorizon:
** Arturia initially has one from learning that Berserker is Lancelot.
** Irisviel resigned after being kidnapped by Loki & Medea and have Maiya killed in front of her.
** Arturia initially has one from learning that Berserker is Lancelot.
** Irisviel resigned after being kidnapped by Loki & Medea and have Maiya killed in front of her.
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* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: Kiritsugu killing Kariya to take over Berserker's ownership so he can stay in the Holy Grail War is seen as this by Loki & Arturia.
-->He now had a chance again, a chance to win the Holy Grail War and save the world, make it peaceful, no matter what the cost. Nothing would stop him. Not even Loki.\\
-->He now had a chance again, a chance to win the Holy Grail War and save the world, make it peaceful, no matter what the cost. Nothing would stop him. Not even Loki.\\
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* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope:
** Kiritsugu killing Kariya to take over Berserker's ownership so he can stay in the Holy Grail War is seen as this by Loki & Arturia.
-->He --->He now had a chance again, a chance to win the Holy Grail War and save the world, make it peaceful, no matter what the cost. Nothing would stop him. Not even Loki.\\
** Kiritsugu killing Kariya to take over Berserker's ownership so he can stay in the Holy Grail War is seen as this by Loki & Arturia.
** Tokiomi crosses his when he tells Risei that he plans to kill Loki and take Sakura back, despite the real chance that Sakura will forever hate him, while silently pondering if other Magus families are willing to adopt her, proving that he learns nothing.
* LivingMacGuffin: Sakura; Kariya wants to take her out of the Matous, Loki & Medea want the same and to protect her and make her happy, Tokiomi intends to reclaim her from Loki, and Kiritsugu swears that he'll raise her if he wins the war.
* TookALevelInBadass: Sakura after drinking the potion that removes the Crest Worms in her, which turns her into part-Frost Giant from Loki's blood and has bigger mana reserves from Medea's. This lets her [[CrossoverPowerAcquisition wields Casket of Ancient Winters]] and becomes Arturia's Master for the final battle.
* TooDesperateToBePicky: Kariya, being dying, is more than willing to beg for Loki's help to save Sakura, to his surprise as the latter was trying to hypnotize him to trust him more.
* TooDesperateToBePicky: Kariya, being dying, is more than willing to beg for Loki's help to save Sakura, to his surprise as the latter was trying to hypnotize him to trust him more.
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* TooDesperateToBePicky: Kariya, being dying, is more than willing to beg for Loki's help to save Sakura, to his surprise as the latter was trying to hypnotize him to trust him more.
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* AdaptationSpeciesChange: Sakura becomes part-Frost Giant as the result of drinking Medea potions that purge Crest Worms out of her body, which contain Loki's blood as part of the ingredients.
** Kirei gives one to Kiritsugu after the latter swore to defeat everyone and adopt Sakura, even if she'll never forgive him for killing Kariya.
--->"You are fighting for an ideal that will never be fulfilled in its entirety...but Loki and Caster are fighting to safeguard that girl. I wonder...does that make you the hero, or the villain?"
--->"You are fighting for an ideal that will never be fulfilled in its entirety...but Loki and Caster are fighting to safeguard that girl. I wonder...does that make you the hero, or the villain?"
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* ConsummateLiar: It isn't Loki if doesn't do this.
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* TheConfidant: Loki and later Gilgamesh become the first people who learn of Kirei's hidden psychopathy and with whom he talks about it.
* ConsummateLiar: It isn't Loki if he doesn't do this.
* ConsummateLiar: It isn't Loki if he doesn't do this.
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** In Canon, Maiya was killed by Berserker. Here, she was killed by Medea to kidnap Irisviel as bait for Kiritsugu.
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** In Canon, Maiya was killed by Berserker. Here, she was killed by Medea by [[MurderBySuicide using magic threads to make her shoot herself]] to kidnap Irisviel as bait for Kiritsugu.
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* EqualOpportunityOffender: Loki assures Arturia that he mocks and making fun of everyone.
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* EmergencyTransformation: Medea creates a potion that would turn Sakura's Crest Worms into Magic Crest. Because it contains both Loki's & Medea's blood as the ingredients, Sakura becomes part Frost Giant with Medea's eyes & ears and Loki's hair -- with a strand of purple from Medea --, light blue skin and leaner face. Thankfully, [[SubvertedTrope Loki teaches her illusion magic to make her able to turn her looks into her previous human one]].
* EqualOpportunityOffender: Loki assures Arturia that he mocks andmaking makes fun of everyone.
* EqualOpportunityOffender: Loki assures Arturia that he mocks and
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** He was mildly shaken when Kariya died as he spies on him at the temple with Sakura, admitting that, while still disliking him for coveting Aoi's heart, he had misjudged the Matou's WhiteSheep, and stated that nobody deserves to go out as he does. The assassination also motivates Tokiomi to leave a letter of will for his wife in case he doesn't survive the Holy Grail War.
* HiddenDisdainReveal: Loki expects this from Medea, considering her past and that he is a god, but turns out to be {{Subverted|Trope}}; When Loki asks her that, Medea says that The Gods she despises are of the Greek pantheon, not Nordic's and that he's technically not a real God, just a mortal with long lifespan.
* HiddenDisdainReveal: Loki expects this from Medea, considering her past and that he is a god, but turns out to be {{Subverted|Trope}}; When Loki asks her that, Medea says that The Gods she despises are of the Greek pantheon, not Nordic's and that he's technically not a real God, just a mortal with long lifespan.
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** He was mildly shaken when Kariya died as he spies on him at the temple with Sakura, admitting that, while still disliking him for coveting Aoi's heart, heart to the end, he had misjudged the Matou's WhiteSheep, and stated that nobody deserves to go out as he does. The assassination also motivates Tokiomi to leave a letter of will for his wife in case he doesn't survive the Holy Grail War.
* HiddenDisdainReveal: Loki expects this from Medea, considering her past and that he is a god, but turns out to be {{Subverted|Trope}}; When Loki asks her that, Medea says that The Gods she despises are of the Greek pantheon, notNordic's Nordic's, and that he's technically not a real God, just a mortal with long lifespan.
* HiddenDisdainReveal: Loki expects this from Medea, considering her past and that he is a god, but turns out to be {{Subverted|Trope}}; When Loki asks her that, Medea says that The Gods she despises are of the Greek pantheon, not
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** Medea uses ''Rule Breaker'' on Arturia's Servant Contract, becoming her Master, which eventually leads to Kiritsugu killing Kariya to take Berserker as his new Servant
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** Medea uses ''Rule Breaker'' on Arturia's Servant Contract, becoming her Master, which eventually leads to Kiritsugu making an alliance with Waver and later killing Kariya to take Berserker as his new ServantServant.
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** Kirei, whose way of thinking now absorbing Loki's, rejects Gilgamesh's Canon offer to backstab Tokiomi and become his Master, stating that he will join forces with the Frost Giant regardless and that the two would probably end up butting heads if he agrees to do that.
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** Kirei, whose way of thinking now absorbing follows Loki's, rejects Gilgamesh's Canon offer to backstab Tokiomi and become his Master, stating that he will join forces with the Frost Giant regardless and that the two would probably end up butting heads if he agrees to do that.
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* RacialTransformation: Sakura becomes part-Frost Giant as the result of drinking Medea potions that turn the Crest Worms in her into Magic Crest, which contain Loki's blood as part of the ingredients.
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** Kirei gives one to Kiritsugu after the latter finds Irisviel disappeared, stating that winning the Holy Grail War and having his wish for world peace granted might not satisfy him.
--->"Indeed, a hero needs a monster, a villain, to define themselves...for what are they without them? What will you do when you gain the peace you search for, Emiya? Will the Grail remove the memories of your many sins? Or will it be there, as you live happily ever after with your family? You would be a hero without a cause, instead of a hero without cease. Pitiful."
--->"Indeed, a hero needs a monster, a villain, to define themselves...for what are they without them? What will you do when you gain the peace you search for, Emiya? Will the Grail remove the memories of your many sins? Or will it be there, as you live happily ever after with your family? You would be a hero without a cause, instead of a hero without cease. Pitiful."
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** When Loki agrees to get Illya out of the Einzbern family but no more since trying to help all the children in the world is insane, [[Literature/FateApocrypha Atlanta]] sneezes.
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'''Meda:''' *''Scoffs with a blush''* We are betrayers and betrayed both. We're made for each other.
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* UnholyMatrimony: PlayedWith; This does fit Loki & Medea's eventual relationship, being God of Lies and Witch of Betrayal, but they have grown fond of one another and love Sakura like their own daughter. The potion she brews to reconstruct Sakura's Crest Worms into Magic Crest even has the side effect of giving her both of their traits, making her their daughter by blood.
-->'''Loki:''' My dear Medea...is this a proposal? My, my, I don't think we have truly courted each other yet.\\
'''Meda:''' *''Scoffs with a blush''* We are betrayers and betrayed both. We're made for each other.
-->'''Loki:''' My dear Medea...is this a proposal? My, my, I don't think we have truly courted each other yet.\\
'''Meda:''' *''Scoffs with a blush''* We are betrayers and betrayed both. We're made for each other.
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--->'''Gilgamesh:''' "I see. And why did you tell me that piece of information? Knowing what you are, it cannot have been out of altruism. Has the Liesmith been an even greater influence on you than I thought?\\
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--->'''Gilgamesh:''' "I I see. And why did you tell me that piece of information? Knowing what you are, it cannot have been out of altruism. Has the Liesmith been an even greater influence on you than I thought?\\
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'''Loki:''' Never, as long as I draw breath. Any who try to reclaim you, barring your Uncle Kariya, I shall abjure or slay.
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'''Loki:''' Never, as long as I draw breath. [[DeclarationOfProtection Any who try to reclaim you, barring your Uncle Kariya, I shall abjure or slay.slay]].
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* TheChainsOfCommanding: Loki eventually realizes that leadership is not a privilege, but a burden, something Arturia eventually accepts.
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* TheChainsOfCommanding: Loki eventually realizes that leadership is not a privilege, but a burden, something Arturia eventually accepts.accepts, and those that watches his journey from Asgard agrees on, even if it comes off as cynical to them.
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* BrutalHonesty: Loki is a firm believer that this is a superior tool over lies.
-->"Lies are insidious, Arturia, but the truth can sometimes be the most painful weapon of all. I may be known as Loki Liesmith, but I know that better than anyone."
-->"Lies are insidious, Arturia, but the truth can sometimes be the most painful weapon of all. I may be known as Loki Liesmith, but I know that better than anyone."
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* BrutalHonesty: BrutalHonesty:
** Loki is a firm believer that this is a superior tool over lies.
-->"Lies --->"Lies are insidious, Arturia, but the truth can sometimes be the most painful weapon of all. I may be known as Loki Liesmith, but I know that better than anyone.""
** Kirei ends up revealing Command Seal's true nature to Gilgamesh in hopes of sowing bigger discord between him and Tokiomi.
--->'''Gilgamesh:''' "I see. And why did you tell me that piece of information? Knowing what you are, it cannot have been out of altruism. Has the Liesmith been an even greater influence on you than I thought?\\
'''Kirei:''' [[MeaningfulEcho The truth is a more dangerous and painful weapon than a lie]], and perhaps I have acquired Loki's enjoyment of sowing discord. And exposing the lies of others as opposed to telling those of your own feels...satisfying. I am a man of the cloth, after all, and to lie is a sin.
** Loki is a firm believer that this is a superior tool over lies.
** Kirei ends up revealing Command Seal's true nature to Gilgamesh in hopes of sowing bigger discord between him and Tokiomi.
--->'''Gilgamesh:''' "I see. And why did you tell me that piece of information? Knowing what you are, it cannot have been out of altruism. Has the Liesmith been an even greater influence on you than I thought?\\
'''Kirei:''' [[MeaningfulEcho The truth is a more dangerous and painful weapon than a lie]], and perhaps I have acquired Loki's enjoyment of sowing discord. And exposing the lies of others as opposed to telling those of your own feels...satisfying. I am a man of the cloth, after all, and to lie is a sin.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Loki has discovered a new low: Crest Worms.
-->"And if your patriarch is disgusting enough to defile a young child with Crest Worms...there are many things that offend my sensibilities, Kariya Matou, but despite my only knowing of them for a short period, Crest Worms have quickly become one of my most detested things."
-->"And if your patriarch is disgusting enough to defile a young child with Crest Worms...there are many things that offend my sensibilities, Kariya Matou, but despite my only knowing of them for a short period, Crest Worms have quickly become one of my most detested things."
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: EvenEvilHasStandards:
** Loki has discovered a new low: Crest Worms.
-->"And --->"And if your patriarch is disgusting enough to defile a young child with Crest Worms...there are many things that offend my sensibilities, Kariya Matou, but despite my only knowing of them for a short period, Crest Worms have quickly become one of my most detested things."
** As sadistic as Kirei is, he doesn't actively wish someone to end up suffering, nor stubbornness as shown in Tokiomi trying to get Sakura back from Loki, as he tells his father.
--->"I may enjoy the sight of suffering, but it does not mean I truly desire it to happen. What do you think Sakura will do when Tokiomi tries to take her back? Welcome him with open arms? Play Happy Families? He discarded her like trash to that old worm Matou, and even when he had learned the truth, about why Kariya became a Master...he doesn't care. How long before Sakura is pimped out to another Magus family? [...] Sakura will not come back to Tokiomi willingly, not after he condemned her, even in ignorance, to a hell filled with Crest Worms. And yet, when I saw Tokiomi intending to retrieve the daughter he disowned, I saw not a concerned father, but a Magus whose pride had been wounded. I may have the excuse of being a monster, father...but you're helping a man who would most likely pimp out his daughter once more."
** Loki has discovered a new low: Crest Worms.
** As sadistic as Kirei is, he doesn't actively wish someone to end up suffering, nor stubbornness as shown in Tokiomi trying to get Sakura back from Loki, as he tells his father.
--->"I may enjoy the sight of suffering, but it does not mean I truly desire it to happen. What do you think Sakura will do when Tokiomi tries to take her back? Welcome him with open arms? Play Happy Families? He discarded her like trash to that old worm Matou, and even when he had learned the truth, about why Kariya became a Master...he doesn't care. How long before Sakura is pimped out to another Magus family? [...] Sakura will not come back to Tokiomi willingly, not after he condemned her, even in ignorance, to a hell filled with Crest Worms. And yet, when I saw Tokiomi intending to retrieve the daughter he disowned, I saw not a concerned father, but a Magus whose pride had been wounded. I may have the excuse of being a monster, father...but you're helping a man who would most likely pimp out his daughter once more."
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** He didn't know about the Matou's Crest Worms and silently thanked Loki for rescuing Sakura from them, while hoping that he could just attend the Truce meeting in person to personally apologize to her, but his need to win the Holy Grail and lack of intel of the attendant's capabilities hold him back.
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** He didn't know about the Matou's Crest Worms and silently thanked Loki for rescuing Sakura from them, while hoping that he could just attend the Truce meeting in person to personally apologize to her, but not only his need to win the Holy Grail and lack of intel of the attendant's capabilities hold him back.back, it's later revealed that [[SubvertedTrope he want Sakura back less as a regretful father and more as a slighted Magus threatened by losing his bloodline]].
** After his outburst towards Irisviel & Tokiomi, Kirei admits to his father that he is secretly a psychopath and keeping it hidden because he is ashamed of himself from it.
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* Loki, Medea & Arturia team up to rescue Sakura from Zouken.
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** Kirei, whose way of thinking now absorbing Loki's, rejects Gilgamesh's Canon offer to backstab Tokiomi and become his Master, stating that he will join forces with the Frost Giant regardless and that the two would probably end up butting heads if he agrees to do that.
** Kirei gives one to Irisviel due to blindly putting faith in [[WellIntentionedExtremist Kiritsugu]] and to Tokiomi for not only trying to ally with [[TheUnfettered Kiritsugu]] -- knowing that the hitman will break it as soon as it is convenient, but also for trying to get Sakura back even though not only she is happier with Loki, he is responsible for how she ended up with Zouken in the first place.
--->"Do you seriously believe the Magus Killer will honour any bargain you make with him? He desires peace for all humanity with the Grail, but has no idea of how it can be achieved. He doesn't care that he will leave many bodies and widows and orphans grieving in his wake. Then again...neither would I, but I at least '''try''' to be a better man than I already am. You (Irisviel) are a doll who has been seduced by a bloodsoaked killer's childish dream of redemption, thinks only the Grail can provide. You (Waver) want prestige because of Clock Tower being filled with nepotistic fools, and your ambition exceeds your ability. And you (Tokiomi)...you used me and my Servant as tools to assure your victory. And for what? Akasha? Or Heaven's Feel? Why didn't you consider wishing for the happiness of yourself and your family? That your daughters wouldn't need to be separated? No, the duty of a Magus exceeds trivial concerns like ''family''. I may be less than human...but I am better than most of those present."
--->"Do you seriously believe the Magus Killer will honour any bargain you make with him? He desires peace for all humanity with the Grail, but has no idea of how it can be achieved. He doesn't care that he will leave many bodies and widows and orphans grieving in his wake. Then again...neither would I, but I at least '''try''' to be a better man than I already am. You (Irisviel) are a doll who has been seduced by a bloodsoaked killer's childish dream of redemption, thinks only the Grail can provide. You (Waver) want prestige because of Clock Tower being filled with nepotistic fools, and your ambition exceeds your ability. And you (Tokiomi)...you used me and my Servant as tools to assure your victory. And for what? Akasha? Or Heaven's Feel? Why didn't you consider wishing for the happiness of yourself and your family? That your daughters wouldn't need to be separated? No, the duty of a Magus exceeds trivial concerns like ''family''. I may be less than human...but I am better than most of those present."
* SparedButNotForgiven: Even though she didn't want to kill Kirei, Irisviel still blames him for causing Arturia to be taken away by Loki & Medea, therefore she didn't want to join forces with Tokiomi unless Kirei leaves Fuyuki if not Japan.
* VillainRespect: Gilgamesh respects Loki because, despite his "insolence", he recognizes him by merely drinking his wine, and he enjoys the brand of chaos that Loki instigates.
** When he sees that Kirei has leaned more on Loki's guidance to channel his inner darkness over his own, he practically admits defeat in the psychological tug-of-war, and states that he will miss the priest.
--->"Without you, this Grail War would have been tedious beyond my ability to tolerate," Gilgamesh said. "Still...if you do this, and defect to Loki's side, I will have to kill you when we next meet. I will regret doing so, but I will."
** When he sees that Kirei has leaned more on Loki's guidance to channel his inner darkness over his own, he practically admits defeat in the psychological tug-of-war, and states that he will miss the priest.
--->"Without you, this Grail War would have been tedious beyond my ability to tolerate," Gilgamesh said. "Still...if you do this, and defect to Loki's side, I will have to kill you when we next meet. I will regret doing so, but I will."
* WhereDidWeGoWrong: Downplayed; After Kirei tells him of his inner darkness, Risei asks this, to which Kirei replies that while the elder priest did teach him enough morals to make him hate how sadistic his true self is, it also help him holding it back.
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* WhyDidntIThinkOfThat: As he watches Loki's journey through the crystal ball from Zelretch, The Grandmaster wonders if he can create his own Holy Grail War as a new game on Sakaar, something that Zelretch more than able to help.
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* WhyDidntIThinkOfThat: As he watches Loki's journey through the crystal ball from Zelretch, The Grandmaster wonders if he can create his own Holy Grail War as a new game on Sakaar, something that Zelretch the Dead Apostle is more than able to help.
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'''Arturia:''' "Am I? Especially as Lancelot turned out as...that beast?\\
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'''Arturia:''' "Am Am I? Especially as Lancelot turned out as...that beast?\\
* YouDoNotWantToKnow: Self-inflicted; Aoi initially wonders what did her husband had done that anger Loki and causes him to take Sakura away from the Matous, before deciding that she doesn't want to find out.
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--->"You may think that I am coddling you, insulting your strength, that you are more than capable of fighting these foes. And you are correct, you are capable of fighting those foes. But there's still a very real chance of your defeat, your death. You may be resigned to that, but I...*''Chuckles''* I do believe I have grown attached to you. Not as much as I have to Medea, but you...you have many of my brother's more annoying tendencies...and yet...you know how better to be a king.
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--->"You may think that I am coddling you, insulting your strength, that you are more than capable of fighting these foes. And you are correct, you are capable of fighting those foes. But there's still a very real chance of your defeat, your death. You may be resigned to that, but I...*''Chuckles''* I do believe I have grown attached to you. Not as much as I have to Medea, but you...you have many of my brother's more annoying tendencies...and yet...you know how better to be a king."
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* AsTheGoodBookSays: Kirei initially admits that he thinks Kariya is a UnreliableExpositor about Tokiomi since he is still in love with his wife, breaking the 9th Commandment, which makes Kariya responding by saying that if that's the case, then Tokiomi is a hypocrite, for he broke "love thy daughter, especially if she hasn't done anything wrong" by handing Sakura to Zouken.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: After Kiritsugu become Berserker Master, Loki decides to kidnap Irisviel to threathened Kiritsugu to force him & Berserker fights Tokiomi & Gilgamesh.
* SparingThemTheDirtyWork: After Kiritsugu takes over Berserker, Loki & Medea admit to Arturia that as admirable as being a chivalrous individual is, Kiritsugu will undeniably exploit that side of her, so they ask her to rely on them for dirtier deeds, which she reluctantly accepts.
-->'''Loki:''' One thing you need is someone willing to dirty his hands to keep yours clean.\\
'''Medea:''' And you have two such people here. [...] Personally, I think your principle of being a king, as a servant to their people, is a good one. But your obsession with chivalry, while admirable, was partly what drove your downfall. And while a king needs to hold themselves to a higher standard, there are other ways you could have dealt with some of the issues of Camelot a disaffected knights.\\
'''Arturia:''' I intend to deal with those differently. But what does it say about me if I allow unjust and dishonourable acts to happen?\\
'''Medea:''' Arturia...while holding yourself to a higher standard in a war is admirable, Kiritsugu Emiya cares little for your chivalry and honour. He is a threat to you now, not a Master or an ally but a foe, every much as those who you fought to keep Camelot safe. Consider it this way: you, as a king, may fight for your people, but you also have people to fight for you. Allow us to fight for you, to stain our hands with dishonour to keep yours clean.
-->'''Loki:''' One thing you need is someone willing to dirty his hands to keep yours clean.\\
'''Medea:''' And you have two such people here. [...] Personally, I think your principle of being a king, as a servant to their people, is a good one. But your obsession with chivalry, while admirable, was partly what drove your downfall. And while a king needs to hold themselves to a higher standard, there are other ways you could have dealt with some of the issues of Camelot a disaffected knights.\\
'''Arturia:''' I intend to deal with those differently. But what does it say about me if I allow unjust and dishonourable acts to happen?\\
'''Medea:''' Arturia...while holding yourself to a higher standard in a war is admirable, Kiritsugu Emiya cares little for your chivalry and honour. He is a threat to you now, not a Master or an ally but a foe, every much as those who you fought to keep Camelot safe. Consider it this way: you, as a king, may fight for your people, but you also have people to fight for you. Allow us to fight for you, to stain our hands with dishonour to keep yours clean.
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** Loki admits to Arturia that he slowly bonding and caring for her because she has a lot of Thor's qualities, if not better by being more self aware.
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** Loki admits to Arturia that he slowly bonding and caring starts to care for her because she has a lot of Thor's qualities, if not better by being more self aware.self-aware.
--->"You may think that I am coddling you, insulting your strength, that you are more than capable of fighting these foes. And you are correct, you are capable of fighting those foes. But there's still a very real chance of your defeat, your death. You may be resigned to that, but I...*''Chuckles''* I do believe I have grown attached to you. Not as much as I have to Medea, but you...you have many of my brother's more annoying tendencies...and yet...you know how better to be a king.
--->"You may think that I am coddling you, insulting your strength, that you are more than capable of fighting these foes. And you are correct, you are capable of fighting those foes. But there's still a very real chance of your defeat, your death. You may be resigned to that, but I...*''Chuckles''* I do believe I have grown attached to you. Not as much as I have to Medea, but you...you have many of my brother's more annoying tendencies...and yet...you know how better to be a king.
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** "The Boot and The Ant" analogy. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', Loki describes himself as The Boot of the two, [[HumansAreInsects seeing humans beneath him like ants]]. Here, living in the city among other humans, makes Loki experience the life of The Ant side.
--->"I once thought of conquest, that they were ants seen from afar. Ants have no real quarrel with the boot, I thought...until I found myself amongst those who could be stepped on."
* AdaptationalEarlyAppearances:
** Both Hel & The Grandmaster watch Loki's adventure through the crystal ball provided by Zelretch.
--->"I once thought of conquest, that they were ants seen from afar. Ants have no real quarrel with the boot, I thought...until I found myself amongst those who could be stepped on."
* AdaptationalEarlyAppearances:
** Both Hel & The Grandmaster watch Loki's adventure through the crystal ball provided by Zelretch.
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* TheChainsOfCommanding: Loki eventually realizes that leadership is not a privilege, but a burden.
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* TheChainsOfCommanding: Loki eventually realizes that leadership is not a privilege, but a burden.burden, something Arturia eventually accepts.
* HiddenDepth: Tokiomi.
** During the Truce meeting, he is fully aware that he has brought Gilgamesh boredom and has prepared for his eventual betrayal.
** He didn't know about the Matou's Crest Worms and silently thanked Loki for rescuing Sakura from them, while hoping that he could just attend the Truce meeting in person to personally apologize to her, but his need to win the Holy Grail and lack of intel of the attendant's capabilities hold him back.
** He was mildly shaken when Kariya died as he spies on him at the temple with Sakura, admitting that, while still disliking him for coveting Aoi's heart, he had misjudged the Matou's WhiteSheep, and stated that nobody deserves to go out as he does. The assassination also motivates Tokiomi to leave a letter of will for his wife in case he doesn't survive the Holy Grail War.
** During the Truce meeting, he is fully aware that he has brought Gilgamesh boredom and has prepared for his eventual betrayal.
** He didn't know about the Matou's Crest Worms and silently thanked Loki for rescuing Sakura from them, while hoping that he could just attend the Truce meeting in person to personally apologize to her, but his need to win the Holy Grail and lack of intel of the attendant's capabilities hold him back.
** He was mildly shaken when Kariya died as he spies on him at the temple with Sakura, admitting that, while still disliking him for coveting Aoi's heart, he had misjudged the Matou's WhiteSheep, and stated that nobody deserves to go out as he does. The assassination also motivates Tokiomi to leave a letter of will for his wife in case he doesn't survive the Holy Grail War.
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* WhyDidntIThinkOfThat: As he watches Loki's journey through the crystal ball from Zelretch, The Grandmaster wonders if he can create his own Holy Grail War as a new game on Sakaar.
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* WhyDidntIThinkOfThat: As he watches Loki's journey through the crystal ball from Zelretch, The Grandmaster wonders if he can create his own Holy Grail War as a new game on Sakaar.Sakaar, something that Zelretch more than able to help.
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** Loki admits to Arturia that he slowly bonding and caring for her because she has a lot of Thor's qualities, if not better by being more self aware.
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** When Iskandar uses his Noble Phantasm--which is a desert-themed [[PocketDimensiom Reality Marble]]--to deal with Assassins, Loki asks if he plans to kill them by dehydration or throwing sand to their eyes.
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** When Iskandar uses his Noble Phantasm--which is a desert-themed [[PocketDimensiom [[PocketDimension Reality Marble]]--to deal with Assassins, Loki asks if he plans to kill them by dehydration or throwing sand to their eyes.
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* ItsPersonal: Loki always intends to not let Kiritsugu get the Holy Grail because he finds it entertaining. However, after hearing about Kiritsugu's wish, he is so offended that he swears in front of him that he'll put some genuine work into making the hitman lose the war.
-->"Even before I learn of your wish, it was going to give me great pleasure to deny yours. Now, it's a solemn duty as much as a pleasure."
-->"Even before I learn of your wish, it was going to give me great pleasure to deny yours. Now, it's a solemn duty as much as a pleasure."
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* ItsPersonal: ItsPersonal:
** Loki always intends to not let Kiritsugu get the Holy Grail because he finds it entertaining. However, after hearing about Kiritsugu's wish, he is so offended that he swears in front of him that he'll put some genuine work into making the hitman lose the war.
-->"Even --->"Even before I learn of your wish, it was going to give me great pleasure to deny yours. Now, it's a solemn duty as much as a pleasure.""
** After learning that Berserker is Lancelot, Arturia proclaims to Loki that it has become her responsibility to defeat him.
** Loki always intends to not let Kiritsugu get the Holy Grail because he finds it entertaining. However, after hearing about Kiritsugu's wish, he is so offended that he swears in front of him that he'll put some genuine work into making the hitman lose the war.
** After learning that Berserker is Lancelot, Arturia proclaims to Loki that it has become her responsibility to defeat him.
-->"The galling thing is, Kiritsugu and I are similar in many respects, too similar. I am a pragmatist, Arturia. I will lie, I will cheat and steal and kill to get what I want. I don't subscribe to petty ideals like chivalry and fair play."
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** Arturia [[DespairEventHorizon starts to severely doubt herself]] as she learns that Berserker, who is fixated on her, is Lancelot. Loki talks through her that she is a good king despite everything
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** Arturia [[DespairEventHorizon starts to severely doubt herself]] as she learns that Berserker, who is fixated on her, is Lancelot. Loki talks through tells her that she is a good king despite everythingeverything.
--->'''Loki:''' Despite your idiocy in persisting in your ideals, Arturia, you are admirable. You have grace and poise and wit, certainly more than my brother. You are beautiful in body and spirit, because you hold yourself to a higher standard than the rest of humanity. Never forget, Arturia, you may be my Servant, or at least Medea's, but you are still a King. But even a King needs defending. You never fought truly alone, did you? You had the Knights of the Round Table by your side. I am certainly no gallant and chivalrous knight, far from it...but make no mistake, Arturia. You are worth defending.\\
'''Arturia:''' "Am I? Especially as Lancelot turned out as...that beast?\\
'''Loki:''' I never said you were perfect, Arturia. Indeed, you made mistakes. But you want to correct them.
--->'''Loki:''' Despite your idiocy in persisting in your ideals, Arturia, you are admirable. You have grace and poise and wit, certainly more than my brother. You are beautiful in body and spirit, because you hold yourself to a higher standard than the rest of humanity. Never forget, Arturia, you may be my Servant, or at least Medea's, but you are still a King. But even a King needs defending. You never fought truly alone, did you? You had the Knights of the Round Table by your side. I am certainly no gallant and chivalrous knight, far from it...but make no mistake, Arturia. You are worth defending.\\
'''Arturia:''' "Am I? Especially as Lancelot turned out as...that beast?\\
'''Loki:''' I never said you were perfect, Arturia. Indeed, you made mistakes. But you want to correct them.
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** Kariya tells Loki of Sakura's predicament, with Medea filling the holes on what Crest Worms are.
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** Kariya tells Loki of Sakura's predicament, with Medea filling the holes on what Crest Worms are. The others learn about this through Loki's team.
** Kariya tells Loki that Berserker is Lancelot as he visits him to see Sakura.
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-->'''Arturia:''' Kiritsugu...what have you done?
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'''Arturia, watching from Medea's Crystal Ball:''' Kiritsugu...what have you done?
* MercyKill: Kiritsugu sees his action to kill Kariya to take control of Berserker as this; While he sympathize with Kariya, by looking at his face through the scope, he knows that Kariya didn't have long time left thanks to the Crest Worms in him, so killing him is just saving him from his own misery.
* TooMuchAlike: Loki sees himself in Kiritsugu, hence the two's animosity.
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** Kirei asks Loki if he is serious about his IAmWhatIAm speech in the truce meeting, and if it even possible for him to get a redemption.
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** Kirei asks Loki if he is serious about his IAmWhatIAm speech in the truce meeting, and if it is even possible for him to get do the same, seeing himself as a redemption. monster BeyondRedemption. Loki answers that he is and that the priest could on the fact that [[UpbringingMakesTheHero he was raised by Risei like Loki was raised by Frigga]].
--->"...I am a Frost Giant, Kirei. I am a monster by nature as well. But...perhaps I don't need to be one by deed. I just should be who I am. But as to your path, well..."
** Arturia [[DespairEventHorizon starts to severely doubt herself]] as she learns that Berserker, who is fixated on her, is Lancelot. Loki talks through her that she is a good king despite everything
--->"...I am a Frost Giant, Kirei. I am a monster by nature as well. But...perhaps I don't need to be one by deed. I just should be who I am. But as to your path, well..."
** Arturia [[DespairEventHorizon starts to severely doubt herself]] as she learns that Berserker, who is fixated on her, is Lancelot. Loki talks through her that she is a good king despite everything
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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Loki assures Sakura that she is stronger than she thinks.
-->"Sakura? You may not be strong of body...but never let anyone say that you are not strong of heart and spirit. Lesser men and women of many times greater your age would have been reduced to mewling, whimpering messes not fit to even be called human by such an ordeal."
-->"Sakura? You may not be strong of body...but never let anyone say that you are not strong of heart and spirit. Lesser men and women of many times greater your age would have been reduced to mewling, whimpering messes not fit to even be called human by such an ordeal."
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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre:
** Loki assures Sakura that she is stronger than she thinks.
-->"Sakura? --->"Sakura? You may not be strong of body...but never let anyone say that you are not strong of heart and spirit. Lesser men and women of many times greater your age would have been reduced to mewling, whimpering messes not fit to even be called human by such an ordeal.""
** Kirei asks Loki if he is serious about his IAmWhatIAm speech in the truce meeting, and if it even possible for him to get a redemption.
** Loki assures Sakura that she is stronger than she thinks.
** Kirei asks Loki if he is serious about his IAmWhatIAm speech in the truce meeting, and if it even possible for him to get a redemption.
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* GoOutWithASmile: Kariya dies with a smile as Kiritsugu headshot him, as his last thought is that Sakura is safe from Zouken's torture and that she will be taken care of by Loki.
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* ItWasWithYouAllAlong: When it was Medea's turn to tell what she wishes for from the Holy Grail, she admits that she already has it; A second chance in life [[IJustWantToBeFree free from the Greek Gods' machination]].
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* ItWasWithYouAllAlong: When it was Medea's turn to tell what she wishes for from the Holy Grail, she admits that she already has it; A second chance in life [[IJustWantToBeFree free from the Greek Gods' machination]].machination]], and a second opportunity to find proper love.
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** Another one for Loki is child abuse & neglect, as shown when he's really aggravated when
* BrokenPedestal: Kirei told Loki that learning about Sakura while spying on the Truce Meeting is the first time Risei's blind loyalty toward Tokiomi is shaken.
** When Iskandar uses his Noble Phantasm--which is a desert-themed [[PocketDimensiom Reality Marble]]--to deal with Assassins, Loki asks if he plans to kill them by dehydration or throwing sand to their eyes.
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* DeclarationOfProtection: After hearing about Sakura's plight from Kariya, he solemnly ''declares'' that he will rescue her. Later, he promises and swears that he will not let anyone taking her away from him.
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* DeclarationOfProtection: After hearing about Sakura's plight from Kariya, he solemnly ''declares'' that he will rescue her. Later, he promises and swears that he will not let anyone taking take her away from him.
-->'''Gilgamesh:''' I believe the child once belonged to my Master. What would stop me from slaying you all and reclaiming her?\\
'''Loki:''' Because Tokiomi discarded her. He has no right to her! And should he attempt to take her back, I would fight to my last breath to deny him.
-->'''Gilgamesh:''' I believe the child once belonged to my Master. What would stop me from slaying you all and reclaiming her?\\
'''Loki:''' Because Tokiomi discarded her. He has no right to her! And should he attempt to take her back, I would fight to my last breath to deny him.
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* FaceDeathWithDignity: Now that Sakura is rescued from Zouken, and meeting her for the last time to say his goodbyes, Kariya is more than content that he won't last long on Earth and might die from either the Crest Worm or being killed by Tokiomi.
* NotAfraidToDie: Now that Sakura is rescued from Zouken, and meeting her for the last time to say his goodbyes, Kariya is more than content that he won't last long on Earth and might die from either the Crest Worm or being killed by Tokiomi.
** Medea uses ''Rule Breaker'' on Arturia's Servant Contract, becoming her Master, which eventually leads to Kiritsugu killing Kariya to take Berserker as his new Servant
* Loki, Medea & Arturia team up to rescue Sakura from Zouken.
* Loki, Medea & Arturia team up to rescue Sakura from Zouken.
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* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: {{Discussed|Trope}}; it is Arturia's wish to return to when she pulled the sword from the stone and redo her time as King of Camelot and avoid the mistakes she made then, but Loki, as tempted as he is in wanting that himself, doubts that undoing the bad things that happened in the past would keep the BadFuture from happening, if not making things worse and/or erasing the good things that would've come from the bad timeline through ButterflyEffect.
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** Loki then gives both Gilgamesh & Iskandar one in one breath.
--->"Humans, so avaricious. You (Gilgamesh) covet the Grail out of the absolute personal belief that it is yours. And you (Iskandar) are a thief on a grand scale who takes peoples' lives, livelihoods, and lands without their permission. And isn't the very definition of insanity doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result? You may be a powerful Heroic Spirit, but you are a fool, Iskandar. King of Thieves is a more appropriate title."
* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: {{Discussed|Trope}}; it is Arturia's wish to return to when she pulled the sword from the stone and redo her time as King of Camelot and avoid the mistakes she made then, but Loki, as tempted as he is in wanting that himself, doubts that undoing the bad things that happened in the past would keep the BadFuture from happening, if not making things worseand/or or erasing the good things that would've come from the bad timeline through ButterflyEffect.
--->"Humans, so avaricious. You (Gilgamesh) covet the Grail out of the absolute personal belief that it is yours. And you (Iskandar) are a thief on a grand scale who takes peoples' lives, livelihoods, and lands without their permission. And isn't the very definition of insanity doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result? You may be a powerful Heroic Spirit, but you are a fool, Iskandar. King of Thieves is a more appropriate title."
* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong: {{Discussed|Trope}}; it is Arturia's wish to return to when she pulled the sword from the stone and redo her time as King of Camelot and avoid the mistakes she made then, but Loki, as tempted as he is in wanting that himself, doubts that undoing the bad things that happened in the past would keep the BadFuture from happening, if not making things worse
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** After hearing Medea's devotion to winning Jason's heart, Arturia can't help but compare her [[TheUnfettered unfettereness]] to Kiritsugu's.
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** After hearing Medea's devotion to winning Jason's heart, heart in her youth, Arturia can't help but compare her [[TheUnfettered unfettereness]] unfettered-ness]] to Kiritsugu's.Kiritsugu's.
** Loki sighs sympathetically and openly admires Waver when he mentions that he participated in the Holy Grail War in the hopes that the reputation he'll gain from winning it would elevate him in the eyes of Maguses from older family lines, seeing his old self trying to find somewhere to belong in Asgard in Rider's Master.
** Loki sighs sympathetically and openly admires Waver when he mentions that he participated in the Holy Grail War in the hopes that the reputation he'll gain from winning it would elevate him in the eyes of Maguses from older family lines, seeing his old self trying to find somewhere to belong in Asgard in Rider's Master.
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* * FaceDeathWithDignity: Now that Sakura is rescued from Zouken, and meeting her for the last time to say his goodbyes, Kariya is more than content that he won't last long on Earth and might die from either the Crest Worm or being killed by Tokiomi.
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* * FaceDeathWithDignity: Now that Sakura is rescued from Zouken, and meeting her for the last time to say his goodbyes, Kariya is more than content that he won't last long on Earth and might die from either the Crest Worm or being killed by Tokiomi.
** Tokiomi is inwardly glad that Loki managed to rescue Sakura from The Matou, and wishes that he could attend the truce meeting in person to personally apologize to her.
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* NotAfraidToDie: Now that he meets with Sakura after being rescued from Zouken, Kariya is more than content that he won't last long on Earth and might die from either the Crest Worm or being killed by Tokiomi.
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--->'''Zouken:''' I am over five centuries old, and I have forgotten more about magecraft than you will ever learn! *''Sending locusts to Loki''*\\
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--->'''Zouken:''' I am over five centuries old, and I have forgotten more about magecraft than you will ever learn! *''Sending locusts to Loki''*\\Loki''*.\\
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* WhoWouldBeStupidEnough: While Tokiomi knows that The Matous has Crest Worms, he initially thinks they won't be stupid enough to use it on an underage girl like Sakura.
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** Loki mentions to Arturia that he can understand her wish to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong redo her time as the king of Camelot]] and would've look down on her if she chose to have someone else take her place instead, something her canon self in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' does.
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** Loki mentions to Arturia that he can understand her wish to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong redo her time as the king of Camelot]] and would've look looked down on her if she chose to have someone else take her place instead, something her canon self in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' does.
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* NotSoDifferentRemark: Medea states to Arturia that, despite taking the different ends of the extremes, they are both were shackled by their responsibility as royalty, and causing their own downfall while being remembered as "inhumane" because of their response to said responsibility.
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* NotAfraidToDie: Now that he meets with Sakura after being rescued from Zouken, Kariya is more than content that he won't last long on Earth and might die from either the Crest Worm or being killed by Tokiomi.
* NotSoDifferentRemark: Medea states to Arturia that, despite taking the different ends of the extremes, they are bothwere shackled by their responsibility as royalty, royalty and causing their own downfall while being remembered as "inhumane" because of their response to said responsibility.
* NotSoDifferentRemark: Medea states to Arturia that, despite taking the different ends of the extremes, they are both
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* TakeCareOfTheKids: Kariya's last wish is for Sakura to be taken care of, and let her visit Aoi & Rin before Loki takes her to Asgard.
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* ItsPersonal: Loki always intends to not let Kiritsugu get the Holy Grail because he finds it entertaining. However, after hearing about Kiritsugu's wish, he is so offended that he swears in front of him that he'll put some genuine work into making the hitman lose the war.
-->"Even before I learn of your wish, it was going to give me great pleasure to deny yours. Now, it's a solemn duty as much as a pleasure."
-->"Even before I learn of your wish, it was going to give me great pleasure to deny yours. Now, it's a solemn duty as much as a pleasure."
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** In Canon, Arturia still holds on to her "A King must stand alone" belief, causing Iskandar to mock her and declare her to be unworthy as a king. Here, she is more dubious about that belief, and now leans more on "apart, but not alone", making Iskandar respect her more as he claims that there is still hope for her.
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** Loki gives one to Kiritsugu for how extreme his wish for "world peace" is due to him being WellIntentionedExtremist.
--->"Kirei was right. You are a pathetic excuse for a human looking for salvation in the wrong places! You would better serve humanity by putting a head and pulling the trigger, instead of pursuing such a dangerous idea! Better to mitigate the horrors of your species than to effectively neuter humanity. Better to be a monster who restrains or channels his impulses and tries to do good in spite of it, than to fall into being a killer who dresses up his goals in a righteousness he doesn't deserve."
--->"Kirei was right. You are a pathetic excuse for a human looking for salvation in the wrong places! You would better serve humanity by putting a head and pulling the trigger, instead of pursuing such a dangerous idea! Better to mitigate the horrors of your species than to effectively neuter humanity. Better to be a monster who restrains or channels his impulses and tries to do good in spite of it, than to fall into being a killer who dresses up his goals in a righteousness he doesn't deserve."
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: {{Deconstructed}} on Kiritsugu by Loki; Not only he's [[TheUnfettered more than willing to kill people]] {{Irony}} to achieve his goal of world peace]], his "any means necessary" methodology means that his wish could be granted in the worst way possible.
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: {{Deconstructed}} on Kiritsugu by Loki; Not only he's [[TheUnfettered more than willing to kill people]] {{Irony}} [[{{Irony}} to achieve his goal of world peace]], his "any means necessary" methodology means that his wish could be granted in the worst way possible.
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-->", Sakura? You may not be strong of body...but never let anyone say that you are not strong of heart and spirit. Lesser men and women of many times greater your age would have been reduced to mewling, whimpering messes not fit to even be called human by such an ordeal.
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* ItWasWithYouAllAlong: When it was Medea's turn to tell what she wishes for from the Holy Grail, she admits that she already has it; A second chance in life [[IJustWantToBeFree free from the Greek Gods' machination]].
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** Lampshaded with Kiritsugu; While he is a pragmatic hitman, he is a loving father & husband. not to mention that he could've just blown up the hotel to kill Kayneth, yet he took his time to evacuate its guests & staffs to avoid collateral damage.
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** Lampshaded with Kiritsugu; While he is a pragmatic hitman, he is a loving father & husband. not did feel enraged by that Sakura being constantly submerged in Crest Worms pit. Not to mention that he could've just blown up the hotel to kill Kayneth, yet he took his time to evacuate its guests & staffs staff to avoid collateral damage.damage.
* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: Kiritsugu killing Kariya to take over Berserker's ownership so he can stay in the Holy Grail War is seen as this by Loki & Arturia.
-->'''Arturia:''' Kiritsugu...what have you done?
* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: Kiritsugu killing Kariya to take over Berserker's ownership so he can stay in the Holy Grail War is seen as this by Loki & Arturia.
-->'''Arturia:''' Kiritsugu...what have you done?
* SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers: Loki perfectly counters Kiritsugu's whole "Heroes are self-righteous mass murderers who have deluded themselves and society into thinking they're idols worth admiring and worshipping" belief.
-->"Have you forgotten, [[IRejectYourReality rather conveniently]], of the good heroes like Arturia, or Iskandar, have inspired? How much good have they inspired that outweighs the bad? Your pathetic species needs heroes to look up to, for how else would they strive? They need examples. Look at Waver. He is but rough clay, but he has the potential to reach heights you can only dream of, and perhaps Iskandar will serve as that example."
-->"Have you forgotten, [[IRejectYourReality rather conveniently]], of the good heroes like Arturia, or Iskandar, have inspired? How much good have they inspired that outweighs the bad? Your pathetic species needs heroes to look up to, for how else would they strive? They need examples. Look at Waver. He is but rough clay, but he has the potential to reach heights you can only dream of, and perhaps Iskandar will serve as that example."
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* StickyFingers: Loki manages to pickpocket Kiritsugu's Thompson Contender & Origin Bullets as he leans over to whispering to him, confiscating the weapon for the truce talk.
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* StickyFingers: Loki manages to pickpocket Kiritsugu's Thompson Contender & Origin Bullets as he leans over to whispering whisper to him, confiscating the weapon for the truce talk.
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* [[VillainTakesAnInterest Villains (and Anti-Hero) Takes an Interest]]: Both Gilgamesh & Loki have their intrigue set on Kirei, to his confusion, seeing himself as no-one special.
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* [[VillainTakesAnInterest Villains (and Anti-Hero) Takes an Interest]]: Both Gilgamesh & Loki have their intrigue set on Kirei, to his confusion, seeing himself as no-one no one special.
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: {{Deconstructed}} on Kiritsugu by Loki; Not only he's [[TheUnfettered more than willing to kill people]] {{Irony}} to achieve his goal of world peace]], his "any means necessary" methodology means that his wish could be granted in the worst way possible.
-->"Don't get me wrong, saving the world from an immediate threat is laudable, Magus Killer. If the Grail would help you against an invasion from aliens, or from a plague sweeping the world, then I would not sneer. But to try and change the very foundation of humanity, no, to change a foundation of sentience itself...aggression is needed for survival, and while it causes war...it also provides a drive to strive and improve. it's not a utopia you are going to wish for, just a static, indolent nothing that makes Asgard look progressive by comparison. For all it being a realm of war-mongering imbeciles, it is more interesting than the world you desire!"
-->"Don't get me wrong, saving the world from an immediate threat is laudable, Magus Killer. If the Grail would help you against an invasion from aliens, or from a plague sweeping the world, then I would not sneer. But to try and change the very foundation of humanity, no, to change a foundation of sentience itself...aggression is needed for survival, and while it causes war...it also provides a drive to strive and improve. it's not a utopia you are going to wish for, just a static, indolent nothing that makes Asgard look progressive by comparison. For all it being a realm of war-mongering imbeciles, it is more interesting than the world you desire!"
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** In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Medea takes control of Arturia for her own sexual interest, trying to break her into obedience using bondage & torture. Here, she does it to help Loki, let him convince the Saber Servant to join them, which leads them to become more of VitriolicBestBuds.
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** In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Medea takes control of Arturia for her own sexual interest, trying to break her into obedience using bondage & torture. Here, she does it to help Loki, Loki and let him convince the Saber Servant to join them, which leads them to become more of VitriolicBestBuds.
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* DeclarationOfProtection: After hearing about Sakura's plight from Kariya, he solemnly ''declares'' that he will rescue her.
--> Not a promise. A statement of reality. Fitting, considering it came from a man mistaken for a god in another world. And Medea knew that woe would await anyone who dared to stand in his way...
--> Not a promise. A statement of reality. Fitting, considering it came from a man mistaken for a god in another world. And Medea knew that woe would await anyone who dared to stand in his way...
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* DeclarationOfProtection: After hearing about Sakura's plight from Kariya, he solemnly ''declares'' that he will rescue her.
--> Not a promise. A statement of reality. Fitting, considering it cameher. Later, he promises and swears that he will not let anyone taking her away from him.
* DejaVu: Loki has this from drinking Gilgamesh's wine. From there, [[AwesomenessByAnalysis he recognizes the Servant's identity by recalling that he had this wine from aman mistaken for a god in another world. And Medea knew that woe would await anyone who dared to stand in his way...Mesopotamia's king's treasury Odin have raided before]].
--> Not a promise. A statement of reality. Fitting, considering it came
* DejaVu: Loki has this from drinking Gilgamesh's wine. From there, [[AwesomenessByAnalysis he recognizes the Servant's identity by recalling that he had this wine from a
* IAmWhatIAm: In the end, Loki only sees himself as himself, neither hero nor villain.
-->'''Kiritsugu:''' Are you trying to be a hero?\\
'''Loki:''' I am trying to be myself, that is, Loki. And it is only now that I think I am beginning to realize just what that is. I am not a hero by any means, nor am I a villain. I just am. If I do heroic things, it is because I wish to on my own terms, and no other. I am not here to save the world. I am here for my own satisfaction, and to discover myself, and even now, I only see myself dimly. I thought I had known myself, but I did not.
-->'''Kiritsugu:''' Are you trying to be a hero?\\
'''Loki:''' I am trying to be myself, that is, Loki. And it is only now that I think I am beginning to realize just what that is. I am not a hero by any means, nor am I a villain. I just am. If I do heroic things, it is because I wish to on my own terms, and no other. I am not here to save the world. I am here for my own satisfaction, and to discover myself, and even now, I only see myself dimly. I thought I had known myself, but I did not.
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: When Loki tells Kirei to deliver his threat to Tokiomi, the priest notes the surprising level of venom in the usually whimsical Frost Giant's tone.
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** When Loki tells Kirei to deliver his threat to Tokiomi, the priest notes the surprising level of venom in the usually whimsical Frost Giant'stone.tone.
** When Arturia tells Kiritsugu of Sakura's plight and asks him what if that happens to Illya, the hitman's stoic facade cracks as he glares away from her.
** When Loki tells Kirei to deliver his threat to Tokiomi, the priest notes the surprising level of venom in the usually whimsical Frost Giant's
** When Arturia tells Kiritsugu of Sakura's plight and asks him what if that happens to Illya, the hitman's stoic facade cracks as he glares away from her.
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** Gilgamesh holds back from killing Loki in their second meeting because he enjoys seeing Tokiomi's reaction when Loki rescues Sakura.
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* StickyFingers: Loki manages to pickpocket Kiritsugu's Thompson Contender & Origin Bullets as he leans over to whispering to him, confiscating the weapon for the truce talk.
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** Iskandar gives Kiritsugu a short one after the Servant-less hitman asks to talk to Waver.
--->"Then come in. But be warned: treachery when I have offered you the chance to parley will not end well..."
--->"Then come in. But be warned: treachery when I have offered you the chance to parley will not end well..."
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* ImpliedDeathThreat: Iskandar gives Kiritsugu a short one after the Servant-less hitman asks to talk to Waver.
-->"Then come in. But be warned: treachery when I have offered you the chance to parley will not end well..."
-->"Then come in. But be warned: treachery when I have offered you the chance to parley will not end well..."
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* CruelMercy: While Zouken is frozen by Loki's Casket of Ancient Winter, he still alive, albeit unable to breathe, and the ice will melt in decades
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* CruelMercy: While Zouken is frozen by Loki's Casket of Ancient Winter, he is still alive, albeit unable to breathe, and the ice lasts for decades, if not centuries. All while Loki gloats that he will melt in decades take Sakura from him, effectively ending Matou's chance to restore their diluted bloodline.
-->"Given that she was abandoned by one family, and another did disgusting things to her, I think she will do well with a new surname. Sakura Lokidottir has a nice ring to it, don't you think?"
-->"Given that she was abandoned by one family, and another did disgusting things to her, I think she will do well with a new surname. Sakura Lokidottir has a nice ring to it, don't you think?"
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* DeathByAdaptation: Loki [[KillItWithIce encasing Zouken in ice]] with Casket of Ancient Winter [[AndIMustScream thatCasket of Ancient Winter Casket of Ancient Winter ]] on human.
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* DeathByAdaptation: Loki [[KillItWithIce encasing Zouken in ice]] with Casket of Ancient Winter [[AndIMustScream thatCasket of Ancient Winter Casket of Ancient Winter ]] that that lasts for decades, if not centuries]] on human.
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* IWantGrandkids: Downplayed; Frigga is quick in accepting Sakura as her granddaughter when she sees how protective Loki is toward her.
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** Loki's threat to Tokiomi is ripped off from the time bomb Franchise/JamesBond got in ''Literature/LiveAndLetDie''
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** Loki's threat to Tokiomi is ripped off from the time bomb Franchise/JamesBond got in ''Literature/LiveAndLetDie''''Literature/LiveAndLetDie''.
** Loki was inspired by ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'''s Cocytus when he decides on how to punish Zouken.
** Loki was inspired by ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'''s Cocytus when he decides on how to punish Zouken.
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** Iskandar gives Kiritsugu a short one after the Servant-less hitman asks to talk to Waver.
--->"Then come in. But be warned: treachery when I have offered you the chance to parley will not end well..."
** After rescuing Sakura from Zouken's clutch, Loki swears to her that she will be taken care of in Asgard.
--->'''Loki:''' You are neither Sakura Tohsaka nor Sakura Matou any longer. When the Grail War is over, I will take you back to my home, where you will become Sakura of Asgard, and take your rightful place amongst gods. I will teach you magic of both infinite subtlety and immense power the likes of which your enemies will tremble, and will speak of in awed whispers for centuries to come. You may think that the worm pit defiled you. In truth, it was but a crucible, forging you into someone who stands above humanity. I will ensure that, though you may believe yourself out of place in the company of Servants and those of Asgard, you will soon be every bit our equal.\\
'''Sakura:''' ...I won't have to go back, will I?\\
'''Loki:''' Never, as long as I draw breath. Any who try to reclaim you, barring your Uncle Kariya, I shall abjure or slay.
--->"Then come in. But be warned: treachery when I have offered you the chance to parley will not end well..."
** After rescuing Sakura from Zouken's clutch, Loki swears to her that she will be taken care of in Asgard.
--->'''Loki:''' You are neither Sakura Tohsaka nor Sakura Matou any longer. When the Grail War is over, I will take you back to my home, where you will become Sakura of Asgard, and take your rightful place amongst gods. I will teach you magic of both infinite subtlety and immense power the likes of which your enemies will tremble, and will speak of in awed whispers for centuries to come. You may think that the worm pit defiled you. In truth, it was but a crucible, forging you into someone who stands above humanity. I will ensure that, though you may believe yourself out of place in the company of Servants and those of Asgard, you will soon be every bit our equal.\\
'''Sakura:''' ...I won't have to go back, will I?\\
'''Loki:''' Never, as long as I draw breath. Any who try to reclaim you, barring your Uncle Kariya, I shall abjure or slay.
* CruelMercy: While Zouken is frozen by Loki's Casket of Ancient Winter, he still alive, albeit unable to breathe, and the ice will melt in decades
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* DeathByAdaptation: Loki [[KillItWithIce encasing Zouken in ice]] with Casket of Ancient Winter [[AndIMustScream that lasts for decades, if not centuries]] on human.
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