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But it is a legendary epic because its fans think it is. Was Beowulf well written, not really, is Gilgamesh well written, not really, are many myths well written, not really, but they're still epic, because they're popular. Many stories aren't perfect, or even great, Lo TR has many, many dull and boring parts, but it is an epic. So I agree with your hypothesis that it isn't as deserving as of much praise as it gets, but it's an epic because it's so popular.

Really, no series could live up to "Harry Potter" levels of hype. In fact, considering popularity and quality so rarely go together, I think it's remarkable the books are as good as they are. Sure, they aren't perfect, but they're a long way from Lowest Common Denominator.

Well, no. It DID resurrect the more niche British Boarding School genre.

It's a great read, but it's obviously not great literature. There's a difference.

Popularity does not give a work epic status - scale gives a work epic status. Harry Potter is a lot more focused on the individual than say in Lord of The Rings were massive battles with thousands of men occur often.

The thing is, while it's a fun read overall, it's not particularly deep. It embraces its genre, but doesn't do much particularly revolutionary with it.

<I'm sorry, I had to delete this comment. It had nothing to do with the review and frankly sounded like a troll. If you're going to spout conspiracy theories about how Harry Potter is - what was it, Calvinist? - at least put some reasoning into it, please.>

Hahaha wow. I must agree with Shrikesnest. I agree that I didn't read the book because of the hype, but after reading the series, it deserves the hype it gets. Unlike Twilight which is regarded as the fandom successor of Harry Potter....it definitly isn't (I mean people compare that book to Romeo and Juliet) There are a lot of deep and complex themes and elements in the story. It is a classic despite what others may think. Consider this, did people think that Shakesphere's stories were classics....NO!..at the time they were regarded as pieces of POP CULTURE just as Harry Potter is today. If nothing else, Harry Potter has influenced many children to become avid readers in this video game driven society.

My biggest complaint with HP is much like the OP's. A noticeable drop in quality and definite change in tone in the last two books. I do chalk it up to Rowling being a victim of her success. She forced the last books out, with full knowledge they would further her millions, and didn't edit them as much as they should have been.

Wow. It is amazing that people can accuse me of saying based on nothing.

I said: 1: The books are good, not brilliant. 2: The story is interesting, but overhyped. 3: The later books are bloatd.

I did not say: 1: It was written differently to the classics (it is, but as you said that is irrelevent) 2: It is bad (it isnt.)

I did not bring up Shakespear but seeing as you did:

I know full well that Shakespear was viewed as POP CULTURE and that people did not call them classics, but many HP fans have declared them instantanious classics and the idea that JK can come near WS is hillarious to me, much of his strength was the weakness I accused JK of, his plays and prose are tight and punchy, her later books are bloated and have some disapointing gaps in the plot and logic.

I never even mentioned Twilight, I never would.

Wasn't the technology thing covered in Goblet of Fire? Having magic around causes electronics to stop working.

They do explain why the wizarding world is kept secret: some statute created in the 17th century  ^*

Alright, normally, I wouldn't have gotten involved, but... I have to ask. Shakespeare's prose was tight and punchy?

Good is relative to everything else. I don't think there are any things in literary fiction that can be considered legendary epics.

Funny thing is, Harry Potter CAN be seen as an expression of Calvinist theology. (someone deleted a comment about that earlier.) There's a Sorting Hat that splits you into one of four Houses, and we all know Gryffindor is the best and Slytherin is for the creepy people. Sounds like Gryffindor is The Elect in Calvinist theology.

I'm NOT saying that Rowling did this on purpose. But it could be read that way.

I love the awkward levels of xenophobia in the books, some of it is intentional but some makes no bleeding sense. I mean, most of the Wizards use the Hogwarts train and that's a Muggle invention, they use the wireless and that's ours as well, clocks? jep, elevators? us again, even the flushing toilet. Obviously it's not just the weird guys like Mr Weasley who love 'lame boring us' who make use of our things, or is Rowling so high an mighty that she's trying to say that they invented all of our things and we nicked it?

How is saying that high and mighty? She doesn't pretend Harry Potter is anything more than a book series. I think the idea was that Wizards saw what the Muggles were attempting to revolutionize and magic helped them make it loads more efficient for themselves. Besides, who's to say that their stuff isn't magic anyway? The train probably has a few things of its own, the toilets (though maybe not considering they can get clogged...), and they have elevators that go sideways. Muggles are interesting to Arthur because he's probably curious how they accomplished so much WITHOUT magic.

Didn't they say something to the effect of "Muggle technology gets a bit wonky and useless when wizards and magic are about"? Or was that just fanon?

It's canon that Muggle tech doesn't work around Hogwarts (I can't remember which book or which gadget, but Hermione said as much at some point), but I can't remember the justification given.

@Beypndnor : Obviously the train has some things in it that make it magical (invisible to Muggles, for one) as did the Weasley car but it still doesn't change the fact that it's a train - a piece of Muggle technology. If it was something that happened to accidentally look like a train but worked differently then it would have been called something else and Harry would go, when first introduced to it, "Oh, so this is the thingie, looks a lot like a train though,"

How is it high ad mighty you ask? It's looking down on humans because not only are we silly little things that don't understand anything, now it comes out the wonderful Wizards also have to provide us with every single bit of technology. Muggles aren't shown in the best of lights to begin with and now this. Remember when 'Twilight' had the audacity to use a real Baroque painter in it's cannon and what a wave of protests rose among the antis? Well, this is much more worse. It is a sad day when a piece considerably better literature fails where a girl-porno-in-denial manages to restrain itself.

Also, most of the things I have quarrel with (fuck chess, it's an old game, it was before they had proper laws about fraternizing with common folk) are recent inventions, how did the purity-obsessed elites not revolt at a sudden wave of Muggle things? Most of the purists are not really the reasonable kind so explaining to them that plumbing will make it more convenient wouldn't have worked. Really, if I now start to think about it then the only way to introduce such large quantities of Muggle things into the Wizard community at once would be via a bloody revolt.

@Wulf : can't say, maybe I was on the non-magical toilet when that happened. There was a statement that technology doesn't work in Hogwarts but that starts the unfortunate debate about what is technology.

@gerjan Is "overthinking" actually a word? If it is, then that's what you're doing. If it isn't, then you're nitpicking.

Quite possibly it's both :)

re: overthinking

I'd say that's exactly what gerjan's doing, and furthermore, I'd say it's not that terribly big a deal.

I agree. Gerjan, logical loopholes in the Harry Potter universe do not decrease the quality of the stories themselves. JK Rowling intended to write an expansive fantasy series, not a hypothetical wizard society that could, in theory, exist.