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Korval: This is more of a plothole than Motive Decay:
- Khan, from Star Trek. Despite being an Evil Overlord, Khan is a reasonable man, and he parts company with Kirk on good terms — Kirk gives him his own planet to rule and Khan seems very happy with the arrangement. Though we are given a very good explanation for his descent into a revenge-crazed psychopath by Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (note the title!), what makes this strange is that when Kirk is told about Khan, he claims to already know that Khan is out for revenge and why. Which means either that the writers had forgotten that Kirk and Khan parted amicably, or that Kirk had set Khan up and for some reason Khan played along.
Morgan Wick: Light in Death Note spent approximately six seconds as a Well Intentioned Extremist before his priorities shifted to killing all who dared oppose him. Isn't this Jumping Off the Slippery Slope?
Ununnilium: Indeed it is.
Ununnilium: Pulling out:
(of course, since all his superiors were killed at the end of A New Hope, he no longer had to answer to anyone but the Emporer)
This doesn't really have much, if anything, to do with the example.
Binaroid: Personally, I'd disagree; Vader would have more freedom to handle Human Resources matters himself, his way, without needing to worry about keeping Tarkin happy anymore.
Marikina: About Magneto's motivation in the films, I've always interpreted his scheme in the first movie as forcing humans to live briefly as the very creatures they despise and fear, before eventually dying in a gruesome fashion. This would fit with his "kill the humans" mentality in the succeeding films.
Ununnilium: He seems genuinely surprised when he's told that Senator Kelly is dead, though. Note that he doesn't kill at any other time during the movie, even when it'd be useful.
Caswin: Yeah - it looked to me like his original plan was "force mutanthood on the world leaders and see how they like it then," and when it turned out that it would kill them instead, eh, sure, he'll take that.
Masami Phoenix: It seems to me that he didn't change so much as more was brought to the light. He always wanted mutant superiority, but absolutely refused to sacrifice himself for his cause (hence he kidnapped Rogue, dispite that had he done it himself, nobody would have known about it in time to stop him, but he'd be dead). This coincides with his later pawn speeches, as he adamantly (sorry, bad pun) insists that stopping the cure is worth dying over, but not worth him dying, presumably self-justified by the thought that he is needed to lead this new world order. I'm not saying he doesn't belong here, I'm just saying that it's probably more forgivable than most examples. Then again, betraying Mystique because she was shot with one of those darts was just a jerk thing to do, pure and simple.
Is it just me who considers the Vader situation (at least between New Hope and Empire) a Justified Trope? In New Hope, he's just doing his job. Whereas, come Empire, he's now got a personal stake in things, and is obsessively hunting down his son. If you include the prequels, it's pretty obvious that family is a major sore point for him...
Janitor This was getting natter-y ...
- This was done intentionally in Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni during the Meakashi arc. Shion starts out trying to prove that her family is behind the chain of murders (including her love interest) that occur every year. Okay. But how that translates into murdering her love interest's kid sister AND her own sister's love interest, among others, well, that's a puzzle for the ages.
- Well, to be fair, she was the embodiment of Oyashiro-sama's curse at the time. Or, as the second season tries to explain it as, had Hinamiza syndrome.
- I put in the original bullet, and just to defend myself quickly, I was fully aware of the added corollary, which is why I said the motive decay was "intentional."
About Davros: He wants to exterminate all of reality, except a small area around the Dalek mothership, so that the Daleks will be the only ones left and will be the supreme race by default. As the Supreme Dalek says "We will become the only lifeforms in existence!"
Bring The Noise: Cut all the pointless Natter about Gobby in the Spidey films.
- Does anyone think the following quote fits this (if so, maybe add it to the quotations page)?
- "Man's most enduring stupidity is forgetting what he is trying to do."-Friedrich Nietzsche
