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** Rippenfan33: The circumstances behind the aforementioned death. Now, I'll admit I don't fully understand the rules, but as I understand it, the Elder Wand bonds with its' owner until they die, and then if someone new takes possession of it, they become its' new owner and it bonds with them, but only if they take the wand in a certain way. So Draco gets the wand after Dumbledore dies, then Harry takes it from Draco, then Voldy takes it from Harry after he "kills" him, but apparently he took it in the wrong way, so it's still bonded to Harry, and reflects his own Cruturus Curse back on him. This sounds like a very convenient ContrivedCoincidence so that Harry doesn't have to get his hands dirty and actually kill Voldemort himself, and, while it is nice that Voldy is undone because of his own hubris, it seems less satisfying that he gets defeated because of weird wand rule BS.

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** Rippenfan33: The circumstances behind the aforementioned death. Now, I'll admit I don't fully understand the rules, but as I understand it, the Elder Wand bonds with its' its owner until they die, and then if someone new takes possession of it, they become its' its new owner and it bonds with them, but only if they take the wand in a certain way. So Draco gets the wand after Dumbledore dies, then Harry takes it from Draco, then Voldy takes it from Harry after he "kills" him, but apparently he took it in the wrong way, so it's still bonded to Harry, and reflects his own Cruturus Curse back on him. This sounds like a very convenient ContrivedCoincidence so that Harry doesn't have to get his hands dirty and actually kill Voldemort himself, and, while it is nice that Voldy is undone because of his own hubris, it seems less satisfying that he gets defeated because of weird wand rule BS.
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** Shadow200: Agreed. Honestly, it's actions like this as well as what they did to Marietta (who was likely tortured as well and forced to admit) and Cho that makes me wonder just why I should be supporting our *cough* Protagonists with the way they act. Not one Slytherin is ever allowed to be shown to be a decent follow or a positive light, EVER. All because AmbitionIsEvil. So wanting to do great things and to improve yourself and your family is evil? Well, if that's the case ThenLetMeBeEvil.

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** Shadow200: Agreed. Honestly, it's actions like this as well as what they did to Marietta (who was likely tortured as well and forced to admit) and Cho that makes me wonder just why I should be supporting our *cough* Protagonists with the way they act. Not one Slytherin is ever allowed to be shown to be a decent follow fellow or in a positive light, EVER. All because AmbitionIsEvil. So wanting to do great things and to improve yourself and your family is evil? Well, if that's the case ThenLetMeBeEvil.
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* Tropers/{{Fluffything}}: The whole subplot turned Hermione from [[TheSmartGuy the smart girl]] (who sometimes wanders into InsufferableGenius territory) to a KnowNothingKnowItAll FreeTheFrogs type character. It's such an utterly [[OutOfCharacter OOC]] moment for Hermione that there's no way it could be used for anything other than as a poorly-written joke. You'd think JK Rowling would handle the subject with more sensitivity, and would have Hermione handle the situation with care and thorough research on the subject. Nope, it's treated as a joke. The joke is that Hermione is trying to free slaves.

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* ** Tropers/{{Fluffything}}: The whole subplot turned Hermione from [[TheSmartGuy the smart girl]] (who sometimes wanders into InsufferableGenius territory) to a KnowNothingKnowItAll FreeTheFrogs type character. It's such an utterly [[OutOfCharacter OOC]] moment for Hermione that there's no way it could be used for anything other than as a poorly-written joke. You'd think JK Rowling would handle the subject with more sensitivity, and would have Hermione handle the situation with care and thorough research on the subject. Nope, it's treated as a joke. The joke is that Hermione is trying to free slaves.
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* TheLuckyCat: I'm a big fan of this series and I read it growing up. However, nothing is perfect and re-reading the books as I got older, more problems became obvious. One thing that really pissed me off in this book? Mrs. Weasley's treatment of Hermione. To put into context, the novel's recurring annoyance, Rita Skeeter, continuously publishes slanderous articles throughout the book, mostly about Harry. For a portion of the book, Rita implies that Hermione is in a LoveTriangle with Harry and Krum and is stringing both boys along, which is BlatantLies for anybody who knows the characters even a little bit and is done because Rita has a petty grudge against Hermione. Yet a lot of people in the Wizarding World fall for it and send poor Hermione hate mail, including one that makes her fingers swell up with bubotubar pus. Who also swallows these articles? Mrs. Weasley, the epitome of maternity in the entire goddamn franchise, pointedly snubs Hermione and does very passive-aggressive gestures like sends Harry and Ron chocolate and none for her. She only stops when Harry flat-out tells her that Rita was lying, and she starts being nice to Hermione again. Um, no. Mrs. Weasley owed Hermione a goddamn apology for indirectly SlutShaming her based on the articles printing by a notorious hack and for not bothering to get her side (though admittedly she at least did this out of motherly concern for Harry and not because she shipped Hermione with Ron), but both Hermione and the narrative just let this slide because Mrs. Weasley had "good intentions." After this, Mrs. Weasley came off like a BitchInSheepsClothing for a while afterwards.

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* TheLuckyCat: I'm a big fan of this series and I read it growing up. However, nothing is perfect and re-reading the books as I got older, more problems became obvious. One thing that really pissed me off in this book? Mrs. Weasley's treatment of Hermione. To put into context, the novel's recurring annoyance, Rita Skeeter, continuously publishes slanderous articles throughout the book, mostly about Harry. For a portion of the book, Rita implies that Hermione is in a LoveTriangle with Harry and Krum and is stringing both boys along, which is BlatantLies for anybody who knows the characters even a little bit and is done because Rita has a petty grudge against Hermione. Yet a lot of people in the Wizarding World fall for it and send poor Hermione hate mail, including one that makes her fingers swell up with bubotubar pus. Who also swallows these articles? Mrs. Weasley, the epitome of maternity in the entire goddamn franchise, pointedly snubs Hermione and does very passive-aggressive gestures like sends sending Harry and Ron chocolate and none for her. She only stops when Harry flat-out tells her that Rita was lying, and she starts being nice to Hermione again. Um, no. Mrs. Weasley owed Hermione a goddamn apology for indirectly SlutShaming her based on the articles printing by a notorious hack and for not bothering to get her side (though admittedly she at least did this out of motherly concern for Harry and not because she shipped Hermione with Ron), but both Hermione and the narrative just let this slide because Mrs. Weasley had "good intentions." After this, Mrs. Weasley came off like a BitchInSheepsClothing for a while afterwards.

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