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* The Kingsguard of Aegon II and the Queensguard of Rhaenyra considers each other to be false knights serving a usurper. The split of the Kingsguard during the Dance was blamed on Criston Cole who served Aegon II.

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* The Kingsguard of Ser Gyles Belgrave failed to protect Aegon II and the Queensguard of Rhaenyra considers each other to be false knights serving a usurper. chose death over disgrace.
* Ser Criston Cole was remembered as
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* The Kingsguard of Maegor the Cruel, on the grounds that they served Maegor. His remaining Kingsguard were all sent to the Wall, where two of them, Ser Olyvar Bracken and Ser Raymund Mallery, started a rebellion among the Night's Watch that led to the death of Lord Walton Stark. Ser Olyvar was killed when the rebellion was crushed, while Ser Raymund and a few of his followers escaped north of the Wall, hoping to defect to the wildlings, who instead butchered and ate them.

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* The Kingsguard of Maegor the Cruel, on Cruel were remembered as a nasty bunch. Ser Owen Bush was known to have murdered members of the grounds that they served Maegor. royal family under Maegor's orders. His remaining Kingsguard were all sent to the Wall, where two of them, Ser Olyvar Bracken and Ser Raymund Mallery, started a rebellion among the Night's Watch that led to the death of Lord Walton Stark. Ser Olyvar was killed when the rebellion was crushed, while Ser Raymund and a few of his followers escaped north of the Wall, hoping to defect to the wildlings, who instead butchered and ate them.mutiny.
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* The Kingsguard of Maegor, on the grounds that they served Maegor. His remaining Kingsguard were all sent to the Wall.

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* The Kingsguard of Maegor, Maegor the Cruel, on the grounds that they served Maegor. His remaining Kingsguard were all sent to the Wall.Wall, where two of them, Ser Olyvar Bracken and Ser Raymund Mallery, started a rebellion among the Night's Watch that led to the death of Lord Walton Stark. Ser Olyvar was killed when the rebellion was crushed, while Ser Raymund and a few of his followers escaped north of the Wall, hoping to defect to the wildlings, who instead butchered and ate them.
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* Ser Marston Waters and Ser Mervyn Flowers instigated a coup to topple the Rogarre family and place King Aegon III under their control.

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* Ser Marston Waters and Ser Mervyn Flowers instigated a coup to topple the Rogarre family and place King Aegon III under their control.
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The Hand is the King's chief lieutenant and is in charge of makingthe King's commands a reality. Some Hands, however, caused conflict because they and the Kings they served did not see eye-to-eye.

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The Hand is the King's chief lieutenant and is in charge of makingthe making the King's commands a reality. Some Hands, however, caused conflict because they and the Kings they served did not see eye-to-eye.
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* Rodrik Flint was another Lord Commander but he sided with wildlings and even became King-Beyond-The Wall.

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* Rodrik Flint was another Lord Commander but he who sided with wildlings and even became King-Beyond-The Wall.
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* Prince Viserys Targaryen was thought lost during The Dance of the Dragons so his return was considered a miracle. He was Hand during the reigns of his brother Aegon III and his nephews Daeron I and Baelor. He developed a reputation as an unsavory power behind the throne. When Baelor died of malnutrition, Viserys became king and was the prime suspect in his nephew's death. His reputation remains mixed.

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* Prince Viserys Targaryen was thought lost during The Dance of the Dragons so his return was considered a miracle. He was Hand during the reigns of his brother Aegon III and his nephews Daeron I and Baelor. He developed a an unsavory reputation as an unsavory the power behind the throne. throne and was blamed for the foibles of his kings. When Baelor died of malnutrition, Viserys became king and was the prime suspect in his nephew's death. His reputation remains mixed.
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* Lord Eddard Stark was a hero who helped topple House Targaryen. When he became Hand, he found out that King Robert's children were illegitimate so he planned a coup but failed and was executed. He is remembered as a traitor despite his best intentions.

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* Lord Eddard Stark was a hero who helped to topple House Targaryen. When he became Hand, he found out that King Robert's children were illegitimate so he planned a coup but failed and was executed. He is remembered as a traitor despite his best intentions.
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* Ser Terrence Toyne was executed for falling in love with his king's mistress. His brothers failed to kill the king and their whole family was attainted. They are now all remembered as traitors despite having legitimate cause.
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* Daemon Blackfyre was the illegitimate son of a king. He was proof that a bastard can rise in mainstream Westerosi society. But he then rebelled and lost his life. He is now remembered as the greatest of traitors and proof that bastards are untrustworthy.

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* Daemon Blackfyre was the illegitimate son of a Targaryen king. He was proof that a bastard can rise in mainstream Westerosi society. But he then rebelled and lost his life. He is now remembered as the greatest of traitors and proof that bastards are untrustworthy.

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* Daemon Blackfyre was the illegitimate son of a king. He was proof that a bastard can rise in mainstream Westerosi society. But he then rebelled and lost his life. He is now remembered as the greatest of traitors and proof that bastards are untrustworthy.
* Prince Viserys Targaryen was thought lost during The Dance of the Dragons so his return was considered a miracle. He was Hand during the reigns of his brother Aegon III and his nephews Daeron I and Baelor. He developed a reputation as an unsavory power behind the throne. When Baelor died of malnutrition, Viserys became king and was the prime suspect in his nephew's death. His reputation remains mixed.
* The mother of Viserys was Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen who was called "The Realm's Delight" in her youth but having illegitimate sons tarnished her reputation, making most people see her half-brother Aegon II as a more suitable heir. Her forces occupied the capitol during the Dance but the deprivation caused the peasants to revolt and kill the Targaryen dragons. Though her descendants ruled after her, she has gone down in history as a traitor.
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* Prince Viserys Targaryen was thought lost during The Dance of the Dragons so his return was considered a miracle. He was Hand during the reigns of his brother Aegon III and his nephews Daeron I and Baelor. He developed a reputation as an unsavory power behind the throne. When Baelor died of malnutrition, Viserys became king and was the prime suspect in his nephew's death. His reputation remains mixed.



* Prince Maegor Targayen was an effective hand for his brother King Aenys but his own antics as King tarnished his reputation forever.



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* Daemon Blackfyre was the illegitimate son of a king. He was proof that a bastard can rise in mainstream Westerosi society. But he then rebelled and lost his life. He is now remembered as the greatest of traitors and proof that bastards are untrustworthy.
* Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen was called "The Realm's Delight" in her youth but having illegitimate sons tarnished her reputation, making most people see her half-brother Aegon II as a more suitable heir. Her forces occupied the capitol during the Dance but the deprivation caused the peasants to revolt and kill the Targaryen dragons. Though her descendants ruled after her, she has gone down in history as a traitor.
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The Kingsguard are supposed to be the valiant protectors of the King. The Reality is far more complicated.

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The Kingsguard are supposed to be the valiant protectors of the King. King and the most chivalrous knights of the realm. The Reality reality is far more complicated.
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* Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen was called "The Realm's Delight" in her youth but having illegitimate sons tarnished her reputation and made her half-brother Aegon II a more suitable heir. Her forces occupied the capitol during the Dance and the deprivation caused the peasants to revolt and kill the Targaryen dragons. Though her descendants ruled after her, she has gone down in history as a traitor.

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* Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen was called "The Realm's Delight" in her youth but having illegitimate sons tarnished her reputation and made reputation, making most people see her half-brother Aegon II as a more suitable heir. Her forces occupied the capitol during the Dance and but the deprivation caused the peasants to revolt and kill the Targaryen dragons. Though her descendants ruled after her, she has gone down in history as a traitor.
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* Daemon Blackfyre was the illegitimate son of a king. He was idolized and beloved. He became proof that a bastard can rise in mainstream Westerosi society. But he then rebelled and lost his life. He is now remembered as the greatest of traitors and proof that bastards are untrustworthy.

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* Daemon Blackfyre was the illegitimate son of a king. He was idolized and beloved. He became proof that a bastard can rise in mainstream Westerosi society. But he then rebelled and lost his life. He is now remembered as the greatest of traitors and proof that bastards are untrustworthy.

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* Lord Rogar Baratheon was called a hero by Septon Barth. He helped King Jaeherys take the throne from Maegor but he later thought that the young king was impetuous and had to be set aside so he tried to instigate a coup. He was foiled and pardoned but he was kept on a short leash for the rest of his life.

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* Lord Rogar Baratheon was called a hero by Septon Barth. He helped King Jaeherys take the throne from Maegor but he later thought that the new young king was impetuous and had to be set aside so he tried to instigate a coup. He was foiled and pardoned but he was kept on a short leash for the rest of his life.


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* Daemon Blackfyre was the illegitimate son of a king. He was idolized and beloved. He became proof that a bastard can rise in mainstream Westerosi society. But he then rebelled and lost his life. He is now remembered as the greatest of traitors and proof that bastards are untrustworthy.
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* And there were others like the cowardly Ser Orivel and the traitorous Ser Gyles Greycloak.
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* Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen was called "The Realm's Delight" in her youth but having illegitimate sons tarnished her reputation and made her half-brother Aegon II a more suitable heir. Her forces occupied the capitol during the Dance and the deprivation caused the peasants to revolt and kill the Targaryen dragons. Though her descendants ruled after her, she has gone down in history as a traitor.

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* Lord Ambrose Butterwell was known for being witty but he was removed as Hand because it was suspected that he secretly supported Daemon Blackfyre. This was confirmed years later when he was caught in a conspiracy to rebel in the name of Daemon II.



* The Kingsguard of Aegon II and the Queensguard of Rhaenyra considers each other to be false knights serving a usurper.
* Ser Lucamore Strong was a famous and knight until his secret that he had three wives and numerous children was discovered.

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* The Kingsguard of Aegon II and the Queensguard of Rhaenyra considers each other to be false knights serving a usurper.
usurper. The split of the Kingsguard during the Dance was blamed on Criston Cole who served Aegon II.
* Ser Lucamore Strong was a famous and knight loved until his secret that he had three wives and numerous children was discovered.discovered.
* The Kingsguard of Maegor, on the grounds that they served Maegor. His remaining Kingsguard were all sent to the Wall.
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* Ser Jaime Lannister committed the ultimate by slaying the king that he swore to protect.

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* Ser Jaime Lannister committed the ultimate taboo by slaying the king that he swore to protect.



* Ser Lucamore Strong was a famous and loved knight until his secret that he had three wives and numerous children was discovered.

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* Ser Lucamore Strong was a famous and loved knight until his secret that he had three wives and numerous children was discovered.

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The Kingsguard are supposed to be the valiant protectors of the King. The Reality is far more complicated.
* Ser Jaime Lannister committed the ultimate by slaying the king that he swore to protect.
* Ser Marston Waters and Ser Mervyn Flowers instigated a coup to topple the Rogarre family and place King Aegon III under their control.
* The Kingsguard of Aegon II and the Queensguard of Rhaenyra considers each other to be false knights serving a usurper.
* Ser Lucamore Strong was a famous and loved knight until his secret that he had three wives and numerous children was discovered.
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* Runcel Hightower was also a Lord Commander but his decision to let his son inherit his position instead of relying on an election caused a civil war in the Watch.

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* Runcel Hightower was also a Lord Commander but his decision to let his son inherit his position instead of relying on holding an election caused a civil war in the Watch.
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* Rodrik Flint was another Lord Commander but he sided with wildlings and even became King-Beyond-The Wall.
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* Lord Rogar Baratheon was called a hero by Septon Barth. He helped King Jaeherys take the throne from Maegor but he laterb thought that the young king was impetuous and had to be set aside in favor. Finally, he tried to instigate a coup. He was foiled and pardoned but he was kept on a short leash for the rest of his life.

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* Lord Rogar Baratheon was called a hero by Septon Barth. He helped King Jaeherys take the throne from Maegor but he laterb later thought that the young king was impetuous and had to be set aside in favor. Finally, so he tried to instigate a coup. He was foiled and pardoned but he was kept on a short leash for the rest of his life.

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* Lord Eddard Stark was a hero who helped topple House Targaryen. When he became Hand, he found out that King Robert's children were illegitimate so he planned a coup but failed and was executed. He is remembered as a traitor despite his best inentions.

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* Lord Eddard Stark was a hero who helped topple House Targaryen. When he became Hand, he found out that King Robert's children were illegitimate so he planned a coup but failed and was executed. He is remembered as a traitor despite his best inentions.intentions.
* Prince Viserys Targaryen was thought lost during The Dance of the Dragons so his return was considered a miracle. He was Hand during the reigns of his brother Aegon III and his nephews Daeron I and Baelor. He developed a reputation as an unsavory power behind the throne. When Baelor died of malnutrition, Viserys became king and was the prime suspect in his nephew's death. His reputation remains mixed.



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The Hand is the King's chief lieutenant and is in charge of makingthe King's commands a reality. Some Hands, however, caused conflict because they and the Kings they served did not see eye-to-eye.
* Lord Eddard Stark was a hero who helped topple House Targaryen. When he became Hand, he found out that King Robert's children were illegitimate so he planned a coup but failed and was executed. He is remembered as a traitor despite his best inentions.
* Ser Otto Hightower was known for his learning, and hated for instigating the civil war known as the Dance of the Dragons.
* Lord Rogar Baratheon was called a hero by Septon Barth. He helped King Jaeherys take the throne from Maegor but he laterb thought that the young king was impetuous and had to be set aside in favor. Finally, he tried to instigate a coup. He was foiled and pardoned but he was kept on a short leash for the rest of his life.
* Prince Maegor Targayen was an effective hand for his brother King Aenys but his own antics as King tarnished his reputation forever.
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* Nothing is known about Marq Rankenfell, [[EvilBastard Robin Hill]] and Tristan Mudd only that they almost destroyed the Watch.

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* Nothing is known about Marq Rankenfell, [[EvilBastard [[BastardBastard Robin Hill]] and Tristan Mudd only that they almost destroyed the Watch.

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Morality is so murky in ''[[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire]]'' that it is easy for anyone who thinks themselves the hero to fall to their own hubris and become the thing they fight against.

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Morality is so murky in ''[[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire]]'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' that it is easy for anyone who thinks themselves the hero to fall to their own hubris and become the thing they fight against.




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The Night's Watch was established to protect the realm from a great supernatural threat, but not everyone has been worthy of the Black.
* Mance Rayder was a former brother of the Watch until a difference of opinion over uniform standards caused him to defect to the Wildlings and become their King-Beyond-The Wall.
* The Night's King was a former Lord Commander known for having no fear. He gave himself over to the dark powers and enslaved the Watch.
* Runcel Hightower was also a Lord Commander but his decision to let his son inherit his position instead of relying on an election caused a civil war in the Watch.
* Mad Axe was a serial killer.
* The Rat Cook (if he even existed) killed a visiting king's son and served him to his father for dinner. The cook was said to have been transformed into a rat that eats its own young not because he killed someone but because he violated guest right.
* Nothing is known about Marq Rankenfell, [[EvilBastard Robin Hill]] and Tristan Mudd only that they almost destroyed the Watch.



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Morality is so murky in ''[[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire]]'' that it is easy for anyone who thinks themselves the hero to fall to their own hubris and become the thing they fight against.

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