YMMV DMC Devil May Cry Discussion

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08:22:39 AM Dec 22nd 2013
I wasn't sure if I should have made it What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? or Writer on Board; Tameem seems kind of like he really believes in the whole anarchy thing and is really into the whole punk scene, but he's never outright said it and Writer on Board isn't a YMMV trope.

Also, I expanded on some other YMMV tropes now that the game has been out a while, and tried to elaborate more specifically on why the base is so broken over it from what I've observed on message boards.
10:02:05 PM Sep 3rd 2013
Cutscene Incompetence is not a YMMV trope.
10:43:28 AM Mar 7th 2013
Whenever it is possible to edit the page again, I would proposed adding a new trope to the YMMV page: Fridge Brilliance.

Fridge Brilliance: Dm C: Devil May Cry was confirmed to take place in an alternate universe (eventually) from that of the games in the original continuity. Interestingly enough, in Devil May Cry Volume 2 (which takes place prior to the events of Devil May Cry 2 in the 0riginal continuity), features interdimensional travel between parallel universes as an important Plot Device. Bonus Points for the fact that the primary alternate universe that Dante is in for most of the Novel is one where Mundus DOES rule the human world. Strange fate. Isn't it?
11:25:26 AM Jul 31st 2013
12:33:11 PM Feb 26th 2013
This is still locked?
11:18:22 PM Mar 1st 2013
Well the fighting is still going and they're taking it out on the Metal Gear fans. XD
04:52:57 AM Jan 19th 2013
Another one I call into question is Rooting for the Empire. It's rather bias and naive to claim Mundus had good reasons for ruling humanity when all we have is his and Vergil's word for why humans needed to be commanded. Sure, if you believe him, support him. But let's face it, the guy is Dm C's Satan. There's no real hard evidence to suggest he is doing the right thing.
05:18:41 PM Jan 19th 2013
edited by Cyphr
You did see the demnos going berserk on the humans at the end when both worlds merge right?
06:51:58 AM Jan 29th 2013
If you're trying to make a point, I'm afraid I don't get it. Are you saying that the Demons attacking the humans in the merged world somehow supports Mundus's claims? If so, how? And if not, what are you actually trying to say?
02:58:43 PM Feb 9th 2013
I think the point is that when Mundas was in control the demons weren't opening preying on mankind, and that through The Masquerade humans were prospering by never being threatened by extinction.

Honestly the world seemed much better off without Limbo and Reality fused together, and apparently Mundas was the one who imposed that division through the Hell Gate.

Apart from the dudes suffering in Barba's prison and Munda's office, life before Dante came along seemed fairly cushy.

There's also the fact that, to some players, the protagonists are completely insufferable, and toiling under a demon god is preferable when compared to putting up with them.
02:45:12 PM Jan 17th 2013
Whoever insists about the old fanbase being elitist because the game is too easy needs to stop. That proves the statement above about not looking at the other side of the argument and dismissing the complaints. This is going to cause an editing war and needs to stop or the page will be locked.

Seriously, there's one thing of the YMMV page to be negative but it's just as bias to insinuate that the fanbase that claims the game to be too easy are a bunch of elitist. Keep it neutral at least instead of trying to make it all positive and bash the "haters".
03:30:07 AM Jan 17th 2013
Does Mundus really belong in "Designated Villain"? I mean, I know this is a YMMV sub-section so of course opinions will vary, but the guy murdered Dante's and Vergil's mother in cold blood then for extra punishment, he imprisoned Sparda for eternity without hope for rescue to suffer an endless torment. To make matters worse, once he located Dante, he's either been torturing the boy or tried to kill him. All because he believed his lieutenant betrayed him when he fell for an angel. Not to mention, the goal was less about saving humanity and more about personal vengeance against the demon lord for what he did to both Dante and Vergil.

Just giving my two cents, wondering if it really fits him regardless.
10:30:17 AM Jan 17th 2013
edited by fanboymaser
There was a lot of willful misinterpretation of character motives on the page. Most notably it seems someone was determined to argue that Dante was as complicit as Vergil in killing Lilith and her child when his first reaction after ensuring Kat and Vergil's safety is to yell at Vergil about it. This sort of falls in the same category, the only way to have a sympathetic reading of Mundus is to take his rant before Dante has sufficiently pissed him off completely at face value, something we're never given any real reason to do. While there's more freedom in a YMMV page, there were a lot of entries that were syptomatic of an attempt to read the story as negatively as possible.
02:25:08 PM Jan 17th 2013
Exactly my problem with the entry. I felt it was just trying to read the protagonists (and possibly the game) in a negative light so we feel uncomfortable about playing it. The morals aren't black and white, that much is certain. And while Mundus may be keeping humanity on a stable path, someone neglected to mention he's also subjecting humanity to total domination against their will without them realizing it, all as a means of having a cattle of souls to harvest for his personal pleasure.

I honestly feel this page needs a thorough sweep of the suggestively biased entries till the fanbase cools down. As you said, there's a lot of negativity going around.
03:05:50 PM Feb 9th 2013
Surely then entries which have the perspective that Mundas was in the right to a degree simply need a little bit of editing to represent both perspectives without needing outright deletion?

Just because an entry doesn't represent your perspective doesn't give you the right to destroy it.

We must endeavour to be as even handed as possible without lashing out.
05:20:59 PM Jan 18th 2015
Mundus is not in the right. He's a tyrannical, vicious dictator. There's no way to present him as anything else without actively misinterpreting the content. Certainly collapsing the boundary between Limbo and the real world is going to result in immediate chaos, but the demons were preying on humans long before that. Now they're exposed, and there had to be a reason they kept themselves hidden.

In addition, the idea that everything Vergil does he did with Dante's full knowledge and approval is not supported, anywhere. Dante chews out Vergil often, starting with when SWAT is breaking into the server room. Dante's initial surliness isn't a good reason to act as though he's a complete bastard; Vergil's supportive treatment of Dante (his brother, his fellow Nephilim) isn't a good reason to act as though he's a really caring person in general. And if you don't like the game, that's fine, but there's no reason to try convincing anyone that they shouldn't like the game (or the characters). That's not what the wiki's about, remember?
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