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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a ship that apparently deliberately sank and then raised itself specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped in order to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that magic is extremely uncommon and weak amongst humans and that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even when they're ''not'' drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a ship that apparently deliberately sank and then raised itself specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours.pirates. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped in order to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that magic is extremely uncommon and weak amongst humans and that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even when they're ''not'' drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped in order to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even when they're ''not'' drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship that apparently deliberately sank and then raised itself specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped in order to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that magic is extremely uncommon and weak amongst humans and that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even when they're ''not'' drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* WholesomeCrossdresser: Dipper dresses as a woman in Port L'Orient as a favor to Robbie, since Robbie wants him to sing with his band but Dipper is wary of humans discovering he's transgendered.

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* WholesomeCrossdresser: Dipper dresses as a woman in Port L'Orient as a favor to Robbie, since Robbie wants him to sing with his band but Dipper is wary of humans discovering he's transgendered.basically transgendered (although no one uses that terminology).
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* WholesomeCrossdresser: Dipper dresses as a woman in Port L'Orient as a favor to Robbie, since Robbie wants him to sing with his band but Dipper is wary of humans discovering he's basically transgendered.

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* WholesomeCrossdresser: Dipper dresses as a woman in Port L'Orient as a favor to Robbie, since Robbie wants him to sing with his band but Dipper is wary of humans discovering he's basically transgendered.
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* WaterIsAir: Bill lampshades how strange it is that he can talk and converse with Dipper after Dipper temporarily gives him the ability to breathe underwater--which should have, logically, affected the actual acoustics of their voices and made human-style linguistics almost impossible, as sound waves travel very differently in the denser water than in air and the human ear is not adapted to pick up sounds accurately in those conditions. Similarly, Bill can also see perfectly clearly [[SeeWater while submerged in salt water]], despite the human eyes not being adapted to the refractive indices of water and despite salt water generally being very painful for the human eyeball. Though it's never confirmed, there's always the out that these effects were tied in with the spell Dipper cast to enable Bill to breath. It ''is'' actually implied that the merfolk's natural magic enables them to speak and sing like humans even under the sea, so the idea that some of these attributes would carry over in the temporary spell isn't ''that'' far of a stretch. [[spoiler:Of course, the fact that Bill himself likely isn't entirely human and has his own natural magic may also contribute]].

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* WaterIsAir: Bill lampshades how strange it is that he can talk and converse with Dipper after Dipper temporarily gives him the ability to breathe underwater--which should have, logically, affected the actual acoustics of their voices and made human-style linguistics almost impossible, as sound waves travel very differently in the denser water than in air and the human ear is not adapted to pick up sounds accurately in those conditions. Similarly, Bill can also see perfectly clearly [[SeeWater while submerged in salt water]], despite the human eyes not being adapted to the refractive indices of water and despite salt water generally being very painful for the human eyeball. Though it's never confirmed, there's always the out that these effects were tied in with the spell Dipper cast to enable Bill to breath.breathe. It ''is'' actually implied that the merfolk's natural magic enables them to speak and sing like humans even under the sea, so the idea that some of these attributes would carry over in the temporary spell isn't ''that'' far of a stretch. [[spoiler:Of course, the fact that Bill himself likely isn't entirely human and has his own natural magic may also contribute]].
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* WaterIsAir: Bill lampshades how strange it is that he can talk and converse with Dipper after Dipper temporarily gives him the ability to breathe underwater--which should have, logically, affected the actual acoustics of their voices and made human-style linguistics almost impossible, as sound waves travel very differently in the denser water than in air and the human ear is not adapted to pick up sounds accurately in those conditions. Similarly, Bill can also see perfectly clearly [[SeeWater despite being submerged in salt water]], despite the human eyes not being adapted to the refractive indices of water and despite salt water generally being very painful for the human eyeball. Though it's never confirmed, there's always the out that these effects were tied in with the spell Dipper cast to enable Bill to breath. It ''is'' actually implied that the merfolk's natural magic enables them to speak and sing like humans even under the sea, so the idea that some of these attributes would carry over in the temporary spell isn't ''that'' far of a stretch. [[spoiler:Of course, the fact that Bill himself likely isn't entirely human and has his own natural magic may also contribute]].

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* WaterIsAir: Bill lampshades how strange it is that he can talk and converse with Dipper after Dipper temporarily gives him the ability to breathe underwater--which should have, logically, affected the actual acoustics of their voices and made human-style linguistics almost impossible, as sound waves travel very differently in the denser water than in air and the human ear is not adapted to pick up sounds accurately in those conditions. Similarly, Bill can also see perfectly clearly [[SeeWater despite being while submerged in salt water]], despite the human eyes not being adapted to the refractive indices of water and despite salt water generally being very painful for the human eyeball. Though it's never confirmed, there's always the out that these effects were tied in with the spell Dipper cast to enable Bill to breath. It ''is'' actually implied that the merfolk's natural magic enables them to speak and sing like humans even under the sea, so the idea that some of these attributes would carry over in the temporary spell isn't ''that'' far of a stretch. [[spoiler:Of course, the fact that Bill himself likely isn't entirely human and has his own natural magic may also contribute]].
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* VaguenessIsComing: The Prophecy written by the unnamed pirate is so ambiguously written that it could be interpreted as anything between a warning, a promise, or a curse. It changes time and person tenses, it changes speakers and perspectives without identifying them, and it never uses a proper noun, just flowery, ambiguous descriptions that may be metaphors or may be literal. There isn't even a consistent subject in the sentence structure, with the pronouns switching from second person to third person and masking exactly where it is in the sentences that the lines change who they're talking about. Who is the poem ordering about? Are they the same "siren" they address at the end, or a different person? Who speaks the quoted curse, and to who? When do the events in the poem even happen--has the first part already occurred, or is this scene under the ocean something that will happen later in the story? The poetic form of the prophecy exacerbates the confusion even further because, with the altered phrasing, the relationship between each line to the others is unclear. For example, the quoted curse isn't definitively attributed--it could be the monster ''or'' the spell-spinner speaking, which significantly changes the implications towards the identity of the target. Because of this ambiguity, it's possible to make equally decent arguments for the prophecy's subject being Dipper, Mabel, or even Bill. The poem is so unclear and unhelpful in communicating whatever it is its writer was trying to say that Gideon's followers even believe it's about ''him,'' and that it's actually foretelling that Gideon will be the most powerful captain in the multiverse. The obvious truth is that this poem is written only to make sense to someone who already knows the identities of the writer, the "monster," and the ''intended'' audience (whomever was supposed to be the unmentioned "you" clearly implied by the writer's various commands towards the reader). But despite the [[spoiler:writer's]] identity having been heavily implied [[spoiler: to be Bill's father)]] and a surplus of suspects that could fit both for the "you" and the monster, the identities of those involved are still unclear, leaving the meaning of the poem a code without a key.

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* VaguenessIsComing: The Prophecy written by the unnamed pirate is so ambiguously written that it could be interpreted as anything between a warning, a promise, or a curse. It changes time and person tenses, it changes speakers and perspectives without identifying them, and it never uses a proper noun, just flowery, ambiguous descriptions that may be metaphors or may be literal. There isn't even a consistent subject in the sentence structure, with the pronouns switching from second person to third person and masking exactly where it is in the sentences that the lines change who they're talking about. Who is the poem ordering about? Are they the same "siren" they address at the end, or a different person? Who speaks the quoted curse, and to who? When do the events in the poem even happen--has the first part already occurred, or is this scene under the ocean something that will happen later in the story? The poetic form of the prophecy exacerbates the confusion even further because, with the altered phrasing, the relationship between each line to the others is unclear. For example, the quoted curse isn't definitively attributed--it could be the monster ''or'' the spell-spinner speaking, which significantly changes the implications towards the identity of the target. Because of this ambiguity, it's possible to make equally decent arguments for the prophecy's subject being Dipper, Mabel, or even Bill. The poem is so unclear and unhelpful in communicating whatever it is its writer was trying to say that Gideon's followers even believe it's about ''him,'' and that it's actually foretelling that Gideon will be the most powerful captain in the multiverse. The obvious truth is that this poem is written only to make sense to someone who already knows the identities of the writer, the "monster," and the ''intended'' audience (whomever was supposed to be the unmentioned "you" clearly implied by the writer's various commands towards the reader). But despite the [[spoiler:writer's]] identity having been heavily implied [[spoiler: to be Bill's father)]] father]] and a surplus of suspects that could fit both for the "you" and the monster, the identities of those involved are still unclear, leaving the meaning of the poem a code without a key.



* WasOnceAMan: It's rumored that the unnamed pirate who founded the first Pirate Council and left behind a cryptic prophecy was somehow turned into a monster. That there is truth behind the rumor is made more likely by the fact that Ford apparently knew a human who did so, and the prophecy this pirate left behind was not only written in a journal identical to Ford's, but also addressed to Ford in code.

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* WasOnceAMan: It's rumored that the unnamed pirate who founded the first Pirate Council and left behind a cryptic prophecy was somehow turned into a monster. That there is truth behind the rumor is made more likely by the fact that Ford apparently knew a human who did so, and the prophecy this pirate left behind was not only written in a journal identical to Ford's, but also addressed to addresses Ford in code.
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* VaguenessIsComing: The Prophecy written by the unnamed pirate is so ambiguously written that it could be interpreted as anything between a warning, a promise, or a curse. It changes time and person tenses, it changes speakers and perspectives without identifying them, and it never uses a proper noun, just flowery, ambiguous descriptions that may be metaphors or may be literal. There isn't even a consistent subject in the sentence structure, with the pronouns switching from second person to third person and masking exactly where it is in the sentences that the lines change who they're talking about. Who is the poem ordering about? Are they the same "siren" they address at the end, or a different person? Who speaks the quoted curse, and to who? When do the events in the poem even happen--has the first part already occurred, or is this scene under the ocean something that will happen later in the story? The poetic form of the prophecy exacerbates the confusion even further because, with the altered phrasing, the relationship between each line to the others is unclear. For example, the quoted curse isn't definitively attributed--it could be the monster ''or'' the spell-spinner speaking, which significantly changes the implications towards the identity of the target. Because of this ambiguity, it's possible to make equally decent arguments for this individual being Dipper, Mabel, or even Bill. The poem is so unclear and unhelpful in communicating whatever it is its writer was trying to say that Gideon's followers even believe it's about ''him,'' and that it's actually foretelling that Gideon will be the most powerful captain in the multiverse. The obvious truth is that this poem is written only to make sense to someone who already knows the identities of the writer, the "monster," and the ''intended'' audience (whomever was supposed to be the unmentioned "you" clearly implied by the writer's various commands towards the reader). But despite the [[spoiler:writer's]] identity having been heavily implied [[spoiler: to be Bill's father)]] and a surplus of suspects that could fit both for the "you" and the monster, the identities of those involved are still unclear, leaving the meaning of the poem a code without a key.

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* VaguenessIsComing: The Prophecy written by the unnamed pirate is so ambiguously written that it could be interpreted as anything between a warning, a promise, or a curse. It changes time and person tenses, it changes speakers and perspectives without identifying them, and it never uses a proper noun, just flowery, ambiguous descriptions that may be metaphors or may be literal. There isn't even a consistent subject in the sentence structure, with the pronouns switching from second person to third person and masking exactly where it is in the sentences that the lines change who they're talking about. Who is the poem ordering about? Are they the same "siren" they address at the end, or a different person? Who speaks the quoted curse, and to who? When do the events in the poem even happen--has the first part already occurred, or is this scene under the ocean something that will happen later in the story? The poetic form of the prophecy exacerbates the confusion even further because, with the altered phrasing, the relationship between each line to the others is unclear. For example, the quoted curse isn't definitively attributed--it could be the monster ''or'' the spell-spinner speaking, which significantly changes the implications towards the identity of the target. Because of this ambiguity, it's possible to make equally decent arguments for this individual the prophecy's subject being Dipper, Mabel, or even Bill. The poem is so unclear and unhelpful in communicating whatever it is its writer was trying to say that Gideon's followers even believe it's about ''him,'' and that it's actually foretelling that Gideon will be the most powerful captain in the multiverse. The obvious truth is that this poem is written only to make sense to someone who already knows the identities of the writer, the "monster," and the ''intended'' audience (whomever was supposed to be the unmentioned "you" clearly implied by the writer's various commands towards the reader). But despite the [[spoiler:writer's]] identity having been heavily implied [[spoiler: to be Bill's father)]] and a surplus of suspects that could fit both for the "you" and the monster, the identities of those involved are still unclear, leaving the meaning of the poem a code without a key.
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** Bill takes the cake on this, having forgotten that Dipper was powerful and had power over him ''while Dipper was still in siren form.'' He takes his teasing a bit too far and forgets, due to how innocent and gentle Dipper acts, that Dipper is a powerful ocean predator who's literally the only thing keeping him alive at that moment. [[MoodWhiplash Dipper grabs him by the face, locks eyes, and swiftly corrects him]].

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** Bill takes the cake on this, having forgotten that Dipper was powerful and had power over him ''while Dipper was still in siren form.'' He takes his teasing a bit too far and forgets, due to how innocent and gentle Dipper acts, that Dipper is a powerful ocean predator who's literally the only thing keeping him Bill alive at that moment. [[MoodWhiplash Dipper grabs him by the face, Bill's head with both hands, locks eyes, and swiftly corrects him]].
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* JustLikeRobinHood: Bill describes that during his crew's slow transition from tradesmen to pirates, they began targeting and pillaging the corrupt. It's implied they [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil drifted away from those vigilante ideals slightly]] by the time the story began, given Bill's internal monologue in chapter 1.

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* JustLikeRobinHood: Bill describes that during his crew's slow transition from tradesmen to pirates, they began targeting and pillaging the corrupt. It's implied they [[SlowlySlippingIntoEvil drifted away from those vigilante ideals slightly]] ideals]] by the time the story began, given Bill's internal monologue in chapter 1.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even when they're ''not'' drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped in order to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even when they're ''not'' drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InformedAttribute: Dipper and Bill regularly discuss how closed-minded humanity in general is and how hostile they may be to discovering various facets of Dipper's identity, particularly regarding his sexuality and gender--but while this was definitely true during this particular time in history and even true today in many parts of the world, we don't really see a culture-wide discomfort with Dipper as a person within the story; everyone who finds out is generally quite respectful of Dipper's gender identity. After over a dozen chapters, at least four visits to port, and the introduction of a fairly substantial cast of side-characters, the most we see of this close-mindedness is the misogyny displayed by two members of the Blind Eye Society, and two people can hardly be argued to speak for entire cultures or entire species.

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* InformedAttribute: Dipper and Bill regularly discuss how closed-minded humanity in general is and how hostile they may be to discovering various facets of Dipper's identity, particularly regarding his sexuality and gender--but while this was definitely true during this particular time in history and even true today in many parts of the world, we don't really see a culture-wide discomfort with Dipper as a person within the story; everyone who finds out is generally quite respectful of Dipper's gender identity. After over a dozen chapters, at least four visits to port, and the introduction of a fairly substantial cast of human side-characters, the most we see of this close-mindedness is the misogyny displayed by two members of the Blind Eye Society, and two people can hardly be argued to speak for entire cultures or entire species.
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* GratuitousLatin: All of the magical spells [[LanguageOfMagic use Latin for some reason]].

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* GratuitousLatin: All of the magical spells used by humans and non-humans alike [[LanguageOfMagic use are spoken in Latin for some reason]].
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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts of the past Stan and Ford have not shared yet. These imply a connection that dates back twenty years between Stan and Ford, the Infinity Journal's author, Bill's father, and the almost certainly ''not'' accidental deaths of Mabel's and Dipper's parents and grandparents, which every likely were done in retaliation for a percieved slight by Stan and Ford. The consequences of this dark secret are the implied cause of Dipper's and Mabel's DangerousEighteenthBirthday.]]

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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts of the past Stan and Ford have not shared yet. These imply a connection that dates back twenty years between Stan and Ford, the demon "Cipher," the Infinity Journal's author, Bill's father, DisappearedDad, and the almost certainly ''not'' accidental almost-certainly-''not''-accidental deaths of Mabel's and Dipper's parents and grandparents, which every likely were done in retaliation for a percieved slight by Stan and Ford. grandparents. The consequences of this dark secret are the implied cause of TheProphecy and Dipper's and Mabel's DangerousEighteenthBirthday.]]
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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts of the past Stan and Ford have not shared yet. These imply a connection that dates back twenty years between Stan and Ford, the Infinity Journal's author, Bill's father, and the almost certainly ''not'' accidental deaths of Mabel's and Dipper's parents and grandparents, which every likely were done in retaliation for a percieved slight by Stan and Ford. The consequences of this dark secret are the implied cause of Dipper's and Mabel's DangerousEighteenthBirthday.

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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts of the past Stan and Ford have not shared yet. These imply a connection that dates back twenty years between Stan and Ford, the Infinity Journal's author, Bill's father, and the almost certainly ''not'' accidental deaths of Mabel's and Dipper's parents and grandparents, which every likely were done in retaliation for a percieved slight by Stan and Ford. The consequences of this dark secret are the implied cause of Dipper's and Mabel's DangerousEighteenthBirthday.]]
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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts that neither Bill nor Dipper are aware of yet. They portray a darker story that Ford and Stan have desperately tried to hide from the twins through lies and authority: when Stan and Ford took on human form and sailed around the world two decades ago, Ford became friends with a pirate and shared his research with him. Something happened--of a supernatural and inhuman nature--and Ford fled from the pirate crew, now vengeful. Pirates then tracked Stan and Ford to Gravity Falls, killing Mabel's and Dipper's grandfather and parents, leaving them orphaned. Somewhere along the line, this ex-friend created a prophecy--[[AmbiguousSituation or promise, or curse]]--that Stan and Ford interpret as foretelling that Mabel or Dipper will be "lost forever" during their eighteenth year of life. This pirate that was once Ford's friend, though still unconfirmed, is heavily implied to be the nameless author of the infinity journal, with slight hints that he may also be Bill's hated father.]]

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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts that neither Bill nor Dipper are aware of yet. They portray a darker story that Ford and Stan have desperately tried to hide from the twins through lies and authority: when past Stan and Ford took on human form and sailed around the world two decades ago, Ford became friends with a pirate and have not shared his research with him. Something happened--of yet. These imply a supernatural and inhuman nature--and Ford fled from the pirate crew, now vengeful. Pirates then tracked connection that dates back twenty years between Stan and Ford to Gravity Falls, killing Ford, the Infinity Journal's author, Bill's father, and the almost certainly ''not'' accidental deaths of Mabel's and Dipper's grandfather parents and parents, leaving them orphaned. Somewhere along the line, this ex-friend created grandparents, which every likely were done in retaliation for a prophecy--[[AmbiguousSituation or promise, or curse]]--that percieved slight by Stan and Ford interpret as foretelling that Mabel or Dipper will be "lost forever" during their eighteenth year Ford. The consequences of life. This pirate that was once Ford's friend, though still unconfirmed, is heavily this dark secret are the implied to be the nameless author cause of the infinity journal, with slight hints that he may also be Bill's hated father.]]Dipper's and Mabel's DangerousEighteenthBirthday.
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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts that neither Bill nor Dipper are aware of yet. They portray a darker story that Ford and Stan have desperately tried to hide from the twins through lies and authority: when Stan and Ford took on human form and sailed around the world two decades ago, Ford became friends with a pirate and shared his research with him. Something happened--of a supernatural and inhuman nature--and Ford fled from the pirate crew, now vengeful. Pirates then tracked Stan and Ford to Gravity Falls, killing Mabel's and Dipper's grandfather and parents, leaving them orphaned. Somewhere along the line, this ex-friend created a prophecy--[[AmbiguousSituation or promise, or curse]]--that Stan and Ford interpret as foretelling that Mabel or Dipper will be "lost forever" during their eighteenth year of life. This pirate that was once Ford's friend, though still unconfirmed, is heavily implied to be both the nameless author of the infinity journal, with slight hints that he may also be Bill's hated father.]]

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* DarkSecret: [[spoiler:Subtle hints throughout the story clue the reader into parts that neither Bill nor Dipper are aware of yet. They portray a darker story that Ford and Stan have desperately tried to hide from the twins through lies and authority: when Stan and Ford took on human form and sailed around the world two decades ago, Ford became friends with a pirate and shared his research with him. Something happened--of a supernatural and inhuman nature--and Ford fled from the pirate crew, now vengeful. Pirates then tracked Stan and Ford to Gravity Falls, killing Mabel's and Dipper's grandfather and parents, leaving them orphaned. Somewhere along the line, this ex-friend created a prophecy--[[AmbiguousSituation or promise, or curse]]--that Stan and Ford interpret as foretelling that Mabel or Dipper will be "lost forever" during their eighteenth year of life. This pirate that was once Ford's friend, though still unconfirmed, is heavily implied to be both the nameless author of the infinity journal, with slight hints that he may also be Bill's hated father.]]
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->''“You’re cold?” he asked.''
->''“Yes, the water is very cold,” Bill answered.''
->''“But you’re warm,” the siren stated.''
->''“All the more reason to feel cold.”''
->''“I see… We’ll need to fix that."''

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->''“You’re cold?” ->''"You're cold?" he asked.''
->''“Yes,
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''"Yes,
the water is very cold,” cold," Bill answered.''
->''“But you’re warm,”
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''"But you're warm,"
the siren stated.''
->''“All
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''"All
the more reason to feel cold.”''
->''“I
"''\\
''"I
see… We’ll We'll need to fix that."''



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* BiTheWay: In an attempt to show that he can relate to Dipper, a siren and foreigner to human society, while the two of them discuss the strangeness of human attitudes towards physicality, sexuality, and gender, Bill offhandedly mentions that he's bisexual.











































































































































































































































































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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even while not drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared for successfully battling and capturing a magic siren ''and'' restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even while not when they're ''not'' drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared with the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even while not drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren and maybe see the future, and also don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared with the skills and materials necessary to for successfully battle battling and capture capturing a magic siren ''and'' restore restoring their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even while not drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat and maybe see the future, and also can't drown. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared with the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can match defeat an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat and maybe see the future, and also can't drown.don't drown while stuck at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours. This conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared with the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight.straight after the story went out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy humans are in the water even while not drowning. [[SarcasmMode But what other answer could there be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision and assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared with the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat, and also can't drown. [[SarcasmMode What other answer could there be, that Dipper willingly ran away?]] [[TheoryTunnelVision Pfft, of course not.]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by human pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision TheoryTunnelvision, and, from only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and assumes then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford concludes definitively that these entirely hypothetical human Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow successfully capture who can match an abnormally powerful magic siren that just happened to be passing by, despite in underwater combat and maybe see the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy future, and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. also can't drown. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and conclusion completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family ''by Ford,'' and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the sunken ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already prepared with the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat, and also can't drown. [[SarcasmMode What But what other answer could there be, that Dipper willingly ran away?]] [[TheoryTunnelVision Pfft, of course not.]] be?]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision and assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally already had the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat, and also can't drown. [[SarcasmMode What other answer could there be, that Dipper willingly ran away?]] [[TheoryTunnelVision Pfft, of course not.]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision and assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally were already had prepared with the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours straight. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat, and also can't drown. [[SarcasmMode What other answer could there be, that Dipper willingly ran away?]] [[TheoryTunnelVision Pfft, of course not.]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision and assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally already had the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown for eleven hours. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat, and also can't drown. [[SarcasmMode What other answer could there be, that Dipper willingly ran away?]] [[TheoryTunnelVision Pfft, of course not.]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision and assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family and that Dipper clearly came back home in secret right before being supposedly kidnapped to gather materials before leaving again, as if knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores that there is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally already had the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown at the bottom of the ocean for eleven hours.hours straight. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat, and also can't drown. [[SarcasmMode What other answer could there be, that Dipper willingly ran away?]] [[TheoryTunnelVision Pfft, of course not.]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow already had the materials and skills necessary to successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family, and that he clearly came back home in secret during the period he was supposedly captured and gathered materials to take with him before leaving again, as if he was knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores the telling absences where there should be evidence; they don't even have a hint of evidence that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and can't drown, [[TheoryTunnelvision and entertain no other possibilities whatsoever]]. Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford falls to TheoryTunnelvision and assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow already had the materials and skills necessary to successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family, family and that he Dipper clearly came back home in secret during the period he was right before being supposedly captured and gathered kidnapped to gather materials to take with him before leaving again, as if he was knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores the telling absences where that there should be evidence; they don't even have a hint of is no evidence whatsoever that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place. Given that it's explicitly stated that no human can see the future, it's also just flat-out completely insane to believe without evidence that these hypothetical human pirates coincidentally already had the skills and materials necessary to successfully battle and capture a magic siren ''and'' restore their sunken ship to the surface while simultaneously trying not to drown for eleven hours. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and match an abnormally powerful magic siren in underwater combat, and also can't drown, [[TheoryTunnelvision and entertain no drown. [[SarcasmMode What other possibilities whatsoever]]. answer could there be, that Dipper willingly ran away?]] [[TheoryTunnelVision Pfft, of course not.]] Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow already had the materials and skills necessary to successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board, a line of thought which also assumes pirates possessed remarkably exact foresight on a series of extremely unpredictable variables somehow, despite the gift of prophecy being established as impossible for humans. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family, and that he clearly came back home in secret during the period he was supposedly captured and gathered materials to take with him before leaving again, as if he was knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores the telling absences where there should be evidence; they don't even have concrete evidence that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place, given that it had been accompanied by another vessel both before and during its sinking. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, one of two ships sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper's disappeared--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and can't drown, [[TheoryTunnelvision and entertain no other possibilities whatsoever]]. Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford assumes that these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow already had the materials and skills necessary to successfully capture an abnormally powerful siren that just happened to be passing by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how clumsy and powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board, a line of thought which also assumes pirates possessed remarkably exact foresight on a series of extremely unpredictable variables somehow, despite the gift of prophecy being established as impossible for humans.board. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family, and that he clearly came back home in secret during the period he was supposedly captured and gathered materials to take with him before leaving again, as if he was knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores the telling absences where there should be evidence; they don't even have concrete a hint of evidence that Dipper is or ever was anywhere near the ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place, given that it had been accompanied by another vessel both before and during its sinking. place. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, one of two ships a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor half a day later, and Dipper's disappeared--Ford Dipper disappeared around this time--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held prisoner on a presumably magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and can't drown, [[TheoryTunnelvision and entertain no other possibilities whatsoever]]. Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After discovering that a shipwreck ''possibly'' crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford assumes that the hypothetical pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the ship sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the eleven hours underwater afterwards, 2). successfully taken a ridiculously powerful if poorly trained siren that just happened to be passing by against his will, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how powerless, non-functional, and disadvantaged humans are compared to sirens in the water, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the siren captured on board, a line of thought which implies these assumed pirates possessed remarkably exact foresight on a series of extremely unpredictable variables, somehow. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion contradicts and even completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence about Dipper's disappearance, like the fact that Dipper clearly came back in secret and retrieved very specific materials, and it ignores the absences where there should be evidence; they don't even have concrete evidence that anyone sank with the ship, or survived the sinking, or that Dipper is or ever was anywhere ''near'' the ship. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor, and Dipper disappeared--they conclude definitively that Dipper is being held against his will on presumably a magic sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and can't drown, [[TheoryTunnelvision and entertain no other possibilities whatsoever]]. Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After discovering hearing word that a shipwreck ''possibly'' previously crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford assumes that the these entirely hypothetical human pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the ship initial sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the eleven hours long duration they spent deep underwater afterwards, 2). somehow already had the materials and skills necessary to successfully taken a ridiculously capture an abnormally powerful if poorly trained siren that just happened to be passing by against his will, by, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how powerless, non-functional, clumsy and disadvantaged powerless humans are when compared to sirens in the water, water even when excusing the oxygen issue, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the powerful siren captured on board, a line of thought which implies these assumed also assumes pirates possessed remarkably exact foresight on a series of extremely unpredictable variables, somehow.variables somehow, despite the gift of prophecy being established as impossible for humans. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion contradicts conclusion, while theoretically possible in the world of the story, is in no way the most likely explanation for Dipper's disappearance and even completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence about Dipper's surrounding said disappearance, like the fact that it was well known that Dipper was chaffing under the living conditions forced upon him by his family, and that he clearly came back home in secret during the period he was supposedly captured and retrieved very specific materials, and it gathered materials to take with him before leaving again, as if he was knowingly preparing not to come back. Ford's theory also ignores the telling absences where there should be evidence; they don't even have concrete evidence that anyone sank with the ship, or survived the sinking, or that Dipper is or ever was anywhere ''near'' near the ship. ship, or that anyone survived the sinking of the ship, or even if anyone went down with the ship in the first place, given that it had been accompanied by another vessel both before and during its sinking. From only ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship one of two ships sank and then was raised from the seafloor, seafloor half a day later, and Dipper disappeared--they Dipper's disappeared--Ford and Stan conclude definitively that Dipper is being held against his will prisoner on a presumably a magic transforming sinking ship specifically by pirates who can see the future and can't drown, [[TheoryTunnelvision and entertain no other possibilities whatsoever]]. Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.
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When his crew mutiny under the magically-empowered leadership of his treacherous first mate, fasten him to the mainmast and blow his ship to a watery doom, Bill believes he's finished. But in the depths of the sea, there is other life, and kinder creatures--one even willing to save a life like his, in exchange for an escape from the ImplicitPrison of an overly-restrictive home. Together, infamous pirate Captain William Cipher and siren and new First Mate Dipper Pines raise the ruined shipwreck, hunt for Bill's mutinous crew, and set sail for the secrets of their past and their path towards the future. Standing against them are a maniacal traitor, a well-meaning family, Bill's own possibly disturbed mind, and a conspicuously unnamed pirate of the past who ties all these things together.

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When his crew mutiny under the magically-empowered leadership of his treacherous first mate, fasten him to the mainmast and blow his ship to a watery doom, Bill believes he's finished. But in the depths of the sea, there is other life, and kinder creatures--one even willing to save a life like his, in exchange for an escape from the ImplicitPrison of an overly-restrictive home. Together, infamous pirate Captain William Cipher and siren and new First Mate Dipper Pines raise the ruined shipwreck, hunt for Bill's mutinous crew, and set sail for the secrets of their past and their path towards the future. Standing against them are a maniacal traitor, a well-meaning family, Bill's own possibly disturbed mind, and a conspicuously unnamed pirate of the past who ties all of these things together.
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* InsaneTrollLogic: After discovering that a shipwreck ''possibly'' crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford assumes that the hypothetical pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the ship sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the hours underwater afterwards, 2). taken an ridiculously powerful, magically gifted siren in his natural element captive against his will, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea with the siren captured on board, a line of thought which implies these assumed pirates remarkably exact foresight on a series of very unpredictable variables, somehow. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion contradicts and even completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence about Dipper's disappearance, like the fact that Dipper clearly came back in secret and retrieved very specific materials, and it ignores the absences where there should be evidence; they don't even have concrete evidence that anyone sank with the ship, or survived the sinking, or that Dipper is or ever was anywhere ''near'' the ship. From only three pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor, and Dipper disappeared--they conclude definitively that Dipper is being held against his will on presumably a magic sinking ship specifically by powerful magic pirates who can see the future and can't drown, and entertain no other possibilities. Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.

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* InsaneTrollLogic: After discovering that a shipwreck ''possibly'' crewed by pirates was raised from the seafloor around the time Dipper disappeared, Ford assumes that the hypothetical pirates ''must'' have: 1). survived the ship sinking to the bottom of the Mediterranean sea and the eleven hours underwater afterwards, 2). successfully taken an a ridiculously powerful, magically gifted powerful if poorly trained siren in his natural element captive that just happened to be passing by against his will, despite the story going out of its way to demonstrate how powerless, non-functional, and disadvantaged humans are compared to sirens in the water, and 3). raised their ship from the bottom of the sea completely restored of all damage with the siren captured on board, a line of thought which implies these assumed pirates possessed remarkably exact foresight on a series of very extremely unpredictable variables, somehow. Thus, [[InsaneTrollLogic Dipper must need rescuing from pirates]]. This conclusion contradicts and even completely ignores a lot of the actual circumstantial evidence about Dipper's disappearance, like the fact that Dipper clearly came back in secret and retrieved very specific materials, and it ignores the absences where there should be evidence; they don't even have concrete evidence that anyone sank with the ship, or survived the sinking, or that Dipper is or ever was anywhere ''near'' the ship. From only three ''three'' pieces of information--pirates possibly in the area, a ship sank and then was raised from the seafloor, and Dipper disappeared--they conclude definitively that Dipper is being held against his will on presumably a magic sinking ship specifically by powerful magic pirates who can see the future and can't drown, [[TheoryTunnelvision and entertain no other possibilities.possibilities whatsoever]]. Even the semi-accuracy of their assumption is astonishing considering how little evidence they used to get to it. The Stan twins appear to have heard the word "pirates" and turned their brains off.



** [[spoiler: Possibly [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] by the later implication that Ford has a history with pirates and believes that the nonhuman pirate he has bad blood with, "Cipher," will somehow come after one or both of the twins around their eighteenth birthday, a date only a month after Dipper's disappearance. Knowing this, it's easier to understand why the word "pirate" in any association with Dipper's disappearance triggered Ford's paranoia and caused him to jump the gun, because under the assumption that Ford's Cipher is responsible, the power and planning required to do all of these ridiculous things is suddenly feasible. It's still an irrational leap in logic regardless, as there is no evidence that any of the above actually happened or is even connected to Dipper's disappearance, but it's made more understandable by Ford's history and fears.]]

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** [[spoiler: Possibly [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] by the later implication that Ford has a history with pirates and believes that the nonhuman pirate he has bad blood with, "Cipher," will somehow come after one or both of the twins around their eighteenth birthday, a date only a month after Dipper's disappearance. Knowing this, it's easier to understand why the word "pirate" in any association with Dipper's disappearance triggered Ford's paranoia and caused him to jump the gun, because under the assumption that Ford's Cipher is responsible, the power and planning required to do all of these ridiculous things intentionally is suddenly feasible. It's still an irrational leap in logic regardless, as there is no evidence that any of the above actually happened or is even connected to Dipper's disappearance, but it's made more understandable by Ford's history and fears.]]

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