Western Animation The Incredibles Discussion

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05:20:27 PM Feb 2nd 2018
edited by gjjones
Hello. I was under the impression of removing spoiler tags from the page as with the character sheet now that the film has been out for some time. However, it was made without a proper consensus and as per rva98014's suggestion, I'm opening a discussion here to get feedback.

Given that, as well as the upcoming release of Incredibles 2 and the fact that Syndrome is Buddy has been known for quite sometime, I'm thinking that we should get a proper consensus from others.

Thoughts or objections?
05:41:14 PM Feb 2nd 2018
I agree. The movie's been out for 14 years now, so the plot is pretty well known and the Syndrome/Buddy twist isn't really a surprise anymore. There's not much point hiding huge portions of example text behind spoiler tags anymore.
04:23:00 PM Feb 6th 2018
As there's been no further input on this issue for 4 days, now moving ahead to remove the spoiler tags from the main page. It will contain a warning at the top of the page to let the reader know there are unmarked spoilers ahead.
01:21:06 PM Mar 19th 2014
So, question on Hollywood Law: When were the Good Samaritan laws largely passed? Keep in mind that the film takes place in a fantastical version of the 50s and 60s, not the modern day. If the laws were passed more recently, then it doesn't apply to the trope.
07:07:14 PM Aug 6th 2013
I already explained this in the edit reason page, but we can talk about it here if anyone wants—multple references were made in the page to the idea that the Omnidroid was questioning its orders or rebelling against Syndrome. I do not recall anything in the movie indicating that the Omnidroid knows who Syndrome is or knows that it is receiving orders—for that matter, nowhere in the movie is Syndrome shown to be giving the Omnidroid orders. What happens is that after Syndrome s doing his hero routine, the Omnidroid, which is intelligent, sees the controller and realizes that the controller is being used against him. So the Omnidroid takes action, separating Syndrome from the controller. Nowhere during the action does rebellion as such factor into it. So I removed those references from the trope page. Does anyone know of anywhere in the movie that indcates the Omnidroid knows who Syndrome is, or anywhere in the movie where Syndrome is giving the Omnidroid orders?
02:56:44 PM Oct 30th 2012
edited by SilentSanctuary
Just by the way, I noticed that in some versions in the computer scene, the images of the dead supers had a red "terminated" text, but in some other versions the images had only a diagonal red line going across them, with the "terminated" text remaining only in Mr. Incredible's profile. Could this be put in somewhere?
12:57:36 PM Apr 11th 2012
It seems in the move of moving The Incredibles from "Main" to "Western Animation", someone forgot to move the reviews. Here are the two that were there, me own and Purple Dalek: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/reviews.php?target_group=Main&target_title=TheIncredibles#6381
09:03:07 AM May 16th 2011
Just cleaned up the Headscratcher's Page with folders. Because folders make everything better. That was a lot of work, but hopefully I didn't lose anything.
01:37:56 PM Jan 31st 2011
edited by Aubri
I changed the text on "Just Plane Wrong". "Buddy Spike" was actually used more or less correctly in context, though normally it is a reply to another aircraft's request. For example, suppose Viper 8 detects a target with his radar. He calls, "Viper 8, raygun  *, bullseye  * 190  * for 80  *." Viper 12 realizes he is in that location and replies, "Viper 12, buddy spike." Once the missiles are in flight it would probably be more correct to report "bittersweet" or "blue-on-blue", but assuming they are radar-guided missiles, "buddy spike" is appropriate. (...of course, she tried to spoof them with infrared flares, but whatever.)

02:02:12 PM Dec 25th 2012
If it's something like a Bendix countermeasure dispenser, it's probable that chaff and flares are deployed in equal proportions. Helen only had to hit a countermeaure release button to start an auto-sequence..

02:05:21 PM Dec 25th 2012
BBC 3 are airing - looks like chaff and flares ARE actuated together.

11:31:23 PM Jan 7th 2011
I've been trying to figure out what's going on with the music in the trailers - not the OHMSS riff, everyone knows about that and the movie itself constantly comes as close to using it as it can without inviting a lawsuit, but...there's this other theme that never appears in the movie. I thought it was John Barry's early work on the film before he decided he didn't want to retread old ground (for him), but now I have no idea. Can anyone else shed some light on this?
06:29:24 PM Sep 15th 2010
Crowning Moment of Funny links to the Film page for C Mo F, but The Incredibles don't appear to be on that page.
11:44:50 PM Sep 14th 2010
It mentions that Affair Hair is parodied and played straight. I can see how it's played straight, but how is it parodied?
12:12:25 AM Sep 15th 2010
I think it refers to the scene after Bob runs through a burning building, and Helen discovers some burnt wood or something on his shoulder.
05:52:26 AM Sep 17th 2013
Agreed - her line "Is this... rubble?" is delivered in the same type of cadence..

05:03:41 PM Aug 19th 2010
Spoiler inconsistencies are pretty intense in this article. Both Mirage's High-Heel–Face Turn and Buddy growing up to be Syndrome are shown multiple times in either state. Can we reach a consensus here about which should be which?
10:35:56 PM Jun 26th 2010
edited by Peteman
Cut this natterfest:

  • People also point to Syndrome's speech about how "when everyone is super...no one will be" as a sign of Objectivist content. But let's not forget that the character delivering this point of view is a homicidal madman.
    • So the Spear Counterpart to Ayn Rand then?
    • That's the point. Syndrome's goal was to make the supers obsolete by putting everybody on the same playing field. In other words, Syndrome was a communist. To be a good guy, according to the movie, you have to be born great - you can't earn or buy it.
and added...
  • No, Syndrome's goal was to glorify himself. He engineered disasters that only he could fix instead of stopping real ones like floods and famines. He manipulated people's altruism and murdered them so he could act out an elaborate revenge fantasy on a guy that justifiably spurned him 15 years prior, rather than dealing with it, or God forbid, spiting Mr. Incredible by using that intellect to out-help him by aiding millions with advanced technology, preventing countless disasters instead of reacting to them. And eventually making everyone super was to spite the supers and Mr. Incredible in particular, not for any altruistic reasons. He would have waited decades to do so ("And when I'm old and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions...") It is not about being born great. It's about using your greatness responsibly.
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