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** Ethan is comparable to Jeff Denlon from ''Film/SawIII''. Jeff like Ethan, is divorced mentally unwell father who's young son died after being accidentally hit by a car before the events of the main story, and later has to deal with his other child (in Jeff's case, his daughter) getting kidnapped by the serial killer Jigsaw, who forces him to undergo a series of gruesome challenges in order to ensure her survival, similarly to how the Oragami Killer threatened to kill Shaun in order to make Ethan do what he demanded from him.
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: He can be played as this depending on the choices the player makes.
** Pascal Langdale has also said this is why Ethan pistol-whips Brad Silver if he chooses not to kill him. Ethan might be a nice guy, but he's not happy about being chased around and shot at.
** Pascal Langdale has also said this is why Ethan pistol-whips Brad Silver if he chooses not to kill him. Ethan might be a nice guy, but he's not happy about being chased around and shot at.
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: He can be played as this overall, depending on the choices the player makes.
**makes. Pascal Langdale has also said this is why Ethan pistol-whips Brad Silver if he chooses not to kill him. Ethan might be a nice guy, but he's not happy about being chased around and shot at.
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* ColorMotifs: Ethan has blue eyes, and his main outfits all contain the color blue. He wears a light blue shirt in the prologue, symbolizing his idyllic and peaceful life. In "The Mall," he wears a darker blue shirt. After the TimeSkip to "Father and Son," he wears an even darker blue hoodie for a few chapters, symbolizing his melancholia after Jason's death. The dull blue sweater he wears for most of the game starts to look more gray as the story progresses, symbolizing his despair and desire for redemption (both for failing to save Jason and his fear that he may be the Origami Killer).
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* DrowningMySorrows: Implied. He isn't seen drinking, but a look in his apartment's fridge reveals he's started keeping beer in the house after Jason's death. Several bottles are also seen in the motel room he [[spoiler:kills himself in]] in the "Origami Blues" ending.
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* DrowningMySorrows: Implied. He isn't seen drinking, getting drunk, but a look in his apartment's fridge reveals he's at least started keeping beer in the house after Jason's death. Several apparently empty bottles are also seen in the motel room he [[spoiler:kills himself in]] in the "Origami Blues" ending.
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** Ethan's name can mean "strong" or "enduring", and he can be played as a {{Determinator}} willing to do or endure anything to save his son.
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** Ethan's name Ethan can mean "strong" or "enduring", and he can be played as a {{Determinator}} willing to do or endure anything to save his son.
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* DropTheHammer: Grabs a forging hammer during her fight with Dr. Baker.
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* ImprovisedWeapon: Grabs a forging hammer during her fight with Dr. Baker.
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* TheHero: While there are 3 ([[spoiler:actually 2]]) other heroes of the story, Jayden is the most traditionally heroic of all of them, as he has no personal stake in the case other than having been assigned to it, but sees it though to end even when told to pack up and go home, always strives to do things by the book, and cares nothing about personal glory in favor of saving Shaun, especially in comparison to the psychopathic glory hungry Blake. Notably, in every scenario in the final level, Ethan (Shaun's father and the guy the Killer is obsessed with) never actually fights the Killer while Jayden (in every version where he makes it to the warehouse) always will.
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* FictionalFanRealCelebrity: The music player in her apartment displays the Music/{{Gorillaz}} album ''Music/DemonDays''.
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* FictionalFanRealCelebrity: The music player in her apartment displays the Music/{{Gorillaz}} album ''Music/DemonDays''.''Music/DemonDaysAlbum''.
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* TomboyWithAGirlyStreak: She rides a motorcycle, loves wearing leather jackets, has short hair, knows how to lockpick and can hold her own in a fight. She's also good at playing nurse, falls for Ethan quickly and is really, ''really'' good at turning the sexy up when she wants to.
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Madison doesn't really do anything too bad to warrant forgiveness being unwarranted and FFA isn't a morality aligned trope. Ockenden's girlfriend presumably abused him during their relationship, not after it.
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* EasilyForgiven: If Ethan forgives her for lying to him in "On the Loose."
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* FullFrontalAssault: A downplayed, heroic example. When Paco forces her to strip, Madison, if she discarded her bra, will automatically use the lamp to knock him out before she can take off her panties.
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* FullFrontalAssault: A downplayed, heroic downplayed example. When Paco forces her to strip, Madison, if she discarded her bra, will automatically use the lamp to knock him out before she can take off her panties.
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* GoodScarsEvilScars: He has some unexplained faded scars on his face. Leon Ockenden, who portrays Jayden, got the scars from a PsychoExGirlfriend, and the developers kept them for Jayden's character.
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* GoodScarsEvilScars: He has some unexplained faded scars on his face. Leon Ockenden, who portrays Jayden, got the scars from a PsychoExGirlfriend, an abusive ex-girlfriend, and the developers kept them for Jayden's character.
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* BigDamnHeroes: If she successfully finds the address where Shaun is held, she can give it to Ethan or Jayden if neither have it. It's also possible for her to save Ethan by warning him about the police waiting for him outside the warehouse.
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* BigDamnHeroes: If she successfully finds the address where Shaun is held, she can give it to Ethan or Jayden if neither have it.it or go to save him singlehandedly. It's also possible for her to save Ethan by warning him about the police waiting for him outside the warehouse.
* DamselInDistress: While she's typically good at getting herself out of trouble as she is at getting into it, if she goes with either Ethan or Jayden (but not both at the same time) in the final mission, she will end up being chased by the Origami Killer and, assuming she doesn't die beforehand, saved by her companion.
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* GoodStepmother: [[spoiler:Can become one to Shaun in the Epilogue if she romances Ethan. Doubly so if she rescues Shaun singlehandedly.]]
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* GoodStepmother: [[spoiler:Can become one to Shaun in the Epilogue if she romances Ethan. Ethan, keeps him out of prison and both Ethan and Shaun survive. Doubly so if she rescues Shaun singlehandedly.singlehandedly, though she and Ethan only just started their relationship at this point.]]
