History FandomRivalry / Music

* Underground Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This one also tends to overlap with UnknownRival, as the genre's mainstream fan base are very often [[OlderThanTheyThink unaware of it's actual history]]. Meanwhile, fans of underground emo tend to view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a respected indie punk scene]] into an obnoxious fad for overly trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave eventually came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

** A further layer to this applies between fans of classic post-punk and the post-punk revival which peaked in the mid 2000s. A lot of people consider bands like Music/{{Interpol}} and Music/FranzFerdinand to be either indie rock bands with little punk influence or mere copycats of the post-punk style of ages past who aren't doing anything new with the genre other than polishing it up for Apple commercials. Fans of classic post-punk tend to prefer modern bands with more of an avant-garde edge, such as Protomartyr, Preoccupations, Idles, and the scene coming out of South London in TheNewTens.

* Music/{{Radiohead}} fans vs. Music/{{Muse}} fans vs. Music/{{Coldplay}} fans, one of the most famous tri-rivalries that still goes on after over twenty years. Radiohead fans think that both of the other groups are only famous because they copied the two poles of Radiohead's pre-''Kid A'' style (Muse copying the rockier songs, Coldplay the ballads) after Radiohead stopped doing mainstream rock. Some fans of Muse dislike the slowness of many Coldplay and Radiohead songs, while some Coldplay fans dislike the metally heaviness of many Radiohead and Muse songs. Finding a person who admits to liking all three bands is almost like finding a needle in a haystack.

* Underground Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This one also tends to overlap with UnknownRival, as the genre's mainstream fan base are very often [[OlderThanTheyThink unaware of the genre's greater history]]. Meanwhile, fans of underground emo tend to view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a respected indie punk scene]] into an obnoxious fad for overly trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave eventually came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

** In some cases the fans of the "mature artists" think that the pop stars are only where they are because of ButNotTooBlack, because many of the pop stars (e.g. Beyonce, Rihanna) are lighter skinned. For example, Music/IndiaArie fans feel that Music/AliciaKeys won the Grammy over Arie in 2002 because of her skin color.

** In UsefulNotes/{{Bulgaria}}, there is metalheads vs. 'chalga'[[note]] a local variant of PopFolk, known for romantic, but sometimes '''very''' vulgar and sexual lyrics.[[/note]] fans. Chalga fans claim metalheads are primitives, while metalheads claim chalga fans are bunch of rapists.

* Underground Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This one also tends to overlap with UnknownRival, as the genre's mainstream fan base are very often [[OlderThanTheyThink unaware of the genre's greater history]]. Meanwhile, fans of underground emo tend to view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a respected indie/punk scene]] into an obnoxious fad for overly trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave eventually came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Underground Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This one also tends to overlap with UnknownRival, as the genre's mainstream fan base are very often [[OlderThanTheyThink unaware of the genre's greater history]]. Meanwhile, fans of underground emo tend to view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a respected indie punk scene]] into an obnoxious fad for overly trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave eventually came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Underground Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This one also tends to overlap with UnknownRivals, as the genre's mainstream fan base are very often [[OlderThanTheyThink unaware of the genre's greater history]]. Meanwhile, fans of underground emo tend to view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a respected indie punk scene]] into an obnoxious fad for overly trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave eventually came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Classic Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the classic fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore/don't know or care about the genre's underground era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected independent scene]] into an obnoxious fad for overly trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave eventually came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].
** Generally, fans of old-school emo don't even consider most mainstream 'emo' to really be emo at all because it's perceived to be so far removed from it sonically. Other titles, like PopPunk and PostHardcore, are more often used (that is, if they're not calling it by the much more derogatory 'mall emo'). The same debate rages on about the "screamo" subgenre. On the one hand, you have bands like Circle Takes the Square, Saetia, and Hot Cross. On the other, Underoath and (at least) early Hawthorne Heights.

** A further layer to this applies between fans of classic post-punk and the post-punk revival which peaked in the mid-2000s. A lot of people consider bands like Music/{{Interpol}} to be either indie rock bands with little punk influence or mere copycats of the post-punk style of ages past who aren't doing anything new with the genre other than polishing it up for Apple commercials. Fans of classic post-punk tend to prefer modern bands with more of an avant-garde edge, such as Protomartyr, Preoccupations, Idles, and the scene coming out of South London in TheNewTens.

* Classic Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the classic fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore/don't care about the genre's underground era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected independent scene]] into an obnoxious fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave eventually came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Music/{{Blur}} fans vs. Music/{{Oasis}} fans. It even caused marriages to break up. Or so the British tabloids would have us believe. Ironically enough, the main players in the rivalry between the two - Noel Gallagher and Damon Albarn - are now friends, with Gallagher collaborating with [[Music/{{Gorillaz}} Albarn's other big musical project]] a number of times, and both seem to dislike talking about it. [[note]]Gallagher's hated now seems to be reserved for Blur's drummer Dave Rowntree, who, in his own words is "A public school bullshitter who believes he has the right to talk down to us and run our lives. Well, he can fuck right off!"[[/note]]

* The Four Tops fans vs. The Temptations fans.

* Music/{{Blur}} fans vs. Music/{{Oasis}} fans. It even caused marriages to break up. Or so the British tabloids would have us believe. Ironically enough, the main players in the rivalry between the two - Noel Gallagher and Damon Albarn - are now friends, with Gallagher collaborating with [[Music/{{Gorillaz}} Albarn's other big musical project]] a number of times, and both seem to dislike talking about it. [[note]]Gallagher's hated now seems to be reserved for Blur's drummer Dave Rowntree, who, in his own words is "A public school bullshitter who believes he has the right to talk down to us and run our lives. Well, he can fuck right off! [[/note

* Music/{{Blur}} fans vs. Music/{{Oasis}} fans. It even caused marriages to break up. Or so the British tabloids would have us believe. Ironically enough, the main players in the rivalry between the two - Noel Gallagher and Damon Albarn - are now friends, with Gallagher collaborating with [[Music/{{Gorillaz}} Albarn's other big musical project]] a number of times, and both seem to dislike talking about it.

* Classic Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the classic fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore/don't care about the genre's underground era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected independent scene]] into an obnoxious fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention in TheNew10s and [[TheNew20s New '20s]], the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Classic Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. mainstream 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the classic fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore/don't care about the genre's underground era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected independent scene]] into an obnoxious fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention recently, the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Old school Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. new 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the old school fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore/don't care about the genre's underground era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected independent scene]] into an obnoxious fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave came and went and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention recently, the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation deeply entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

** A further layer to this applies between fans of classic post-punk and the post-punk revival which peaked in the mid-2000s. A lot of people consider bands like Music/{{Interpol}} to be either indie rock bands with little punk influence or mere copycats of the post-punk style of ages past who aren't doing anything new with the genre other than polishing it up for iPod commercials. Fans of classic post-punk tend to prefer modern bands with more of an avant-garde edge, such as Protomartyr, Preoccupations, Idles, and the scene coming out of South London in TheNewTens.

** A further layer to this applies between fans of classic post-punk and the post-punk revival which peaked in the early 2000s. A lot of people consider bands like Music/{{Interpol}} to be either indie rock bands with little punk influence or copycats of the post-punk style of ages past. Fans of classic post-punk tend to prefer modern bands with more of an avant-garde edge, such as Protomartyr, Preoccupations, Idles, and the scene coming out of South London in TheNewTens.

* Old school Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/SunnyDayRealEstate, etc.) fans vs. new 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the old school fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore the genre's independent era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected underground scene]] into an obnoxious fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave faded out and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention recently, the emo image of the mid-to-late 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation firmly entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Old school Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/MossIcon, etc.) fans vs. new 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the old school fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore the genre's independent era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected underground scene]] into an obnoxious fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave faded out and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention recently, the emo image of the 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation firmly entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Old school Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/MossIcon, etc.) fans vs. new 'emo' fans. This exists almost entirely on the side of the old school fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore the genre's independent era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected underground scene]] and turning it into a fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave faded out and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention recently, the emo image of the 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation firmly entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

** In general, any new group that gets compared to an established A-list group or debuts around the same time that another group from the same company starts to fall apart (Music/RedVelvet vs. {{Music/fx}}; Music/BlackPink vs. Music/TwoNEOne) will be subject to this. Same goes for any new group that gets a lot of unsolicited comparisons to an established group like Music/GirlsGeneration.

* Old school Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/MossIcon, etc.) fans vs. new 'emo' fans (especially emo-pop fans). This exists almost entirely on the side of the old school fans; while mainstream fans mostly just ignore the genre's independent era, classic fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected underground scene]] and turning it into a fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave faded out and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention recently, the emo image of the 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation firmly entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Music/SexPistols vs. Music/TheRamones. [[TakeAThirdOption or]] Music/{{The Damned|Band}}, Music/TheClash, Crass or Stiff Little Fingers

* Old school Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/MossIcon, etc.) fans vs. new 'emo' fans (especially emo-pop fans). This exists almost entirely on the side of the old school fans; while mainstream emo fans mostly just ignore the genre's underground days, classic emo fans view most mainstream emo as essentially [[TheThemeParkVersion bastardizing a once respected underground scene]] and turning it into a fad for trendy Hot Topic-loving teenagers. It doesn't help that, even after the mainstream wave faded out and the genre's indie days have been getting a decent amount of attention recently, the emo image of the 2000s is still [[AudienceColoringAdaptation firmly entrenched into the general public's idea of what emo is]].

* Old school Music/{{emo}} (Music/RitesOfSpring, Music/MossIcon, etc.) fans vs. new "emo" fans. The new emo fans had an advantage, what with getting mainstream coverage and VASTLY outnumbering old school emo fans (and probably listening to music released in the [[TurnOfTheMillennium same decade]] ). Then the new emo fad ended.
** Generally, fans of old-school emo don't even consider the newer music being called "emo" to really be emo at all because it's perceived to be so far removed from it sonically. Other titles, like PopPunk and PostHardcore, are more often used. The same debate rages on about the "screamo" subgenre. On the one hand, you have bands like Circle Takes the Square, Saetia, and Hot Cross. On the other, Underoath and (at least) early Hawthorne Heights.