History YMMV / DMCDevilMayCry

16th Aug '17 1:52:18 AM Doctor_Doom
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** Also for Poison being rude at Dante.
-->'''Poison''': You disgusting fuck-child! I'm going to pull off your arms, piss down your neck and shit on your worthless carcass!
16th Aug '17 1:48:42 AM Doctor_Doom
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** The Lock-On, Devil Trigger, and Style System, among other general gameplay changes, would then go on to be fixed in the Definitive Edition, along with a complete rebalance of the game via Hardcore Mode. This was done to encourage sales of the game among the older fans who they insulted durimg this game's promotion.

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** The Lock-On, Devil Trigger, and Style System, among other general gameplay changes, would then go on to be fixed in the Definitive Edition, along with a complete rebalance of the game via Hardcore Mode. This was done to encourage sales of the game among the older fans who they insulted durimg during this game's promotion.
16th Aug '17 1:47:48 AM Doctor_Doom
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** The Lock-On, Devil Trigger, and Style System, among other general gameplay changes, would then go on to be fixed in the Definitive Edition, along with a complete rebalance of the game via Hardcore Mode. This was most likely done to encourage sales of the game among older fans who didn't buy the seventh generation version.

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** The Lock-On, Devil Trigger, and Style System, among other general gameplay changes, would then go on to be fixed in the Definitive Edition, along with a complete rebalance of the game via Hardcore Mode. This was most likely done to encourage sales of the game among the older fans who didn't buy the seventh generation version.they insulted durimg this game's promotion.
16th Aug '17 1:44:18 AM Doctor_Doom
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** Thanks to MemeticMutation, Dante and Succubus' trashtalk approaches NarmCharm territory.

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** Thanks to MemeticMutation, Dante and Succubus' trashtalk approaches NarmCharm territory.trashtalk, which devolves into playground-style exchanges.
16th Aug '17 1:37:00 AM Doctor_Doom
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** The exchange between Dante and a demon, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc5f-jm-O44 as seen here]], has become popular for how [[LargeHam over-the-top]] it seems.

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** The exchange between Dante and a demon, Poison, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc5f-jm-O44 as seen here]], has become popular became memetic during its first showing for how [[LargeHam over-the-top]] it seems.childish the dialogue was.
5th Aug '17 4:40:13 PM Luigifan
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: While there is no debate that Mundus is [[CardCarryingVillain an asshole]], but there has been some debate as to the degree of his villainy. Some regard him as being NecessarilyEvil, but nonetheless a Selfish Neutral seeking to profit from his scheme because of Humanity's [[HumansAreBastards inherent]] [[HumansAreMorons nature]], while others see him as only barely avoiding being pure evil (with using humans as livestock) by way of PragmaticVillainy. The [[BlackAndGrayMorality black and gray]] nature of the game makes it all the more contentious an issue.
* AntiClimaxBoss: If you play your cards right, [[spoiler: Vergil]] is probably the easiest of the lot; only his PuzzleBoss section at the end may throw newbies, otherwise he goes down far too quickly to really pose a challenge, even at the higher difficulties.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: While there is no debate that Mundus is [[CardCarryingVillain an asshole]], but there has been some debate as to the degree of his villainy. Some regard him as being NecessarilyEvil, but nonetheless a Selfish Neutral seeking to profit from his scheme because of Humanity's [[HumansAreBastards inherent]] [[HumansAreMorons nature]], while others see him as only barely avoiding being pure evil (with using humans as livestock) by way of PragmaticVillainy. The [[BlackAndGrayMorality black and gray]] nature of the game makes it all the more contentious an issue.
* AntiClimaxBoss: If you play your cards right, [[spoiler: Vergil]] [[spoiler:Vergil]] is probably the easiest boss of the lot; only his PuzzleBoss section at the end may throw newbies, otherwise he goes down far too quickly to really pose a challenge, even at the higher difficulties.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: The new character designs and backstories of Dante, Vergil and Mundus. Fans either like the change of pace or absolutely despise it.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The new character designs and backstories of Dante, Vergil Vergil, and Mundus. Fans either like the change of pace or absolutely despise it.



* BrokenBase: Fans are either glad to see a reboot for the series, or hate every last thing that's been changed. Compounded by the fact that a ''lot'' of the reboot's fans openly dislike or even hate the original series and characters, especially when it comes to the original Dante's bombastic persona. This [[CriticalDissonance extends to the critics]]. It's not just that the reboot broke the base, it's that the reboot attracted [[FanHater Fan Haters]] with ''very'' different tastes and sensibilities who otherwise would never bother with the franchise.

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* BrokenBase: Fans are either glad to see a reboot for the series, or [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks hate every last thing that's been changed.changed]]. Compounded by the fact that a ''lot'' of the reboot's fans openly dislike or even hate the original series and characters, especially when it comes to the original Dante's bombastic persona. This [[CriticalDissonance extends to the critics]]. It's not just that the reboot broke the base, it's that the reboot attracted [[FanHater Fan Haters]] with ''very'' different tastes and sensibilities who otherwise would never bother with the franchise.



** Critics have generally been very positive about the game, while some fans of the previous ''Devil May Cry'' games did not like the changes made (particularly the characterization of Dante and Vergil) The [[http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dmc-devil-may-cry metacritic score]] says it all.
** The reverse happened with the ''Vergil's Downfall'' DLC; old school fans liked it more than the main game for being closer to the franchise's roots in terms of difficulty and gameplay, but some critics bashed it for those same reasons, which just goes to show how different the tastes of these two groups are and how polarizing the game is.

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** Critics have generally been very positive about the game, while some fans of the previous ''Devil May Cry'' games did not like the changes made (particularly the characterization of Dante and Vergil) Vergil). The [[http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dmc-devil-may-cry metacritic score]] says it all.
** The reverse happened with the ''Vergil's Downfall'' DLC; old school old-school fans liked it more than the main game for being closer to the franchise's roots in terms of difficulty and gameplay, but some critics bashed it for those same reasons, which just goes to show how different the tastes of these two groups are and how polarizing the game is.



* DesignatedVillain: [[BrokenBase Some]] [[DracoInLeatherPants see Mundus this way]] - banishing Sparda forever and ripping out Eva's heart before eating it may have been a horrible fates to inflict, but they were a blood-brother-turned-traitor and a sworn racial enemy, respectively. And doesn't he have a right to be angry when Dante taunts him over the death of his child? What makes it divisive was that he did all this right in front of Dante while he was a small child.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Mundus is a major recipient of this. Some genuinely believe that humans are better off with his rule than without, completely ignoring the fact that humans were being burnt alive, locked in eternal thought-prisons, slowly poisoned, and casually massacred by him - purely because Dante is initially kind of a jerk. Not to mention brutally murdering Dante's mother right in front of him.

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* DesignatedVillain: [[BrokenBase Some]] [[DracoInLeatherPants see Mundus this way]] - -- banishing Sparda forever and ripping out Eva's heart before eating it may have been a horrible fates to inflict, but they were a blood-brother-turned-traitor and a sworn racial enemy, respectively. And doesn't he have a right to be angry when Dante taunts him over the death of his child? What makes it divisive was that he did all this right in front of Dante while he was a small child.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Mundus is a major recipient of this. Some genuinely believe that humans are better off with his rule than without, completely ignoring the fact that humans were being burnt alive, locked in eternal thought-prisons, slowly poisoned, and casually massacred by him - -- purely because Dante is initially kind of a jerk. Not to mention brutally murdering Dante's mother right in front of him.



** Phineas, for being an example of a kindhearted demon, which was a major theme of the original series.
** Drekavac also has also received positive appraisal in spite of only being a [[RecurringBoss recurring]] [[KingMook mini-boss]] who has no lines, no backstory and no characterization.

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** Phineas, for being an example of a kindhearted kind-hearted demon, which was a major theme of the original series.
** Drekavac also has also received positive appraisal in spite of only being a [[RecurringBoss recurring]] [[KingMook mini-boss]] who has no lines, no backstory backstory, and no characterization.



** In general, Aquila can do this if utilised properly; Using Y, Y, pause, Y, can bring a lot of enemies close to uou, then hold Y for a spin attack that a) does wonders for you combo scores and b) stun locks most of the enemies at any given moment, reducing any damage that can potentially come your way. You can steer it so you can pick up more, and depending on environment and enemy in question, allows for easy ring outs (a OneHitKill for non teleporters. Witches and Dreamrunners are resistant to the trick for that reason; it ''can'' work, it's just not very reliable).

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** In general, Aquila can do this if utilised properly; Using Y, Y, pause, Y, can bring a lot of enemies close to uou, you, then hold Y for a spin attack that a) does wonders for you combo scores and b) stun locks most of the enemies at any given moment, reducing any damage that can potentially come your way. You can steer it so you can pick up more, and depending on environment and enemy in question, allows for easy ring outs (a OneHitKill for non teleporters. Witches and Dreamrunners are resistant to the trick for that reason; it ''can'' work, it's just not very reliable).



** The Capcom USA producer for this game, which is basically ''[[Franchise/DevilMayCry DMC]]'' [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/TheyLive'', goes by the name of Alex Jones which is coincidentally the [[NamesTheSame same name]] of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host) another individual]].
** In ''Anime/DevilMayCryTheAnimatedSeries'', which came out in 2007, Dante was frustrated having to deal with debt he owed while operating the Devil May Cry Detective Agency. In this game, debt is the method that Mundus uses to keep people ranging from average citizens all the way to Heads of state under his control.
** This Continuity's iteration of Vergil, voiced and motioned captured by David de Lautour, is part angel. Back in nineties on Series/XenaWarriorPrincess, de Lautour played an angel.

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** The Capcom USA producer for this game, which is basically ''[[Franchise/DevilMayCry DMC]]'' [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/TheyLive'', goes by the name of Alex Jones Jones, which is coincidentally the [[NamesTheSame same name]] of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host) another individual]].
** In ''Anime/DevilMayCryTheAnimatedSeries'', which came out in 2007, Dante was frustrated having to deal with debt he owed while operating the Devil May Cry Detective Agency. In this game, debt is the method that Mundus uses to keep people ranging from average citizens all the way to Heads of state State under his control.
** This Continuity's iteration of Vergil, voiced and motioned motion captured by David de Lautour, is part angel. Back in the nineties on Series/XenaWarriorPrincess, de Lautour played an angel.



* JerkassWoobie: While Dante is a brash hedonistic Jerkass, his life has genuinely sucked compared with Vergil's. He lost his parents when he was seven, was raised in an orphanage run by demons, chased by and battling them for years without a clue why using powers he doesn't understand, and to top it all off, no one knows about his struggles with the demons only he can see or do anything about. He was told that he was delusional, and questioned his own stability after some particularly bloody battles. Hell, in one of his flashbacks, he's shown ''tearing open his own chest'' to make sure he had a heart.

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* JerkassWoobie: While Dante is a brash hedonistic Jerkass, {{Jerkass}}, his life has genuinely sucked compared with Vergil's. He lost his parents when he was seven, was raised in an orphanage run by demons, chased by and battling them for years without a clue why using powers he doesn't understand, and to top it all off, no one knows about his struggles with the demons only he can see or do anything about. He was told that he was delusional, and questioned his own stability after some particularly bloody battles. Hell, in one of his flashbacks, he's shown ''tearing open his own chest'' to make sure he had a heart.



** After a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmkhJZAxBX4 video]] on Youtube discussed this game and compared the storytelling to Shakespeare, [[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bSgQzIs3Zk SSShakespearen]] parodies surfaced immediately. (Compare with an ''actual'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k Shakespearen spoof]] in Devil May Cry 4.)

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** After a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmkhJZAxBX4 video]] on Youtube discussed this game and compared the storytelling to Shakespeare, [[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bSgQzIs3Zk SSShakespearen]] Shakespearen]] parodies surfaced immediately. (Compare with an ''actual'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k Shakespearen spoof]] in Devil ''Devil May Cry 4.4''.)



* ObviousJudas: Fans that played previous games knew that [[spoiler: Vergil]] would ultimately betray Dante.

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* ObviousJudas: Fans that played previous games knew that [[spoiler: Vergil]] [[spoiler:Vergil]] would ultimately betray Dante.



** One detail of [=DmC=] Vergil's personality that has been noted/criticized is him belittling humans as being as [[HumansAreMorons stupid]], [[HumansAreBastards murderous]] hypocrites. Despite claims that this is a distortion of his character, Vergil being a misanthrope was very much an aspect of his classic iteration in ''Devil May Cry 3'' - there was a reason he and Dante weren't on the same side. It was, then as now, a contrast with his [[KnightInSourArmor brother]], who had an [[RousseauWasRight optimistic view of humanity]] and opposed Vergil's [[JadeColoredGlasses hierarchical]] "{{might|MakesRight}} [[TheSocialDarwinist controls everything]]" [[ByronicHero ideo]][[{{Ubermensch}} logy]].

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** One detail of [=DmC=] Vergil's personality that has been noted/criticized is him belittling humans as being as [[HumansAreMorons stupid]], [[HumansAreBastards murderous]] hypocrites. Despite claims that this is a distortion of his character, Vergil being a misanthrope was very much an aspect of his classic iteration in ''Devil May Cry 3'' - -- there was a reason he and Dante weren't on the same side. It was, then as now, a contrast with his [[KnightInSourArmor brother]], who had an [[RousseauWasRight optimistic view of humanity]] and opposed Vergil's [[JadeColoredGlasses hierarchical]] "{{might|MakesRight}} [[TheSocialDarwinist controls everything]]" [[ByronicHero ideo]][[{{Ubermensch}} logy]].



** In regards to Poison the Succubus, there are several people who don't realize that succubi ala [[VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}} Morrigan Aensland]] are a [[NewerThanTheyThink recent invention]]. In the original myths and medieval demonology texts, they were hideous beings that used {{Glamour}} to appear as [[EnthrallingSiren beautiful women]] to seduce men in their sleep—thus, an accurate Succubus.

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** In regards to Poison the Succubus, there are several people who don't realize that succubi ala [[VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}} Morrigan Aensland]] are a [[NewerThanTheyThink recent invention]]. In the original myths and medieval demonology texts, they were hideous beings that used {{Glamour}} to appear as [[EnthrallingSiren beautiful women]] to seduce men in their sleep—thus, sleep — thus, an accurate Succubus.



* PlayerPunch: [[spoiler:At the end of Mission 12, Dante is desperate to help Kat, who is on the verge of being captured by Mundus's SWAT forces and is terrified. With Dante on the other side in Limbo, all he can do is give Kat some instruction on how to seem non-threatening when the SWAT team breaks through the door. But as soon as they do they shoot her anyway on sight (albeit nonlethally, although they enact some police brutality for good measure), leaving Dante to curse his inability to do anything in his current state]].

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* PlayerPunch: [[spoiler:At the end of Mission 12, Dante is desperate to help Kat, who is on the verge of being captured by Mundus's SWAT forces and is terrified. With Dante on the other side in Limbo, all he can do is give Kat some instruction on how to seem non-threatening when the SWAT team breaks through the door. But as soon as they do do, they shoot her anyway on sight (albeit nonlethally, although they enact some police brutality {{police brutality}} for good measure), leaving Dante to curse his inability to do anything in his current state]].



** A good number of people found that the Demon Weapon/Angel Weapon system was almost completely unnecessary. There aren't any heavy Angel weapons or light Demon weapons which wouldn't be a problem except that the game's combat favors heavy weapons a lot -- the Arbiter pretty much blows away every other weapon in the game, so you only ever pull out an Angel weapon for the stuff that absolutely requires them.

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** A good number of people found that the Demon Weapon/Angel Weapon system was almost completely unnecessary. There aren't any heavy Angel weapons or light Demon weapons weapons, which wouldn't be a problem except that the game's combat favors heavy weapons a lot -- the Arbiter pretty much blows away every other weapon in the game, so you only ever pull out an Angel weapon for the stuff that absolutely requires them.



* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Poor Kat seems to get thrown into the [[Manga/YuYuHakusho Keiko]] and [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Yuki]] club by the haters utterly ignoring the fact that she endured similar torments to Dante but without his supernatural resilience and [[spoiler: successfully holds out under Mundus's torture to protect Dante and Vergil, then goes on to give them a detailed interior plan of the building she was held in after her rescue as well as specifics of how to get around security.]]

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Poor Kat seems to get thrown into the [[Manga/YuYuHakusho Keiko]] and [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Yuki]] club by the haters haters, utterly ignoring the fact that she endured similar torments to Dante but without his supernatural resilience and [[spoiler: successfully [[spoiler:successfully holds out under Mundus's torture to protect Dante and Vergil, then goes on to give them a detailed interior plan of the building she was held in after her rescue as well as specifics of how to get around security.]]
31st Jul '17 3:11:16 AM Doctor_Doom
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** Poison the Succubus became one because she is a 12,000 year old succubus who is very ugly and [[SirSwearsALot speaks very foul compared to Dante]].
23rd Jul '17 6:41:40 PM nombretomado
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** The Capcom USA producer for this game, which is basically ''[[Franchise/DevilMayCry DMC]]'' [[XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/TheyLive'', goes by the name of Alex Jones which is coincidentally the [[NamesTheSame same name]] of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host) another individual]].

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** The Capcom USA producer for this game, which is basically ''[[Franchise/DevilMayCry DMC]]'' [[XMeetsY [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/TheyLive'', goes by the name of Alex Jones which is coincidentally the [[NamesTheSame same name]] of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host) another individual]].
7th Jun '17 1:13:58 PM Hello83433
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* ObviousJudus: Fans that played previous games knew that [[spoiler: Vergil]] would ultimately betray Dante.

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* ObviousJudus: ObviousJudas: Fans that played previous games knew that [[spoiler: Vergil]] would ultimately betray Dante.
7th Jun '17 1:13:03 PM Hello83433
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* ObviousJudus: Fans that played previous games knew that [[spoiler: Vergil]] would ultimately betray Dante.
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