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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'':
** Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.
** He also goads Mr. Incredible into following through his threat on crushing his assistant Mirage, and when Mr. Incredible dejectedly drops her, Syndrome states he knew couldn't do it because the fiend believes that VirtueIsWeakness. Later when Mirage calls Syndrome out, he casually "reassures" her that he called Mr. Incredible's bluff because he knew that the latter was "weak" and wouldn't have it in him to kill her. He's actually quite surprised and completely confused when she storms out on him for that response.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'':
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''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.
** He *** Syndrome also goads Mr. Incredible into following through his threat on crushing his assistant Mirage, and when Mr. Incredible dejectedly drops her, Syndrome states he knew couldn't do it because the fiend believes that VirtueIsWeakness. Later when Mirage calls Syndrome out, he casually "reassures" her that he called Mr. Incredible's bluff because he knew that the latter was "weak" and wouldn't have it in him to kill her. He's actually quite surprised left dumbfounded and completely confused when she storms out on him for that response.
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** Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.
** He also goads Mr. Incredible into following through his threat on crushing his assistant Mirage, and when Mr. Incredible dejectedly drops her, Syndrome states he knew couldn't do it because the fiend believes that VirtureIsWeakness. Later when Mirage calls Syndrome out, he casually "reassures" her that he called Mr. Incredible's bluff because he knew that the latter was "weak" and wouldn't have it in him to kill her. He's actually quite surprised and completely confused when she storms out on him for that response.

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** Syndrome **Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.
** He **He also goads Mr. Incredible into following through his threat on crushing his assistant Mirage, and when Mr. Incredible dejectedly drops her, Syndrome states he knew couldn't do it because the fiend believes that VirtureIsWeakness.VirtueIsWeakness. Later when Mirage calls Syndrome out, he casually "reassures" her that he called Mr. Incredible's bluff because he knew that the latter was "weak" and wouldn't have it in him to kill her. He's actually quite surprised and completely confused when she storms out on him for that response.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'': Syndrome ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'':
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hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.revenge.
**He also goads Mr. Incredible into following through his threat on crushing his assistant Mirage, and when Mr. Incredible dejectedly drops her, Syndrome states he knew couldn't do it because the fiend believes that VirtureIsWeakness. Later when Mirage calls Syndrome out, he casually "reassures" her that he called Mr. Incredible's bluff because he knew that the latter was "weak" and wouldn't have it in him to kill her. He's actually quite surprised and completely confused when she storms out on him for that response.
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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero like Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars}}'': At the end of the movie, Chick Hicks is completely blown away when everyone begins booing him after he wins the race. The fact he only won because he caused beloved racer Strip "The King" Weathers to suffer a brutal crash seems to slip his mind or, at least, he doesn't see why people would care about it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars}}'': ''WesternAnimation/Cars1'': At the end of the movie, Chick Hicks is completely blown away when everyone begins booing him after he wins the race. The fact he only won because he caused beloved racer Strip "The King" Weathers to suffer a brutal crash seems to slip his mind or, at least, he doesn't see why people would care about it.it.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}'': Ernesto de la Cruz couldn't understand why his friend Hector would want to give up a chance at fame to go home to his family, [[spoiler:since all Ernesto [[ItsAllAboutMe himself cared about was fame]]. And so, he murdered him and stole his songs out of pure greed.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}'': Ernesto de la Cruz couldn't understand why his friend Hector would want to give up a chance at fame to go home to his family, [[spoiler:since all Ernesto [[ItsAllAboutMe himself cared about was fame]]. And so, he murdered him and stole his songs out of pure greed.]]]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Cars}}'': At the end of the movie, Chick Hicks is completely blown away when everyone begins booing him after he wins the race. The fact he only won because he caused beloved racer Strip "The King" Weathers to suffer a brutal crash seems to slip his mind or, at least, he doesn't see why people would care about it.
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*** Rick Dicker notes that politicians have difficulty believing that somebody would do good solely for the sake of doing good, and comments that this is probably why heroes are still illegal. Keeping in mind that is likely around the early '60s and with likely a Cold War happening, this makes Rick's observations more poignant.

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*** Rick Dicker notes that cynical politicians have difficulty believing that somebody would do good solely for the sake of doing good, and comments that this is probably why heroes are still illegal. Keeping in mind that is likely around the early '60s and with likely a Cold War happening, this makes Rick's observations more poignant.
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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when it was really because he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have easily started his own path as a ScienceHero using [[GadgeteerGenius gadgets like Batman]], but chose to use it for petty revenge.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid as he [[BadassNormal lacked superpowers]], when it was really because in reality, he was too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have easily started forged his own path as a GadgeteerGenius ScienceHero using [[GadgeteerGenius gadgets like Batman]], Batman, but chose to use it for petty revenge.
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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid due to his [[BadassNormal lacking powers]], when it was really because he was overeager and impulsive, and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have easily started his own path as a ScienceHero using [[GadgeteerGenius gadgets like Batman]], but chose to use it for petty revenge.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome hopes to use his EngineeredHeroics scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real qualities like self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid due to his as he [[BadassNormal lacking powers]], lacked superpowers]], when it was really because he was overeager and impulsive, too impulsive and almost killed himself trying to help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have easily started his own path as a ScienceHero using [[GadgeteerGenius gadgets like Batman]], but chose to use it for petty revenge.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome has a moment where Bob calls him out on killing off real heroes so he could pretend to be one with an EngineeredHeroics scam. Syndrome mocks that his advanced technology was real enough to have beaten Bob's inherent superpowers. It never occurs to him that Bob meant real, noble qualities like morality, self-sacrifice, or strength of character. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he was trying to be Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid due to his [[BadassNormal lacking]] [[GadgeteerGenius powers]], when it was really because he was overeager and impulsive, and almost killed himself trying to help.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome has a moment where Bob calls him out on killing off real heroes so he could pretend hopes to be one with an use his EngineeredHeroics scam. Syndrome mocks that his advanced technology was scam to bask in public glory by [[FakeUltimateHero faking a threat]] only he could stop, unaware it takes real enough to have beaten Bob's inherent superpowers. It never occurs to him that Bob meant real, noble qualities like morality, self-sacrifice, or strength of character. self-sacrifice and morality to be a real hero, something which Mr. Incredible calls him out on. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he was trying to be tried becoming Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid due to his [[BadassNormal lacking]] [[GadgeteerGenius lacking powers]], when it was really because he was overeager and impulsive, and almost killed himself trying to help.help. As a ChildProdigy, Syndrome could have easily started his own path as a ScienceHero using [[GadgeteerGenius gadgets like Batman]], but chose to use it for petty revenge.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Ernesto de la Cruz]] couldn't understand why his friend Hector would want to give up a chance at fame to go home to his family, since all Ernesto [[ItsAllAboutMe himself cared about was fame]]. And so, he murdered him and stole his songs out of pure greed.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Ernesto de la Cruz]] Cruz couldn't understand why his friend Hector would want to give up a chance at fame to go home to his family, since [[spoiler:since all Ernesto [[ItsAllAboutMe himself cared about was fame]]. And so, he murdered him and stole his songs out of pure greed.]]
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--->'''Mr. Incredible''': You mean you killed off real heroes so that you could '''''pretend''''' to be one?\\
'''Syndrome''': Oh, I'm real. Real enough to defeat ''you''!
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--->'''Mr. Incredible''': You mean you killed off real heroes so that you could '''''pretend''''' to be one?\\
'''Syndrome''': Oh, I'm real. Real enough to defeat ''you''!
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* In ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'', Lotso the Hugging Bear obviously never expected [[spoiler:Woody to return to TheAlcatraz to help his friends after he safely escaped, or for Ken to choose Barbie over him. He also can't fathom Buzz's loyalty to his friends after the latter declined Lotso's offer to join the Butterfly Room without his friends.]] WordOfGod has described Lotso as [[StrawNihilist someone who]], [[spoiler:after his StartOfDarkness, believes that LoveIsAWeakness, and ThePowerOfFriendship is what enables Woody to get back and help his friends. Plus, while both Woody and Lotso are the leaders of a "family" of toys, [[EvilCounterpart Lotso]] keeps his own in line via coercion and outright violence if they're not in compliance.]]
* ''Franchise/TheIncredibles''
** ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'': Syndrome has a moment where Bob calls him out on killing off real heroes so he could pretend to be one with an EngineeredHeroics scam. Syndrome mocks that his advanced technology was real enough to have beaten Bob's inherent superpowers. It never occurs to him that Bob meant real, noble qualities like morality, self-sacrifice, or strength of character. Flashbacks show that he had these qualities even when he was trying to be Mr. Incredible's sidekick, believing that the older hero rejected his bid due to his [[BadassNormal lacking]] [[GadgeteerGenius powers]], when it was really because he was overeager and impulsive, and almost killed himself trying to help.
** ''WesternAnimation/Incredibles2'':
*** Rick Dicker notes that politicians have difficulty believing that somebody would do good solely for the sake of doing good, and comments that this is probably why heroes are still illegal. Keeping in mind that is likely around the early '60s and with likely a Cold War happening, this makes Rick's observations more poignant.
*** [[spoiler:Evelyn Deavor believed her brother Winston would fall in line with her plan once she tried to save them from the yacht. Instead, he jumps off the escape jet and actively heads to foil her plan as best he can.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Ernesto de la Cruz]] couldn't understand why his friend Hector would want to give up a chance at fame to go home to his family, since all Ernesto [[ItsAllAboutMe himself cared about was fame]]. And so, he murdered him and stole his songs out of pure greed.]]

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